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I'm pretty sure that's what she said, lol... | ||
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I just caught up with the thread. A few things: - Snarf/Marv's plan to use all of our time to get a majority before dueling seems like the best and most logical path of action. No complaints there. - Yamato, easy on the trigger amigo. I can see some merit to what you are saying, though. It might be very beneficial for the town to have someone like you who is willing to duel in order to prove alignment, as long as you follow the general town consensus. Could help to keep everyone honest... ...On the other hand, you might be mafia... in which case having you as a baseline enforcer would only result in towny deaths. Until you get cleared somehow, I think we should stick with the plan to just take our time. - Corazon: I don't know you, therefore I don't not like you! <3 Not sure why marv is putting doubt on you already, but I generally trust him. Is there something about you I should know? | ||
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On February 25 2013 10:06 Adam4167 wrote: This started 30 minutes after i went to bed, bleh =( I agree with Yamato, If i see scum, i'll make my case and duel them. Forcing two other people to duel at your behest is weak - man up, take responsibility for your reads. Dieno, your opening post was quite bad. You seem to be trying to make friends with and please everyone, while saying absolutely nothing of value. Step it up or get dueled tomorrow. How was my opening post bad lol. I said hello, gave my stance on the things being discussed at the moment (there wasnt much happening). I am a friendly guy, you should know this from our previous games. I was trying to get more info on someone I didnt know before I formed an opinion on them. However, you implying you want to duel with your first post seems way sketchy. No discussion, no case, just PLAY BETTER OR DIE lol | ||
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At the time there were like three people posting, one of which wanted to duel. The general consensus wasn't exactly agreed on when I wrote that. (Is it even agreed on now?) I was simply throwing my weight behind the plan to use our time to think things through. You tell yamato to stop acting how he's acting, yet you can see the merit of how hes acting, then you waffle a couple of sentences about him being either alignment, then conclude with 'just do what everyone else is doing'. It says literally nothing of value. Because his alignment is unknown right now, I wanted him to not be so hasty in his decision to duel so we dont accidentally shoot a towny. Then I proposed the idea that we shouldn't use duels as a second lynch until someone has been absolutely confirmed town. He has backed off a little bit since all this was written, so whatever, it's moot now. However, I still think my idea is sound. If you disagree, please explain why. Here you buddy Corazon, saying you are unsure why marv is doing what hes doing, but you generally trust marv, but you don't state if you're trusting him THIS TIME and agree with his read on Corazon or whether you disagree as you hinted at in the beginning. Again, this is just a nothing paragraph. Just me being friendly. Would you have been happy if I just followed suit and jumped on the anti Corazon bandwagon? And it wasn't a nothing paragraph... I was asking for someone (anyone) to volunteer more info. How does anything you say accomplish information extraction as you say? "Is there something about you I should know?" is about as vague as anything you could post and it went completely ignored as a result. I didn't imply I wanted to duel, I specifically stated it. You deem it 'way sketchy'. Is that scummy? if you think its scummy, then call it what it is. Its not 'PLAY BETTER OR DIE' its 'you have less than 24 hours to change my mind, or we duel'. Information is power in this game, so I didn't really expect a detailed answer to my question. I went fishing and came up empty, big deal. I'll continue fishing until I get a bite. As for changing your mind, I have a feeling that no matter what I say you are still going to be gunning for me. Yes, I think you pushing for a instant duel with your first post is super scummy, especially when we have more than enough time to deliberate and come to a general consensus as a group. I can't see any town motivation in what you are doing right now. Which, ironically enough, means that we should duel. If I lose the vote and die, I'll flip green and you will have condemned yourself even further. If I win, then scumball down, victory for town. Bring it on. | ||
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@Hapa: He didn't just make a post about me. He called me out for a duel with his first post based on my first post. To me, this screams scum. | ||
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On February 25 2013 12:48 Adam4167 wrote: You can still change my mind, I am not a tunnel machine. I pull out of shit tunnels all the time, as I did with GoodKarma in Chrono or SacredSystem in a newbie I subbed into with Zarepath months ago. You are right, we have more than enough time to deliberate, I am making my intentions known now so we can discuss it at depth. You want to change my mind? Go find scum. I'd like to think Ill know pretty quickly if what you're posting is genuine or piffle. Good to hear that you are willing to disarm, even if ever so slightly. Unfortunately, I am not the best scum hunter. I rely on my maps a lot, as you probably know, which usually require days of information and copious cross referencing before the incriminating connections really stand out. I'll try to whip up something before I go to bed tonight, though. | ||
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Ok this is what I got after the first day: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i48.tinypic.com/vyl9px.jpg) Nothing really interesting here that I didn't already pick up on from reading the thread. Very few town reads and lots of poop being thrown around. - Marv and Snarf have some sort of connection. - Adam, who is usually lurker supreme, has shown lots of action this game. - A couple lurkers: Alderan, Zarepath - A few unburrowed lurkers: Snarf, Keirathi, Thrawn, Sylencia - Corazon, Marv, and Yamato are at the center of things, with mixed lines from everyone. - Both Adam and Yamato have cleared Corazon as Towny after much argument. K, that's about it. Not too much info to go on. Maybe the thread will pick up again tomorrow and we can actually make some forward progress and stop spinning our tires in the mud. Hopefully we will see some participation from Alderan and Zarapath soon. | ||
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The connection between Marv and Snarf has me puzzled. I don't know what to make of it. Marv has heat coming in from a few directions, which is understandable considering how he has played so far, but Snarf on the other hand... he started off posting strong, boldly claimed towny, then kind of fell off the planet when people started agreeing with his policies. Seems fishy to just dump out like that after everything started agreeing and the spotlight was moved away. Secondly, Oatsmaster jumped into the conversation a bit late, but the way he did it has me a little suspicious. He instantly threw doubt on Cora and started attacking Marv. He hasn't said anything super incriminating yet, but he is definitely on my 'To Watch' list. Overall, there just really isn't enough info yet for me to be 100% about any read. I'm not even going to pretend I'm that good at mafia after two games to where I can call people out like that on day one. I definitely have a few suspicions, though I don't really see a reason to muddy up the waters with my speculation right now. | ||
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So adam finally pulled the trigger on keirathi, huh. Can't say this really surprised me, however his choice of target seems a little strange. Keir wasn't really on my radar or maps at all. He showed up a little late then it looks like he was making an effort to jump back into the game. How much time do we have left before voting ends? If I can, I'll try to jump on when bosslady isnt looking. If not, I'll be back after work to do some investigation and vote. | ||
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Adam4167 + Show Spoiler + Timeline: - immediately busts into the thread with a vigilante disposition and challenges me to a duel. - begins to argue with marv - cuts me down - prods Corazon a few times, calls him uninteresting, then drops him - tells Zarepath he's given out reads on several players, when actually he has done very little other than accuse me of scum and clear Corazon. - clears Oats - supports Thrawn/Keir duel. - threatens Keir with a duel - clears Thrawn - defends his stance a bit more, then snaps a duel on Keir - general posturing, says his mafia meta is lurky and passive, calls Yamato delusional - reinforces that his play isnt mafia motivated a few times. - outright claims town Summary: I have to admit that I am a bit biased due to our previous interactions, but I can't shake the feeling that this guy is scum. He seems to be trying to cause as much chaos as possible, then once all the shit has been slung, reinforces over and over again that he is town. He also seems to be exclusively picking on the Keirathi + Show Spoiler + Timeline: - disagrees with Thrawn's stance to just 'let things happen as they will' - says Thrawn is currently his biggest scumread - puts suspicion on Adam due to his rogue bravado - tries to advance our dueling policy - says he is willing to duel Thrawn - argues a bit more with Adam about dueling policy - gets called out by Adam - general defending Summary: As I said earlier, I was completely surprised by Adam snapping on Keir. I've gone through Keir's filter a few times since the duel was called, but I still can't find anything that sticks out as obviously scum motivated. Other than a bit of back and forth banter mostly discussing dueling policy, he has kept a relatively low profile. The only real aggression shown has been directed towards a scummy looking Thrawn. It's true his activity has been a little slow, but not so much that I'd see any reason to raise any alarms. Overall, I'd say he has been playing it overly safe, if anything. So with that, I feel compelled to cast my vote now. Considering how the game started, I don't think it's going to surprise anyone. ##Vote: Adam4167 | ||
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And no, I haven't been suspicious of Keir. I don't have a wealth of games to draw my metas from like some of these other vets, and I don't think he has done anything super scummy other than be a little inactive. However, once he got called out for a duel, I put aside my previous views and launched a full investigation anyway. And guess what? I didn't find much :X | ||
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On February 27 2013 11:45 thrawn2112 wrote: dienosoe let's walk though that summary of kei's play Here are your main points about keir, taken from that bottom paragraph: "Other than a bit of back and forth banter mostly discussing dueling policy, he has kept a relatively low profile" "The only real aggression shown has been directed towards a scummy looking Thrawn" "Overall, I'd say he has been playing it overly safe, if anything." Those things are not suspicious? wtf They are only suspect because of how boring and mundane they are. It either means he is scum trying to blend in or is just a low impact towny. Right now, because of my read on Adam and the assumption that scum wont duel themselves so early in the game, I'm left with the conclusion that Keir is town. | ||
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[B]On February 27 2013 11:57 thrawn2112 wrote: that dienosore is hella scummy for not being suspicious of obviously scummy keir. Maybe I am blind and have been missing something, but why is Keir obviously scummy? I'm not trying to argue here, I'm just looking for an honest discussion. If you have a good reason why Keir should be shot over Adam, I'm all ears. As it stands now, I just don't see it. | ||
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@Thrawn: Adam has made an equal number of reads this game. Considering how the duelers are pretty similar in this regard, I don't see how their volume has anything to do with determining their alignment in this situation. | ||
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On February 27 2013 12:26 thrawn2112 wrote: I don't have a problem with dieno looking at kei/adam and deciding that adam is the scummier one. The problem is when he summarizes keir's play as lurky, safe, etc and doesn't seem to be the least bit suspicious. Of course its a little suspicious, but we are still so early into it that I pretty much have that level of suspicion on everyone. Once you start doing big things to needlessly shake up an already unsure game, then you get put on a different level. | ||
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On February 27 2013 12:33 Acrofales wrote: So far I get the impression that Dieno is not putting the same effort into figuring stuff out as in PU or CT, but there is both still time and I haven't fully analysed him yet. You're impression is right. It's true that I haven't put the same effort into this game as my previous two, and unfortunately I'm probably not going to. For both of those games, I was unemployed and had every single minute at my leisure. Now, I have a pretty demanding job that easily takes 7-8 hours of my day, 5 days a week. That being said, I'm still going to get on here as often as I can, I'm still going to be making my maps, and I'm still going to be mercilessly hunting down scum. I'm just not going to be sitting at my laptop f5'ing every two minutes like I used to =P | ||
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Thats also what you said about those earlier scum reads. | ||
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On February 27 2013 15:38 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont think that Keirathi is gonna flip scum, but on the slight chance that he is trying not to draw flack for his play, I am in favour of lynching him. Quoting this for preservation purposes. | ||
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Firstly, let me say NICE MOVES ADAM! Fucking man of steel right there. Some Clint Eastwood/Zoro shit. I admit, I totally thought you were a scumball, but with keirs flip, you turn back to gravy in my books. And why are you guys all jumping down my throat? Because I've been inactive? Is that really the only reason? I've been working, posting when I can. And then it was my day off today, so naturally I went out to the bar last night and got hammered. Well here I am. I'm gonna start on a new map. I have today and the next off, so I'll pretty much be watching this thread like a hawk until it's time to go back to work. If you guys have any specific questions, shoot em at me. As for me dueling Syl, I would totally be OK with that. He has looked scummy to me for a while now. | ||
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What is his plan, Oats? Can you summarize? | ||
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On March 01 2013 06:33 Alderan wrote: Reason being, he never actually said anything about Syl looking scummy. If he was scum he would want to go with the easiest lynch bait. If he was town he would duel the one he felt most strongly about. That doesn't seem to be the case. Are you suggesting I pull an Adam and duel my top scum read? I said I was okay dueling Syl because he feels scummy to me and most of the town has asked for it. | ||
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On March 01 2013 07:55 Sylencia wrote: my wanting to duel him has increased This town obviously isn't big enough for both of us, Sylencia. ##Duel: Sylencia | ||
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Here we start with this awesome post: On February 25 2013 07:05 Sylencia wrote: Because of your piss poor attitude when things don't go exactly the way you want it to. Anyways, I odn't see anything that's particularly out of the ordinary about the policy that Hapa is suggesting. I think even as a blue role it might be better to just put yourself out there and have a good defense. Reluctance makes you suspicious in town eyes, as well as suspicious on the mafia side. Speaking of bad first posts, he openly suggests blues come forward at the start of the game. Then he says reluctance to reveal yourself should be met with suspicion. Why would a towny ever want to expose blues, especially so early? I can understand if it is later in the game and there are lots of zany roles to protect people with, but this set-up so far seems to be pretty straight forward and simple. Here he promises reads then doesn't deliver On February 26 2013 08:25 Sylencia wrote: As for reads, this is going to sound like a broken record to you by now, but tonight. If that's not good enough for you, I am perfectly willing to put myself up for the duel. Then there is his vote on Adam: On February 26 2013 18:31 Sylencia wrote: The sad thing is that I don't see Adam being scum, but just a detriment to town. Regarding Keir, I feel like he's pretty much on the same area as I am, not much from him but the fact he's argued with Adam meant that he's been put up for a duel. I'm still null on Keir, but if this is the way Adam wants to play I don't think it's exactly going to help us out in the long run. ##Vote: Adam Here he says Adam isn't scum, then he actually has the balls to vote to kill him anyway. He also manages to weakly align himself with Keir (who flipped scum, btw). But wait... what's this?: On February 27 2013 14:07 Sylencia wrote: You try to nail me last night for what you're doing at the moment, but worse because you're statement essentially says you're killing off what you believe to probably be 2 townies. If you believe Keir is town, you have no reason to try kill him. Even if he's bad town, he still gives us the numbers we need to stay further afloat vs scum. Now it's not ok to kill a towny, even if he's bad? This whole post goes directly against his vote on adam. Why you so flip-floppy, Syl? He finally makes some real reads once Adam is dead, maybe because he is being pressured for looking scummy. Whatever, standard play. What is interesting is this little blip: On February 28 2013 23:56 Sylencia wrote: Should probably clarify/add to that point about why I want to duel Corazon: ~70% of his scumhunting time has been dedicated to me with ~80% of his case being completely meta despite saying how inaccurate metareads are. 15% of it have valid scum traits within them and 5% contain specific points/errors in my reasoning and logic. I honestly don't even know if he's really read through much of what I've said and just complained about quantity, quantity and quantity (with a dash of quality thrown into one of his latest posts). While it's still considered scumhunting, I don't see it to be very productive at all seeing as how he has had his tunnel vision glasses on since stopping with yam and Oats. He admits to having scum traits? Why would a towny ever say something like that? And the whole message is pretty much, "I want to duel Corazon because he is tunneling me". Maybe I'm wrong about this, but shouldn't you want to duel because you think someone is scum, not because they hurt your feelings? There are a few other smaller things that add up after a while, but I think I've got the main points up there. | ||
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On March 01 2013 11:14 thrawn2112 wrote: I'm calling bullshit on dieno's stance on syl. Look the post dieno quoted to justify the duel: blah blah blah Here's where that quote came from: blah blah blah What.... that post from syl is actually pretty good imo. Dienosaur completely took that quote out of context in order to justify his duel. Syl is not saying he wants to duel deino, he'd rather lynch Cor. Would you have preferred if I quoted this one instead?: While I'm willing to go up for a duel because of my lurker status, my lack of critical scumhunting, and whatnot - I'll let Deino cast the duel. He can show he has the same commitment that I do to being on the block. The whole premise of this duel is stupid, it's very obvious that dieno is more concerned about keeing up appearances rather than lynching his top scumread. As I explained to Acro, Syl is currently my top scumread. Dieno's read on syl comes from nowhere. He's just doing this because we told him to, not because he cares about lynching scum when means we should lynch him. Maybe you didn't read my case. I'd hardly say that my read "comes from nowhere". | ||
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On March 01 2013 07:56 thrawn2112 wrote: So it seems like Dieno's main motivating factor in originally wanting to duel adam was entirely because adam wanted to duel dieno. Dieno's scumread on adam consists of nothing, like he is only dueling to defend his namesake or some shit. This is odd because you should only be wanting to duel your strong scumreads and I don't get the feeling that Dieno had a strong scumread on adam. After adam backs down, Dieno does nothing about his read except to state that he's cooled off and want to focus on other things, but also that he's ready and willing to duel if adam wants to. So does dienosaur have a scumread on adam? Does it look like a scumread that is strong enough to be the basis of a duel? My main motivation was the fact that he wanted to duel me. I was a little offended that he would jump at me so early in the game, so naturally I snapped back at him. Then some time passed and some stuff happened. Marv vouched for Adam, etc. I stayed suspicious up until the flip, and now I'm pretty sure Adam is not a scumdog. I just don't see mafia dueling each other day 1. Unless of course it was all a genius plan to do the unthinkable and get town cred... but probably not. Keirathi has already shown that mafia will accept a challenge when directly called out, and I'm not convinced that dieno truly wished to duel adam in a townie way.... the way that a townie would want to duel somebody they have a strong scumread on. Keir and dieno are similar in this regard as they express a very diplomatic attitude towards dueling. They will accept a duel, but it looks more like they are accepting because of appearance reasons rather than scumhunting reasons. If I was called on to duel, I would only be willing to duel a select few people. This is because as town you are only willing to duel your strong scumreads. Deino didn't express a "i think he's scum and i'm willing to own up to my read" attitude, he had a "if he wants to duel me, i'll duel him" attitude. That is not a townie-motivated approach to dueling. It was super early in the game and I wasn't entirely sure about Adam, hence why I didn't actually duel him. However, I did want to send the message that I'm not going to be cowed by anyone trying to be a bully, and I think it worked pretty well. Here are your main points about keir, taken from that bottom paragraph: "Other than a bit of back and forth banter mostly discussing dueling policy, he has kept a relatively low profile" "The only real aggression shown has been directed towards a scummy looking Thrawn" "Overall, I'd say he has been playing it overly safe, if anything." Those things are not suspicious? wtf No, I don't think they are. To me, he just seemed like a busy and slightly uninterested towny. that dienosore is hella scummy for not being suspicious of obviously scummy keir. keir's actual alignment probably doesn't even factor into it. town dienosore should not be looking at someone who hardcore lurked and only introduced 1 unique point to the thread and seeing them as not scummy. The theme of those posts is that Dienosore isn't suspicious of a obviously suspicious lurker. This is a scumtell. I scumslipped exactly like this in lviii by not being suspicious of a guy who dropped off in activity. I have no issue with the fact that he chose adam as his scumread. The problem is when he fails to understand the idea that keir's lurking is suspicious. He eve labels keir's play as "overly safe, kept a relatively low profile, etc." Yet he is not suspicious of keir at all for those things! It wasn't obvious to me at all. Up until Keir flipped, I never really felt strongly that he was mafia. Maybe some of you other guys have more experience with Keir to have been able to make a meta read based on his lazy play, but I didn't. Lesson learned, though. he throws this at Oats: blah blah blah Not only does this seem ridiculously forced, dieno hasn't done anything with it. His only mention of or interaction with Oats was asking oats to clarify something somebody else said. I wanted to quote that because he basically says he is in favor of lynching someone he didn't think was scum. Smells super fishy to me and I'm surprised you guys just basically brushed it under the rug. | ||
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On March 01 2013 13:00 thrawn2112 wrote: dienosore, one question: Give me the most basic statement you can summarizing syl's play, and why you think he's scum. Keep it as short and as to the point as possible. Idleness and sketchy plays the entire game slowly build up to scumball status. On March 01 2013 14:20 Hapahauli wrote: Also DIeno, I need some of your other reads. What's your current view on Oats? Up until the first duel, I was pretty suspect. Since then, he hasn't really done anything noteworthy, other than pop in from time to time to keeper lurker status off. He seems normal, but every now and then he says something out of line that makes me do a double take. I'm keeping my eye on him for sure, but would I call him a top scum read? Not with much conviction, at least until there is more evidence or he does something blatantly stupid. Map D1: + Show Spoiler + http://i48.tinypic.com/vyl9px.jpg Nothing really interesting here that I didn't already pick up on from reading the thread. Very few town reads and lots of poop being thrown around. - Marv and Snarf have some sort of connection. - Adam, who is usually lurker supreme, has shown lots of action this game. - A couple lurkers: Alderan, Zarepath - A few unburrowed lurkers: Snarf, Keirathi, Thrawn, Sylencia - Corazon, Marv, and Yamato are at the center of things, with mixed lines from everyone. - Both Adam and Yamato have cleared Corazon as Towny after much argument. Map D2: + Show Spoiler + http://snaps.htmlchat.net/?img=13030101290739274302z0og (shitty camera, sry. If you cant read it, just ask and ill tell you what it says) - Yamato who was super active d1 has shown little activity d2. Same goes for Corazon. - On the flip side, there has been a big increase of activity from Acro. - Thrawn showed up briefly to drop a few names, then slinked back to the shadows. Zare did something similar. - Snarfs has been totally mia Probably the most interesting thing about the map today is how different it is from d1. Because of this, cross referencing from d1 hasn't yielded many extra insights. Other than myself, syl, and to some extent, Corazon, no one else really seems to be attracting any overwhelming heat. | ||
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On March 01 2013 18:26 Oatsmaster wrote: Ok Dienosore, what do you see that is out of line every so often from me? Well, to start off with, you attacked marv, who I was pretty sure to be town, for little reason at the beginning of the game. Called him scummy and suspicous. This immediately raised my eyebrows. "I get a different feeling in this game than LIX. He is not really stepping up here, even in LIX he didnt run for mayor until half of the first cycle was gone. So therefore, I dont really think marv is helping town so far. So therefore he is scummy. " "In this statement, I meant that his policy post is not alignment indicative. I still think he is scummy, but that post isnt a reason why." You stopped pushing against marv once you failed to gain any sheep Next, you try to distract/mislead town with some conspiracy theories that had nothing to do with what was being talked about at the time: Does this look set-up to anyone else? Or am I just paranoid. No mention of Hapa in the last 2 pages by these gentlemen, Marv sets up a question in order to give a scum read on Hapa that is substantiated by another veteran in a way that is totally unsuspicious and it looks real good. Interesting. You constantly are asking other people for their reads, yet offering nothing back other than occasionally slinging splashes of mud. Its called keeping them to yourself :D who is scum Iamp? Anyway stop discussing Marv, its getting nowhere. Acro do you have any reads? This is the only thing you saw Zarepath? Really? Do you have any scumreads? reads keirathi? etc. Then you have this that looks like you are trying to make an excuse to duel someone and be able to get away with murder My plan is that if no lynch is gonna happen, I will duel my top scumread. Not good because generally my reads are not very good. Maybe this game its different? I dont know. yes I just discredited myself. But no lynch is definitely not happening. After fumbling around for a bit and making general conversation, you lay this gem on us where you explicitly say you are in favor to kill a towny: I dont think that Keirathi is gonna flip scum, but on the slight chance that he is trying not to draw flack for his play, I am in favour of lynching him. More poking and prodding to keep up the appearance that you are actually doing something. A string of questions followed by very few original insites: Huh, Who is scum Acro? What do you mean we have bigger fish to fry? lol Syl what do you think about that? You did a similar thing as I recall. Wait, Cora so what do you think about Adam saying that he would do it again? etc. Like I said, not the strongest case, but there definitely is enough material here to warrant suspicion. | ||
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On February 25 2013 06:20 marvellosity wrote: you're being rather egotistical. This game isn't about one player proving one other player is mafia, there are 15 of us. It's a collective decision. It makes far more sense to have the 2 scummiest people dueling it out, so town can choose. It goes back to my anecdote from Fruity earlier. Someone, or a bunch of people, can think someone is mafia, but it's possible that in fact the guy is not mafia, and may help prove so with his defence, or with his own cases and play. If you have the two scummiest in the lynch, then this leaves room for error and play. It's much more unlikely that the two scummiest will both absolve themselves, rather than just one. and this one On February 25 2013 06:46 marvellosity wrote: It's not insanely difficult to enforce. It should be not too hard to find at least the group of people we want to lynch into, and then give a deadline/ultimatum for 2 of them to duel, or if there's 1 clear frontrunner, give a couple of people the choice of whether they want to duel with the frontrunner. Actually the information you'll get from how people deal with this while under suspicion is probably far greater than any information you'll get from just having one clear townie dueling with someone suspicious. Whether ppl duel like they're asked, or go afk, how the suspects deal with the whole dueling situation - there's a whole mine of good shit there. Further, I overwhelmingly back my judgement on who mafia are and are not over yours, yamato, so the last thing I need is you running off playing the hero. Couldn't be more blatant to me. Plus the guy basically just outlined the gameplan for us, handing us the keys to an easy towny victory. From then on, trust was born. Kept waiting for him to slip up, but he never did, so I had no real reason to distrust him. | ||
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Dienosore
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
On March 01 2013 18:29 thrawn2112 wrote: dino how are you gonna say that I slunk back into the shadows? the shadows of my 7 page filter? does that mean I'm a scum read? same question for all of the names in your d2 analysis... are those people scum? "slunk back into the shadows" is used in this context as more of a figure of speech. Your mouth was mouth was moving a lot but nothing you said really showed up on the relationship map. Does it make you scum? Not necessarily; that's not what my maps are about. Just means that your aggression levels didn't really set off any remarkable flags, other than it didn't match the volume of your posts. | ||
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Dienosore
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
On March 01 2013 20:07 Oatsmaster wrote: So you wanted a reason to call him scum huh. Who does that? scum. Gotta be joking me. I wait for everyone to slip up so I can better hunt catch and kill mafia, especially early on in the game when everyone is still suspect. Do you not do similar gut checks about your reads, also? Setup discussion is not alignment indicative and that seems to be what you are giving marv a town read. Normally I would agree with you, but in my mind, marv did more than just some simple setup discussion. He told us in easy abc 1-2-3 steps how to win the game. | ||
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Dienosore
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
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Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
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Dienosore
Brunei Darussalam622 Posts
Congrats town, you nailed us. Hats off to Adam for having the courage to duel first. Hapa, not sure if your double bus was genius or what put us in the coffin, but it almost worked, so nice try. Hope to see y'all again soon! | ||
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