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yamato77
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On March 04 2013 11:07 cDgCorazon wrote: I actually find this to be a great question. Let's hear an answer Hapa. I have been staring at this for 60 seconds and I still have no idea what you're asking me. | ||
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Adam4167
Australia1426 Posts
No. Worries. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On March 04 2013 10:45 Acrofales wrote: One of you two is clearly getting lynched. Hypothetical scenario: we lynch Yamato and he flips town. Who is scum? | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18075 Posts
On March 04 2013 11:16 Adam4167 wrote: He doesn't start attacking Keirathi until AFTER I already call the duel. Nor does he mention me. He could have easily just dumped a town/null read on Keirathi and a SCUM read on me. He was not pigeonholed into any reads, yet he chose the least beneficial options for a scum player. That is either the worlds most super bus or.... hes not mafia! You were IN Hero Mini Mafia, right? You were on the business end of one of the most super busses. While everybody else was angry at you for being a jerk, Hapa jumped straight to the conclusion that you were town and voted for Keirathi, despite being cautiously null with slight suspicions before then. As Ace says: if you're going to bus, you have to go the full 9 yards. No point in bussing unless you max out your town credit with it. That's the whole point of a bus. But this is a completely pointless argument. I cannot know that Hapa was busing. I do know that someone was. Thrawn and Iamp have flipped town. I know I am town. That means: Either Sylencia is scum and Dieno<->Sylencia was a counterbus. This still seems unlikely. Or two of the votes on Keir were scum bussing him. I don't think it's you. I don't think it's Alderan and I don't think it's Cora. Alderan's play around Dieno is weird for fairly inexperienced scum. Cora is far too eager to get into fights with townies. And you are not playing like your scum meta. That leaves Yamato, Hapa, Snarfs, Zapa and Oats. I already said I believe Zapa to be scum, but that leaves one of the other 4. Oats picked a fight with Marv. While I have my suspicions, this just seems so illogical and pointlessly risky after he got completely slaughtered by Marv in LIX, that I keep coming back to him being town, regardless of the rest of his play. Snarfs is an outsider possibility, but I feel Yamato's Snarfs=town case to be believable. That leaves Yamato and Hapa. Out of these, I believe Hapa is more capable and likely to have played the scumgame he has than Yamato. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18075 Posts
On March 04 2013 11:19 Hapahauli wrote: Acro, I want it straight from you right now - what is your read on me, and how likely do you think is it that I'll flip mafia? I've heard plenty of "oh he could have done <xxxxx> and <yyyyyy>" but nothing else. Less story-telling, and more reads. Go. It's not much of a case, but you're scum by elimination. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
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Adam4167
Australia1426 Posts
I'm sorry, but I just don't see that coming from the guy that claimed godfather in nested spoilers..... (no offense Hapa) | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On March 04 2013 11:33 cDgCorazon wrote: So now you're going with only 3 scum Acro? Oh I do apologize, I missed the part on Zare. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18075 Posts
You refer to CT for other games where you took a step back, but you were still actively scumhunting. This game everything has just sort of happened to you. I have the distinct feeling that the only reason that you're calling Yamato scum is because he dueled you and it's mano-a-mano now. I see NO mention of a Yamato is scum idea bouncing around in your filter until he duels you. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
[rant] Firstly, it is a stupid question. "Hmmm you have all these scumreads, but scrap them and give me new ones!" is an invitation to get uninformed bullshit rather than anything of substance. [/rant] As for the answer, I don't have one. I think Yamato and Zape are the scumteam. IF Yamato somehow flips town, I'd probably take a look at you, Snarfs, and Alderan for the next one. That's probably what I'll do tomorrow during my lunch break. In the mean time, I'm not going to pull an answer out of my ass. | ||
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Adam4167
Australia1426 Posts
I want every single one of you that has town in your role PM to go back and read exactly what thrawn had to say before he died last night. Go back and read Yamato's backflip after I call for the duel on Keirathi. If you genuinely believe that keeping Yamato alive is the better option after that, then I honestly don't know what more I can say to you. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On March 04 2013 11:38 Hapahauli wrote: [rant] Firstly, it is a stupid question. "Hmmm you have all these scumreads, but scrap them and give me new ones!" is an invitation to get uninformed bullshit rather than anything of substance. [/rant] As for the answer, I don't have one. I think Yamato and Zape are the scumteam. IF Yamato somehow flips town, I'd probably take a look at you, Snarfs, and Alderan for the next one. That's probably what I'll do tomorrow during my lunch break. In the mean time, I'm not going to pull an answer out of my ass. Me? Nice OMGUS. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On March 04 2013 11:37 Acrofales wrote: If you want a positive case for you being scum, it all boils down to that I expect a far more pro-town stepping-up-to-the-plate attitude from you as town. That has been entirely missing this game. You refer to CT for other games where you took a step back, but you were still actively scumhunting. This game everything has just sort of happened to you. I have the distinct feeling that the only reason that you're calling Yamato scum is because he dueled you and it's mano-a-mano now. I see NO mention of a Yamato is scum idea bouncing around in your filter until he duels you. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=398360¤tpage=64#1263 Buried in this post is the root of my Yamato suspicions. What tipped the edge was how completely uninterested he seems in figuring out my allignment. He had 48 hours to ask me a question, interact with me, or basically do anything. Instead he sat back, bombed a shitty case (which apparently no one has read or considered my response to it), and dueled me while I was asleep. Again, all I hear is "I have a feeling" this, and "it is a possibility" that. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Yes. Deal with it. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18075 Posts
On March 04 2013 11:34 Adam4167 wrote: This bus would blow Hero mafia's bus out of the fucking water it would be so epic. I'm sorry, but I just don't see that coming from the guy that claimed godfather in nested spoilers..... (no offense Hapa) So, lets stop on Hapa for a sec. My reasons for Hapa being scum are inspired by my efforts to make a conclusive case on Yamato. His play is just way more illogical than Hapa's for scum. Also, if you want to talk about illogical busses: Yamato flipped his reads 180º to vote for Adam in a fit of anger. Then 24 (or so) hours later, he is on the Keirathi train. If there was 1 person in the thread at that time who could jump on the double lynch with no negative consequences, it was Yamato. Yet he flipped 180º back to Keirathi instead. If you want to make the no-double-lynch-bus an issue, Yamato's makes less sense. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On March 04 2013 11:50 Acrofales wrote: So, lets stop on Hapa for a sec. My reasons for Hapa being scum are inspired by my efforts to make a conclusive case on Yamato. His play is just way more illogical than Hapa's for scum. Also, if you want to talk about illogical busses: Yamato flipped his reads 180º to vote for Adam in a fit of anger. Then 24 (or so) hours later, he is on the Keirathi train. If there was 1 person in the thread at that time who could jump on the double lynch with no negative consequences, it was Yamato. Yet he flipped 180º back to Keirathi instead. If you want to make the no-double-lynch-bus an issue, Yamato's makes less sense. Two things are horridly wrong with this. 1) He called Adam and Kei likely town somewhere in the middle of the day: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=398360¤tpage=49#975 2) This is the votecount when Yamato votes Kei: On February 28 2013 02:19 gonzaw wrote: Duel 1 Vote Count Adam4167 (4): yamato77, Sylencia, cDgCorazon, Dienosore Keirathi (5): Oatsmaster, Alderan, zarepath, Hapahauli, Snarfs 7 votes needed to lynch. If a majority is not reached by 07:40 GMT (+00:00), both duelists will die. It's pretty fucking clear that Kei was going to get lynched solo at this point. Yamato has no choice but to bus here. Are we reading the same filter? | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18075 Posts
What was clear is that Adam was not going to get lynched alone. Other than that, it was Yamato who stopped the double-lynch (with Cora). | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On March 04 2013 12:09 Acrofales wrote: What was clear about it? Syl was AFK with no guarantees of returning and Dieno was scum. Iamp and thrawn were on the double-lynch train with me. So if Yamato was scum he only had to worry about Dieno... and if he was worried about Dieno's vote ending on the wrong candidate, his voteswitch came at a terrible time anyway. What was clear is that Adam was not going to get lynched alone. Other than that, it was Yamato who stopped the double-lynch (with Cora). Because momentum just wildly swung to Kei. Secondly, you ignored the first point, in which Yamato was committed to a single lynch. He was also posting that he was against the idea of a double-lynch at all costs around that time. Funny you don't get that, when you just posted the same thing above in regards to myself. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18075 Posts
Alternatively, Yamato could choose to stay put on Adam and be a stubborn dick about it. Dieno could go double-lynching. They just had to bet on Syl staying AFK or sticking with his Adam read. They could clearly trust me to keep rallying the double-lynch troops. Yamato could have kicked up a fuss to lynch Adam. Yet.. he didn't, and caused what was clearly a bad lynch for scum to happen easily. The difference between Yamato and your position on double-lynching is that you were on Keir and had said you had 2 town reads. Yamato had given a scumread on Keir, then a scumread on Adam. He eventually flipped to a townread on Adam and a slightly-less-town-read on Keir. And all of that just so he could NOT push the mafia agenda. | ||
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