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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
March 04 2013 01:26 GMT
#1941
I think it would be likely that if another scum besides Dieno and Kei would've seen that their scumteam is probably going to be two less, they would play for the long run and try to bus their teammates early.

I don't think it's possible, I think that it is probable.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
March 04 2013 01:30 GMT
#1942
Firstly, did you not read anything I posted above? His tunnels and switches this game have been non-sensical and have lined up pretty much exactly with mafia motivations this game.

Secondly:
Hrmm ok. I agree that he does get pretty obnoxiously aggressive in British Empire. However, he also gets a giant tunnel on. He never doubts his reads. He never recants a scumread and doesn't seem to reconsider anything.

I don't really see the two games as following a similar track. But it was his very first scumgame, so it's not much of an argument against him being scum either.





Anyway this is the last I'm going to talk about Yamato. While I think he's scum, it's pretty clear that I have a conflict of interest here. Even if he could prove to me now that he had a 99.9% chance of flipping town, I'd still support lynching him just on the basis that I know that I'm town.

Now if someone other than myself, Yamato, and Acro could post, I could get to more productive subjects.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
March 04 2013 01:34 GMT
#1943
On March 04 2013 10:26 cDgCorazon wrote:
I think it would be likely that if another scum besides Dieno and Kei would've seen that their scumteam is probably going to be two less, they would play for the long run and try to bus their teammates early.

I don't think it's possible, I think that it is probable.


Funny you say "long-term" - I'm like the worst option for a long-term scum team member ever. In the last two scum games I've played, I've explicitly told my buddies to bus me early on the basis that there's rarely a good explanation for why I'd be alive in the late game.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
March 04 2013 01:40 GMT
#1944
On March 04 2013 10:34 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2013 10:26 cDgCorazon wrote:
I think it would be likely that if another scum besides Dieno and Kei would've seen that their scumteam is probably going to be two less, they would play for the long run and try to bus their teammates early.

I don't think it's possible, I think that it is probable.


Funny you say "long-term" - I'm like the worst option for a long-term scum team member ever. In the last two scum games I've played, I've explicitly told my buddies to bus me early on the basis that there's rarely a good explanation for why I'd be alive in the late game.


Lol is that your defense?

First of all, why would another scum tell Kei and Dieno, players who had been pegged as scum 36 hours into the game, to bus them? That would accomplish nothing and the smallest association case could see that as a bus.

Pointing out the fact that you would be the worst option for a long-term scum member as a defense is scummy as well. Pointing to things that give you town cred is basically trying to wave a giant sign over your head saying "don't lynch me I'm obviously town".
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
March 04 2013 01:41 GMT
#1945
Yeah, trying not to get mislynched is "scummy."
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
March 04 2013 01:42 GMT
#1946
On March 04 2013 10:41 Hapahauli wrote:
Yeah, trying not to get mislynched is "scummy."


Way to not answer my first point.
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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
March 04 2013 01:42 GMT
#1947
And as far as "LoL is that your defense" - go and read every damn thing I've posted over the last 10 hours or so in my defense, and then get back to me.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
March 04 2013 01:43 GMT
#1948
On March 04 2013 10:42 cDgCorazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2013 10:41 Hapahauli wrote:
Yeah, trying not to get mislynched is "scummy."


Way to not answer my first point.

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Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
March 04 2013 01:44 GMT
#1949
On March 04 2013 10:42 cDgCorazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2013 10:41 Hapahauli wrote:
Yeah, trying not to get mislynched is "scummy."


Way to not answer my first point.


First of all, why would another scum tell Kei and Dieno, players who had been pegged as scum 36 hours into the game, to bus them? That would accomplish nothing and the smallest association case could see that as a bus.


You made a good point. Nothing I can really say to that.
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Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
March 04 2013 01:44 GMT
#1950
Ok maybe I overreacted, way to not answer:


First of all, why would another scum tell Kei and Dieno, players who had been pegged as scum 36 hours into the game, to bus them? That would accomplish nothing and the smallest association case could see that as a bus.
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18075 Posts
March 04 2013 01:45 GMT
#1951
On March 04 2013 10:30 Hapahauli wrote:
Firstly, did you not read anything I posted above? His tunnels and switches this game have been non-sensical and have lined up pretty much exactly with mafia motivations this game.

Secondly:
Show nested quote +
Hrmm ok. I agree that he does get pretty obnoxiously aggressive in British Empire. However, he also gets a giant tunnel on. He never doubts his reads. He never recants a scumread and doesn't seem to reconsider anything.

I don't really see the two games as following a similar track. But it was his very first scumgame, so it's not much of an argument against him being scum either.





Anyway this is the last I'm going to talk about Yamato. While I think he's scum, it's pretty clear that I have a conflict of interest here. Even if he could prove to me now that he had a 99.9% chance of flipping town, I'd still support lynching him just on the basis that I know that I'm town.

Now if someone other than myself, Yamato, and Acro could post, I could get to more productive subjects.

One of you two is clearly getting lynched. Hypothetical scenario: we lynch Yamato and he flips town. Who is scum?
Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
March 04 2013 01:46 GMT
#1952
Well I think the arguments and play speak for themselves. I'll keep looking through filters and come to a vote soon.

There's not much else for me to say.
Grubby's #1 Fan
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
March 04 2013 01:48 GMT
#1953
On March 04 2013 10:46 cDgCorazon wrote:
Well I think the arguments and play speak for themselves. I'll keep looking through filters and come to a vote soon.

There's not much else for me to say.


Well what's the argument? That it's possible that I double bussed, therefore I could be scum? That's just stupid.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
March 04 2013 01:51 GMT
#1954
On March 04 2013 10:45 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2013 10:30 Hapahauli wrote:
Firstly, did you not read anything I posted above? His tunnels and switches this game have been non-sensical and have lined up pretty much exactly with mafia motivations this game.

Secondly:
Hrmm ok. I agree that he does get pretty obnoxiously aggressive in British Empire. However, he also gets a giant tunnel on. He never doubts his reads. He never recants a scumread and doesn't seem to reconsider anything.

I don't really see the two games as following a similar track. But it was his very first scumgame, so it's not much of an argument against him being scum either.





Anyway this is the last I'm going to talk about Yamato. While I think he's scum, it's pretty clear that I have a conflict of interest here. Even if he could prove to me now that he had a 99.9% chance of flipping town, I'd still support lynching him just on the basis that I know that I'm town.

Now if someone other than myself, Yamato, and Acro could post, I could get to more productive subjects.

One of you two is clearly getting lynched. Hypothetical scenario: we lynch Yamato and he flips town. Who is scum?


Stupid question. I'll answer that if Yamato flips town.

As for scum #2, Zape's lack of "giving a shit" about the game makes him scum in my eyes. We've had success lynching two similar players, and he's the one I'd like to see hang next.
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Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
March 04 2013 01:57 GMT
#1955
Apparently I need to post this again since people fail at reading and absorbing.

On March 02 2013 16:23 Adam4167 wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17886669

More than half the thread wanted me dead right here. I cannot reconcile this post with the scum teams desires. No way in hell this is a bus.

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17895645

Stands firmly against the double lynch. Why not kill me and Keirathi both if hes scum and bussing? at least grab an erratic townie for your efforts.


Point 1 may be debatable, but point 2 is undeniable. Any scum that was going through with bussing Keirathi would have been pushing for a double-lynch on day 1. Think about it from a scum perspective: Why would you give up your teammate for nothing when you could just as easily bus him and also take a townie out. THINK.

Hapa is not mafia.
Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
March 04 2013 02:07 GMT
#1956
On March 04 2013 10:48 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 04 2013 10:46 cDgCorazon wrote:
Well I think the arguments and play speak for themselves. I'll keep looking through filters and come to a vote soon.

There's not much else for me to say.


Well what's the argument? That it's possible that I double bussed, therefore I could be scum? That's just stupid.


I actually find this to be a great question. Let's hear an answer Hapa.
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18075 Posts
March 04 2013 02:11 GMT
#1957
How can Hapa come out for a double-lynch after saying this:
On February 27 2013 04:13 Hapahauli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2013 04:10 Acrofales wrote:
Let me get this straight, Hapa: you think it's entirely possible Keir is town, but think killing him is the lesser of two evils? If you were a pardoner, would you consider stopping this lynch?


Yes and yes. None of my top scumreads are on the block right now.


He had a town read on both lynch candidates and was voting for Keir because he was "less townie" than Adam. No way he can suddenly come out for double-lynching. He HAS to defend that.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
March 04 2013 02:12 GMT
#1958
I believe that's the point Acro.
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Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
March 04 2013 02:16 GMT
#1959
He doesn't start attacking Keirathi until AFTER I already call the duel. Nor does he mention me. He could have easily just dumped a town/null read on Keirathi and a SCUM read on me.

He was not pigeonholed into any reads, yet he chose the least beneficial options for a scum player. That is either the worlds most super bus or.... hes not mafia!
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
March 04 2013 02:19 GMT
#1960
Acro, I want it straight from you right now - what is your read on me, and how likely do you think is it that I'll flip mafia? I've heard plenty of "oh he could have done <xxxxx> and <yyyyyy>" but nothing else.

Less story-telling, and more reads. Go.
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