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I did follow it up.
If you haven't noticed, I still am not completely sure of his alignment.
What's the point in this? You and everyone else are calling me scum for how my reads change over the game, it's ridiculous. Stop being so thick-headed and fucking think about the game for a minute. Who has played townier this game between Hapa and I? Me. Do you REALLY think town Hapa would play so passive? Really? And scum Yamato be so... not passive?
I don't understand how you manage to convince yourself of these things. You're not a newbie player.
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If you seriously cant follow why I think you're mafia, you're being intentionally thick.
The fact that you think you've played a townier game than Hapa just highlights how out of perspective your view on this game is.
Do I really think Hapa would play this passive? Yes, I've seen it first hand in Hero mafia, this is well within his wheelhouse as town. Be it from time-constraints or just a general feeling of being lost, he hasn't taken the lead, but so what, he hasn't needed to.
You have done close to nothing since I called that duel on Keirathi, so calling yourself not passive is again showing your lack of perspective. The most noteworthy thing is a case on Acro that you 'proved' he was mafia:
On March 01 2013 01:56 yamato77 wrote:
You're good at arguing
Too bad I have already proven you're mafia, and you can't refute it, because it's with words you typed!
You make it too easy.
Then you think hapa is mafia, and all of a sudden acro is town:
On March 03 2013 04:14 yamato77 wrote:
Lol, have two townies duel and double lynch them
This is hilarious.
You guys kill my motivation to play.
Your whole interaction with him this game just stinks of a poorly executed bus.
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You're arguing me being mafia on the basis of Acro being mafia, which is something you've yet to prove.
This is absurd. Do you just not consider the possibility that you're wrong once in a while? I know your ego is MASSIVE and all, but does that thought ever cross your mind?
Think about it. Seriously. I HAVE played a townier game than Hapa, and I am damn sure I look a hell of a lot townier than him today.
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Think about this possiblity:
Acro is town.
I am town.
I thought Acro was mafia, and was mildly suspicious of him for a while.
You dueled someone out of the fucking blue day 1, cutting off all discussion of anyone but you and Keir, who I initially had right. I thought you were mafia mucking up the thread with an easy, quick duel because it seemed premature, BUT I REALIZED I WAS WRONG, AND LYNCHED MAFIA.
I thought Acro might be mafia again, for some very good reasons. I didn't duel him because of the overwhelmingly NEGATIVE response to this idea. Plus, I really did take my time to consider that Dieno might be mafia, and became relatively convinced after rereading Parallel. Again, I REALIZED I WAS WRONG, AND LYNCHED MAFIA.
Come to today. I think Acro being town is MORE likely because of his push toward Dieno, and the fact that Hapa looks like lazy fucking scum. I REALIZED I WAS WRONG, AND AM GOING TO LYNCH MAFIA.
See a pattern here? When I rethink the situation, things become much more clear. You should take a page from my book and consider the game from a different perspective than Acro = mafia.
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This is tedious. I outlined why you were mafia long before I voiced my suspicions of acro.
I have considered the possibility I am wrong - and then discounted it once I looked at everything again. Your actions make far more sense from a mafia perspective.
You do not look townier than him. Your case against him is filled with taking his words out of context and 'what ifs' and 'coincidences'. If this were bang-bang, id have shot you on the spot for posting it.
I grow tired of this. I'm not trying to convince you that you are mafia, as that would be pointless. Its my goal to get everyone else to see what I already do.
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My goal is to convince you, if you are indeed town, to not be so tunneled.
You say you've thought about being wrong, but I don't see it. Your "townie points" for Hapa are hilariously weak and mostly association-based, but yet you rate him over me when I've been more involved with town the whole fucking game.
I don't know. It's up there as one of the best heuristics, especially when applied to hyper-active townies like Hapa. When he's got a smaller filter than me and less attachment to the thread than me, there's a problem. He may have had the "right" reads, but how much is that really worth? Did he really do anything to get either of Keirathi or Deino lynched? Not really. Sure, he had a vote, but did he ever come in the thread and try to convince people to vote with him? No. Did I? Yes. Yet you give him more town cred than me for the Keirathi lynch. Why? You see what you want to see, which is that I'm mafia.
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At this point I really wouldn't mind if I got lynched, to be honest.
If it lets people like Adam see the game in a new light, so be it.
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Fine. I'll do a full reread of the game in the morning.
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##Vote: Yamato.
Lets give him his wish and lynch him.
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On March 04 2013 20:42 Oatsmaster wrote:
##Vote: Yamato.
Lets give him his wish and lynch him.
This is pathetic.
Have you read the arguments of the last 5 pages or so? Give us your analysis.
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Hapa, you know Oats fairly well, right? If you're town, I value your opinion. Give us your opinion on Oats' play. You apparently have a town read on him. So did I, but his most recent behaviour seems so apathetic and useless that I am having doubts.
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Yeah Yamato is defending himself as hard as he can.
Still doesnt tell me why Hapa is scum.
Hapa's vote on Keir at the start of Adam's duel makes absolutely no sense as scum. Why would you try to stop the quickly forming mislynch?
Also Yamato hard pushed you n2/3 and seems to think you are confirmed town now.
Why? I dont know.
He keeps harping on the fact that his meta is different from the last scum game he played.
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Also, where has Sylencia gone skulking off to again? His last post was 30 hours ago and it was a continuation of the Syl<->Cora tunnelfest united. Does anybody have any idea what he even thinks of Yamato or Hapa? I don't.
Alderan and Zapa said they'd be afk. But weekend is over, so I expect them back too (although it's still early in the US).
I'd also like Snarfs' view. Basically wayyyy too many people are either away or really don't give a shit about this lynch.
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On March 04 2013 22:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yeah Yamato is defending himself as hard as he can.
Still doesnt tell me why Hapa is scum.
Hapa's vote on Keir at the start of Adam's duel makes absolutely no sense as scum. Why would you try to stop the quickly forming mislynch?
Also Yamato hard pushed you n2/3 and seems to think you are confirmed town now.
Why? I dont know.
He keeps harping on the fact that his meta is different from the last scum game he played.
Tell me why Hapa isn't scum.
My problem isn't that I think Hapa is scum insomuch as I think that Yamato isn't.
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What I mean with that, is that I cannot reconcile Yamato's play with a scum mindset. I *can* imagine Hapa being scum.
Show me why I shouldn't be able to and we just raise the bar for both of them.
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I have the same problem with Hapa, with the stuff he has done, I dont think scum would do them.
Firstly he started this duel basically on his own, which he blasted adam for.
Secondly.
My vote on Keir was a weakly justified one, because I really just wanted to push a lynch through, but would I have pushed the Keir lynch through for the sake of lynching someone if I was mafia with him?
Did he really do anything to get either of Keirathi or Deino lynched? Not really. Sure, he had a vote, but did he ever come in the thread and try to convince people to vote with him? No. Did I?
Yeah. Contradiction CITY.
This is the only stuff he posted about Deino after the duel had been initiated.
On March 02 2013 01:01 yamato77 wrote:
##Vote Dienosore
You guys are most likely right about him, and I feel like Sylencia is most likely town of the two. While lurky and useless is Syl's town meta, it is not Dieno's so he can die.
As a side note I'm pretty sure Hapa is mafia, now, and much less sure of Acro.
On March 02 2013 05:29 yamato77 wrote:
I don't think we're going to get much earth-shattering information out of this duel at this point.
Dieno needs to die. If he's not mafia, I will personally be surprised at how little effort he has put into this game.
So he didnt push either Dieno or Keirathi in any substantial way, which is what he claimed he did.
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Yeah, it's the bigger picture on Yamato that I can't see as scum. He is hyperactive, picking sensible fights and backing down from them when it is no longer useful and seeming to analyse the game. I don't feel Yamato is capable of faking these things as scum, and his single scumgame ever seems to back that up.
What is it in Hapa's play that you don't think scum Hapa is capable of faking?
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Hi all,
I can understand people calling for my head based on the fact I've been AFK since Thursday, and I'm sorry for that. Friday was much busier than I anticipated, and then I just had family stuff going on all weekend. I'm going to go back and re-read everything from Friday on and have more of a thread presence today than previously.
I've seen mentions that my Day 2 participation was super scummy -- I believe I made a single post saying we should be careful because the Dieno lynch looked super easy, and suggested we should look more at a double-lynch, and I can see how that would look scummy while it's the only post I made for the day.
As far as this duel goes, I think Yamato's jumping the gun seems like a very anti-town thing to do, but two main things worry me about this:
1) When I read his filter the other day, he said something on Day 1 like "Keirathi needs to die; he needs to die now; somebody kill him please." So even though he did move to Adam and then switched at the last second to Keirathi because everybody else was (after deciding they were both town), we put unnecessary pressure on Keirathi way before he was up for lynch (unnecessary if he's scum).
2) He's outright stated he no longer thinks the other guy he's dueling is scum. I really doubt that scum would do that, and calling for your own lynch in order to save a townie life seems, uh, dumb for scum.
So honestly the question is now even though yamato is convinced that Hapa isn't scum, how convinced are WE that Hapa isn't scum? He wasn't one of my scum reads on Thursday/Friday and probably won't be now, but I will look at that as I read back through the thread, since priority 1 for me is getting any input in on this Duel that I can before the deadline's reached.
Then I'll share my own reads.
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EBWOP: *He put unnecessary pressure on Keirathi way before he was up for lynch (Yamato).
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EBWOP: Holy crap, I misread a bunch of stuff and apparently Yamato doesn't think that ACRO's mafia. Let me get back to you guys after I re-read.
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