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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Yamato is picking sensible fights? Like with who? Also he basically lied about his activity around the scum lynches so far. He did NOTHING in the Dieno lynch, and hopped around alot in the Keirathi lynch and only wanted to lynch him after the momentum shift. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18075 Posts
Yamato vs. Acro vs. Dieno. In D2 Yamato gets his tunnel on and comes after me. However, even when he's calling me scum and is willing to duel me at dawn, he is listening to what I am saying. Why on earth would scum bother giving credence to what his "scumread" is saying about his scumbuddy instead of just continuing to nail me to the cross? At the time it seemed weird, but the more I think about it, the less reason I can see for doing this. Why not just yell louder? He could just say "I am not listening to you, you scummy bastard" and keep flooding the thread with his cases on me. Instead he does a double-take, looks at Dieno's filter and agrees that his buddy is scum. There is NO scum reasoning where this makes sense. However, my D1 read also plays a role in my town read of Yamato: 1. Yamato vs. Marv's policy. You can say that Yamato's ideas weren't sensible, but his fight was. He picked a fight with the single-most respected player in this game to argue about policy. This whole exchange screamed townie. Then when I entered the fray he got back into the brawl, but doesn't want to continue brawling for the sake of brawling. He had made his points on policy and was calling it a day without backing down from a viewpoint that Marv, Hapa and Acro all criticized. On February 25 2013 09:41 yamato77 wrote: I'm done talking about this stupid fucking setup shit. I'm lynching mafia, even if town fucks off. That's the gist of my posting. If you don't like it, I really don't care anymore. Sure, there were some further questions that got answered, but by and large, this was the end of the policy discussion. It's hard to see how scum would first pick a fight with Marv (and later Hapa and myself) and then once it is steaming along nicely and aiming the thread at nowhere-near-scumhunting, call it to an end, because it is a pointless discussion. 2. Yamato vs. Cora. I suggest you reread this bit of the thread on pages 11-13. The argument is stupid, but it 100% reads like two stupid townies being stupid at each other. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On March 03 2013 12:48 thrawn2112 wrote: d3: lynch yamato. if yamato flips scum then do whatever the hell you want. if yamato turns out to be town I think hapa and acro should be flipped next. On February 26 2013 07:59 marvellosity wrote: Ok, so I'm hoping deadline is about to happen. Here's what I think of people so far. Probably town: yamato - aggression, thread presence, decent reads, etc People I'm a bit suspicious of: Hapahauli - he's just done nothing to make me think he's town, and Hapa is very capable of coming across town. Like iamp mentions, defends himself too much instead of doing proactive things. *could* just be a bad start. On February 28 2013 12:38 iamperfection wrote: hapa is in the same time zone as me. Hapa knows that playing mafia is a commitment hapa knows proving your towniness is important hapa knows that activity and discussion are how you catch mafia He has shown no interest in those things top it off with his shit start that was all defense and no scum hunting and the simple explanation is that hapa is mafia. And the survey says... ##Vote: Hapa Also I cannot see any possible ways that Hapa's actions could be town-oriented. I could see Yamato's play being town a lot easier (still hard though) than Hapa's play. | ||
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HiroPro
United States2624 Posts
Duel 3 Vote Count yamato77 (2): Adam4167, Oatsmaster Hapahauli (2): Acrofales, cDgCorazon 5 votes needed to lynch. ~26 hours left until 17:19 GMT (+00:00) | ||
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
How do you reconcile your vote with the fact that Hapa was the first person to defend Adam on Duel 1, and one of the first to vote Keirathi? | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On March 05 2013 00:01 zarepath wrote: I'm about ten pages away from being totally caught up, but that was the definition of a sheep case, Cora. When you're not quoting yourself for a case, you're quoting the dead... I'm going to see if you had any original thoughts about Hapa before this post. How do you reconcile your vote with the fact that Hapa was the first person to defend Adam on Duel 1, and one of the first to vote Keirathi? Zare are you going to take a side or are you going to blast me for taking one? Read the last few pages and you'll see what I've had to say on Hapa. | ||
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On March 05 2013 00:09 zarepath wrote: Um read my post I'm still 7 pages away from being caught up. I really hope you answer my question in those 7 pages or else this is going to look like a dodge from you. Seeing as you've dodged a third of the game I wouldn't be talking...even if you were busy there's no need to be hypocritical. | ||
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Sylencia
Australia1057 Posts
On March 04 2013 23:52 cDgCorazon wrote: Alright, well I've come to my decision. It was a tough one, so I decided to take a look at all of the veteran TLers who have flipped VT this game and see their thoughts: And the survey says... ##Vote: Hapa Also I cannot see any possible ways that Hapa's actions could be town-oriented. I could see Yamato's play being town a lot easier (still hard though) than Hapa's play. I don't have much to add to today's duel - the only point I can really add is that while you're using other opinions to decide your vote, can you really value marv's judgment as equal as others? He says it in his post himself - 'could be a bad start', seeing as how he was in the game for 24 hours where some people hadn't talked yet. Personally, I find Hapa's defense posts in day 3, his read on yamato during day 2 and yamato's duel-while-everyone-is-afk to really add up to a compelling argument for me to vote yam. On the other hand, considering day 1 and day 2 have resulted in a mafia lynching I don't see why yamato is actually just openly claiming that a lynch on him is ok to get more info. After reading the case on Hapa, I also find it to be rather weak - primarily the day 2 case on Hapa. The only compelling thing for me is the disappearance of Hapa during the later stages of that duel but I think the quotes provided don't make for a strong scum case against him. I'm going to be sleeping on this, but I don't honestly expect to be coming up with many miracle answers to this problem and in advance I'm going to apologize (primarily to Cora here) for being such a useless townie. On a side note, if we want to maximize our chances of winning, one of the next duels should result in a double lynch. (Town chooses kill today, Night Kill, Town, Town, Night, Town, Night, Town, Town) gives us 6 kills to choose from and 3 controlled by scum. This is different to Town, Night, Town, Night, Town, Night, Town, Town where we get 5 kills and they still get 3. tl;dr sometime during this duel or the next 2 duels, we have an extra spare lynch. This is assuming no vig/protection/thingswhichstop1NK. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On March 05 2013 00:26 Sylencia wrote: I don't have much to add to today's duel - the only point I can really add is that while you're using other opinions to decide your vote, can you really value marv's judgment as equal as others? He says it in his post himself - 'could be a bad start', seeing as how he was in the game for 24 hours where some people hadn't talked yet. Personally, I find Hapa's defense posts in day 3, his read on yamato during day 2 and yamato's duel-while-everyone-is-afk to really add up to a compelling argument for me to vote yam. On the other hand, considering day 1 and day 2 have resulted in a mafia lynching I don't see why yamato is actually just openly claiming that a lynch on him is ok to get more info. After reading the case on Hapa, I also find it to be rather weak - primarily the day 2 case on Hapa. The only compelling thing for me is the disappearance of Hapa during the later stages of that duel but I think the quotes provided don't make for a strong scum case against him. I'm going to be sleeping on this, but I don't honestly expect to be coming up with many miracle answers to this problem and in advance I'm going to apologize (primarily to Cora here) for being such a useless townie. On a side note, if we want to maximize our chances of winning, one of the next duels should result in a double lynch. (Town chooses kill today, Night Kill, Town, Town, Night, Town, Night, Town, Town) gives us 6 kills to choose from and 3 controlled by scum. This is different to Town, Night, Town, Night, Town, Night, Town, Town where we get 5 kills and they still get 3. tl;dr sometime during this duel or the next 2 duels, we have an extra spare lynch. This is assuming no vig/protection/thingswhichstop1NK. It's never too late to redeem yourself Syl. Who do you think is the last (hypothetical) scum assuming that Yamato and Hapa aren't bussing each other? | ||
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
On March 03 2013 09:35 Acrofales wrote: So yeah. I think the scum is Yamato+Zapa... with a stronger read on Zapa than on Yamato. Beer is happening after all. I'm in Brazil and everything just gets delayed. Then why are you voting for Hapa instead of Yamato? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18075 Posts
On March 05 2013 00:34 zarepath wrote: Then why are you voting for Hapa instead of Yamato? Thank god you're quoting me from before I spent all of sunday reading their filters and the game about 3 times. How long is it going to take you to catch up on those last 10 pages of the thread? | ||
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
On March 03 2013 22:56 Oatsmaster wrote: That was an easy decision to make. Why didnt you wait for hapa to respond? This is the crux of my problem with Yamato. Someone called him out for being all talk and no walk, and as if he's mostly concerned with his appearance, he talks up a lynch target and then duels them immediately without leaving any time for discussion (or defense). If you look at Yamato's filter, he himself brings up a deluge of reasons why this is incredibly anti-town when he first criticizes Adam for doing it (and then he votes Adam, only switching onto Keirathi to be the hammer). And in the middle of Day 1, Yamato tries to blame Iamp for confusing everything, and around Day 2 he wanted to duel Syl (not set up the Dieno/Syl lynch that town had pretty much agreed on). Yamato also promised reads on everyone, and ends up only giving an easy read that doesn't contribute to the town environment very much (Snarfs town) and then Zarepath=scum (and only after someone asking him specifically to do a read on me). For Yamato to redeem himself in my eyes, I would want to see his reads on every single player, as he promised a while ago, not simply individual reads in response to town ... I mean, how easy is it to sheep when you only have to post reads on the people others want you to? Where's the originality in thought there? He's also already martyring himself, saying he "doesn't care" if he gets lynched as long as it helps people like Adam learn to play better. If he's town, he should care a lot, especially because he was apparently so confident in his scum read that he DUELED HIM WITHOUT WAITING FOR A RESPONSE. He should be more concerned with persuading others that Hapa is scum than with persuading others that they shouldn't lynch him. ##Vote Yamato P.S. - Cora, I saw where you switched gears on yamato, but I didn't see anywhere where you specifically answered my question about how you reconcile Hapa's defense of Adam and early vote on Keir. I think if you're going to base your case almost entirely on the reputation of dead townies, I'm just trying to get you to think more about the ramifications of your read, and I think you really should consider that point if you're serious about your vote. It's a pretty strong town tell in retrospect after considering the Keirathi flip. | ||
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
On March 05 2013 00:42 Acrofales wrote: Thank god you're quoting me from before I spent all of sunday reading their filters and the game about 3 times. How long is it going to take you to catch up on those last 10 pages of the thread? Fair enough. I went back so far and pulled quotes of everything I thought was weird, and many of those things apparently no longer apply.  Sorry. | ||
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
On March 04 2013 11:23 yamato77 wrote: Adam hard-defending Hapa here real sketch Real. Sketch. That assumes Adam bused Keirathi Day 1, and that Hapa is scum. This is like a train of association cases, and you'd think Adam would be the closest thing we have right now to a confirmed town. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
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zarepath
United States1626 Posts
On March 05 2013 00:46 cDgCorazon wrote: We'll let the flip talk Zare, whether it's Yamato or Hapa. What does that even mean? We shouldn't bother breaking down our arguments to make sure they're rigorous before we lynch someone; we should just lynch someone and see if we were right? | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On March 05 2013 00:52 zarepath wrote: What does that even mean? We shouldn't bother breaking down our arguments to make sure they're rigorous before we lynch someone; we should just lynch someone and see if we were right? I've made my decision and you've made yours. Unless something crazy happens I'm not changing my mind. Do you really think Yamato's willingness to die is a scumtell? If his flip proves that Hapa is scum then I think dying would be worth it in all honesty... | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
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