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On March 03 2013 13:44 Adam4167 wrote:
Yeah fuck if I know why i'm alive.
You either orchestrated this night-kill to bring up this exact argument.
Or my read on you is wrong.
Something I'll have to ponder while we exterminate Yamato.
What does my alignment have to do with it being weird you're alive? Regardless of the scumteam (except if you're scum), this kill makes no sense. No offense to thrawn.
Guess I'll go over thrawn's filter and see if he had some read that diverged significantly from the mean. But that's a task for tomorrow. Good night everybody.
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I changed my mind,
I would like to lynch Zare and Yamato today.
Double lynch cause they are both scum.
Also I dont think its useful to read off the nightkill. Thrawn was never gonna get lynched and that is a perfectly good reason to kill someone.
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Alright, wasn't around yesterday stuff came up so apologies for that, and for voting out Dieno I have to thank you all.
On March 02 2013 13:24 cDgCorazon wrote:
I'm still sad that we did not double lynch. I really think we should've ended the Syl saga right there and then. There is nothing in his filter that says town to me. Refuting a weak argument is not a town action.
This all just screams of a purposely weak bus in order to give Syl some free town cred and give him a blank slate. I think Thrawn has the right idea in still putting the pressure on Syl.
However, Dieno has bought you some time Syl. Here is your chance to prove that you deserve the town cred Dieno has given you. Come up with some strong reads and perhaps my read on you can change. The ball is in your court in deciding whether we want to get past this or if you're going to distract us and drag us down again.
On March 02 2013 13:32 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2013 13:26 Oatsmaster wrote:
Cora.
How is syl scum with Dieno?
That is the thing im struggling with.
It does not make sense to put them both up because there is no upside for scum other than 'town cred'. Which is never gonna happen, especially with a player as scummy as Syl.
That said, I would like to see reads from Sylencia. Because we chose the Syl/Dieno lynch even before Kei's flip. It's quite possible that they had to choose one to take the fall and try to keep the other one alive. Syl would be the better choice to bus Dieno than the other way around because I was the main one attacking Syl and my standing within the town has been shaky. If Syl is scummy too why in the world did you not lynch them both? You guys are sitting here talking about how scummy Syl is when we just had his lynch on a silver platter and you guys said no. It's almost like you are all teasing me now... Either say Syl is scum and lynch him or tell me he's town. Not wanting to lynch your scum reads is scummy in itself.
Honestly, if anything it is you who has been distracting town time and time again by bringing up useless posts about me. You haven't done anything to town other than your ramblings day in and day out about how scummy I am - you're completely ignoring the rest of town in order to try push a lynch on me and the only time I've seen in the filter beyond this point you mentioning anything about anyone else is when they ask you about Yamato vs Acro.\
You asked this question to me in NMM37, so how about I ask you the same question: Who are your scum reads and why - excluding myself. Assuming there are 2 left, there should be at least 2 other people who are scummy, right? If you're going to argue about how I'm definitely scum and therefore shouldn't have to have 2 other reads - don't complain when I made a case on Sevryn (and was still looking at Warbaby) and you voted for me anyways.
On March 02 2013 14:27 cDgCorazon wrote:
God I'm sick of you allmyself being close-minded to a desperation attempt by scum scum read based purely on meta and your general dislike of me.
Seriously. This quote covers you perfectly, and your future quote about if I flip town it shows 'you won't stand for crappy town play' yet you've ignored every other lurker / low contributor such as Snarfs is hilarious.
As for the developments that happened overnight - is there a reason not to at least trust what thrawn said to do last night? As much as Cora would love for me to be dueling today, and I for him to have him dueling - is it not time for at least 2 others to be dueling to get more information there too? If we have the same people dueling day after day, we're limiting the information that we can get during the day and thus when it comes to late game and the limited number of people who have duel are all dead you're left with nothing to go off.
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People still want me dead?
I'm flattered you guys think I could do what I've done this game as mafia, but for real, I am town.
Will be posting that case on Hapa I promised sometime soon.
Or.... Right now.
On February 27 2013 04:13 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 04:10 Acrofales wrote:
Let me get this straight, Hapa: you think it's entirely possible Keir is town, but think killing him is the lesser of two evils? If you were a pardoner, would you consider stopping this lynch? Yes and yes. None of my top scumreads are on the block right now.
This is Hapa's official stance on the lynch day 1. He won't pick one and call them a bonafide scum read, he'll just call Adam town and lynch Keirathi based off that. This reeks of being extremely non-committal and basically just following thread sentiment, which was against Keirathi before the duel and only slightly shifted after the duel was called for. Town Hapa has balls. This Hapa does not.
On February 28 2013 15:54 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 15:45 thrawn2112 wrote:
hapa, who do you want to be in a duel and how do you propose to do it? and who would you duel yourself? My full proposition for tomorrow is this: I'd like Dieno and Sylencia to duel, unless one of them starts showing some significant townieness. I'd also like to double-lynch 'em by default and leave it up to them to prove that they're town individually. If one of them does, I'd add Corazon to the list. As for HOW we should go about that, well you can only start by asking nicely. If that doesn't work, we can probably force one of them to duel the other by threatening to have Adam duel one of them (which is basically a vigi-shot given that there's no sane way that Adam's scum). As for who I'd duel myself, I wouldn't duel period. I think my voting actions speak for themselves yesterday. I get that I'm less active than usual, but it should be obvious that I'm playing to town objectives. Nor do I get the sense that there's any support for me dueling tomorrow (besides iamp anyway). If you're asking for a top scumread - it's hard to differentiate between Dieno/Sylencia since they've both played nearly identical games. Put a gun to my head, and I'd say Dieno on the basis that Sylencia has a history of being lurky as town in some of his newbie games, whereas Dieno's town performance in CT was pretty darn active.
His stance that he never changes for the day 2 duel. Of note is that mafia dieno magically called for this very duel after Hapa posted this, and Hapa got to push this very agenda; one of killing both Dieno and Sylencia. Again, he takes no strong stances regarding the lynch.
On March 01 2013 09:29 Hapahauli wrote:
Oh Dieno pulled the trigger. That went easier than expected.
Anyway, by default I want you both dead. It's up to both of you to indvidiaully convince me that I'm wrong and that you're town.
Extremely odd coincidence, IMO, that Dieno calls for this duel. Hapa's response is also odd, that he felt the need to comment on it. Almost as if he knew it was going to happen, and planned this stance in advance...
On March 01 2013 14:36 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2013 14:27 thrawn2112 wrote:
i hate it tbh. but there seems to be no other sensible option.
that being said i'd like to know who you would vote for if you had to pick one. Dieno. Pretty sure I mentioned that before.
No vote backs this proclamation up. This is the problem with allowing people to sit on their asses with the "double lynch" stance, it lets mafia look townie while really doing nothing. I did a good job explaining this in my Acro case, and what Hapa is doing here is nearly a carbon copy, only the effort he puts into it is pathetically small, and I don't think town Hapa would avoid taking a side in this race.
On March 03 2013 08:26 Hapahauli wrote:
Anyway Yamato, this whole "HAPA IS MAFIA OMG" is nearly identical to the shit you pulled in British Mini Mafia.
You were Mafia, and suddenly a switch snapped and you were foaming out of the mouth that Mr.Cheesecake was scum beyond all rationality.
This is a bold-faced lie. I, as mafia, am tunnelly and completely irrational, because that's how people think I am as town. Have I played that way this game? My reads have certainly changed; it's basically what people have been attacking me for this whole game. While you may not believe the reasons I give for these changes, the fact remains that I have explained them as well as they needed explaining. For Hapa to compare this game to British is absurd. He's drumming up a scum read on me because thread sentiment is turning against me.
I want to duel Hapa today. If I'm in a duel, I'm dueling him, or someone is dueling me. Let it happen.
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##Duel Haphauli
He and Zare probably last two mafia. Everyone else is LIKELY to be town.
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That was an easy decision to make.
Why didnt you wait for hapa to respond?
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##Vote Yamato77
"Let's kill Acro!"
"Acro is town!"
Seriously?
Second of all, your read on Zare looked like you were trying to give a scumread on him without actually saying it. If you thought he was town, you would've said so. If you thought he was scum, you wouldn't be dueling Hapa. You would be trying to convince us that we should have a Zare/Hapa duel, not just randomly pulling the trigger.
This lynch is going to be easy...
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On March 03 2013 15:56 Sylencia wrote:
You asked this question to me in NMM37, so how about I ask you the same question: Who are your scum reads and why - excluding myself.
My post about Acro and Yamato has about a hundred times the scum hunting you've done in both this game and NMM 37, so I think it is your turn first.
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On March 04 2013 00:33 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2013 15:56 Sylencia wrote:
You asked this question to me in NMM37, so how about I ask you the same question: Who are your scum reads and why - excluding myself.
My post about Acro and Yamato has about a hundred times the scum hunting you've done in both this game and NMM 37, so I think it is your turn first.
No, your reads since you are here.
What benefit does town get by you withholding your reads because you want to piss off syl?
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On March 04 2013 00:50 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 00:33 cDgCorazon wrote:On March 03 2013 15:56 Sylencia wrote:
You asked this question to me in NMM37, so how about I ask you the same question: Who are your scum reads and why - excluding myself.
My post about Acro and Yamato has about a hundred times the scum hunting you've done in both this game and NMM 37, so I think it is your turn first. No, your reads since you are here. What benefit does town get by you withholding your reads because you want to piss off syl?
Then pressure Syl when he gets here for crying out loud.
I want to see Zare's vote. Yamato just implied he was scum without saying it. Zare has been lurking and taking very popular opinions this game. It really looks like scum blending in.
Elsewhere, Yamato spent and unnecessarily long time calling Snarfs town, and Snarfs called Yamato town basically because he was reciprocating Yamato's read. Snarfs also has been lurking and taking popular opinions, and has not done much scumhunting.
I think the votes here will be very telling for who is scum and who is not.
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You can bring up your issues with Syl postgame :D
I wish people would just come in and hammer this so we dont have to waste time on this lynch.
Zarepath, oh wow, is not an appropriate reaction.
Who is scum between Yamato and Hapa?
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I see absolutely no reason to rush into hammering Yamato. I think the duel is very weird and am trying to figure out whether the way that happened makes him more likely town or scum.
On March 03 2013 18:39 yamato77 wrote:
People still want me dead?
I'm flattered you guys think I could do what I've done this game as mafia, but for real, I am town.
<snip>
I want to duel Hapa today. If I'm in a duel, I'm dueling him, or someone is dueling me. Let it happen.
The first part of this post somewhat corresponds to what has been going through my mind since people have been thinking I'm scum and particularly this thought process has been making me want to duel someone. So I can fully understand Yamato taking this stance from a town perspective. So the fact that he dueled is unsurprising. Also the fact that he decided it made more sense to pick his own opponent.
Sure, he jumped the gun, but if he's town, this makes sense: he wants to duel someone he thinks is scum, not be dueled by someone he might have a town read on. I cannot make sense of this move as a scummer.
Another thing I can't make much sense of is why he backed down on me if he's scum. He had me pretty much where he wanted me. Adam, Snarfs and Alderan were all on board the Acro=scum train. It was starting to go places. Why flip that read?
However, everything I said in my night post also holds. There's a reason I would rather have seen Zapa get dueled. The way the duel happened is making me reconsider Yamato. Hammering him quickly without considering this kind of stuff seems stupid.
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On March 04 2013 01:28 Acrofales wrote:I see absolutely no reason to rush into hammering Yamato. I think the duel is very weird and am trying to figure out whether the way that happened makes him more likely town or scum. Show nested quote +On March 03 2013 18:39 yamato77 wrote:
People still want me dead?
I'm flattered you guys think I could do what I've done this game as mafia, but for real, I am town.
<snip>
I want to duel Hapa today. If I'm in a duel, I'm dueling him, or someone is dueling me. Let it happen. The first part of this post somewhat corresponds to what has been going through my mind since people have been thinking I'm scum and particularly this thought process has been making me want to duel someone. So I can fully understand Yamato taking this stance from a town perspective. So the fact that he dueled is unsurprising. Also the fact that he decided it made more sense to pick his own opponent. Sure, he jumped the gun, but if he's town, this makes sense: he wants to duel someone he thinks is scum, not be dueled by someone he might have a town read on. I cannot make sense of this move as a scummer. Another thing I can't make much sense of is why he backed down on me if he's scum. He had me pretty much where he wanted me. Adam, Snarfs and Alderan were all on board the Acro=scum train. It was starting to go places. Why flip that read?
However, everything I said in my night post also holds. There's a reason I would rather have seen Zapa get dueled. The way the duel happened is making me reconsider Yamato. Hammering him quickly without considering this kind of stuff seems stupid.
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EBWOP: Would you like to say anything in regards to my arguments against Yamato? It seems like you are ignoring my points.
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Acro, what do you hope to gain out of waiting?
So yamato isnt scum, is Hapa scum?
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Duel 3
yamato77 and Hapahauli are the duelists. Neither of them may vote.
If a majority is not reached in 48 hours from now by 17:19 GMT (+00:00), both duelists will be killed.
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If I addressed everything everybody said about everybody else, my filter would be even longer than it is now. I read your points. What I took away is that Yamato is not doing a proper job of explaining his thought process.
This means he's either town and not doing a proper job of explaining his thought process or he's scum and doesn't have a thought process beyond flinging suspicions around. Both are possible, but I saw no reason to comment on it before Yamato responds.
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Duel 3 Vote Count
yamato77 (2): Oatsmaster, cDgCorazon
Hapahauli (0):
5 votes needed to lynch. A little less than 48 hours left, until 17:19 GMT (+00:00)
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