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On March 04 2013 02:43 Acrofales wrote:
I get the feeling you're defaulting to Yamato being scum BECAUSE Hapa is town. That makes no sense to me.
As for Yamato's case, I really don't want to comment on it too much before Hapa gets back here to address it. I think it has some interesting points and I feel the whole situation merits discussion before we just jump in and lynch someone.
On March 04 2013 02:44 Acrofales wrote:
Oats: why are you against discussion?
"I really don't want to discuss anything, but why do you not want to discuss anything Oats?"
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On March 04 2013 03:16 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 02:45 cDgCorazon wrote:On March 04 2013 02:43 Acrofales wrote:
I get the feeling you're defaulting to Yamato being scum BECAUSE Hapa is town. That makes no sense to me.
As for Yamato's case, I really don't want to comment on it too much before Hapa gets back here to address it. I think it has some interesting points and I feel the whole situation merits discussion before we just jump in and lynch someone. On March 04 2013 02:44 Acrofales wrote:
Oats: why are you against discussion? "I really don't want to discuss anything, but why do you not want to discuss anything Oats?" Yeah, lets take cheap potshots twisting my words. I am happy to discuss pretty much everything, but there is a reason I want Hapa to comment on Yamato's case, because I can think of many different reasons for lots of the things he said. If Hapa is scum and we all go around making up reasons why Hapa did what he did, all he has to do is come into the thread and say "yeah, what Jimmy said is what I thought about that at the time". However, Oats seemed deadset on lynching Yamato before Hapa is even back in the thread. THAT is what I meant with avoiding discussion. Cora, what is your opinion of Hapa? And while we're at it, what do you think of Oats?
I'm pretty sure my vote shows my opinion of both Yamato and Hapa.
Oats is a bit more iffy for me. I've made some earlier posts attacking him earlier (middle of page 3 on my filter), but I pursued my read of Syl and kind of backed off on Oats. I'm thinking that he is a weak town read at best, a weak scum read at worst. However, this lynch is not about Oats. It's about Yamato and Hapa. Yamato has not addressed the arguments I made against him and decided to just go out and duel Hapa. What else can I say without him giving any rebuff to my arguments?
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@Yamato:
Explain:
-Your 180 on Acro
-Your unnecessarily long town read on Snarfs (basically, did you need to do that?)
-Your ambiguous read on Zare (is he scummy or not?)
-Your feeling to just duel Hapa without allowing him to refute your arguments.
Please and thank you.
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Well Yamato's well-reasoned defense and Acro's post have convinced me that I still need time to think about this decision:
##unvote
I'd like to point out that Hapa's two biggest arguments were with confirmed VT's (Iamp and Thrawn). He attacked them, and then randomly decided to back off of them for really silly reasons (iamp for no reason at all and Thrawn for one action he did during D1).
Part of me wants to think that Iamp, Marv and Thrawn were right. The other part wants time to think about it. Perhaps after Spanish homework...
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I think it would be likely that if another scum besides Dieno and Kei would've seen that their scumteam is probably going to be two less, they would play for the long run and try to bus their teammates early.
I don't think it's possible, I think that it is probable.
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On March 04 2013 10:34 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 10:26 cDgCorazon wrote:
I think it would be likely that if another scum besides Dieno and Kei would've seen that their scumteam is probably going to be two less, they would play for the long run and try to bus their teammates early.
I don't think it's possible, I think that it is probable. Funny you say "long-term" - I'm like the worst option for a long-term scum team member ever. In the last two scum games I've played, I've explicitly told my buddies to bus me early on the basis that there's rarely a good explanation for why I'd be alive in the late game.
Lol is that your defense?
First of all, why would another scum tell Kei and Dieno, players who had been pegged as scum 36 hours into the game, to bus them? That would accomplish nothing and the smallest association case could see that as a bus.
Pointing out the fact that you would be the worst option for a long-term scum member as a defense is scummy as well. Pointing to things that give you town cred is basically trying to wave a giant sign over your head saying "don't lynch me I'm obviously town".
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On March 04 2013 10:41 Hapahauli wrote:
Yeah, trying not to get mislynched is "scummy."
Way to not answer my first point.
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On March 04 2013 10:42 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 10:41 Hapahauli wrote:
Yeah, trying not to get mislynched is "scummy." Way to not answer my first point.
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Ok maybe I overreacted, way to not answer:
First of all, why would another scum tell Kei and Dieno, players who had been pegged as scum 36 hours into the game, to bus them? That would accomplish nothing and the smallest association case could see that as a bus.
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Well I think the arguments and play speak for themselves. I'll keep looking through filters and come to a vote soon.
There's not much else for me to say.
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On March 04 2013 10:48 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 10:46 cDgCorazon wrote:
Well I think the arguments and play speak for themselves. I'll keep looking through filters and come to a vote soon.
There's not much else for me to say. Well what's the argument? That it's possible that I double bussed, therefore I could be scum? That's just stupid.
I actually find this to be a great question. Let's hear an answer Hapa.
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T.T I messed up again...
On March 04 2013 10:45 Acrofales wrote:
One of you two is clearly getting lynched. Hypothetical scenario: we lynch Yamato and he flips town. Who is scum?
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So now you're going with only 3 scum Acro?
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On March 04 2013 11:33 cDgCorazon wrote:
So now you're going with only 3 scum Acro?
Oh I do apologize, I missed the part on Zare.
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On March 04 2013 11:38 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 11:26 cDgCorazon wrote:T.T I messed up again... On March 04 2013 10:45 Acrofales wrote:
One of you two is clearly getting lynched. Hypothetical scenario: we lynch Yamato and he flips town. Who is scum? [rant] Firstly, it is a stupid question. "Hmmm you have all these scumreads, but scrap them and give me new ones!" is an invitation to get uninformed bullshit rather than anything of substance. [/rant]
As for the answer, I don't have one. I think Yamato and Zape are the scumteam. IF Yamato somehow flips town, I'd probably take a look at you, Snarfs, and Alderan for the next one. That's probably what I'll do tomorrow during my lunch break. In the mean time, I'm not going to pull an answer out of my ass.
Me? Nice OMGUS.
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On March 04 2013 12:22 yamato77 wrote:
What do you guys gain as scum by killing me?
Tomorrow people will know I'm town anyway.
I'm not that invested in staying alive on this deal, I'm invested in finding mafia, and right now Adam looks insanely ridiculous to come in defending Hapa right now. But he might just be dead wrong about the both of us, so there's that.
What is most suspicious is the lack of ANYTHING from Zare. Dude is being called mafia by everyone in the game and he's all kinds of AFK, lol.
Not an actual defense for him but:
He's always busy Sundays. Like he never posts in the thread on Sundays.
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On March 04 2013 12:47 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 04 2013 12:43 Acrofales wrote:
Yamato: if we lynch Hapa and he flips town. Who, other than Zapa is scum? Maybe you, as I once thought. Maybe Corazon, since his balls seem to have gone missing today.
Oh fuck you Yamato.
Do you really want to see a me/Syl duel when you all tried your hardest to stop it?
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On March 04 2013 12:50 yamato77 wrote:
No, because there's no point. You're low on the totem pole, but the fact remains that you deserve a look if Hapa flips town.
You're the one who was so hasty to duel him. You'd be the first one to deserve a look.
Of course if you are so confident Hapa is scum why are you even mentioning the possibilities if he flips town?
Are you setting yourself up to bounce back from a mislynch?
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Alright, well I've come to my decision. It was a tough one, so I decided to take a look at all of the veteran TLers who have flipped VT this game and see their thoughts:
On March 03 2013 12:48 thrawn2112 wrote:
d3: lynch yamato.
if yamato flips scum then do whatever the hell you want. if yamato turns out to be town I think hapa and acro should be flipped next.
On February 26 2013 07:59 marvellosity wrote:
Ok, so I'm hoping deadline is about to happen. Here's what I think of people so far.
Probably town:
yamato - aggression, thread presence, decent reads, etc
People I'm a bit suspicious of:
Hapahauli - he's just done nothing to make me think he's town, and Hapa is very capable of coming across town. Like iamp mentions, defends himself too much instead of doing proactive things. *could* just be a bad start.
On February 28 2013 12:38 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 12:29 Adam4167 wrote:
No, that is called being unavailable.
How the hell is not being here 24/7 mafia motivated? its calling having a life outside this forum. hapa is in the same time zone as me. Hapa knows that playing mafia is a commitment hapa knows proving your towniness is important hapa knows that activity and discussion are how you catch mafia He has shown no interest in those things top it off with his shit start that was all defense and no scum hunting and the simple explanation is that hapa is mafia.
And the survey says...
##Vote: Hapa
Also I cannot see any possible ways that Hapa's actions could be town-oriented. I could see Yamato's play being town a lot easier (still hard though) than Hapa's play.
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On March 05 2013 00:01 zarepath wrote:
I'm about ten pages away from being totally caught up, but that was the definition of a sheep case, Cora. When you're not quoting yourself for a case, you're quoting the dead... I'm going to see if you had any original thoughts about Hapa before this post.
How do you reconcile your vote with the fact that Hapa was the first person to defend Adam on Duel 1, and one of the first to vote Keirathi?
Zare are you going to take a side or are you going to blast me for taking one? Read the last few pages and you'll see what I've had to say on Hapa.
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