EPTOn March 02 2013 06:08 Acrofales wrote:
You act as if changing your playstyle is easy.
You act as if changing your playstyle is easy.
I'm pretty sure actually trying to post and trying to scumhunt is not a hard thing to do...
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Corazon
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I'm pretty sure actually trying to post and trying to scumhunt is not a hard thing to do... | ||
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Corazon
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On March 02 2013 06:17 Acrofales wrote: Tell that to... oh, I dunno. Grush. Some people never change. I just don't understand why everyone says they think Syl is scummy and then when it comes time to vote they don't even want to vote for him... Obviously Dieno is playing really scummy too but a double lynch is still an option. | ||
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Corazon
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On March 02 2013 07:43 Acrofales wrote: In fact, that whole Zarepath post makes me think he's scum and wants to steer this ship into a double mislynch. But lets verify that by killing Dieno. 1. The reads don't add up. Firstly he says he prefers Dieno. Why? He's been after Sylencia's blood all game, yet somehow before the duel started his strongest scumread flipped to Dieno. And something since the duel started has made him less sure of Dieno. It just all seems like a hastily thrown together justification for wanting to double-lynch. There is no reasoning and it doesn't add up with his earlier ideas. 2. "We'd know exactly who to look at from there". Lets say we double-lynch and they both flip town. Honestly, it would rock my world way too much and I have no clue who I'd look at. Except now Zarepath. The whole post reaks of scum trying to justify being absent all day and needing to come up with the vagues possible reason to throw his weight behind a lynch. This is true regardless of what colour Dieno flips. The post just screams scum. It screams "I don't care what happens with this lynch". That is scummy even if Dieno is scum, because with the thread sentiment it's clear he cannot save Dieno. And I'm not scummy for wanting a double lynch? | ||
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Corazon
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No not really, I've kind of grouped him in with the other two when it comes to their play (especially the lurking). But the fact that you think he's scummy for wanting a double lynch and that I'm not scummy for wanting a double lynch is a bit inconsistent. However, you probably have good reasons for it. If you only lynch Dieno are you going to just ignore me and Syl and go after Zare next? | ||
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Corazon
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+ Show Spoiler + On February 28 2013 15:31 Hapahauli wrote: People Who Voted Adam (Sylencia +Dienosaur) They've played almost identically so far: they've done a whole lot of nothing in the early game, then plopped an early vote on Adam at the beginning of the voting cycle, then proceeded to do much of nothing until now. They're both lurkers who haven't made any significant commitments and had their vote in awful places. I want both of them to duel tomorrow, and I'd push for a double-lynch unless I get convinced that one of them is town. People who SWITCHED from Adam to Kei (Yamato + Oatsmaster + Corazon) Corazon Pretty simple. Starts the day off on Adam: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=398360¤tpage=38#747 Then spends a lot of time going after Syl. What's notable, is that Corazon really never bothers to analyze Kei's filter. His attitude on Kei is one of neutrality and hesitation: Eventually when opinions of the town start to shift, Corazon arrives at the idea that both Adam and Kei are town... due to Sylencia's vote on Adam?!?!?!? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=398360¤tpage=48#956 He argues that Sylencia being non-committal makes both of them not scum, which makes zero sense. It's not scumhunting, it's a complete cop-out from doing any analysis Then shortly after, there's his vote post: Why would a townie care about "posturing" for tomorrow? A townie wants to hunt and kill scum. I don't think he's talking about "posturing" of other townies either, since he mentions an agenda. This also makes no sense - why would Kei flipping town set back his agenda of lynching Syl? In fact Kei flipping town would seemingly confirm his theory that Syl's indecision = both Adam/Kei are town. So Corazon's actions line up with mafia objectives, and his switch onto Kei is very suspect. He never gives a strong opinion on Kei, and his vote-post is nonsensical. On March 01 2013 04:07 Acrofales wrote: Cora: the early impression I got that he was actively trying to figure stuff out is kinda gone. He falls in the group of people who are wishy-washy on the lynch vote. He wants to kill Adam, but thinks both are probably town. However, I really disliked his answer to why he was voting alongside his strongest scumread. If you have a town read on both and a scumread on your fellow voter, why not switch to the other townie (unless he thought Sylencia was bussing)? Now that that other guy has flipped red, it looks pretty bad. Sylencia: would have been surefire scum, but I can't shake the feeling that he's just lurky town caught on the wrong end of the lynch. He needs to be forced into the spotlight, and I think he'll show red. However, it is very hard to discern his playstyle this game from his play last game, where he was town. IMPORTANT: Sylencia and Cora are not scum together. There is no way they have set up this double bus, given Sylencia's activity level and the early death of Keirathi. On March 01 2013 01:58 zarepath wrote: Honestly, based just off of votes, scum likelihood from my perspective is like this (in descending order): Dienosore Sylencia Corazon | ||
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Corazon
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On March 02 2013 09:27 Acrofales wrote: Cora, move on. Everybody else has. Shit gets reevaluated all the time. Lets assume Dieno flips scum. You think Syl is also scum. That leaves one more. Who is the last scum? Are we also assuming there is 4 scum? | ||
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Corazon
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Well Zare is someone I've grouped in with Sylencia and Dieno when it comes to play (as I've said before), but I feel like I need to reevaluate everyone else before I go on the record with any other suspicions. It would be too easy if all the scum were playing terrible games. | ||
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Corazon
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On March 02 2013 10:27 Acrofales wrote: Why is Zare and his 5-page filter grouped in with the people lurking so hard you can't get a read on them (and I'd say Dieno is readable, it's just a scum read)? His "5 pages" consist of a lot of one-liner posts and one-liner questions. However, there's a reason I don't have him in my top two scum reads, and that is because his play has improved a decent amount since his lurking phase. However, his posts haven't had a great sense of direction either. He said that Adam is scummy for calling the duel on Kei so early, and then says that he does not see any scum motivation in Adam's actions. His main form of scumhunting has also been two list posts, which does not really help the town at all. His reads are also based on the flavors of the day (Dieno, Syl, me. Just like everyone else), which really has me suspicious that he is just trying to blend in and look townie. However, this lynch is still about Syl and Dieno, so we shouldn't spend too much time posturing on people outside of the lynch. Who knows, this could still go on for awhile if enough people are into a double lynch still. | ||
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Corazon
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On March 02 2013 10:49 Oatsmaster wrote: What more do you want to discuss about Syl and Dieno if they arent in the thread? Well would you like to get so ahead of ourselves that we decide the next duel before we finish this one? | ||
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Corazon
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Corazon
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This all just screams of a purposely weak bus in order to give Syl some free town cred and give him a blank slate. I think Thrawn has the right idea in still putting the pressure on Syl. However, Dieno has bought you some time Syl. Here is your chance to prove that you deserve the town cred Dieno has given you. Come up with some strong reads and perhaps my read on you can change. The ball is in your court in deciding whether we want to get past this or if you're going to distract us and drag us down again. | ||
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Corazon
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On March 02 2013 13:26 Oatsmaster wrote: Cora. How is syl scum with Dieno? That is the thing im struggling with. It does not make sense to put them both up because there is no upside for scum other than 'town cred'. Which is never gonna happen, especially with a player as scummy as Syl. That said, I would like to see reads from Sylencia. Because we chose the Syl/Dieno lynch even before Kei's flip. It's quite possible that they had to choose one to take the fall and try to keep the other one alive. Syl would be the better choice to bus Dieno than the other way around because I was the main one attacking Syl and my standing within the town has been shaky. If Syl is scummy too why in the world did you not lynch them both? You guys are sitting here talking about how scummy Syl is when we just had his lynch on a silver platter and you guys said no. It's almost like you are all teasing me now... Either say Syl is scum and lynch him or tell me he's town. Not wanting to lynch your scum reads is scummy in itself. | ||
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Corazon
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On March 02 2013 13:35 Oatsmaster wrote: Yes he is scummy, but is he scum? I dont think that scum wouldve felt that way. At all. Think about it. If you were in the scumteam. You woud think of, hey lets put up our 2 scummier players and let the scummiest one initiate the duel. Hopefully they dont double lynch or still think that Syl is scummy after it. Doesnt make sense right? With probably half the scum team gone, association cases are valid. Don't call it scummy, call it bad town then. If you want to resort to association cases, are you going to come out and say I'm scum? | ||
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Corazon
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On March 02 2013 13:36 thrawn2112 wrote: Mafia zare, syl For all of you asking why syl could be mafia..... well why not? The entire thread was screaming for them to duel each other, do you really think that two scum won't duel each other if you yell at them enough? And Syl's play has definitely not improved during the duel. In fact dieno probably put more of an effort in once the duel started. Syl still doesn't have reads.... etc. Just read any page of Cora's filter and you will get a good idea of why lynching syl is stilla good idea. THRAWN I LOVE YOU | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On March 02 2013 13:45 Acrofales wrote: Fixing that for you, thrawn: Town adam, Thrawn, Aldeeran, Oats, Corazon, Syl WTF Hapa, Snarfs, yamato Mafia zare God I can't believe you're letting Dieno fool you... | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On March 02 2013 13:48 Oatsmaster wrote: Ok Cora, lets say you are the 3rd scum member. What is the upside of this plan? It doesnt make syl look better with the way he played, it doesnt make you better(possibly), and a scum would definetly get lynched. There is no upside. So you believe Syl and I have the same alignment? | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On March 02 2013 13:48 Oatsmaster wrote: Ok Cora, lets say you are the 3rd scum member. What is the upside of this plan? It doesnt make syl look better with the way he played, it doesnt make you better(possibly), and a scum would definetly get lynched. There is no upside. If it doesn't make Syl look better, than he's scum. Seriously Oats tell me you think he's town. Don't give me this "he's scum but he's town" crap. | ||
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Corazon
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"Syl is scum but he's not" "Cora is town but he's not" Make up your fucking mind. | ||
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