EPTThat flip eases the pain, ever so slightly.
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That flip eases the pain, ever so slightly. | ||
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You two are going to have to work together to finish this tomorrow. | ||
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More than half the thread wanted me dead right here. I cannot reconcile this post with the scum teams desires. No way in hell this is a bus. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17895645 Stands firmly against the double lynch. Why not kill me and Keirathi both if hes scum and bussing? at least grab an erratic townie for your efforts. | ||
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On March 02 2013 11:16 thrawn2112 wrote: yep ##Vote: Dienosore syl goes up for lynch tomorrow regardless of what dieno flips If he is going up for another duel tomorrow, why not just kill him there and then and not gift the scum team an extra night-kill? I can see why someone would take that as suspicious. Still doesn't change my read on you either. Continually redirecting people back onto Keirathi when they were getting hung up on my meta was townie as fuck. | ||
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On March 02 2013 16:28 thrawn2112 wrote: bussing all of your teammates instantly would be the only smart way for mafia to survive this game. everyone had been calling dieno and keir scum since their first posts. I dispute this point. Two people were calling Deino town and 'top 4 town' at the end of N0. Go filter dive if you cant remember who they were. They're the two last scum by the way. | ||
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There's no way in hell I'm seeing another cycle, so full cases will come when I get home in a couple hours. Those two are scum. Everyone needs to put their disagreements aside and kill them first. | ||
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On February 25 2013 09:12 yamato77 wrote: That's so absurdly dumb and wrong I am almost certain you're mafia. All I've said the whole time is that I don't think it's going to work, and that I'll be there to fix the problem if it doesn't. Many times I have said I am not messing with the policy itself unless I feel like it isn't working. What about that is so difficult to understand, Acro? On February 25 2013 09:18 yamato77 wrote: When I read that post I see Marv buddying and misrepresentation of my stance on the matter. Hilariously scummy. Scummiest thing posted yet. These comments were directed at Acro. Yamato is almost certain he's mafia - defining him as hilariously scummy and 'scummiest thing posted yet'. And that's the last we hear from Yamato on Acro until Yamato makes his 'big list of reads' post: + Show Spoiler + On February 25 2013 16:37 yamato77 wrote: For reference, I'm going to post my list of reads of the game right now. I don't really care if people think I'm right or wrong, but I'll include most relevant alignment indicative information to go along with it. TOWN Town criteria vary from person to person, and a lot of quick town reads I get are based on meta or simple activity in conjunction with meta. For some players, these things don't apply so much, so I judge them based on reads. You guys can figure out which ones of these I get how, because I hate telling people why I have a town read on them, in general. Marv Corazon Adam Iamp Dienosore Oats NULL These players either haven't posted enough or are posting things that don't give me an alignment feel of them. Obviously. Snarfs Acrofales <----- Look at this right here Keirathi Zarepath Alderan Sylencia Lots of lurky fuckers so far this game and one ambiguous dude. MAFIA HAPA A lot of his early posting was devoted to arguing with me about the setup, which many people did, but the way he did it bothered me, and it is exemplified in this post. He parroted Marvellosity a lot and generally tried to follow him. Example: First he makes this post, asking Marv to expand on Cora, and Marv does. What is interesting here is Hapa's next move: He begins a line of questioning with Cora, presumably with a negative attitude toward him. How does he follow up? Meekly. So far a lot of his posting is this kind of thing, where he mildly scolds a player (myself, Corazon, etc) for doing something vaguely anti-town. He doesn't seem particularly interested in finding mafia, just with appearing to do so with vague questions that he never really pushes, such as this: He comments on things in people's play, but I haven't seen him make a real comment about alignment aside from iamperfection yet this game, and I'm not at all sold on that idea. I don't believe Hapahauli is concerned with finding mafia, but I do think he's doing a particularly good job blending in by asking a lot of questions and being mildly active. His mafia meta is somewhat close to this, if I remember Dessert correctly, so I'm interested to see how it develops. So far, he's been different from the town-leader Hapahauli that I am used to seeing. THRAWN Mostly a meta read, to be honest. In Normal Mini IV, iamperfection accurately categorized thrawn's mafia play as lurky, and successfully lynched him on that idea. So far he's been fairly lurky, and what he has posted doesn't exactly inspire confidence in me with the idea that he's town. His biggest interaction is with Oats, and I don't see where he reaches any sort of conclusion about Oats in it. Also of note is his "scum read" on iamp, which he has wholly failed to justify beyond: and To me, that's not exactly evidence of strong scumhunting. Perhaps time will flesh this out, but right now I'm not impressed. Anyway, it's early and a bunch of people have yet to post but that's where I sit right now. I'm going to bed. I'll be sporadically active the next couple of days, but I'll have enough time to catch some mafia for sure. Acro, who hours earlier was 'the scummiest thing in the thread so far', is now 'Null' for apparently not posting enough alignment indicative stuff. He then goes on to build a case against Hapa and Thrawn instead. Also notice something I pointed out earlier, his town read on Dieno. He never mentions Dieno besides asking him 'any reads will do', yet he's happy to give him a town read after that abortion of a first post and the way he reacted to my pressure? I just cant buy that hes got this read so wrong. Dieno was textbook new-scum and it was damn obvious because literally half the thread dove on his first post shortly after he posted it. He then lightly attacks Acro again: On February 26 2013 03:06 yamato77 wrote: I will admit, Acro's posting in response to me calling for Hapa to duel is out of place. He disagrees with me, but seemingly still believes Hapa is mafia for his own reasons. It's odd that he feels he needs to cut me off there. And again, does not follow this up, instead switching back to attacking Hapa, before shifting focus to my discussion with Keirathi. Then comes his well documented back flip on his read on me, which I explained earlier in my reads post during D1. I suspect the scum team were trying to get Keirathi and Thrawn into a duel, as many people had scum reads on them both, hoping to swing it onto Thrawn and secure a mislynch. I shit that plan up, forcing him to flip his read. | ||
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I have never not had a town read on Sylencia. Why would I let you kill someone I have a town read on. | ||
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What incentive does a newbie scum have telling a mental-box townie to curb his aggression since "the game isn't all about his reads". Hes telling me to stop being an idiot before I get myself mislynched, what scum is going to tell you to stop acting in a manner that is more likely to get you lynched. Short of him copying a scum role-pm into the thread and claiming mafia, I wasn't changing that read. | ||
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On March 03 2013 00:44 Oatsmaster wrote: Wait why Acro? Also Cora. You dont get to be a hero when you criticized it earlier. So please bring it back after we mislynch like 2 times. Sometimes, I wonder if you read anything I post. He gave a town read on Dieno. TOP 4 TOWN READ. Acro is better than that. The Acro that just steamrolled CT mafia isnt giving a TOP 4 TOWN READ to someone making posts like Dieno was. Its just not happening. | ||
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Take a close look at what happened right after Keirathi flips red, discussion turns to who should be in the next duel. Thrawn says: On February 28 2013 06:52 thrawn2112 wrote: and yeah I think I also want the deino vs slyencia duel Deino/Syl: Do either of you think the other person deserves to be lynched and would you be willing to duel them? To which Acro replies: On February 28 2013 06:58 Acrofales wrote: I prefer Zare/Sylencia. Zare looks REALLY terrible with the Keir flip. Trying to sub his scummy teammate out of the duel. I never thought Zarepath looked that bad after the Keirathi flip, so moving him above Deinosore in the 'to be duelled' queue caught my attention, keeping in mind that Dienosore has just posted this: On February 27 2013 11:33 Dienosore wrote: Late day at the office. Got back about an hour ago and caught up on the thread. I promised an investigation into the duelers, so here it is. Adam4167 + Show Spoiler + Timeline: - immediately busts into the thread with a vigilante disposition and challenges me to a duel. - begins to argue with marv - cuts me down - prods Corazon a few times, calls him uninteresting, then drops him - tells Zarepath he's given out reads on several players, when actually he has done very little other than accuse me of scum and clear Corazon. - clears Oats - supports Thrawn/Keir duel. - threatens Keir with a duel - clears Thrawn - defends his stance a bit more, then snaps a duel on Keir - general posturing, says his mafia meta is lurky and passive, calls Yamato delusional - reinforces that his play isnt mafia motivated a few times. - outright claims town Summary: I have to admit that I am a bit biased due to our previous interactions, but I can't shake the feeling that this guy is scum. He seems to be trying to cause as much chaos as possible, then once all the shit has been slung, reinforces over and over again that he is town. He also seems to be exclusively picking on the Keirathi + Show Spoiler + Timeline: - disagrees with Thrawn's stance to just 'let things happen as they will' - says Thrawn is currently his biggest scumread - puts suspicion on Adam due to his rogue bravado - tries to advance our dueling policy - says he is willing to duel Thrawn - argues a bit more with Adam about dueling policy - gets called out by Adam - general defending Summary: As I said earlier, I was completely surprised by Adam snapping on Keir. I've gone through Keir's filter a few times since the duel was called, but I still can't find anything that sticks out as obviously scum motivated. Other than a bit of back and forth banter mostly discussing dueling policy, he has kept a relatively low profile. The only real aggression shown has been directed towards a scummy looking Thrawn. It's true his activity has been a little slow, but not so much that I'd see any reason to raise any alarms. Overall, I'd say he has been playing it overly safe, if anything. So with that, I feel compelled to cast my vote now. Considering how the game started, I don't think it's going to surprise anyone. ##Vote: Adam4167 So not only is Dienosore not his prime candidate, he's bumped him back as far as -at least- 3rd highest to be duelled. Keeping in mind that Keirathi has flipped red only minutes earlier, making Dieno look AWFUL. Acro then wastes what literally must have taken hours putting together a case on Zarepath, finds it unconvincing and then posts it anyway, along with dismantling Zarepaths case against Keirathi, a completely pointless exercise that only serves to say 'hey guys, I'm doing stuff, see?'. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17900561 I've written probably a dozen cases in my mafia-playing career that I've found unconvincing and I've posted exactly zero of them. What townie wants to fill the thread with shit that they never intend to act upon, nor mention again? It is blatant padding. Acro finally caves on his 'dieno is cute and i like maps' read shortly after this, realizing it is hopeless trying to save him. If Acro is scum then why was he pushing for a double-lynch when Adam and Keirathi were in a duel? I hear you saying. Simple. He couldn't back out of his 'Keirathi is scum' read from N0 without taking an epic amount of heat. In fact I think he was probably considering it right about here: On February 27 2013 12:34 Acrofales wrote: Fine, I'm happy killing you. Now all that's left to figure out is whether I really want to kill Keirathi as well or not. But decided it would still draw too much heat after keirathi's eventual flip, which was unavoidable, so he bussed him further: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17894289 | ||
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On March 03 2013 01:24 Acrofales wrote: Fine, I'll duel yamato and you can kill both of us. I trust Adam to ride this game out to victory anyway. Just lynch Zare after I'm dead. Yep, works for me. I'd kill him if one of you two flipped town. | ||
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Follow the plan. | ||
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Kill them both. | ||
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Otherwise, ill probably just go one of them. | ||
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