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thrawn2112
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1) both scum. this is dumb but if it's true then it's not a possibility worth worrying about. win-win 2) both town. if this is the case then we are fucked either way. lose-lose 3) one town, the other scum. win-lose Option 3 is the only option worth worrying about. If 1 is true, it's a win-win and if 2 is true we're in a lose-lose. So there's not much use in considering either option as a real possibility. 1/2 might be true but in either case there's nothing we can do about it. So now we are in a position where it makes sense that for the rest of the cycle, we might as well at least assume that only one of them is likely to be scum. Don't place your votes based on which option you think is the lesser of two evil, I want reasons for why the person you're voting for has a higher chance to flip scum than the other. Which explanation makes more sense: A townie haves an emotional omgus reaction and duels his accuser or a mafia player making a similar omgus styled play? Then you have to look at each of their filters. Even if you like keir's point about adam's possible self-promotion, you cannot ignore that it's all keir has talked about. He's said a few things about how I wasn't playing up to my town meta, and lately he's said that I've been hopping around on thread sentiment. These points are lazy and anyone could make them. And those 2 'reads' are keir's entire contribution to the game thus far. I am having a hard time believing that out of all the things that have happened in the thread, an early meta read on me and the tunneling of a single point about adam is all he would be able to come up and be suspicious of if he were town. | ||
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imo keir is the only sensible lynch and i'm having a hard time understand all these arguments that say otherwise. (cept for double lynch, but really only as a backup plan in case nobody will only lynch keir. the arguments concerning double lynching don't really have much to do with whether keir or adam is more likely to be scum, just that statistically it might be a better move than one lynch) there is only one thing that makes me concerned to lynch keir and that's how easily and peacefully hapa voted for keir. but we can deal with that later | ||
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On February 27 2013 08:49 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont know thrawn, your points seem to be meta related, but keir isnt lurky as scum either. The point is that they are both not playing to their own metas, but scum Adam has so much more to gain from this duel. it's not meta related if his play here doesn't match up with his town or scum play. I'm not making a meta case, I'm making a "what has keir done this game?" case. the issue is that what's he's brought forth in terms of scumhunting so far has been extremely lackluster. ffs, he's only mentioned 2 players this whole time.... look at his filter. He ONLY talks about adam/thrawn. For both reads, he's been repeating himself for awhile now. Look at times he talks to players that aren't thrawn/adam... does he look suspicious of them? Everything he says that doesn't relate to his thrawn/adam reads is said in the most neutral and non inflammatory manner possible. In fact even when he's talking to either thrawn/adam, I can barely detect suspicion in those posts. he's not really scumhunting, he doesn't sound suspicious in general, and the two things he claims to be most suspicous of are either pretty trivial in the grand scheme of things (the single point about adam) or ridiculously easy statements to make (lurking thrawn meta read) | ||
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On February 27 2013 10:00 Sylencia wrote: To sleep? I went off at 12am... I don't really understand why there's such a need to announce everything you're doing. In any case, if you're asking that were you going to follow up with a question? It's not like I'm incapable of reading a question you post in advance... syl can you answer my question from earlier: On February 26 2013 19:00 thrawn2112 wrote: syl why isn't keir scummy to you? what's so surprising about people wanting to lynch him? | ||
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why did you shoot keir right then and therre? why not dino? any scum reads you have outside of those too would also help. | ||
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On February 27 2013 11:23 zarepath wrote: Ok thrawn here with a baby on my lap. what do you want i wanna know why it's so hard to tell what you really think about the upcoming lynch. you said a bunch of stuff about how you hate the duel, how neither adam or keir are suspicious enough to be lynched on their own... but you also made a big case against adam and called him "really scummy." yet you aren't voting for him? wtf are your actual motivations? | ||
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On February 27 2013 11:33 Dienosore wrote: Keirathi + Show Spoiler + Timeline: - disagrees with Thrawn's stance to just 'let things happen as they will' - says Thrawn is currently his biggest scumread - puts suspicion on Adam due to his rogue bravado - tries to advance our dueling policy - says he is willing to duel Thrawn - argues a bit more with Adam about dueling policy - gets called out by Adam - general defending Summary: As I said earlier, I was completely surprised by Adam snapping on Keir. I've gone through Keir's filter a few times since the duel was called, but I still can't find anything that sticks out as obviously scum motivated. Other than a bit of back and forth banter mostly discussing dueling policy, he has kept a relatively low profile. The only real aggression shown has been directed towards a scummy looking Thrawn. It's true his activity has been a little slow, but not so much that I'd see any reason to raise any alarms. Overall, I'd say he has been playing it overly safe, if anything. ##Vote: Adam4167 You were "completely surprised by Adam snapping on Keir." You looked at keir's filter and couldn't find anything scum-motivated. Are you fucking serious? How could you possibly not be suspicious of keir, regardless of what you think about adam? | ||
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On February 27 2013 11:33 Dienosore wrote: Keirathi + Show Spoiler + Timeline: - disagrees with Thrawn's stance to just 'let things happen as they will' - says Thrawn is currently his biggest scumread - puts suspicion on Adam due to his rogue bravado - tries to advance our dueling policy - says he is willing to duel Thrawn - argues a bit more with Adam about dueling policy - gets called out by Adam - general defending Summary: As I said earlier, I was completely surprised by Adam snapping on Keir. I've gone through Keir's filter a few times since the duel was called, but I still can't find anything that sticks out as obviously scum motivated. Other than a bit of back and forth banter mostly discussing dueling policy, he has kept a relatively low profile. The only real aggression shown has been directed towards a scummy looking Thrawn. It's true his activity has been a little slow, but not so much that I'd see any reason to raise any alarms. Overall, I'd say he has been playing it overly safe, if anything. anyone. Here are your main points about keir, taken from that bottom paragraph: "Other than a bit of back and forth banter mostly discussing dueling policy, he has kept a relatively low profile" "The only real aggression shown has been directed towards a scummy looking Thrawn" "Overall, I'd say he has been playing it overly safe, if anything." Those things are not suspicious? wtf | ||
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that dienosore is hella scummy for not being suspicious of obviously scummy keir. keir's actual alignment probably doesn't even factor into it. town dienosore should not be looking at someone who hardcore lurked and only introduced 1 unique point to the thread and seeing them as not scummy. | ||
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On February 27 2013 12:01 Dienosore wrote: Maybe I am blind and have been missing something, but why is Keir obviously scummy? I'm not trying to argue here, I'm just looking for an honest discussion. If you have a good reason why Keir should be shot over Adam, I'm all ears. As it stands now, I just don't see it. keir has done fuck all this game........ that is something which is generally regarded as suspicious behavior. his only 2 reads so far are on 1) Adam: this read is entirely based on that one issue of whether not adam is maliciously trying to gain town cred 2) thrawn: he's only supported this read with meta. it is not very difficult for anyone to call out a lurker. when I called hiim out asking him to duel, he said he would but he didn't seem enthusiastic or eager to do so.... which if were town, thinking that I'm scum, he would be eager to duel his scum read | ||
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On February 27 2013 12:03 zarepath wrote: @Thrawn: It's pretty clear why I didn't vote for Adam -- I explain it right at the end of my post. Because this format works off instant majority and not a time frame, there is no way to unvote out of a majority should something big come up that shakes everything up. I would rather wait for everyone to chime in before I place my actual vote, because if I contribute to an instant majority, I basically let half of town get out of this entire cycle without having to make a stake on anything. So yes, my vote will be on Adam, but not yet. zare if you are town, remember the most recent newbie. what happens when people are scared to vote and to push their reads? 3 vote lynches happen. You are obviously nowhere near hammering adam so there's no need for you to wait on the thread first. If adam has 6 votes and you're scared he might get hammered prematurely you can always remove your vote. there's no reason not to vote unless you are the hammer vote. | ||
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On February 27 2013 12:14 zarepath wrote: Is Keir more scummy than Sylencia or Snarfs? And can't you say the exact same thing about Adam -- he basically only had 2 reads, and they were Dieno and Keir? this is 100% beside the point. sylencia and snarfs are not getting lynched today so I don't know what point you're trying to prove. and noo...... you cannot honestly try to compare adam's filter with keir's filter to see who is scumhunting and say keir is doing an equal or better job than adam. | ||
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On February 27 2013 12:16 Acrofales wrote: The main question is: is Dieno capable of making coherent cases? I was looking over PU and it is the worst possible game to try and read back into. It is clear from his filter that Risen, at least, was not convinced by his scumhunting. Nevertheless, his reads when he died were on 3 scum. The 3 completely obvious scums, but scum all the same. If I recall from CT, his maps were not useful, but he was actively analysing in a coherent manner and not missing obvious shit like Keirathi being virtually AFK. Insofar as I know, Dieno has never rolled scum. It could be as simple as that. I don't have a problem with dieno looking at kei/adam and deciding that adam is the scummier one. The problem is when he summarizes keir's play as lurky, safe, etc and doesn't seem to be the least bit suspicious. | ||
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On February 27 2013 12:25 cDgCorazon wrote: Sylencia are you ever going to come here and be active? My patience has run out on you. It's obvious that you are not trying to improve your game and that you really do not care about the lynch. You are dodging questions and not helping town at all. You're scum just sitting here and letting us kill each other off. Your lack of a read gives me the feeling that there are two townies up on the block, and that you are just choosing one to not look indecisive. Your answers to my arguments are subpar, and your lurking is unacceptable. corazon you're scum aren't you. i really hope you are. | ||
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1) you were willing to support the kei/thrawn lynch while having nothing useful written about either of them 2) now you are calling both of the lynch candidates town. that is not how you decide who to lynch... you have to decide which of the candidates are scummier. the question of "who out of adam/keir is most likely scum" is not a conversation that you've shown any real interest in so far. | ||
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