This Town Ain't Big Enough Mafia - Page 2

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

February 25 2013 11:30 GMT

#359

the only likely outcome of his (false) dichotomy is that hapa is scum. but if that is the logical conclusion of the reasoning he's using I think he'd be acting more accusatory of hapa.

the point is that it's a really strange argument to present, it leads to a (likely) singular conclusion that he doesn't mention, and the whole pretense (1 of hapa/thrawn is town and the other is scum) isn't based on anything. He's assuming that one of us is wrong because we're town, and the other one is right because they're scum.. why would he use this assumption as his starting point?

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

February 25 2013 17:27 GMT

#438

what does anyone think about asking hapa to be one of the duelists

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

February 25 2013 17:33 GMT

#440

i think it's a good idea. if he gets to decide who to duel at the end of the cycle

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

February 25 2013 17:38 GMT

#443

as town he'd be a good player to pick the main lynch candidate. if he's not town then we can lynch him instead

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

February 25 2013 17:40 GMT

#445

i'm assuming that we are going to wait till deadline before someone calls out a duel

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

February 25 2013 18:01 GMT

#461

lol so everyone is calling hapa scum but they don't want him as a potential lynch candidate?

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

February 25 2013 18:23 GMT

#471

The main problem I have with Acro's filter is he rarely comes to conclusions about who is scum. In general the longer his posts are, the less they actually say about his reads. He mostly argues with people and he either doesn't come to a conclusion on his read, or calls them town.

and it does seem weird that hapa is his scum read yet he's unwilling/unmotivated to lynch him

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

February 26 2013 00:30 GMT

#545

some of my earlier reads are now the opposite of what they were

i'm pretty sure that iamp/yamato/oats are town

I think there is probably scum among hapa/acro and i think it's way more likely that acro is scum

there are a few low contribution players I don't like but chief among them is zarepath

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

February 26 2013 04:13 GMT

#597

On February 26 2013 13:08 Keirathi wrote:

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Right (well, not exactly, because yamato and Adam weren't fighting, just taking a strong stance that differed from thread sentiment). But he's using the "scum don't want to be in the spotlight" sentiment to make HIMSELF a townie.

imo adam wasn't really putting himself in the spotlight the way yamato was

besides, this line of reasoning is pretty weak. anything else to say about adam?

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

February 26 2013 04:40 GMT

#605

On February 26 2013 13:36 Acrofales wrote:

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Out of everything that has been asked from you, your contribution is to butt into an ongoing discussion that has nothing much to do with you, to throw in a soft defense of adam here?

How about you explain your scumreads instead?

I'm not soft defending adam. Kei is making a real weak case

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

February 26 2013 04:42 GMT

#606

I think kei's a really good lynch.

Here's the summation of his thoughts on his main scumread, thrawn:

On February 26 2013 11:01 Keirathi wrote:

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No solid reads yet. I'm interested in thrawn, obviously. The town thrawn I know is logical and takes his time to look at all sides of the situation, and I just haven't seen that from him this game. He's just been flying by the seat of his pants (iamp scum, no town, no scum again! Hapa should be a dueler tomorrow!) with little to no reasoning for his "reads".

His explanations for why thrawn's scum are almost entirely meta based. He did ask thrawn this question:

On February 26 2013 02:47 Keirathi wrote:
So thrawn, why exactly do you want Hapa to duel? Do you think he is scum, or town? What is your ideal scenario for a duel? A strong townie vs a scum suspect? Or two scum suspects against each other?

That series of questions is so bland/boring and non confrontational that I have a hard time imagining that there's any real purpose behind it.

Here's what he said about adam:

On February 26 2013 12:02 Keirathi wrote:
Oh yea, I forgot about this:

Adam

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On February 25 2013 13:28 Adam4167 wrote:

On February 25 2013 13:06 cDgCorazon wrote:

On February 25 2013 12:55 Adam4167 wrote:

On February 25 2013 12:47 cDgCorazon wrote:

On February 25 2013 12:39 Acrofales wrote:

On February 25 2013 12:35 iamperfection wrote:

On February 25 2013 12:33 Dienosore wrote:
@marv: I've already mentioned that I trust you. If you sincerely believe that he isn't scum, then I will reconsider my hard stance. However, I would be a fool to not remain extremely suspicious until something happens that definitively clears up the situation.

@Hapa: He didn't just make a post about me. He called me out for a duel with his first post based on my first post. To me, this screams scum.

why would you think someone being super aggressive is scummy should mean the opposite no?

Aggression isn't a scum- or a town-tell. Aggression is simply aggression. Case in point: Mocsta NMM 37.

Also, VE is pretty aggressive as either alignment. Just to name some examples.

That said, Adam tends to lurk wayyyy too much as scum. His activity and early pressure on Dieno are uncharacteristic for his scum play. Too early to really tell, though.

I still think Adam is lurking. Compared to most of the other people so far, he has been picking and choosing his times to talk very sparingly. Making one argument against Dieno and kind of attacking me/kind of not attacking me is really a drop in the ocean compared to the activity level the rest of the town has shown.

I dropped my interest in you right about the time you said you wanted the two most abrasive and against-the-grain players to duel each other.

That said to me that you are just being an emotional townie who wanted to get rid of people who weren't conforming to how you wanted the game played. I doubt scum would be making an argument like that, hence I have no interest in probing you further.

Seriously, I was asked the question based off of 3-4 pages of the thread...

If you seriously want to go hung-ho and call all of the shots, go ahead. There's no point in arguing with you, and I doubt my crappy internet can beat you to typing ##Duel once the Night period is over.

Let's imagine a gung-ho player decides to duel someone that they have a scum read on, but the rest of the town does not agree with their reasoning. How do you choose between someone playing aggressive and someone you have a town read on? It's either going to result in the gung-ho player getting lynched or making a lynch that you are not happy with. Both are a waste of a Day cycle and are free kills for the scum basically.

That's my biggest problem with you and Yamato's approach to the duel system. The fact that Yamato called me scum for it and that you are calling me emotional over it is absolutely ridiculous.

I call you emotional because I just cant see the logic behind wanting the two people causing the most discussion to duel each other. Mafia that sit in the spotlight almost always fry, and as a general rule, try to avoid it. The likelyhood of either of us being scum is not good as a result.

Adam came out all guns blazing with his "I'll duel someone when I feel its appropriate!" stance. But this passage of quotes is interesting, because he dropped his minor scumread on Cora because Cora's arguments made Adam look town. He doesn't care that Cora's argument is anti-town itself (Cora was interested in lynching yam or Adam because they were "disruptive" or whatever, not because he necessarily thought they were scum), only that he can use Cora's response to identify himself as town.

That suggests to me that the whole bravado thing at the start of the game could be an act, because Adam was already thinking of how he could get town cred from his stance even before Cora pointed out his problems with it.

At best it's a very tenuous association to make. There are many more things worthy of suspicion so far and kei focusing on that is strange. So all of Kei's suspicions in the game total to "thrawn doesn't look like town thrawn" and the weird point about adam.

He's not scumhunting i.e. he's scum

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

February 26 2013 04:47 GMT

#608

i'd like to propose thrawn vs keirathi as a potential matchup

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

February 26 2013 04:49 GMT

#611

lol read my posts

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

February 26 2013 04:59 GMT

#617

I had a null read on hapa. I asked if anyone wanted to make him a duelist (and let him pick his target) because like I said, he'd be a good choice as a town mayor type role plus if we decide he's scum we can always lynch him. There were a lot of people calling for hapa's blood so I was also curious to see who would stand up for their hapa scumreads.

Acro my read on you right now is not as strong as it was, but I still think you are being overly wordy without having real motivation behind your words. Balance-wise when I first looked at the player list I sorta auto-assumed that one of marv/hapa/yourself/maybe kei has to be scum. So when marv died... that's where the statement about "either hapa or acro" cam from.

As for Iamp... nothing really changed per se.. I woke up, read his filter and decided I don't like him as scum

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

February 26 2013 05:16 GMT

#619

Oats: you are not going to convince player x to duel player y when player x has a town read on player y. their alginments don't really even matter.... it's just not going to happen. so already you DO have to at least compromise so far as letting one of the duelists have some say in who they are going to lynch.

You have a scumread on me, but I say the only way I'm calling a duel is if I get to duel a scumread. So if you want to lynch me you have to allow me to potentially lynch someone I wish... not somebody I have a town or even null read on. Good luck enforcing anything other than that... it's not going to happen.

so knowing how I feel about it, are you willing to let me be a duelist and have some say in who I duel? If I'm not your top scumread then apply that question to that person as well.

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

February 26 2013 05:24 GMT

#621

acro any comments on my post about kei?

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

February 26 2013 05:27 GMT

#622

it doesn't have to be thrawn vs kei. in fact I prefer it to be kei vs someone else however i'm willing to do it

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

February 26 2013 05:29 GMT

#623

On February 26 2013 14:23 Acrofales wrote:
Before I say anything, I want to hear what Keirathi thinks of the proposed duel between him and Thrawn.

yeah i'd really like to hear the answer to this

kei, will you defend your honor? 10 paces at dawn?

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

February 26 2013 05:47 GMT

#629

On February 26 2013 14:33 cDgCorazon wrote:
However, we can't just sit here and give the lurkers a free pass anymore. One of them is lurking while we sit around and take each other out, that bit has to be true...

What do you propose that we do about it?

thrawn2112

United States6918 Posts

February 26 2013 05:51 GMT

#631

On February 26 2013 14:31 Adam4167 wrote:

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If you will not, I will.

My 'bravado', ask Keirathi put it, was not an act.

I'm getting the feeling that you have a town read on me.. is your scum read that strong on kei that you're willing to put both of us up for lynch? How's your read on deino going?

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