This Town Ain't Big Enough Mafia - Page 2

On February 26 2013 18:31 Sylencia wrote:
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The sad thing is that I don't see Adam being scum, but just a detriment to town.

Regarding Keir, I feel like he's pretty much on the same area as I am, not much from him but the fact he's argued with Adam meant that he's been put up for a duel. I'm still null on Keir, but if this is the way Adam wants to play I don't think it's exactly going to help us out in the long run.

##Vote: Adam

On February 26 2013 16:37 Keirathi wrote:

I already said I would be fine dueling you. I still think you are scum.

On February 26 2013 15:45 Keirathi wrote:

Nothing else. I'm not entirely convinced Adam is scum, but I wanted some comments on it.

On February 27 2013 14:50 cDgCorazon wrote:
@Snarfs: I literally just said I have a good feeling that they are both town due to my read on Sylencia and his "on the middle of the fence but I'll vote for Adam just cause I need to vote". I'm voting for, in my opinion, is the more useless townie.

On February 27 2013 15:14 cDgCorazon wrote:


He said he had a "null read" on Keir and just voted before Keir did anything to swing that one way or the other.

On February 27 2013 15:19 yamato77 wrote:
I don't like trying to make Keir scum by association with a player we have no way of reliably determining the alignment of.

On February 27 2013 15:22 yamato77 wrote:
Yes, that's exactly what you're doing.

On February 27 2013 15:29 yamato77 wrote:

Only you're not just talking about Cora's vote...



Aside from the sentence I bolded, nothing is new in this entire post. I still don't agree that it is alignment indicative of Keir for him to be lurky, or indecisive about his early reads.

The only new argument here is that people should NOT vote for Adam because Sylencia IS, which is an association case that is very, very bad.

On February 27 2013 15:37 yamato77 wrote:
Have you proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that Sylencia is mafia? No. Then it's a bad association case.

The guy does fuck all as town. I lost a game as town because of his propensity to lurk and be useless. There's zero indication to me that he's CONFIRMED MAFIA and we should get off the person he wants to vote for.

The only question here is if you're really dumb enough to push this sort of logic or if you're mafia attempting to manipulate the lynch.

On February 27 2013 15:46 yamato77 wrote:

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WBG, I feel you.

On February 27 2013 15:50 yamato77 wrote:
I'm trying to tell you, that's a terrible reason to be using to figure out where to place your vote.

You seem pretty convinced of it, though, so at least I can assume you're probably town for it.

On February 27 2013 16:30 yamato77 wrote:

Your flawed premise is assuming that Sylencia is mafia. It's fine to read him that way, but when you start making decisions in the game based upon him being one alignment or another, you run into a multitude of problems, the biggest one being that despite your apparent conviction, the possibility exists that you are wrong, and Sylencia is town.

What Sylencia is doing right now is only useful for figuring out his own alignment, not the alignment of the people he is voting for.

On February 27 2013 16:48 yamato77 wrote:

I don't follow that logic at all.

I clearly just told you how someone could, and indeed should, ignore their read on Sylencia when factoring in who to vote for.

That's like, your whole argument.

On February 28 2013 00:54 Acrofales wrote:

Then explain to me the town motivation for knowing what you did is anti-town:


Yet being completely and utterly willing to do it again:


Given the rest of his play, I cannot reconcile a scum mindset. Given this play I cannot reconcile a town mindset. That leaves 3P with a wincon requiring him to win X duels, participate in X duels or something. This wincon would also explain how he got all triggerhappy and jumped in before Thrawn could: he needs to get those duels done.

Is it a bulletproof case? No. He could be a townie being a stupid, egotistical, twat. However, I have no evidence from any previous games ever that Adam is a stupid, egotistical, twat (and I've played in like 4 games with him). So I'll go with something that is consistent of what I know about Adam, the player: he has some funky wincon we don't know about that will force him to disrupt this town again and again.

Anyway, answer me this: what exactly would you need as "evidence" of a 3rd party? In a game where scum numbers are unknown, scum kp is unknown and the presence of 3P is explicitly made possible in the town wincon?