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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On February 25 2013 10:32 iamperfection wrote: what a terrible answer we want to lynch scum not people who want to go rouge Did you read anything besides the first line of my answer? | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On February 25 2013 10:33 Adam4167 wrote: So, you would kill someone for being 'anti-town' in your opinion, as opposed to them actually being scum? Nothing you've pointed out indicates Yamato is scum in the slightest. How do I rate lower than Yamato if i'm being less abrasive? Would that not be indicative of me being more likely to be scum? I was only asked for one person to kill. If it was up to me right now, I'd have you two duel each other. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On February 25 2013 10:33 iamperfection wrote: and hint hint all reads subject to change deal with it I hope you read that too. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
That every post should not be saying "_____ is scum, here's why". That's not discussion, that's "Reign of Terror". Reads change during the game. You want me to come out and say that I think you are 100% scum confirmed without any possible changes of heart later on. That is ridiculous and you know it. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On February 25 2013 10:40 yamato77 wrote: No, I want you to take any stance at all about anyone's alignment And you aren't. I want you to not say everyone that disagrees with you is scum. And you aren't. Savvy? | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On February 25 2013 10:45 yamato77 wrote: I never, ever said that. Ever. You are not doing well here, my friend. Then why, when I said that I disagreed with your desired way to play the game and that there were conflicts in your arguments, did you change the subject and put pressure on me? That's a scummy move. You tried to flip the tables and use Marv's momentum to attack me and making it look like you are scum hunting when in reality you are just pressuring me to be so good at Mafia that I have the scum team pegged down already. That is a scummy move. Do some real scumhunting. Threatening me is not going to help disprove the "Reign of Terror" atmosphere that you are putting out here. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On February 25 2013 10:52 Oatsmaster wrote: Hey guys, Cora is scummy for wanting to lynch rouge players and not actually scum, and in no way linking rouge play to playing like scum. Marv is also kinda suspicious. He seems too polite and that policy post had pregame written all over it. Am I 100% scum, and that view won't change at all? If so, you are playing right into Yamato's desired town play. If not, then Yamato thinks you are scum. Sorry Yamato, I know you want to do all of the work. I'm just making it easier for you... | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On February 25 2013 10:56 Oatsmaster wrote: What was the point of that statment? You are scummy not scum. You havent done anything to change anyones opinion since the start of the game Well I was just saying that Yamato doesn't like half-reads. He expects a full 100% town read or a 100% scum read. Would you all like me to say that Yamato is 100% scum? Cause I can do that... | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
You picked an opportune moment to pile on the people questioning me, and all of what you had written was retreading stuff people had already put out there. I did not repeat anything that anyone had said in that post. It was my thoughts on the subject and pointing out an inconsistency that was present in your argument that no one else had pointed out before. How is that repeating? I was tired of talking about setup, which is pointless and was getting irritatingly stupid, so I put out my scum read. Since then, you haven't managed to take any stances about anyone being mafia at all for anything that is actually alignment indicative. No, you were tired of people attacking you for your gung-ho mentality, so you decided to shift the focus away from that. You decided to pick me because I was the only other person to come under fire, instead of looking at other targets. You tried to change the subject so you couldn't be pressured anymore. Now you're all-in because I'm your only read, so you call me scummy now when earlier you didn't. I've said this a million times. I think your actions are scummy right now, but we have a long time before we have to make a decision about who we want to duel and who we want to vote off. You're acting too hasty in getting to that point. Sure we can sit here and argue with each other, but who knows who will still be here come D2? I can sit here and say all I want about how other people were doing so-and-so, but I was given advice a while ago that if you go after multiple people, you never make ground on any of them, which means you are really hunting no one. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On February 25 2013 11:11 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont feel comfortable with this statement, cora is basically namedropping here to soft claim town. Thoughts? There aren't any coaches for this game? | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
Yes I would love to know why you are "bored of me". Is it because you realize I'm right? Is this a continuation of a trend to change the subject when the pressure is on you? | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On February 25 2013 11:15 yamato77 wrote: He's arguing his point with me, standing his ground. It's that I'm mafia, but it's reasonable for him to think I'm just jumping on with you and others who had expressed dislike with him. Arguing the point does nothing to get any better read on him. Then why do you do it right when another attack on someone else opens up? | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On February 25 2013 11:27 marvellosity wrote: This just makes no sense at all. NO SENSE MAKE IT NO YO. Which part does not make sense? | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On February 25 2013 11:31 thrawn2112 wrote: the part where "not a town tell" + "not a scum tell" = "makes me suspicious" iamp. enlighten me about this long history we have that enables you to read me as town so easily in this specific game I know I should really shut up about Yamato but: Why are you guys getting on each other for having such early town reads and not get on Yamato for having such early scum reads? | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On February 25 2013 11:35 iamperfection wrote: because it would be easy for mafia to just dump a bunch of town reads because they would be right. good way to look like your contributing Yes, but making a bunch of relatively weak scum reads would accomplish the same goal of appearing to contribute. They don't even need to be flipped. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On February 25 2013 11:41 iamperfection wrote: dino was so easy to read in chrono checkmate I think Dieno's post wasn't wishy-washy. I just think it didn't have much of a purpose, and he put too much fluff into it. He basically said that he agreed with Marv and Snarf (which is basically repeating what had been said before), told Yamato to hold off on his itchy trigger finger (which was also being repeated), and made some weirdly-shown suspicion towards me. It was very sheepy, but not wishy-washy. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On February 25 2013 11:52 Adam4167 wrote: How was it not wishy-washy? It was just a stream of thoughts with no conclusion, considering both possibilities of yamato's alignment and settling on neither. His thoughts on marvs interaction on you was equally as pointless. That is the definition of wishy-washy. Hi Adam, nice to see that you have chosen my post to respond to in place of all of the other arguments. Very nice... Wishy-washy (in my eyes) is saying things that are contradictory to each other. Nothing that he said was contradictory. I'm not saying that the post wasn't completely pointless and basically just fluff, but "wishy-washy" was not an accurate description of Dieno's post. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On February 25 2013 12:39 Acrofales wrote: Aggression isn't a scum- or a town-tell. Aggression is simply aggression. Case in point: Mocsta NMM 37. Also, VE is pretty aggressive as either alignment. Just to name some examples. That said, Adam tends to lurk wayyyy too much as scum. His activity and early pressure on Dieno are uncharacteristic for his scum play. Too early to really tell, though. I still think Adam is lurking. Compared to most of the other people so far, he has been picking and choosing his times to talk very sparingly. Making one argument against Dieno and kind of attacking me/kind of not attacking me is really a drop in the ocean compared to the activity level the rest of the town has shown. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On February 25 2013 12:55 Adam4167 wrote: I dropped my interest in you right about the time you said you wanted the two most abrasive and against-the-grain players to duel each other. That said to me that you are just being an emotional townie who wanted to get rid of people who weren't conforming to how you wanted the game played. I doubt scum would be making an argument like that, hence I have no interest in probing you further. Seriously, I was asked the question based off of 3-4 pages of the thread... If you seriously want to go hung-ho and call all of the shots, go ahead. There's no point in arguing with you, and I doubt my crappy internet can beat you to typing ##Duel once the Night period is over. Let's imagine a gung-ho player decides to duel someone that they have a scum read on, but the rest of the town does not agree with their reasoning. How do you choose between someone playing aggressive and someone you have a town read on? It's either going to result in the gung-ho player getting lynched or making a lynch that you are not happy with. Both are a waste of a Day cycle and are free kills for the scum basically. That's my biggest problem with you and Yamato's approach to the duel system. The fact that Yamato called me scum for it and that you are calling me emotional over it is absolutely ridiculous. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
1. Zare is always inactive Sundays. He should (hopefully) be joining us today after reading over the thread. 2. @Oats, why did you just attack Iamp for giving town reads when Yamato gave 5-6 of them a couple of pages ago? If you're going to call one person out for a behavior, you need to call everyone out who exhibits that behavior. 3. When I get home from school (in a few hours), I am going to re-read the pages with the whole go around between the TL veterans (basically everyone but the lurkers, me, Adam, Yamato, and Dieno). It's hard to follow because you guys just sit around and call each other scum/town based on each other's metas, which in all honesty is kind of pointless. Metas can change at any point, and players can use their meta from one side or another to conscientiously give others a town read based on their meta. Don't read too much into them (which I'm afraid you guys are doing right now). I'm not saying that all of it has been meta talk, but I've seen way too much meta talk thrown around. | ||
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