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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On February 17 2013 23:38 Vivax wrote:
I think Kurumi's death deserves a kita lynch. We know for sure Kita wanted to kill Kurumi there. I don't think there's much more to add. He could have opted for guessing his alignment instead.
Take this with a grain of salt since I've still lots to read, but Kita lynch doesn't look disputable to me.
Explain to me how a 1:1 trade with kurmi makes sense as mafia? Killing kurumi puts me in the spotlight and causes a lot of people to be suspicious of me. As I explained before, if I were mafia, I could have picked pass, with no risk to myself and gone into d2 with next to no suspicion.
The reason I thought kurumi was scum is that he was using a detective/vig role on a player he appeared to trust (he agreed with my arguement on syl and we voted together). I thought that a town player with that role would 100% try to alignment check/vig the player they found to be the most scummy. It still doesn't make much sense to me why he didn't.
On February 15 2013 04:38 gonzaw wrote:
I wouldn't mind lynching Hassy/Sylencia/Cheesecake
On February 15 2013 07:17 marvellosity wrote:
And Sylencia is a gentleman of interest - the gentleman kitaman raised good points about the man.
On February 15 2013 08:15 marvellosity wrote:
The man known as Sylencia I also believe may well have evil intentions. He continuously makes little chitter-chatter with other gentlemen, but only ever about his own person, and never unprompted. This is why looking at such gentlemen is not merely "policy".
On February 17 2013 11:47 Stutters695 wrote:
Syls filter is worrying but I need to check his meta.
On February 17 2013 10:37 Crossfire99 wrote:
I would also be willing to lynch sylencia today.
On February 16 2013 02:31 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Yeah I could see sylencia being scum.
On February 17 2013 12:25 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Syl's filter is really bad, and I would not be opposed to a lynch on him today.
It amazes me how many people think sylencia is scum, yet I have the same number of votes as him. Does nobody recognize the pushback we are getting here? People aren't willing to defend their scumbuddy, but conveniently decide not to vote for him right now.
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You could have picked pass, since Kurumi seemed to have picked share information, he would have known your alignment.
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I rarely place my vote in the first half of the day (hence why I have not done so yet).
I am going to be unavailable for the majority of today (yayyyyyy gymnastics meet ~_~), but I'll be doing my best to keep up with the thread. At this point, my vote is going on either gonzaw or Sylencia (leaning syl at the moment).
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On February 18 2013 00:05 Vivax wrote:
You could have picked pass, since Kurumi seemed to have picked share information, he would have known your alignment.
That's not how the role works. Syl had it wrong in his post. If I picked pass, kurumi potentially could have given me his alignment. As mafia, a player sending me their alignment would have been absolutely no risk to me.
My thought process was that a town player with an alignment checker and a vig role, wouldn't be wasting their time using it on a player they thought was town. Let me ask you this: if you had the chance to alignment check or vig a player, would you use it on the player you thought was scum or town?
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On February 18 2013 00:05 Vivax wrote:
You could have picked pass, since Kurumi seemed to have picked share information, he would have known your alignment.
No.
if he passes he would have known kurumi's alignment.
See that's the thing. A townie shouldn't even think about picking something that's not share.
Since for a townie, all three possibilities lead to a desired outcome. they pass, they get a green check on you. that's good. they share, you both know that both wanted to share which while it doesn't modconfirm either is a strong indicator that both have clean intentions. If they pick kill, they get announced the killer.
Here's what I say happened: Scum kita saw he was confronted with the choice. Kurumi said he wasn't going to kill. Scum kita assumed kurumi would pick "pass" to learn his alignment. He didn't think it through and got announced the killer because kurumi made the correct choice for a townie to make, which is share, instead of pass.
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On February 18 2013 00:14 Dandel Ion wrote:
Here's what I say happened: Scum kita saw he was confronted with the choice. Kurumi said he wasn't going to kill. Scum kita assumed kurumi would pick "pass" to learn his alignment. He didn't think it through and got announced the killer because kurumi made the correct choice for a townie to make, which is share, instead of pass.
That doesn't make sense dandel.
If scum kita assumes kurumi would pick pass, scum kita picks pass too. No alignments are swapped and he goes away with an "opps looks like we overlapped".
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On February 18 2013 00:08 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 00:05 Vivax wrote:
You could have picked pass, since Kurumi seemed to have picked share information, he would have known your alignment. That's not how the role works. Syl had it wrong in his post. If I picked pass, kurumi potentially could have given me his alignment. As mafia, a player sending me their alignment would have been absolutely no risk to me. My thought process was that a town player with an alignment checker and a vig role, wouldn't be wasting their time using it on a player they thought was town. Let me ask you this: if you had the chance to alignment check or vig a player, would you use it on the player you thought was scum or town?
Let's wifom some more you like it so much
A scum kurumi targeting you (which you say you thought it was), WHY would he pick kill.
Clearly he would have seen that any townie would identify "share" as the best option, especially one that was suspicious of him.
Townie picks share, says before deadline "if i die to kurumi he's scum" or something like that. 1-1 trade, which is still shit for scum. You should have been happy with that, were you town.
But you were too afraid of dying. Too afraid for a townie to be. u scum son.
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On February 18 2013 00:17 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 00:14 Dandel Ion wrote:
Here's what I say happened: Scum kita saw he was confronted with the choice. Kurumi said he wasn't going to kill. Scum kita assumed kurumi would pick "pass" to learn his alignment. He didn't think it through and got announced the killer because kurumi made the correct choice for a townie to make, which is share, instead of pass. That doesn't make sense dandel. If scum kita assumes kurumi would pick pass, scum kita picks pass too. No alignments are swapped and he goes away with an "opps looks like we overlapped".
Hell no.
Killing a townie "without any risk"? Sure you do that.
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On February 18 2013 00:19 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 00:17 kitaman27 wrote:On February 18 2013 00:14 Dandel Ion wrote:
Here's what I say happened: Scum kita saw he was confronted with the choice. Kurumi said he wasn't going to kill. Scum kita assumed kurumi would pick "pass" to learn his alignment. He didn't think it through and got announced the killer because kurumi made the correct choice for a townie to make, which is share, instead of pass. That doesn't make sense dandel. If scum kita assumes kurumi would pick pass, scum kita picks pass too. No alignments are swapped and he goes away with an "opps looks like we overlapped". Hell no. Killing a townie "without any risk"? Sure you do that.
Without any risk? lol my name gets revealed as the killer. Of course there is risk. If I'm mafia a 1:1 trade simply makes zero sense. That's not this game works.
On February 18 2013 00:18 Dandel Ion wrote:
But you were too afraid of dying. Too afraid for a townie to be. u scum son.
My role creator can confirm that I'm not afraid of dying. I thought kurumi was scum, I was wrong, and now people are taking advantage of my mistake, while ignoring the person that everyone thinks is scum, but doesn't want to lynch.
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On February 18 2013 00:18 Dandel Ion wrote:
But you were too afraid of dying. Too afraid for a townie to be. u scum son.
In fact, that was the exact argument I used earlier for shooting kurumi. He refused to check syl because he was TOO AFRAID OF DYING. How come you're ignoring this?
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Town thought process:
Pass: I might learn his alignment, might get shot without an announcement. Okay, but undesireable.
Share: He might learn my alignment, he might be unveiled as my killer. Both desireable outcomes.
Kill: I can't get killed. I might kill him with a good chance of getting revealed. I have nothing more than a passing suspicion of some random post he did. Clearly the inferior option.
Scum thought process:
Pass: I already know alignment, might get killed. Nope.
Share: He might learn my alignment. If he shoots me he gets confirmed town since he's announced killer. NOPENOPENOPE.
Kill: Kills him. good chance of doing so without outing me, if he passes to learn my alignment. Best option for scum.
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Kita tell me why you didn't claim (or at least hint at it or breadcrumb) the shot on kurumi before the daypost?
Because that's a sign of you hoping you wouldn't be exposed you know.
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On February 18 2013 00:23 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 00:19 Dandel Ion wrote:On February 18 2013 00:17 kitaman27 wrote:On February 18 2013 00:14 Dandel Ion wrote:
Here's what I say happened: Scum kita saw he was confronted with the choice. Kurumi said he wasn't going to kill. Scum kita assumed kurumi would pick "pass" to learn his alignment. He didn't think it through and got announced the killer because kurumi made the correct choice for a townie to make, which is share, instead of pass. That doesn't make sense dandel. If scum kita assumes kurumi would pick pass, scum kita picks pass too. No alignments are swapped and he goes away with an "opps looks like we overlapped". Hell no. Killing a townie "without any risk"? Sure you do that. Without any risk? lol my name gets revealed as the killer. Of course there is risk. If I'm mafia a 1:1 trade simply makes zero sense. That's not this game works.
As I said, you hoped/assumed he would Pass.
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On February 18 2013 00:30 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 00:23 kitaman27 wrote:On February 18 2013 00:19 Dandel Ion wrote:On February 18 2013 00:17 kitaman27 wrote:On February 18 2013 00:14 Dandel Ion wrote:
Here's what I say happened: Scum kita saw he was confronted with the choice. Kurumi said he wasn't going to kill. Scum kita assumed kurumi would pick "pass" to learn his alignment. He didn't think it through and got announced the killer because kurumi made the correct choice for a townie to make, which is share, instead of pass. That doesn't make sense dandel. If scum kita assumes kurumi would pick pass, scum kita picks pass too. No alignments are swapped and he goes away with an "opps looks like we overlapped". Hell no. Killing a townie "without any risk"? Sure you do that. Without any risk? lol my name gets revealed as the killer. Of course there is risk. If I'm mafia a 1:1 trade simply makes zero sense. That's not this game works. As I said, you hoped/assumed he would Pass.
That is most certainly not what I said. You were using an example of where scum kita assumed pass and I was saying why it didn't make sense.
On February 18 2013 00:27 Dandel Ion wrote:
Town thought process:
Pass: I might learn his alignment, might get shot without an announcement. Okay, but undesireable.
Share: He might learn my alignment, he might be unveiled as my killer. Both desireable outcomes.
Kill: I can't get killed. I might kill him with a good chance of getting revealed. I have nothing more than a passing suspicion of some random post he did. Clearly the inferior option. I can't killed that night, but I've thrown away my protection for free (not going to roleclaim how my role works). I throw away a kp for a player I have a mafia read on
Scum thought process:
Pass: I already know alignment, might get killed. Nope. Nope, I can't get killed. Best choice since its free
Share: He might learn my alignment. If he shoots me he gets confirmed town since he's announced killer. NOPENOPENOPE. Agreed. a scum player isn't choosing this option
Kill: Kills him. good chance of doing so without outing me, if he passes to learn my alignment. Best option for scum. Nope, you're confusing things again. Share outs me as the killer, not pass. A single kp isn't work a scum lynch
Corrections in red.
On February 18 2013 00:29 Dandel Ion wrote:
Kita tell me why you didn't claim (or at least hint at it or breadcrumb) the shot on kurumi before the daypost?
Because that's a sign of you hoping you wouldn't be exposed you know.
Because I was at the hospital for most of the cycle. I sent my choice in and wasn't able to return at any point after I had to leave unexpectadly. You can even double check that I didn't post that cycle if you don't believe me.
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
So let me get this straight Dandel, am I a scum player busing syl or do you have a town read on syl?
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Your arguments:
1) I have a role that magically explains everything but I won't claim it.
2) I can't read. (as per: "Nope, you're confusing things again. Share outs me as the killer, not pass. A single kp isn't work a scum lynch")
3) I couldn't post, but I could send in my nightactions.
Yeaaah.
That is most certainly not what I said.
Correct, it's what I said. Note the As I said, not the As You said.
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On February 18 2013 00:45 kitaman27 wrote:
So let me get this straight Dandel, am I a scum player busing syl or do you have a town read on syl?
I will have to blindly assume syl is town for as long as I think you are scum. Doesn't look like a bus imo.
I'm still firmly null on him.
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On February 18 2013 00:47 Dandel Ion wrote:
Your arguments:
1) I have a role that magically explains everything but I won't claim it.
lol in a game where someone knows my role and can confirm it because they created it, this is the argument you're using?
On February 18 2013 00:47 Dandel Ion wrote:
2) I can't read. (as per: "Nope, you're confusing things again. Share outs me as the killer, not pass. A single kp isn't work a scum lynch")
Just correcting incorrect logic. You can come to your own conclusions about literacy.
On February 18 2013 00:47 Dandel Ion wrote:
3) I couldn't post, but I could send in my nightactions.
Did I post? Go back the last 30 games I've played and find me a game where I skipped an entire cycle posting. This argument doesn't even work. Kurumi didn't post anything about the role either as town, yet that obviously doesn't make him scum.
On February 18 2013 00:24 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 00:18 Dandel Ion wrote:
But you were too afraid of dying. Too afraid for a townie to be. u scum son. In fact, that was the exact argument I used earlier for shooting kurumi. He refused to check syl because he was TOO AFRAID OF DYING. How come you're ignoring this?
No response to this post? You're using the same reason for wanting to lynch me as I was to shoot kurumi.
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On February 18 2013 00:54 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 00:47 Dandel Ion wrote:
Your arguments:
1) I have a role that magically explains everything but I won't claim it. lol in a game where someone knows my role and can confirm it because they created it, this is the argument you're using?
You said that tho. Don't blame me for the nonsense you say.
On February 18 2013 00:54 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 00:47 Dandel Ion wrote:
2) I can't read. (as per: "Nope, you're confusing things again. Share outs me as the killer, not pass. A single kp isn't work a scum lynch") Just correcting incorrect logic. You can come to your own conclusions about literacy.
Read this again and tell me the incorrect part in detail: "good chance of doing so without outing me, if he passes to learn my alignment"
On February 18 2013 00:54 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 00:47 Dandel Ion wrote:
3) I couldn't post, but I could send in my nightactions. Did I post? Go back the last 30 games I've played and find me a game where I skipped an entire cycle posting. This argument doesn't even work. Kurumi didn't post anything about the role either as town, yet that obviously doesn't make him scum.
Sure he did. quite early, too.
He didn't have to say more, since he wasn't planning on, you know, killing shit.
On February 18 2013 00:54 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 00:24 kitaman27 wrote:On February 18 2013 00:18 Dandel Ion wrote:
But you were too afraid of dying. Too afraid for a townie to be. u scum son. In fact, that was the exact argument I used earlier for shooting kurumi. He refused to check syl because he was TOO AFRAID OF DYING. How come you're ignoring this? No response to this post? You're using the same reason for wanting to lynch me as I was to shoot kurumi.
No. You choose to reduce it to such to make it sound trivial, but that doesn't make it true.
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On February 18 2013 00:49 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 00:45 kitaman27 wrote:
So let me get this straight Dandel, am I a scum player busing syl or do you have a town read on syl? I will have to blindly assume syl is town for as long as I think you are scum. Doesn't look like a bus imo. I'm still firmly null on him.
Fine you're null.
Vivax and Cheese haven't commented.
gonzaw is in favor of lynching sylencia
marv thinks sylencia is scum
stutters is suspcious of sylencia
kita wants to lynch sylencia
iamimp wants to lynch sylencia
jcarl supports a sylencia lynch
crossfire is willing to lynch sylencia
If seven players support a sylencia lynch and nobody thinks sylencia is town, why am I leading the lynch count right now?
Imagine if sylencia was town. The mafia team could simply mislynch him since so many people think he is scum and win the game. Why wouldn't the mafia just push an easy lynch if it were free for the taking?
Instead, sylencia is scum, a bunch of people say they are suspicious of him in case he flips at a later time, but instead vote elsewhere.
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