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On February 16 2013 07:08 austinmcc wrote:
This game has gotten delightfully fun/confusing as far as roles go. Huzzah.
Gonzaw, I don't need that part of the manual, I don't think. I've been observing the data from my tests, and the data is all coming in lower than I think it should. I thought maybe the manual could help me figure out why my I'm not seeing the numbers that I thought I might.
DI, I have no idea what that means really, but okay!
Feel free to answer this right before the deadline if you don't want to give out reads now (same goes for marv who i just asked as well), but I have to ask this now while I'm still around. Do you still think iamp is scum?
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On February 17 2013 10:27 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Dandel confirmed town yet?
I'm leaning town, but I don't know. He's very active, but hasn't played like I've seen him play before because of reasons we discuss in thread. I honestly don't know what to make of him. Also don't read my next post. I don't want to color your thoughts by what I post. I want you to come at the thread organically and see what you find because we need all the help we can get.
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+ Show Spoiler [Spoilered for Mr.CC's sake] +That was a depressing day post. 4 townies dead...this sucks. We're in a terrible spot now. We definitely need to lynch scum. I went back and looked at who died and what they said. Austin and Keirathi both thought that gonzaw was scum (austin had him at his 3rd read and keirathi had him as his top read). Because of them I looked at gonzaw closely and what I found basically could be summed up by austin's quote: Who else might be scum? Gonzaw could be. This is much more like his recent scum game than his town games, not just because he's not spammy but because he's poking his head up when being talked to, not adding much in the way of new thoughts to the thread (besides a read on keirathi), and then disappearing again. I do not like this. He also made my role, which contains some hidden information that I am not given access to. I asked for his read on me because I figured if he was strongly townie on me, he might tell me that info. But he didn't, which is confusing me right now. In light of the rest of his play, I'm currently leaning scum on him. Gonzaw talks a lot but like austin said he isn't contributing like he normally does as town. I would be willing to lynch gonzaw today. I would also be willing to lynch sylencia today. Looking at kurumi's posting, his top scum read was sylencia. He specifically calls him out in these 3 posts which make a lot of sense. On February 14 2013 21:53 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2013 21:51 Sylencia wrote:On February 14 2013 20:54 Kurumi wrote:On February 14 2013 15:01 Sylencia wrote:
Kurumi, since you're voting for me right now, can I ask you to let me perhaps share with you the fact I'm innocent tonight? Um, well, I never wanted to share this fact but I am actually Barrack Obama. Hi USA citizens! Sorry for all the trouble! I don't even understand. I have NO reason to believe you're town. You said that you are "innocent". That's nothing. You are actively lurking, your defence is crap. I don't understand what's overwhelming with this game and I asked you that and you went straight onto defensive >_> On February 15 2013 07:03 Kurumi wrote:
I'm keeping my vote on Sylencia - he is thinking I will risk my life to confirm him as "town", never answered why he felt overwhelemed, actively lurked and still refuses to play. Also, he is the creator of my role and tried to convince me into a situation where I could die >_> On February 15 2013 08:43 Kurumi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2013 08:39 Sylencia wrote:
Kita: I am going to change my vote, there's no point keeping it on you - seeing as how the vote wasn't even a serious one in the first place, I'm just reading through the last 3 pages again to understand where the main frontrunners are getting their votes from. Show nested quote +On February 15 2013 08:40 Sylencia wrote:
In any case, Blazinghand's case on Oatsmaster is more compelling to me that a lot of others, so I'll be sheeping with him on this one.
##unvote
##vote: Oatsmaster ONE MINUTE What the heck.. Sylencia also was "outraged" at kita for killing kurumi. + Show Spoiler + On February 16 2013 13:57 Sylencia wrote:
You were given information about your choices, and the consequences of each one. Given the nature of the game - it's likely that Kurumi would've breadcrumbed something during Day 1 and yet you somehow didn't read the clear line that says "I shall not kill"? That's not even a cryptic clue - it's as clear as day. I don't like how he expected kita to know exactly what to do and know exactly what kurumi was going to do. Kita explains his thought process of why he did what he did and yet sylencia thinks he's scum for it. This is why I would also be willing to lynch sylencia.
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On February 17 2013 10:11 Dandel Ion wrote:
Read the 40 pages.
Oh I guess quick yes/no: did you make my role?
Do you want me to answer this question as well?
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On February 17 2013 10:53 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 10:43 Crossfire99 wrote:On February 17 2013 10:11 Dandel Ion wrote:
Read the 40 pages.
Oh I guess quick yes/no: did you make my role? Do you want me to answer this question as well? I do not care about "no"s at all, I want somebody to say a "yes". So there is a chance I want you to.
Unfortunately, I cannot give you what you ask.
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I really hope you explain your reasoning Mr. Cheesecake.
On February 17 2013 11:30 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
##Elect: Dandel Ion
Especially after being gone like forever.
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On February 17 2013 12:21 Sylencia wrote:
Pretty sure kita is still prime lynch here, with his deflection onto me I can only assume I'm seeing something which everyone else is missing.
Kurumi died last night due to the wager.
If Kurumi was scum, he would've chosen me and killed me knowing I'd pick share. Reason? I told him to so that I could tell him which side I was on. That would mean that Kurumi would get a free kill during the night with little risk of being revealed.
If Kurumi was town, he still could have picked me there and if he passes there, and I was scum, I would pick either Kill or Pass. If I pick pass, Kurumi would pick up that something was off since I said I'd share. If I picked kill, the same thing that happened to Kita would happen. I would be exposed as the one who killed Kurumi.
What actually happened during the night was that he decided to pick Kita as his target and he passed.
If Kita is scum - he knows that Kurumi isn't scum and so he could get a free kill, best case where Kurumi wishes to share which side he is on. That gives him high motivation to kill.
If Kita is town - he doesn't know if Kuru is town or scum. In this case, the best option would be to pass on both suspicions. As I said above, if Kurumi was scum, he wouldn't have done the whole 'I don't trust you' speech to me, and selected me because he knew I was going to share. This makes it a lot less likely he was scum. Thus given that there was a high chance he was town, town doesn't pick someone to select Kill on unless he had a read on them. This was also unlikely as he never made any mention of it whatsoever in any of the posts. If he had suspected Kita of being scum, why was he voting fo rthe same person as the suspect? It doesn't add up.
Thus, if Kita was town, the correct move would've been to pass or share, with pass being the safer option in the case Kuru WAS scum because he'd be exposed as scum pretty much instantly.
Why are you lying about the role you created? That's not how it works.
- If both players select the same option, nothing happens.
- If one player picks "Share Information" and the other picks "Pass", the player picking "Pass" gets privately informed of the other player's alignment.
- If one player picks "Share Information" and the other picks "Kill Opponent", the player picking "Kill Opponent" will kill the other player, but the kill announcement will reveal the killer.
- If one player picks "Pass" and the other picks "Kill Opponent", the player picking "Kill Opponent" will kill the other player, but there will be no reveal regarding the killer.
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There's no need to insult each other even though Vivax is most likely mafia. Btw, you can add him to my would lynch today list.
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Also, where the heck is Mr. CC? He hasn't come back to the thread to say anything.
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On February 18 2013 05:30 Vivax wrote:
Crossfire, are you town?
Yeah, why?
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On February 18 2013 05:33 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 05:32 Crossfire99 wrote:
Also, where the heck is Mr. CC? He hasn't come back to the thread to say anything. How about you vote gonzaw for starters.
Is there a rush to vote now? I thought the point of instant majority lynch was to discuss everything to death and then lynch someone. I'm here until the deadline (I'll be doing other stuff mind you, but I'll be keeping an eye on the thread), so I'm not going anywhere.
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On February 18 2013 05:37 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 05:33 Crossfire99 wrote:On February 18 2013 05:30 Vivax wrote:
Crossfire, are you town? Yeah, why? If you truly are, you're gruesome.
I'm going to have to ditto dandel on this one...
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On February 18 2013 05:43 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 05:42 Crossfire99 wrote:On February 18 2013 05:33 Dandel Ion wrote:On February 18 2013 05:32 Crossfire99 wrote:
Also, where the heck is Mr. CC? He hasn't come back to the thread to say anything. How about you vote gonzaw for starters. Is there a rush to vote now? I thought the point of instant majority lynch was to discuss everything to death and then lynch someone. I'm here until the deadline (I'll be doing other stuff mind you, but I'll be keeping an eye on the thread), so I'm not going anywhere. Just treat is as a normal deadline. Since you're never here I worry you'll vanish again.
Well, I'll be here and I'll keep posting every so often to show you I'm here.
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On February 18 2013 07:09 Vivax wrote:
We have to figure out how scum decides to handle the roles, if we identify the role creators and see people/scum using their abilities against people with powerful roles they know, then they might be scum.
For example, the BH kill speaks for marv scum as well cause scum might have known how strong the role was.
Oats role that jcarl made killed BH day 1...
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On February 18 2013 07:13 Dandel Ion wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 07:12 Crossfire99 wrote:On February 18 2013 07:09 Vivax wrote:
We have to figure out how scum decides to handle the roles, if we identify the role creators and see people/scum using their abilities against people with powerful roles they know, then they might be scum.
For example, the BH kill speaks for marv scum as well cause scum might have known how strong the role was. Oats role that jcarl made killed BH day 1... You do realize he's just trolling right? I mean, shit son, you just did the same thing last game.
Wow, I'm dumb...
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Ok. I'm here. Kita's posts make a lot of sense plus. 10 hours and no lynch on sylencia. He's definitely scum.
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crap i almost forgot to elect someone. I elected marv because i trust him.
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so gonzaw, you took back your poison?
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This game is depressing, but at least we have a double lynch tomorrow to kill 2 scum. We can do a double lynch of gonzaw and vivax. I'm assuming iamp was town since gonzaw poisoned him, but I'll just double check.
What was iamperfection's role and alignment?
I bought Kita's logic before the lynch, but looking at it in hindsight, it doesn't hold up especially with sylencia flipping green and iamperfection flipping almost 100% green (unless gonzaw went for a ridiculous bus lol). Because of that Kita should also be lynched.
That means there's 1 scum in stutters/jcarl/mr. cc. Mr. CC seems to be the obvious choice because he hasn't done anything this game, but i'm not 100% sold on him yet.
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On February 19 2013 04:19 Dandel Ion wrote:
We double lynch gonzaw and kita tomorrow.
That is not even up for debate
Fine as long as vivax dies the next day.
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