Fruity Mafia

On February 10 2013 06:29 VisceraEyes wrote:
I know man I just yankin ye chain. In a non-perverted perverted sort of way.

On February 14 2013 07:37 WeWinMafia wrote:
anyone could say that now that we have established this method of figuring out people...

On February 14 2013 08:41 Zessionar wrote:
i picked risk.nuke, because he's decent as scum and useless and paranoid as town...
if he's town, i hope he'll prove me wrong this game...

On February 14 2013 08:46 WeWinMafia wrote:
Oh if that's how we lynch I'd like to toss in a

##vote Vivax

but sady it's not how we lynch
##unvote

On February 14 2013 09:42 WeWinMafia wrote:
I actually prepared a couple of trademark traits pregame to toss around d1 so that I can claim whoever I want to claim later on if I feel like it.

Claiming Sandro for example was the reason for picking this particular nick but as he joined the game there's no way I'll be using that one, so no problem telling you guys.

Have fun guessing.

On February 14 2013 21:08 syllogism wrote:

I singled it out because it was one of the few posts with somewhat controversial content and I wanted to see if you would reach reach the same conclusion as I did, which you did. Zessionar's explanation didn't jump out to me as over explaining. I looked at him again and while his explanation seems somewhat nonsensical, he has been fairly active and spammy so far, which is slightly towny. I also think that his question asking why someone else is smurfing is feels genuine, in particular because he himself appears to be smurfing and perhaps thought that WeWinMafia's reasons for smurfing differ from his, perhaps in a way that to him might be alignment indicative.

On February 14 2013 19:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Then I am voting you again for OMGUS after I already voted for you.

On February 14 2013 21:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

No, because you want to get information out of others since you already know your own role. You can do that by pressure or by asking questions. Since apparently they have history, I don't find it surprising he'd go after Sandroba.

His post was before risk clarified that syllo and sandroba knew eachother well and that they can tell if the other is scum quickly. If he simply didn't understand the logic behind it, then I would consider it null. If he does know about their meta, then I'd consider it slightly strange/scummy. I would assume they have meta from the way syllo formulated his question, but I can understand the question.

On February 14 2013 22:21 Hopeless1der wrote:

Zess, how exagerated was this statement? You immediately backed off, but I'd like to hear about where you drew the conclusions that risk was
A) decent as scum
B) Useless and paranoid as town

Either of the two would be acceptable, as I think you're scum for pulling reasons out of thin air with no justification.

On February 15 2013 00:41 marvellosity wrote:
risk has played 2 games of mafia where he literally lurked all game and was finally killed because he hadn't done a single townie thing all game. This is not "decent" at mafia.

Similarly, he can be quite perceptive as town. Your anaylsis and justification for voting him are just nonsense.

On February 15 2013 01:03 Zessionar wrote:
where are you going with that shit, marv?
do you want to make me look bad because of my super-earlygame posts?
screw you.
discussion ends right here.

On February 15 2013 01:33 risk.nuke wrote:

Read his posts and tell me if you reach a different conclusion otherwise I can't really be bothered to copying his posts and interpreting them for you..

It's not. However making up reasoning is.

On February 15 2013 01:47 Zessionar wrote:
lol ^_^ i knew it before the game even started... I originally wanted to PM wbg to remind him, to kick someone out for you. But then i realized, you might already be in this game with that smurf :D

On February 15 2013 02:19 marvellosity wrote:


Ignore this

On February 15 2013 02:22 WeWinMafia wrote:

Yeah I'm pretty certain. He gave himself away when giving me away thanks to pm conversations I'm not allowed to post (I think?)...
And because fuck you for outing me Supersoft :p

On February 15 2013 03:11 marvellosity wrote:


i wanna kill him for giving no reasoning for his vote :D

On February 15 2013 03:17 Zessionar wrote:


okay and why do you think that masons shouldnt claim?
for example, if vivax and yamato were masons. Why shouldn't they just claim?

On February 15 2013 03:32 WeWinMafia wrote:
just because you don't know how to properly mason doesn't mean noone else does...
You're making it almost look like you want to treat claimed masons as confirmed town when there is no reason to do such a thing in a closed set-up.

ESPECIALLY with you telling people we want them claimed it's a good move for mafia and there's plenty other ways to deal with masons: Force them to do what I did last time I rolled mason.

Don't let people get away with masoning people like Grush or Vivax d1 and expect people to mason people like Sandro / Syllo / Marv if there are masons to begin with. Mafias usually are to afraid to mason people like that and if they do it nevertheless who cares, plently of time for strong people to figure them out in pm-land.

A planned mason claim just adds chaos for no gain at all...

On February 15 2013 03:37 Zessionar wrote:


It depends on the quality of the Masons... "Free" masons who can chose whoever they want, can be scum, yes.
But masons like masons in Dessert are most likely confirmed in my eyes and completely useless if they don't claim.

On February 15 2013 06:08 marvellosity wrote:


eh, what's all this. where did i attack sandroba?

On February 15 2013 01:20 marvellosity wrote:


why?

On February 14 2013 22:21 Hopeless1der wrote:

Zess, how exagerated was this statement? You immediately backed off, but I'd like to hear about where you drew the conclusions that risk was
A) decent as scum
B) Useless and paranoid as town

Either of the two would be acceptable, as I think you're scum for pulling reasons out of thin air with no justification.

On February 15 2013 23:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
You should ignore yourself then, as the amount of oneliners without content you've posted in this thread far exceeds mine. My posts have been concise and reasoned, whereas yours are + Show Spoiler +
In general your game has been horrible. I don't know if you're scum or bad town, but I don't see any better candidate so far. How about you take your own advice and reason why your list is good? I'm guessing it's going to come down to the amount of posts, which is a terrible reason as you have a shitton of posts which amount to nothing.

Furthermore

You say here that smurfing is anti town, yet you decided to smurf yourself without giving away your identity immediately after getting your role. Yet later, you state

So smurfing is antitown, yet YOU getting revealed is antitown. Care to explain?

On February 16 2013 00:01 sandroba wrote:
@zessionar out of this list I would lynch laya, but I think that's not the list we should be looking at.

On February 16 2013 00:12 sandroba wrote:
@syllo I'll stick around. I read WeWinMafia's filter thinking he is toad and I think it's very likely he is scum.

On February 16 2013 00:35 marvellosity wrote:


Please provide evidence for all of this. Because it's not how I recall anything happening at all.

On February 16 2013 00:40 marvellosity wrote:


as in, whether yamato is town or mafia is irrelevant to how hiro made his vote

On February 16 2013 00:42 marvellosity wrote:


no, that's just wrong.

On February 16 2013 00:44 marvellosity wrote:
so what if he said he would? he hadn't and just dropped his vote.

your point of view only has any credence if you know people's alignments ahead of time, which I don't, and unless you're mafia, you don't either.

On February 15 2013 01:18 WeWinMafia wrote:
Again Zess and me trolling each other when there's nothing in the thread yet. I replied with utter bullshit and he replied with utter bullshit to my bullshit. Got to admit I was laughing pretty good around that time especially when I saw Coags smurf comment.

On February 16 2013 03:35 grush57 wrote:
Hooray halfday at school!
Zess makes lists.
The one super guide said scum makes lists.
Plus, the fact that he is scum tells me he is a good lynch.
##Unvote
##Vote: Zessionar

On February 16 2013 03:33 WeWinMafia wrote:
Zess remember what the name of the game was when we had our little talk in german during the WM?
I know we asked each other 3 questions in german, somehow encrypted with a question in german to decrypt it.

The first one was me saying something along the lines of "lol just want to screw with those silly americans because they don't have an Ä on their keyboard to type the answer in".
The second one was something about some guy being too serious.
The third one was about how the game ger vs netherlands would end.

were you mafia or town in that game?

On February 16 2013 03:16 marvellosity wrote:


Hi Hopeless. I like this bit a lot.

On February 16 2013 04:10 syllogism wrote:
Toad is looking a bit better due to his supersoft interactions, which seems to leave yamato as the realistic and acceptable lynch. I don't think I'm willing to lynch supersoft today. He could be mafia, but he seems to be more aggressive than he was as mafia in LVIII and he is likely going to be more active and useful than yamato, who isn't even here.

On February 16 2013 05:56 marvellosity wrote:
i was suspicious of supersoft for being suspicious of me, and hopeless brought up a good point. should be pretty clear i'm not up for a supersoft lynch at all.

On February 16 2013 06:20 marvellosity wrote:
i still don't get why people don't give a shit that Vivax isn't here pushing stuff, when normally he screams like a maniac as town.

i don't get it at all.

On February 16 2013 08:48 Vivax wrote:


I wanted to lynch Zess, deal with it. I'm not infallible.

On February 16 2013 19:37 risk.nuke wrote:
Okey, I'd like some reasoning from everyone that voted on anyone. Zess/yamato voters why you voted one over the other. I don't care if it's "I just sheeped x" as long as it's true. And if what pathetically little some of you had for reasoning really is all you had that is fine too but you will be held accountable for that.

On February 16 2013 06:28 risk.nuke wrote:
I'm still can't see Zess as being supersoft.
Earlier I felt like killing him and the only thing stopping me was the lurkers. My sentiment haven't changed. I will back a lynch on someone who've done jack this game. Otherwise
##Vote: Zessionar

On February 16 2013 07:16 risk.nuke wrote:
I've changed my mind, I don't want to lynch Vivax. He used to be in my done-jack pile and I recalled his recent accusations as rather week. On a second look he actually looks fairly fine, and at very least better then that I would trust a last minute vote switch too him.

On February 16 2013 07:34 risk.nuke wrote:
Can't for the life of me understand what yamato have done to warrant being lynched over Zess. Seriously what are you doing! Zess who straight out changed his mind about his reasoning when questioned. That fucking translates to he made up his reasoning.

Can somebody tell me why a townie would do that?

On February 16 2013 07:59 risk.nuke wrote:
I will fry your lurking arses so hard tomorrow if yamato flips green.
##vote: yamato

On February 16 2013 08:04 risk.nuke wrote:
stop posting on your non-smurf accounts. It's against the rules.
And shit supersoft. you've changed to the worse.

On February 16 2013 08:05 risk.nuke wrote:
... Dumbest fucking luck I ever saw...

On January 31 2013 09:46 Vivax wrote:
By the way, if they're too stupid to coordinate each other's reads with each other, then it's their own problem, they would probably defend each other into oblivion by doing that.

One's mistake is the other's. No mercy for this disruptive element.

On February 01 2013 00:44 Vivax wrote:
Scum: EZ + xsksc>Prom>Sharrant

Pretty sure about EZ, unsure about everyone else.

Assuming that there's only one NK tonight.
Do what you want, just posting this for postgame :>

On January 31 2013 10:20 Vivax wrote:
My suspicion started with this question:





Other than that, it's up to others to decide if he's scum.I can point to things, I can't hammer arguments into your head.

On February 01 2013 00:53 Vivax wrote:
That's a really good point Djo.

Do you guys have any reasons to believe EZ is town so far?

On February 01 2013 01:04 Vivax wrote:
I think EZ + Sharrant scum team makes sense at this point.

On February 01 2013 01:11 Vivax wrote:






They've given pretty easy reasons to read each other as town so quickly.

I find it weird anyway that you say to a scumread of yours: "OH nice, I'm sure you're town now".
A little of confirmation bias should always be there when you genuinely believe that you're talking to scum.

I suggest you simply read their filters imagining them as scum team.

EZ bussing thrawn with two dangly filters, Sharrant reluctantly calling thrawn a lurker lynch after he suspected him for lurking initially.

On February 01 2013 01:13 Vivax wrote:
What's even more fishy is that Sharrant gives EZ a townread for doing the exact opposite of what he himself wanted to do: Lynch yamato for his behaviour.

That was clearly acting.

On February 01 2013 01:17 Vivax wrote:
Who's with me to lynch either EZ or Sharrant tomorrow?

On February 01 2013 01:41 Vivax wrote:
How about you start listing the things that supposedly make you town?

On February 16 2013 23:54 marvellosity wrote:


Ignore this post out of hand. I don't look scummy, except to the person who managed to rack up a whole bunch of votes for playing so atrociously on day 1, and possible scum Toad.

protect syllo or sand, like syllo or sand said.

On February 17 2013 01:37 Hopeless1der wrote:




Try Again

On February 17 2013 08:17 marvellosity wrote:


did you read the fucking thread? lol

On February 17 2013 10:31 Vivax wrote:
Wtf are you guys even talking about, Toad didn't announce his shot until resolution period began. So far only Zess claimed to have seen the crumb.

On February 17 2013 07:28 Zessionar wrote:
filter him, he said marv might or might not die tonight...
vivax dude!!! I somehow think you're a cool guy, but you tend to really drive me insane with your stuff sometimes...
I think you're too sloppy with your stuff sometimes... if you read more, you could be a really good player...

On February 16 2013 08:06 WeWinMafia wrote:
Marv might or might not be dead by tomorrow. Just sayin

On February 17 2013 12:55 WeWinMafia wrote:
I'd really still like a marv lynch to be honest.

I mean I hinted it for a reason. I wanted to either get shot or roleblocked and I did get roleblocked, which most likely means mafia doesn't want people dead that I want dead.

On February 18 2013 05:04 marvellosity wrote:
anyway i have a suggestion.

Feel free to lynch me today, I can see there's no getting out of that.

But interact with me when I'm around as if I'm a townie. Don't just go "LOL HE IS MAFIA DON'T LISTEN"

because in my time remaining in the game i'd quite like to be able to find the other mafia.

deal?

On February 18 2013 07:53 grush57 wrote:
hey guys, i don't know if this is a good idea or what it means but,
I am Jailer and I rbed zessionar

On February 18 2013 08:57 Zessionar wrote:


you shouldn't have claimed that... if you think i am town, that was a bad move.

On February 18 2013 09:23 marvellosity wrote:
yes.

the insight i was trying to give, is that in all of bugs' setups he hosts, roleblocks are always notified

so toad would take the assumption that this is the case in this game too, and 'claim' roleblock

except with grush jailing you and no notification, it seems that isn't the case.

I think Toad claimed rb to make himself look good, on the assumption that roleblocks are notified, except they aren't

On February 18 2013 09:25 Zessionar wrote:


Or he is scum, wanted to shoot someone else and got RB and thats where our missing KP is :-p

On February 18 2013 09:30 marvellosity wrote:
Zess: you know Toad better than anyone.

as mafia, would he pull a stunt like "pretending" to shoot me? if so, why?

On February 18 2013 09:35 Zessionar wrote:


actually Toad and I talk about some stuff from time to time and we're laughing about everyone else and McNürnbergers
But right now i am not sure...

What's the benefit for scum to do that... And even claim a RB after that... I think that's a little bit too much stuff don't you think? ahhh I will reread that situation... I have some things in mind that could have happened...

On February 18 2013 09:42 marvellosity wrote:


yeah, that's my problem with the toad mafia theory. i don't understand at all why he'd pretend to shoot me at all.

On February 18 2013 22:55 sandroba wrote:
I need to know if any town RBed WeWinMafia. Since the likely checks were Matt/Coag/OO and the RB was framer seems a bit random and wasteful for mafia to have RBed him.

On February 18 2013 23:29 marvellosity wrote:


not a lot. maybe he's vig, maybe he's not. maybe toad's being an ass.

On February 19 2013 01:06 marvellosity wrote:
naturally i'm probably wrong about that too

On February 19 2013 01:09 Vivax wrote:


You're retarded.

On February 19 2013 02:15 syllogism wrote:
I think the main problem with the day vig is that once you see two different people with one, town will immediately start to suspect one of those is mafia. This is particularly the case after town realizes that mafia only has 1 night kp

On February 19 2013 02:18 Zessionar wrote:
and toads play at the end of night1 was awesome. Really really awesome.
I was almost convinced that marv is town before that and i kept tunneling him to give us the guarantee to survive that night, since no scumteam shoots two townies that heavily fight each other.
Toads thing completely turned me around again... I mean marv recovered from that with his reasonable play during d2, but it was still an awesome move.

On February 19 2013 02:25 marvellosity wrote:


clearly not as he died the next day anyway

On February 19 2013 02:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Yes. I found his comments completely out of line and would consider not playing with him again for that reason. Mafia is a game in which the boundary between playing to win and just having as much of a good time as possible blur quickly. I've hosted a MTG Mafia game myself where I believe Marv and Acrofales got into a massive argument as the result of a tunnel that lasted too long. I didn't actually step in until one of the players pointed it out by PM, after which I realized that it had indeed gone too far. It's a very emotional game to play.

Calling players retards for not seeing you're town without providing arguments is something that creates an extremely hostile atmosphere, especially when you do it as often as supersoft has done in this game. Not only that, but actually going as far as using out of game threats (saying he wouldn't play with them anymore if they voted for him) is completely out of proportion. It furthermore has the problem that you either only say it as town and therefore indicate your alignment, or you're using grave threats and calling people moronic for things that are outright false.

Perhaps it's become standard in TL Mafia games, I don't know as I haven't participated in many recently, but the tenacity and ferocity of some of these wordings really got to me, and it was hard to contain myself not to just tunnel him for exactly that as I hate that kind of arrogant behaviour. It's really something you need to encounter before realizing how frustrating it can be to play with that, so I don't blame bugs for not taking action. I'm curious to hear the rest of you guys' thoughts on it.

Also, the lack of an apology, rather ignoring the issue and even calling it annoying ticked me off even further.

On February 19 2013 03:12 marvellosity wrote:
it's the kinda thing that pisses me off in game, but i get annoyed and post bad things in games too.

after the game it all kinda washes away and i don't care anymore.