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it shall hence forth be known that I will do everything in my power to prevent administrative actions against my person caused by my own inability to post in a sufficient way. | ||
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On February 14 2013 08:20 risk.nuke wrote: I like that logic, I wish liking it made it true. You on the other hand, I don't like one bit, nor your scummy shenanigans. Why do you want to randomlynch me? Furthermore why me rather then somebody else? Just a guess but I think the purpose of a random lynch is it being random. Why do you feel the need to even ask this when it's clearly bullshit he's doing right now? | ||
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##vote Vivax but sady it's not how we lynch  ##unvote | ||
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Claiming Sandro for example was the reason for picking this particular nick but as he joined the game there's no way I'll be using that one, so no problem telling you guys. Have fun guessing. | ||
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On February 14 2013 10:47 grush57 wrote: Anyone there who wants to join in? Nobody has done something stupid yet to start a real discussion going. :'( Care to explain? | ||
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On February 14 2013 10:51 grush57 wrote: Hello, nice to know your here. Usually someone does something outrageous so people can actually put opinions out on it to create actual discussion and then by how people react can clue in on their roles, ya see? funny. And here I thought we already had some of those guys. | ||
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On February 15 2013 00:25 sandroba wrote: Care to point out what posts you found outrageous? This string of questions do indeed seem pointless especially given the lack of follow up. sure, here you go: On February 14 2013 07:13 Coagulation wrote: hey guys im town. On February 14 2013 07:21 WeWinMafia wrote: awesome Coag is town. Only 14 more people to figure out. On February 14 2013 07:33 Zessionar wrote: 13, since I am town, too Not outrageous but people trolling each other. Usually that kind of stuff attracts new guys and they ask what's going on, just like Grush thought it would happen. On February 14 2013 07:38 Zessionar wrote: ##vote: risk.nuke he has a 26,66 % chance to flip scum. a (supposedly?) random vote done by Zess 30 minutes into the game. Again, something people usually talk about early on if they don't know the guy who's proposing it. On February 14 2013 07:41 Zessionar wrote: Again Zess and me trolling each other when there's nothing in the thread yet. I replied with utter bullshit and he replied with utter bullshit to my bullshit. Got to admit I was laughing pretty good around that time especially when I saw Coags smurf comment.well, but since I think I know why you think he's town, I think both of you are town and you're even more townish to me. So that's why I wanted him to explain. From my point of view we had a bunch of people trolling each other, not being serious, except for risk who got in the thread defending himself because of a random (?) vote on him by some nobody noone was taking serious anyways. So if anything I would have expected grush to say something along the lines of "weird that noone's picking up on those things" rather than have him state that none of those things exist, which made me think he's either not reading or taking everything serious. When he answered the laya/risk-question I realized that I asked grush that question and that I'm not going to get anything useful out of him anyways so I ignored him. I thought he might answer seriously because I considered risk's behavior early on to be overdefensive for no reason and grush had him down as one of the two guys to lynch as well so I assumed he in serious mode. | ||
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On February 15 2013 01:27 syllogism wrote: WeWinMafia are you going to claim who you are and explain the motivation behind the strange post in which you describe your smurfing strategy? well I'm really bad at smurfing I guess... And when both hiro and Zess mentioned it I immediatly realized I should not have posted what gave me away immediatly... There was no reason behind smurfing other than wanting to try out smurfing once, so I tried to keep it up with some kind of a story. But both hiro and Zess figured me out due to something I told them (at least Zess) in pm's... so no way faking that I guess. | ||
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On February 15 2013 02:09 marvellosity wrote: er. are you toad or did i get the wrong end of the stick yes... That's not what I asked though. I'm asking you what you're making of the situation. What do you make of the conversation between him and me, his focus on this whole thing and him being happy about finding me. | ||
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Yeah I'm pretty certain. He gave himself away when giving me away thanks to pm conversations I'm not allowed to post (I think?)... And because fuck you for outing me Supersoft :p | ||
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You're making it almost look like you want to treat claimed masons as confirmed town when there is no reason to do such a thing in a closed set-up. ESPECIALLY with you telling people we want them claimed it's a good move for mafia and there's plenty other ways to deal with masons: Force them to do what I did last time I rolled mason. Don't let people get away with masoning people like Grush or Vivax d1 and expect people to mason people like Sandro / Syllo / Marv if there are masons to begin with. Mafias usually are to afraid to mason people like that and if they do it nevertheless who cares, plently of time for strong people to figure them out in pm-land. A planned mason claim just adds chaos for no gain at all... | ||
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Marvs filter looks pretty atrocious right now: ##vote marvellosity I'm off getting myself something to eat because my Schnitzel just turned into a junk of black coal. So I've got to go to McD again. I'm expecting something by the time I'm back | ||
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I don't trust other peoples food if it's a mixture of a lot of things. Could be anything in there. Yes I'm that paranoid in real life as well. Anyways am gone now for real. | ||
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If you're willing to get serious and post some I'm willing to postpone said reading and talk some about whatever you want to talk about. | ||
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On February 15 2013 06:18 marvellosity wrote: is there anyone or anything in particular you wanted to talk about, toad? nope. I'd like you to pick someone or something. | ||
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come on. you keep on doing these oneliner questions and only comment about stuff innitiated by other people. I've yet to see you do something on your own. | ||
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On February 15 2013 06:34 marvellosity wrote: funny how grush understands yet toad doesn't. strange world. funny how we have Coag, marv, Syllo, Sandro and layabout pretty much ignoring the thread right now and grush is totally fine with it. I get that a lot of those people are usually quiet early on but the thread is dead as already pointed out... But whatever, yes I'm talking out of my ass and Zess is apparently doing the same hoping we get some activity here somehow. Won't keep on pretending like anyone is interested in talking if noone is... So see you around midnight, probably will be done around that time. | ||
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On February 15 2013 06:49 marvellosity wrote: i'm clearly here and posting and willing to respond to conversation. how is this 'ignoring' the thread? stop saying nonsense. as I already said, I want people like you to say something themselves and not just have people respond to whatever all day long. Talk about little things you consider weird, that get's people talking. | ||
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I'm doing that / tried doing that. Read what I posted about risk earlier? Asking grush about why he considers laya a decent lynch was for the same reason until I realized I just asked grush that question. Other people did it somewhat as well, which is the reason I picked you unlike people like Syllo and Sandro who post little but give us something decent to go with every now and then. On February 15 2013 06:55 layabout wrote: WeWinMafia(Toad) why did you miss out ObviuosOne, HiroPro and Mattchew? The people I mentioned should have no problem sharing some of their thoughts. I don't know if that's true for the 3 you just mentioned. | ||
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I ask you to do something Marv, you basicly tell me to shut the fuck up in an agressive manner because it's how you usually play d1 (agree) and proceed to tackle coag nontheless after people just delurked? I'm totally fine with what you just said but that in combination with the timing makes your "shut up I do what I want"-post really overagressive. Odd to say the least. Just a funny coincidence you only now realized Coag looks bad or did that have something to do with my plea to come up with something yourself? It makes no sense unless you felt like you should do something imo. Emphasize on "should". | ||
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On February 15 2013 07:53 Coagulation wrote: I think the only reason marv mentioned me was so he could make a sick brag post about catching my scum team day 1 last mafia game we played. just sayin. It still does raise the question why he did it about that time when I asked him to come up with something himself, when people like Sandro and laya delurked and you got in the thread telling people you're reading about burgers ( :3 ). He could have done that anytime he wanted to if that was the reasoning for posting it and he never actually considered you "weird" to begin with. Looks an awful lot like he's trying to look like he doesn't care with his agressive post towards me telling me to shut up while actually caring a lot about it. There's just no reason for marv to make that kind of post if he gives in nonetheless just a couple minutes later. | ||
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On February 15 2013 08:08 Coagulation wrote: you bitched about him not contributing. He told you to fuck off. then contributed. I dont see the problem. If anything is off about what just happened it would be grush trying to push marv to keep lynching me out of nowhere. Scum fucking love to ride other peoples cases. the problem is him telling me to fuck off inbetween for no reason when he apparently agreed with it. That's an odd shift of "what is marv going to do in the near future". | ||
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On February 15 2013 09:04 Coagulation wrote: do we have anything to base that on? if its just speculation then we might as well just discuss hamburgers again. you apprently don't, Just ignore it. I asked Supersoft about it because I know he thinks the same way I do about that kind of stuff. | ||
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On February 15 2013 23:04 Zessionar wrote: Okay, we have about 9 hours left if i am correct: 2. ObviousOne Filter 4. Mattchew Filter 7. HiroPro Filter 10. Hopeless1der Filter 11. Artanis[Xp] Filter 13. yamato77 Filter 14. grush57 Filter 15. layabout Filter [...]. The four I bolded are the ones we should be looking into imo. Only got out of my bed just now (lol ) so haven't done a thing yet. Yamato definitly posts less and is less "in your face" than what he is when he rolled town the last 2 games. Marv mentioned he's playing in another game, so if that's true that might be it but I have to look into that one...that just strikes as odd after he failed so miserable as mafia because he had no time to time. I would have thought he learned his lesson to not play too many games at once no matter of alignment :pHe's also posting a bit more than he did in my game (when he rolled mafia) but in the end I'd say him trying to improve his mafiaplay is the more reasonable assumption than him playing worse than his usual town, even with what Marv said. That being said I can understand how he got votes. That being said it was weird when Marv announced that he thinks hopeless is the weirdest out of these people. That being said reasoning given by people who don't know him is mostly not alignment indicative at all, like the 2nd part of what Laya posted when voted, so he got votes for all the wrong reasons imo. Trying to figure this out. I'd say we focus on these 4 and I'm trying to re-read some. | ||
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On February 16 2013 00:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Toad 1) Seems like a weird claim since Syllo joined, but he could've meant that it was a possibility if both syllo and sandro weren't in the game. However, it clutters up the thread and provides no meaningful information yet it can derail the thread in a discussion about this topic. 2) Large ball of fluff giving very little information. 3) Correct, but again, more setup talk and nothing regarding alignments yet. Something he also did in the game I hosted where he hydra'd with I believe Marv. Kept talking about the setup with little scumhunting being done, but doing just enough so people presumed he was town. 4) Vote with no justification other than "filter looks atrocious", no case or anything. Wants other people to do his dirty work. 5) Claims to be active, but all his posts pretty much consist of fluff, including this one. More interested in confrontation rather than helping town further. Yeah, I don't like toad. His posts are full of fluff and wants other people to do his work. He talks more about setup then anything else, and claims to be active while not actually saying anything. That said, there is a careless aura about him that makes me wonder. Nevertheless.. ##Unvote ##Vote: WeWinMafia 1) Sry as mentioned it's the first time I'm smurfing. I made something up to keep the show running instead of just giving in because again, I smurfed because I wanted to smurf once and that's all there is to it. 2) How is that fluff. Sandro asked me to be more specific about it and I got more specific about it. Yes it's nothing alignment indicating I'm mentioning because I pointed out things that could have been odd but didn't end up being odd. That's because I was asked to... 3) Zess was pushing for a mason claim. I thought it's a bad idea. You think I should have ignored it? Of course I'm going to tell him I don't claims if he wants something as drastical as claims on d1. 4) It's called a pressure vote because again, he did nothing but oneliners up to that point and I wanted him to start doing something. It worked out I might add. 5 Idk, not much to say here other than that I disagree. Yes I post some fluff, probably more than most people. No I don't consider everything in my filter fluff like you make it out to be. You'll find that to be true in every single game I play. I usually do bullshit on d1 on purpose to get some conversations going even if that means it's on the back of me and I did get some criticism for it postgame sometimes but I still think it's the best to do if town is sleeping. You can't get content out of thin air, you have to start somewhere and that's how I do it. | ||
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On February 16 2013 01:30 Zessionar wrote: idk. I thought it was supposed to be a joke because of the phrasing. Perhaps you read to much into my initial post?what if i told you that i wasn't joking back then and this statement confused me? thoughts? On February 16 2013 01:31 Vivax wrote: I focused on Risk, Yamato and Marv so far if that's what you mean.Toad, did you read the filters of those people you are interested in? Yes I had a look at the other filters but not in detail and I'm doing it right now. | ||
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On February 16 2013 01:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Fair enough. It's fluff because you said something in 6 lines that you could've said in one: It's a terrible idea because it can be abused by scum and they might try to use it as a ploy. Pressure votes tend to mean a lot more when you actually expand about them and give your opinion. You spend your time more on things that aren't alignment indicative rather than using the time to analyze players and find who's scum. It seems like you're more interested in keeping a status quo than doing research. Do you have links to some games where you were town in mini games? Preferably recent, and anyone may answer that. go ahead and ask people like Marv and Supersoft what they think about my style of posting and you'll find out that if your criteria of fluff is "posted something he could have said in 5 lines in 10 or even 15 lines" and you'll find out that that'll be true for 99% of all my posts on TL... even outside mafia. I'd usually call posts that don't have anything in them fluff whereas posts that have a lot of text in them and a rather small nuclear that is the gist of it useful because it shows your thoughtprocess way better and that's the thing we want to look into after all... Basicly you're (or my, I numbered them after all) point 3 and 4 are completly opposed to each other imo. In 3 you tell me I'm posting fluff because I'm going on way to much when posting when I could be more frank about it and just bring it in a two-liner instead. In 4 you accuse me to not give enough reasoning and that I'm not expanding on my thoughtprocess (I think I did in the part you are quoting btw). I'm going on and posting so much to make sure my line of reasoning is understandable if you're willing to read it. About other minis... idk I was town in Keirathi's C9++ other than that I haven't played a lot of minis recently. I only started playing again 1 month or maybe 2 months ago. | ||
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Yamato on the other hand looks bad because he's just not his usual self. He's in no way or form anywhere near as "in your face" as he usually is when rolling town. Doesn't look like he's his usual tunnelish-I'm-100%-certain-no-matter-what-self at all. I'd say Yamato is the best course of action and lynching into any of the other three (Matt / Oo / Hiro) would only be a choice if we happen to not have a suitable lynchcandidate. But we have one. ##vote Yamato | ||
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##unvote Marv ##vote Yamato | ||
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I know we asked each other 3 questions in german, somehow encrypted with a question in german to decrypt it. The first one was me saying something along the lines of "lol just want to screw with those silly americans because they don't have an Ä on their keyboard to type the answer in". The second one was something about some guy being too serious. The third one was about how the game ger vs netherlands would end. were you mafia or town in that game? | ||
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do you have the name of that game? I'd like to re-read some of it. I thought you're town as well and when you did those posts about McCurrywurst I thought about that game but wasn't sure about wether you were actually town or mafia in it. Not even what alignment I was but I think I was town as well :p | ||
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On February 16 2013 03:38 syllogism wrote: What exactly are you trying to accomplish with this? Do you not think that he is supersoft? I'm trying to find that game and re-read it because I can't remember the name. I know Supersoft hates people who are spammy (for example me) but I also know that he LOVES doing it himself with german people like Eran and me. Said game was the reason I leaned town on Supersoft based on McCurrywurst although he usually doesn't do that kind of stuff. It's kind of a thing between us. I need to make sure if he was town in that game though. | ||
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On June 14 2012 02:51 supersoft wrote: uh that's neat. I think we actually should abuse this. Our number 8. + Show Spoiler + ##### Encrypted: decrypt with http://www.fourmilab.ch/javascrypt/ ZZZZZ TSPAM HTLVH FUJOQ QVXHQ AAIPU SJGJD AGPRR VDSTU SDBLD WQUAE TROHM NOPOI MJBVA HUAAU SMIGG WXRPA MEMVB CPAXD TCUUS NOSJQ WCUKF AXAHC SACDJ AXCIJ EIDJM OOMSJ ABTOX GWFPT OLRJG IDGTW VMJPW PTEJM AUWUP JOMCM XPTXN MCPAV FNHNV OHTUG BIQXS NNIJL BVHSG SWDGX XVFGA UQDLA CSSBH CJTIM THENW MVVFE PEOWA JNPMP HMMJO HUMAJ FSOEL HFXJF VELIS AEUVK RRNVX NHXOF UBUDE RVEJH UFFPI LLGQH THPGH LLBTE RODFK EXESP FXOIB JTVPN WBHOE XAJHF ETGIK QOORG RHMLA PSSUH CGIQP BRHJE CMRNN LHXXB MWALA VWWEW DFWMB JCHKR NIWMX RHKVU PNVIW XTXEJ NWGBE OBBWX HVQDN IEIMG GQVAW GTLWX FEMQI QOKTS ILDUK IROKE QFICF JUOVO GHJAO RXNAU MNFLG LTOTX QRZZZ YYYYY ##### End encrypted message ##### End encrypted message Open the spoilers and the quotes. That's what I meant when talking about "it's kind of a thing between Supersoft and me to talk like that in games". And it went on like that, people got mad in the thread about our german and stuff like that. So again, we both were town in that game and I took his carefree, spammy attitude around that time (in this game) as a very much townish trait considering it was me he was talking to. I really don't see a reason why we should lynch him instead of people like Yamato, especially considering that he's one of the guys posting a bunch unlike most other people. | ||
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On February 16 2013 03:56 grush57 wrote: [...] WeWinMafia Pretty antitown dude with the smurfing stuff, I don't think his super early game stuff didn't really indicate either role as it is d1,. I'm not sure he is being his Toad self, of which I have never been good at identifying their role. [...] so basicly you're telling us I'm mafia because I chose to smurf this game, because it's anti-town? Well sorry, the decision to smurf was done way before I got my alignment. The rest reads "idk anything about him but I have to admit I usually can't read him at all". So there's 3 points:
Correct? Because you lable that as pretty anti-town dude. | ||
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On February 16 2013 04:46 Toadesstern wrote: picture your dreamcar. A car you always wanted to have but never managed to get it because you're broke or forgot about it. Now you finally get it, it's you first day driving and you ram in straight into a wall, perhaps with damage beyond the point for it to be reasonable to be repaired. Do you just go away thinking "screw it" or do you panick trying to safe the situation somehow, although it makes no sense? As I said, I wanted to smurf once. I never smurfed before and I wanted to try it out no matter of alignment, so I made that decision pre-game and told WBG about it. I even got some pm's with Marv pre-game where he's asking me why I'm not playing. And those pm's aren't even lies, I really don't have a lot of time right now It probably was really stupid to say what I said at that point but again, I wanted to try smurfing just once... oh I was logged in as Toad because of liquid pasture... my bad. Why was it so easy to hydra as Samual...whatever together with Sandro but now that it's just a smurf it's so hard | ||
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you think Yamato not being all over the place isn't alignment indicative? | ||
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On February 16 2013 06:02 syllogism wrote: Toad where are you? Your play has been very defensive and the yamato switch looked a bit opportunistic. Shouldn't you be here giving us something since right now the decision is likely going to be between you and yamato? how is it opportunistic? I've said everything there is and I think Yamato is the only reasonable lynch for today. I already said why the stuff Artanis said about me is bullshit, other people (either you or Marv?) mentioned it as well and that nothing he said is alignment indicative. Sandro hasn't said a thing about why he considers me suspicious until very recently and it boils down to some weird confirmation bias ("yes what syllo says may be correct but I think it's looking townish because he wants to look townish"...) and him saying I should be agressive towards him when he should know himself that the last time I pushed him d1 I was town myself and ended calling a mislynch on him while calling him stupid. There's just nothing to say about that kind of stuff. Again, Yamato is the only reasonable lynch for today imo, you basicly agreed as well and unless you consider Supersoft to be mafia and Yamato to be town there's just no reason to even consider me right now. Sandro agrees as well, saying "Yamato doesn't look to ho" or something like that when 4 people votes Supersoft while only 3 were on Yamato and I kept telling people (like you) to stick to Yamato because the case on Supersoft was retarded. That just doesn't make sense unless you think I'm defending a scumbuddy Supersoft. About your "why is noone voting Toad" point: Mafias don't usually vote me. I'm getting traction every time I'm town and there's always people pushing me like a bunch of retards (remember Vivax?). Mafias usually end up saying I'm town to ride the towncred train after it's proven that I'm town. At least it was that way the last 3 times I played as town. So to sum it up: I'm watching TL vs EG right now. Not much to say that hasn't already been said. There's no reason to repeat myself, now is there? | ||
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On February 16 2013 06:17 layabout wrote: am i missing something or does the "case" on toad come down to this? i know artanis made a post but i personally found it unconvincing and it wasn't the cause of the votes. yes it is... | ||
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On February 16 2013 06:50 grush57 wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: risk.nuke everyone willb e happy with this ... why? | ||
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On February 16 2013 07:04 marvellosity wrote: Just browsing through the filter there (in Hero Mafia for anyone wondering) it seems clear he cared way more for how the lynch turned out than here. Even in his last post here he's saying he's happy with how things are going and not trying to convince anyone. The problem is Toad is doing the exact same thing, and there's a shitload of people absent. I have to afk for 25 mins. sigh i don't know dude. I'm kind of telling people to lynch Yamato every 15 minutes. And telling grush to shut up and stop doing bullshit 50 minutes prior to deadline when we need to focus on one guy that has a reasonable chance of being lynched. (yeah I didn't say that, but that's what "...why?" should be read as). I just think the difference of Yamatos play is way more telling than anything else pointed out by people and I'm sticking to it. You're telling me that it could be Yamato not being around and that's the reason for him not jumping into peoples faces foots-first yet you're totally ignoring that possibility for Vivax. You've been telling me to lynch hopeless who I considered to be a slight townread if anything, asked Syllo about his opinion to make sure I'm not the only one thinking that way and he apparently agreed as well. You've been telling me to lynch Supersoft, a guy I had a townread on as well, a guy who was active and trying to get something happening although it didn't work out as well as he might have wanted it. You've been telling me to lynch me, which I obviously don't like and now you're telling me to lynch Vivax instead of Yamato while there's not a single reason to not lynch Yamato mentioned by anyone. Take a look at what all the people say about him and you'll find out that Sandro & Syllo waffle about him being a really good lynch candidate but don't want to vote him. You say it's alignment indicative but don't want to vote him either. Out of nowhere this Supersoft bullshit appeared. Out of nowhere grush gets in here and tells people to lynch risk when there's about 0 chance get make that happen right now. Remember when I said I just don't agree with an awful lot of what you're saying? That's what I'm referring to... | ||
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On February 16 2013 07:18 layabout wrote: if you won't kill yamato vivax in will make a better lynch than zess and i will switch if needed yeah agree, I still don't like the kind of waffle-resistance we have here. It's not like marv's points on Vivax are untrue or anything like that it's just really odd that all this is happening in combination. I'm not going to vote Zess either, so if I have to I'll vote vivax but I'd really, really, really prefer yamato with all this waffeling going on. | ||
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On February 16 2013 07:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Can someone give me a rundown on why Yamato is scum? I'm at home now so I can actually read shit again but there's not much time. picture gonzaw on steriods in the famous game we're supposed to never forget (god I can't remember game names...). That's how yamato plays as townie. | ||
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On February 16 2013 07:50 grush57 wrote: i don't like either wagons. ##Unvote ##Vote: ObviousOne do we have enough ppl to switch? there isn't a single reason for ObviousOne to be alive, unlike zess and yamato. wtf is that | ||
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On February 16 2013 08:07 marvellosity wrote: this lynch is actually pretty amazing given how hotly it was contested. it's actually pretty amazing that you told me to lynch hopeless (slight townread imo), to lynch Supersoft (townread imo), to lynch me (duh) and to lynch Vivax (nullread given the flip I guess?) instead of Yamato who was a good lynch according to you. Not to mention all this no-lynch bullshit 10 minutes prior to deadline because people are mad at something. Not to mention Sandro and Syllo waffeling about Yamato as well although they both concluded him to be the best possible lynch for today. | ||
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On February 16 2013 08:13 marvellosity wrote: without me there would have been a no-lynch. get over yourself. i don't think so. | ||
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On February 16 2013 08:24 HiroPro wrote: Btw, everyone should note that Artanis was not the majority voter on yamato - he came afterwards. Additionally, he was a person who constantly defended yamato by attempting to frame the case on him as being about lurking instead the extremely strange behavior in the beginning (which Artanis also attempted to explain away) and by complaining about the wagon being fast. The most suspicious part about the wagon thing is where he says the yamato wagon is too fast while ignoring the super wagon which was actually bigger and faster-developing. while I agree it is not only the case for Artanis. The same goes for Marv and I don't care that much who was the #10, the #9 or even the #7 and #8 on the vote-list. It's all pretty much the same. As syllo said, it's extended majority, mafia had to assume there might be people willing to switch just for the sake of avoiding a no-lynch and I don't give a crap about wether marv or Artanis made the majority at all. Both defended Yamato in an unreasonable way. Marv more so than Artanis. Both pushed other people instead, especially around the time when it got close out of nowhere and again 10 minutes prior to the deadline. Both were happy to sheep people for no particular reason and were happy to vote anyone but Yamato. Not sure what to make of Grush right now. His actions were by far the worst but he's grush after all... | ||
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On February 16 2013 08:30 marvellosity wrote: and if you don't care who hammered mafia, you shouldn't be playing mafia, frankly. You hammering yamato has nothing to do with your alignment. If you're town you hammered him although you thought he's a bad lynch because you wanted to avoid a NL. If you're mafia you hammered him because you were scared some random townie might hammer him to avoid a NL and feared to be forced into action. Both are perfectly fine explanations for the situation we've got and saying one or the other is more likely is bullshit right now. Given the fact that you have been willing to vote everyone and their dog except for yamato prior to deadline I'd say the 2nd one is far more likely. | ||
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On February 16 2013 08:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Yeah Matt, we lynched scum in the last minute so the natural first thing to do is to scrutinize those that hammered him. Would you rather look into people who voted him early? | ||
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On February 16 2013 23:54 marvellosity wrote: Ignore this post out of hand. I don't look scummy, except to the person who managed to rack up a whole bunch of votes for playing so atrociously on day 1, and possible scum Toad. protect syllo or sand, like syllo or sand said. thefuck dude. You still haven't given a single reason for thinking I am mafia except for "Sandro knows Toad, let's sheep Sandro because he said Toad might be mafia in a oneliner without explaining!" and you keep on doing this. Again, you're the guy who told me to lynch Supersoft / hopeless / myself instead of Yamato based on a sheep without explanation, when you had all the reason to sheep him on Yamato as well. Sandro said Yamato is looking bad as well yet you somehow ended up being totally fine sheeping everything he said except for the one thing you came up with yourself as well. That's odd isn't it? | ||
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On February 17 2013 00:40 marvellosity wrote: One just off the top of my head. You calling votes on mafia "irrelevant" after saying in LIX, as town, that we solved the game in large part through voting patterns. Just shit like that. You're just lying, when did I tell you to lynch supersoft? Why are you lying? Remember the ven-diagram I did? It's exactly the same thing here and that awesome Ven-diagram figured out Vivax by just combining 2 slight mafia-traits (it was "voting mafia late" and "willingness to vote the counterwagon" if I remember correctly). I'm not calling votes on mafia irrelevant. I'm saying that it makes you look bad to be voting him so late when you should have been perfectly fine voting Yamato according to your own reasoning, but you apparently weren't. Again, remember the ven diagram post? You've got like 4 mafiatraits hanging over your head right now and not just 2.... | ||
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On February 17 2013 00:46 WeWinMafia wrote: Remember the ven-diagram I did? It's exactly the same thing here and that awesome Ven-diagram figured out Vivax by just combining 2 slight mafia-traits (it was "voting mafia late" and "willingness to vote the counterwagon" if I remember correctly). I'm not calling votes on mafia irrelevant. I'm saying that it makes you look bad to be voting him so late when you should have been perfectly fine voting Yamato according to your own reasoning, but you apparently weren't. Again, remember the ven diagram post? You've got like 4 mafiatraits hanging over your head right now and not just 2.... just in case your mafiamind is refusing to believe what I'm talking about: + Show Spoiler [click me] + On December 22 2012 02:22 Toadesstern wrote: I made a Ven-diagram to explain the situation: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/pkw4k.png) People who voted WBG early on might be a mafia-treat. WBG was the most serious alternative to Wiggles besides Zelblade. Zelblade hasn't flipped yet but I mentioned that I can't imagine Wiggles and WBG both being mafia. Worst case would be wiggles = mafia, WBG = SK imo. Zelblade is still open, so that's why I only include the WBG votes. Also because the one flipped mafia voted WBG and obviously it's in mafias interest to not have Wiggles lynched, even if WBG is SK because they don't know that either. people who voted Wiggles late = the last 3 people imo. Could have added sciberbia if your definition of "late" is "exactly after majority has been reached" but I'd say that's too drastic. Vivax might be getting bonus points for voting morbidius but that's just speculation as long as neither of them flipped. and you're saying I'm a liar because I don't usually consider "late votes on mafia" a mafiatrait? Not only did I do it, it fucking works ALL THE TIME. The reason I said I don't care about the timing (and I added something about the lines of "wether it's #7,#8,#9 or #10 on the votelist) is because those people are all in the same boat and I'll eat my hat if not at least one or 2 out of those guys is a mafia who thought he has to switch. | ||
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1) Does anyone besides marv think the following is a lie or misstating the issue: Because he keeps calling me a liar for no reason. The last "liar" was about "toad you don't usually treat late votes on mafias as a mafiatrait" is just completly wrong as shown by the ven-diagram quote I provided from a recent game. It's EXACTLY the same approach, Marv was in the game and he should know it. As mentioned, I don't care so much about Marv but I don't like him calling me a liar or other words when it's in fact just wrong, so I would like to get some opionions on that one. Because last night I was a candidate for lynch because someone said "yeah let's lynch Toad I've got a funny feeling in my stomach" and I don't want that to happen again... 2) Hopeless, do you remember the newbie game I coached? I know I'm constantly asking for games names and it's annoying but I really can't keep track of those things... I know what happened in those games but I can't find them I'm asking you because you either hosted it or coached it as well. I'm asking because there's something interesting in the scum-QT from me. | ||
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On February 17 2013 02:11 marvellosity wrote: your words: "why you were so perfectly fine sheeping Sand on someone you didn't consider a lynch until he mentioned him while no't willing to sheep Sand on someone you wanted dead yourself as well so desperately" you're saying i was willing to sheep sandroba on you, but not yamato, who "I wanted dead so desperately" Please find evidence that I wanted yamato dead so desperately. Otherwise you are indeed lying. On February 15 2013 22:08 marvellosity wrote: Well, his filter is short, which is fairly worrying for yamato. I still didn't see 5-vote worthy, though. He's also in another game so presumably his time is divided. His longer post, while I disagree with some of the thought processes, seem consistent with how I imagine him to play town, it goes from a to b, and it's not angry or irrational. So now I have to go find out exactly why everyone's voting for him. *steals work time* 1) His filter is short, which is a strong tell if you know he's usually playing like gonzaw on steroids. You do know it and you also know that he's very agressive and confident in everything he says, no matter if it's wrong or right. You basicly say that and deny it by soft-defending via a "well he's in 2 games, so he's good"-post. 2) You say his long post isn't good but you think it's how he'd play because it's not angry or irrational. If I recall correctly he was quite angrily pushing either you or both of us in a recent game, tunneling like a mad man. Wasn't he? On February 15 2013 23:04 Vivax wrote: What makes you sure that layabout is town? On February 15 2013 23:05 marvellosity wrote: i'm not sure, but i think he is. his pushes on both hopeless and yamato are logical. So yeah. You don't say it outright but your posts you definitely consider him weird to say the least although you kept on defending him for odd reasons. | ||
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On February 17 2013 02:29 marvellosity wrote: I mean, you're saying I'm defending him, I'm soft-defending him, yet I want him dead so desperately. Doesn't make sense Toad. Not one bit. yes it does. That's the difference between defending someone and soft-defending him like you did. Your posts say you want to lynch him because he's looking bad but you end up finishing in saying "naaah don't want to because of random reason X". That's why I said you want him dead. Your posts still read like you should be very much happy with him being lynched. | ||
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On February 17 2013 03:23 Hopeless1der wrote: @Toad You wrong me, sir. I have not once hosted a newbie nor coached in a newbie game. However, I have located this game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=389091 Is this to your liking? yeah, awesome :D I want you guys to explain me how you search & find these things... I can't find shit on TL and need to learn how to properly learn stuff. Thanks anyways. | ||
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On February 17 2013 07:18 Zessionar wrote: rofl Toad :D Why didn't you wait another night :D awwww now i am extremely afraid :D I did that once. Game was called Arkham city and I shot 3 townies because I tried to shoot 2ndary targets for big plays instead of shooting primary targets due to reasoning like "well X is going to get lynched so I shoot Y instead" or "well X is going to get mediced by mafia if they have a medic so I shoot Y instead". Ended up shooting 3 townies in a row and the people I did NOT shoot always were mafia. I learned my lesson and just shoot dem scummy bastards no matter what :p | ||
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On February 17 2013 07:41 Zessionar wrote: woa marv double my filterpagenumber... and i think i should be #2 in this game... haaaaaah toaddy :D i am scared... no need to be | ||
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Good thing I didn't shoot Marv I guess. | ||
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On February 17 2013 08:07 Toadesstern wrote: I got roleblocked sry, that's me again | ||
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On February 17 2013 08:02 Vivax wrote: So, Toad, you pulled off your stunt. And what do you make with marv's post? Not sure what to make of it yet. I would much rather have seen a screenshot from his sheet than that but I guess it's something. The biggest problem is that I don't know wether he delayed his initial rage-post and already started typing something beforehand to make it look like a quicker reaction but I guess that's far fetched so I'd say I'm back to null on him right now instead of a mafiaread. | ||
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So I'm kind of worried he might have remembered that because we had a pm conversation about that. But again, that's really far fetched. | ||
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On February 17 2013 08:17 grush57 wrote: If u got rbed say so, or shot. we have two claims right now. And I'm off playing a game of dota now. | ||
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On February 17 2013 08:44 layabout wrote: wbg you owe us flavour! I feel like marv is town but it might be beneficial to discuss and clarify why people are suspicious of him. I think we should lynch some of the opposition to yesterday's lynch and at the moment for me that's grush57 or ObviousOne. do you consider marvs late vote on Yamato yesterday a towntell or a mafiatell or a nulltell? Because I'm still sitting here wondering why marv was so fine lynching me based on a sheep based on nothing other than On February 16 2013 00:12 sandroba wrote: .@syllo I'll stick around. I read WeWinMafia's filter thinking he is toad and I think it's very likely he is scum. He was pushing a lot yesterday that wasn't labled "Yamato", who again, was another strong read from Sandro as well. And all that without a proper reasoning except for soft-defenses à la "yeah he looks bad but I don't want to lynch him because of X" | ||
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I mean I hinted it for a reason. I wanted to either get shot or roleblocked and I did get roleblocked, which most likely means mafia doesn't want people dead that I want dead. If it's not going to be Marv I'd say OO looks like the best alternative. I have this habit of thinking mafias are usually smart enough to not risk getting themselved modkills. Idk but I can't remember that ever happening: Someone misses the deadline, comes back, too late, apoligizes and ends up being mafia. I don't think that I have ever seen that while I have seen plenty townies like that. IF a mafia ends up getting modkilled they usually completly abandon the game whereas mafias who don't plan on getting modkilled usually do the RoL. | ||
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On February 17 2013 13:46 grush57 wrote: how do you know mafia has a rb? ##Vote: WeWinMafia might have something to do with the fact that I got roleblocked... duh. Have you ever seen a townroleblocker in a game or are you telling me someone jailed me instead of Sandro / Syllo? Because unless that's what you're telling me mafia has a roleblocker. | ||
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On February 17 2013 14:41 grush57 wrote: lol thats a bad excuse. Yes, there has been a townroleblocker in a LOT of my games. I haven't ever seen one in a single game of mafia on TL I played and think you know that. Now the question is just wether you're being a retard on purpose or not. | ||
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On February 17 2013 14:44 WeWinMafia wrote: I haven't ever seen one in a single game of mafia on TL I played and think you know that. Now the question is just wether you're being a retard on purpose or not. Actually that's not true, I think SSB has the possibility of a town RB and PYP like games as well but this is a normal game so that doesn't count. | ||
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On February 17 2013 14:46 grush57 wrote: ever here of jailers? Toad, you even were(or claimed i dont remember) to roleblock someone in lxiii. lol do you even read my posts? | ||
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On February 17 2013 14:48 grush57 wrote: anyways, toad is scum "holy crap toad just said he got roleblocked by mafia instead of naturally assuming there is a town-RB in a normal game (wtf?) who roleblocked Toad after he was 3rd guy voting Yamato the guy who flipped mafia d1.". Seriously grush, start thinking before you're posting. | ||
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On February 17 2013 15:09 grush57 wrote: why didn't you think of a town rb? because I haven't ever seen a town RB in any of my games. And I don't think it counts as a possible role in normal games in combination with a townalignment. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [click me] +
I clicked the first (or last?) 15 games under "normal" in the database and checked the OP. Out of those 15 games 13 don't include a Town RB. 1 wasn't included (as in I have no idea) because there's nothing in the OP and a SINGLE one states the possibility of Roleblockers among other mafiaroles. However it is not specified that roles like "Godfather" are only possible for mafia, so it might be they were possible to role for townies as well. I doubt it though as again, it's ordered by blue roles -> red roles -> green roles. That means not a single town RB in the 15 games I just checked. Tell me again how unreasonable it is to assume I was roleblocked by mafia. | ||
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Also because I can't believe how stupid you are. Sorry I will ignore you from now on if that makes you a little happier. And I'll do my best to make sure you're getting lynched for this bullshit. ##vote Grush57 | ||
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On February 17 2013 16:10 grush57 wrote: and u didn't have lix where u claimed to rb someone... BECAUSE IT HAD NO FUCKING TOWN RB EITHER AND IT WAS A JAILER. | ||
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17 hours to lynch yamato77 (5) - Zessionar, Vivax, HiroPro, layabout, Hopeless1der HiroPro (2) - Coagulation, marvellosity Zessionar (2) - Artanis[XP], yamato77 marvellosity (1) - WeWinMafia Coagulation (1) - grush57 Not Voting: ObviousOne, Coagulation, Mattchew, Zessionar, risk.nuke From the looks of it (I'm busy right now, no time to check) he was the 2nd person to vote Yamato overall. Really early as well. I'm having trouble picturing him doing that as mafia. My PoV really short: I think we've got a mafia vet, as we do in pretty much every game. Actually I'm fairly certain but you have to figure that stuff out yourself. Asking the right kind of question might help. Said mafia vet is most likely going to be either Marv or Coag imo. I'd still lean on Marv given yesterday. About the not so active players: I don't really want to lynch Vivax and Matt because of what I already said. Vivax because of the above quote. Matt because mafias don't usually risk getting themselved modkilled and pull a RoL instead. So that leaves Grush and OO right now. I'd LOVE lynching Grush but I'm going to sleep over that one to calm down a little... Anyways I'm off playing some game of thrones boardgame with a couple of friends. See you tomorrow. | ||
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I actually don't know if Sandro was protected. We've got a jailer in grush, which was kind of obvious every since he raged out of nowhere. We apparently have 1 KP for team mafia, the Jailer didn't protect Sandro which means there still needs to be some kind of protective role around, which means we either have a medic on top of that, a VET on top of that or an SK-Sandro (bulletproof) on top of that. Jailer+Medic or Jailer+VET is bullshit, especially considering the fact that we have syllo with 2 dayvigs / nightvigs, especially if the assumption that mafia has 1 KP is correct. But even if mafia has more than 1KP that means Sandro got doublestacked and doubleprotected (which means 3 protective roles for us). So the only thing that is left is Sandro being an SK imo but that makes no sense with his posting. If he was an SK he would not have been so happy to shoot risk. Idk, something's wrong here imo. I really don't think we're going to have Jailer + Medic vs a 1KP team mafia or Jailer+Medic+ a 3rd protective role if Sandro was indeed doublestacked. I guess it's some weird kind of all-in because mafia is down 2 players and he thinks it's the only way to win? | ||
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On February 18 2013 10:01 marvellosity wrote: a weird all-in from who, toad? i don't know. Has to be either Grush, Sandro or Zess. Sandro makes no sense given that he flipped us 2 mafias. So either Zess is lying or Grush is lying. | ||
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