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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
February 15 2013 14:39 GMT
#441
On February 15 2013 23:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2013 23:34 Zessionar wrote:
because a townie that wants to win is either honest and says he didnt do his homework or he fucking does his homework and doesnt come up with terrible cases.
first four players... speedanalysis...

Are you serious?


Is this serious? He's clearly looked into the players and pulled things out the filters he found interesting.

What are you trying to pull here, Artanis?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Zessionar
Profile Joined February 2013
Azerbaijan178 Posts
February 15 2013 14:40 GMT
#442
On February 15 2013 23:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
You should ignore yourself then, as the amount of oneliners without content you've posted in this thread far exceeds mine. My posts have been concise and reasoned, whereas yours are + Show Spoiler +
frantic:
On February 15 2013 01:03 Zessionar wrote:
where are you going with that shit, marv?
do you want to make me look bad because of my super-earlygame posts?
screw you.
discussion ends right here.

horribly reasoned:
On February 14 2013 08:41 Zessionar wrote:
i picked risk.nuke, because he's decent as scum and useless and paranoid as town...
if he's town, i hope he'll prove me wrong this game...

Without content
On February 14 2013 21:48 Zessionar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2013 21:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On February 14 2013 21:25 Zessionar wrote:
anyway... do you think syllos play is strange if he's town?

No, because you want to get information out of others since you already know your own role. You can do that by pressure or by asking questions. Since apparently they have history, I don't find it surprising he'd go after Sandroba.
if not, do you think yamatos question implies that it's strange?
if yes, do think it's scummy to call syllos play strange, when it actually isnt strange at all?

His post was before risk clarified that syllo and sandroba knew eachother well and that they can tell if the other is scum quickly. If he simply didn't understand the logic behind it, then I would consider it null. If he does know about their meta, then I'd consider it slightly strange/scummy. I would assume they have meta from the way syllo formulated his question, but I can understand the question.


unvote me.

Downright atrocious:
On February 15 2013 02:18 Zessionar wrote:
Another topic:
Masons, claim!

In general your game has been horrible. I don't know if you're scum or bad town, but I don't see any better candidate so far. How about you take your own advice and reason why your list is good? I'm guessing it's going to come down to the amount of posts, which is a terrible reason as you have a shitton of posts which amount to nothing.

Furthermore
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2013 21:25 Zessionar wrote:
On February 14 2013 21:08 syllogism wrote:
On February 14 2013 20:53 sandroba wrote:
@syllo I don't see anything alignment indicative in matchew's post. If anything, it's slightly townie to say something like that, even though it's not a good way to go about things. I wonder why you singled out that post instead of zessionar who over explained his risk vote and when confronted about his explanation he backed off.


I singled it out because it was one of the few posts with somewhat controversial content and I wanted to see if you would reach reach the same conclusion as I did, which you did. Zessionar's explanation didn't jump out to me as over explaining. I looked at him again and while his explanation seems somewhat nonsensical, he has been fairly active and spammy so far, which is slightly towny. I also think that his question asking why someone else is smurfing is feels genuine, in particular because he himself appears to be smurfing and perhaps thought that WeWinMafia's reasons for smurfing differ from his, perhaps in a way that to him might be alignment indicative.


i am not sure if it's alignment indicative just yet. but yes, i never thought about pretending i am someone else, like he is... at least not as town, since smurfing in general is rather antitown - confusing everyone else with even more strange stuff seems to be too much.
but he just could have made that part up, to keep his identity covered. right now he looks like toadesstern to me... with all the smilies...

On February 14 2013 19:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Then I am voting you again for OMGUS after I already voted for you.


anyway... do you think syllos play is strange if he's town?
if not, do you think yamatos question implies that it's strange?
if yes, do think it's scummy to call syllos play strange, when it actually isnt strange at all?


You say here that smurfing is anti town, yet you decided to smurf yourself without giving away your identity immediately after getting your role. Yet later, you state
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2013 04:28 Zessionar wrote:
how is revealing me "protown"
especially after i revealed myself to toad...

So smurfing is antitown, yet YOU getting revealed is antitown. Care to explain?


I said ____IN GENERAL____ IF you FAIL to read, I cannot help you Idiot.
If you'd just read some of my former games, you'd see that i fucking die extremely early if i reveal myself.

Last two games:

Dessert:
I got the Serialkiller day1 but couldnt get him lynched,
Scumteam AND Serialkiller shot me night1
we lost that game

Toads mafiagame:
I got shot n2 and I correctly named the last two remaining scumteammembers in my final list. We won that game

________________

if I smurf and make sure, that I survive to day3, we win this game. So the general rule doesnt apply for me.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
February 15 2013 14:41 GMT
#443
He claims that townies wouldn't put up a case without much research, yet he throws down 'speed cases'. The word speed case implies to me that he only took a quick look. If he's been more thorough, than that definition seems very off.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
February 15 2013 14:44 GMT
#444
On February 15 2013 23:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
He claims that townies wouldn't put up a case without much research, yet he throws down 'speed cases'. The word speed case implies to me that he only took a quick look. If he's been more thorough, than that definition seems very off.


are they badly researched? do you disagree with what he said in them?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
February 15 2013 14:45 GMT
#445
Marv, are you still planning to lynch me/make a case?
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
February 15 2013 14:46 GMT
#446
On February 15 2013 23:40 Zessionar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2013 23:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
You should ignore yourself then, as the amount of oneliners without content you've posted in this thread far exceeds mine. My posts have been concise and reasoned, whereas yours are + Show Spoiler +
frantic:
On February 15 2013 01:03 Zessionar wrote:
where are you going with that shit, marv?
do you want to make me look bad because of my super-earlygame posts?
screw you.
discussion ends right here.

horribly reasoned:
On February 14 2013 08:41 Zessionar wrote:
i picked risk.nuke, because he's decent as scum and useless and paranoid as town...
if he's town, i hope he'll prove me wrong this game...

Without content
On February 14 2013 21:48 Zessionar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2013 21:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On February 14 2013 21:25 Zessionar wrote:
anyway... do you think syllos play is strange if he's town?

No, because you want to get information out of others since you already know your own role. You can do that by pressure or by asking questions. Since apparently they have history, I don't find it surprising he'd go after Sandroba.
if not, do you think yamatos question implies that it's strange?
if yes, do think it's scummy to call syllos play strange, when it actually isnt strange at all?

His post was before risk clarified that syllo and sandroba knew eachother well and that they can tell if the other is scum quickly. If he simply didn't understand the logic behind it, then I would consider it null. If he does know about their meta, then I'd consider it slightly strange/scummy. I would assume they have meta from the way syllo formulated his question, but I can understand the question.


unvote me.

Downright atrocious:
On February 15 2013 02:18 Zessionar wrote:
Another topic:
Masons, claim!

In general your game has been horrible. I don't know if you're scum or bad town, but I don't see any better candidate so far. How about you take your own advice and reason why your list is good? I'm guessing it's going to come down to the amount of posts, which is a terrible reason as you have a shitton of posts which amount to nothing.

Furthermore
On February 14 2013 21:25 Zessionar wrote:
On February 14 2013 21:08 syllogism wrote:
On February 14 2013 20:53 sandroba wrote:
@syllo I don't see anything alignment indicative in matchew's post. If anything, it's slightly townie to say something like that, even though it's not a good way to go about things. I wonder why you singled out that post instead of zessionar who over explained his risk vote and when confronted about his explanation he backed off.


I singled it out because it was one of the few posts with somewhat controversial content and I wanted to see if you would reach reach the same conclusion as I did, which you did. Zessionar's explanation didn't jump out to me as over explaining. I looked at him again and while his explanation seems somewhat nonsensical, he has been fairly active and spammy so far, which is slightly towny. I also think that his question asking why someone else is smurfing is feels genuine, in particular because he himself appears to be smurfing and perhaps thought that WeWinMafia's reasons for smurfing differ from his, perhaps in a way that to him might be alignment indicative.


i am not sure if it's alignment indicative just yet. but yes, i never thought about pretending i am someone else, like he is... at least not as town, since smurfing in general is rather antitown - confusing everyone else with even more strange stuff seems to be too much.
but he just could have made that part up, to keep his identity covered. right now he looks like toadesstern to me... with all the smilies...

On February 14 2013 19:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Then I am voting you again for OMGUS after I already voted for you.


anyway... do you think syllos play is strange if he's town?
if not, do you think yamatos question implies that it's strange?
if yes, do think it's scummy to call syllos play strange, when it actually isnt strange at all?


You say here that smurfing is anti town, yet you decided to smurf yourself without giving away your identity immediately after getting your role. Yet later, you state
On February 15 2013 04:28 Zessionar wrote:
how is revealing me "protown"
especially after i revealed myself to toad...

So smurfing is antitown, yet YOU getting revealed is antitown. Care to explain?


I said ____IN GENERAL____ IF you FAIL to read, I cannot help you Idiot.
If you'd just read some of my former games, you'd see that i fucking die extremely early if i reveal myself.

Calling people idiots is generally not a good way to hold a discussion. I also see precious little reason to presume you'd get shot early given how you've been playing.

Last two games:

Dessert:
I got the Serialkiller day1 but couldnt get him lynched,
Scumteam AND Serialkiller shot me night1
we lost that game

Toads mafiagame:
I got shot n2 and I correctly named the last two remaining scumteammembers in my final list. We won that game

________________

if I smurf and make sure, that I survive to day3, we win this game. So the general rule doesnt apply for me.

Though I didn't know that, I'm not about to rely on you winning us the game by day 3. I haven't seen your previous game. I'm expecting you to prove to me THIS game that you're an 'exception', and so far you've been playing poorly (until these cases at least which I still need to read through more thoroughly)
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
February 15 2013 14:46 GMT
#447
On February 15 2013 23:45 Hopeless1der wrote:
Marv, are you still planning to lynch me/make a case?


possibly. i'm in the middle of it and havent' decided if it makes you mafia yet.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Zessionar
Profile Joined February 2013
Azerbaijan178 Posts
February 15 2013 14:48 GMT
#448
and i have not much time.
I got a lot of important stuff to do for university and my family.
You can be super happy if I come up with a speedanalysis and a plan for day1, when everyone else is doing
+ Show Spoiler +
NOTHING
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
February 15 2013 14:58 GMT
#449
On February 15 2013 08:29 Zessionar wrote:
and who is the scummiest player among these:

HiroPro
Hopeless1der
Artanis[Xp]
yamato77
grush57
layabout


On February 15 2013 08:40 Zessionar wrote:
i don't want to talk about that stuff right now :-/
i don't want to lynch anyone of them right now, but i have my preferences...


Now you tell others to look into a list of players when we still don't know who you want to lynch and when called out about your bs you make a collection of random posts from the first 4 players in that list (although they have some merit, but you never seemed to have the intention of going after them, you preferred talking about burgers).

If you're too busy in rl to play properly then look for a replacement, until then it's just an excuse for not doing anything while trying to look like you are.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
February 15 2013 15:00 GMT
#450
@marv I really don't buy that you are satisfied with coag's answer and think he is town based on that little. I don't care if you played 50 games with him, are you really that sure his posting so far could only be done if he was town, so far as to endorse him not posting anymore? It smells very fishy to me.

@syllo dude, I'm starting to think you are scum. It would be a shame to be wrong, but I really can't help it. I'm not doing shit so far and neither is marv, or anybody really. I would have expected you to start pressuring people and start posting a lot more way before this thread reached this point of inactivity. I'd like to know which players right now you think have a good chance of being town.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
February 15 2013 15:01 GMT
#451
@zessionar out of this list I would lynch laya, but I think that's not the list we should be looking at.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
February 15 2013 15:01 GMT
#452
On February 16 2013 00:00 sandroba wrote:
@marv I really don't buy that you are satisfied with coag's answer and think he is town based on that little. I don't care if you played 50 games with him, are you really that sure his posting so far could only be done if he was town, so far as to endorse him not posting anymore? It smells very fishy to me.

@syllo dude, I'm starting to think you are scum. It would be a shame to be wrong, but I really can't help it. I'm not doing shit so far and neither is marv, or anybody really. I would have expected you to start pressuring people and start posting a lot more way before this thread reached this point of inactivity. I'd like to know which players right now you think have a good chance of being town.


I'm not "sure" he's town. I endorsed him not posting to see if he would post anyway despite having my permission not to, which he did.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Zessionar
Profile Joined February 2013
Azerbaijan178 Posts
February 15 2013 15:06 GMT
#453
On February 16 2013 00:01 sandroba wrote:
@zessionar out of this list I would lynch laya, but I think that's not the list we should be looking at.


so you want to lynch one of the other 8 players? I do not disagree that some of the other 8 look terrible, too.
Especially syllo and to some extend marv...
Marv start producing something... I appreciate that you defend me against artanis and vivax, but I think everyone with a brain obviously sees how useless these guys are...
I'd prefer your contribution on the general plan of mine and if you agree with that list and the plan, i'd love to read what you think about these guys.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
February 15 2013 15:07 GMT
#454
On February 15 2013 23:34 Zessionar wrote:
2. ObviousOne Filter: 1 page

this game
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397206&user=263107

old VT day1 game
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=359836&user=263107

he's really only trolling this game. He was playing much more serious in his last game.
either blue or scum. makes no sense as VT -
trolling newbie players that are VT are definetely playing against their wincondition.
He stays in the lynchlist.

His activity was certainly a lot greater in that game. I agree that he's a decent candidate for now. Going through his filter for another game confirms he's usually more active on D1. It's a good indication, and the best thing there is to go off now.

4. Mattchew Filter: 1 page

Vivax I think I underestimated your actual abilities and underestimated your confidence... These lead to a misguided read on you... I don't necessarily agree with how you've started this game but I'm leaning a little more null on you... Revealing supersoft is pretty towny IMO too.
"is pretty townie"
i'd like to hear why this is pretty townie tbh.
I don't know why he's buddying up with vivax.

Mattchews playstyle makes no sense to me so far. He has no goal... But well could be game specific...
He should stay in the lynchlist for now

Matt's activity on Acme was considerably higher. However, in Liquid City Mafia his activity was pretty low as well, where he was town. I wouldn't consider the filter length to be indicative of Matt scum, and Marvellosity's reputation as being unreadable day 1 I consider a valid excuse. I don't see buddying as a tell one way or the other, so he's null to me.

7. HiroPro Filter: 1 page

"Also I demand that marvellosity share who this person he wanted to lynch in the beginning was."
This is kind of townish. As scum i don't really want to remind marv of his secret target...

I'd let him off the hook for today :-/
I mean his mostcount surely looks terrible but everyones post count looks terrible...

For some reason you left out that he claimed to have a great case on Yamato which was basically based on him asking two questions that he considered strange. That said, I don't think it's scummy as much as Hiro just being dumb. I see no scum motivation for it. I agree that the demand on marv is sort of townish as it's a gamble as scum.

10. Hopeless1der Filter

Show nested quote +
On February 14 2013 22:21 Hopeless1der wrote:
On February 14 2013 08:41 Zessionar wrote:
i picked risk.nuke, because he's decent as scum and useless and paranoid as town...
if he's town, i hope he'll prove me wrong this game...

Zess, how exagerated was this statement? You immediately backed off, but I'd like to hear about where you drew the conclusions that risk was
A) decent as scum
B) Useless and paranoid as town

Either of the two would be acceptable, as I think you're scum for pulling reasons out of thin air with no justification.


the whole discussion about my game-starter-vote on risk seems to be so exagerated from my point of view...
I think it was obvious, that this vote had almost no deeper meaning... Maybe it's my fault that people put too much thinking into this... I think accusing me for that randomvote was the perfect situation for scum to look like contributing.
don't know if hopeless is just bad and didnt see how unimportant that whole thing was, or i am bad that i put too much effort into explaining something, that had no explanation in the first place or he's scum...

"I voted for you because I find YOU suspicious, and I felt Vivax was going to jump all over me for not voting because he's pigheaded that way."
hmmm i don't like that very much... it's so weak. These votes on me are just terrible.
I if you're town and you want to win, you don't want to lynch me. That's just dumb.

To be fair, you weren't very clear about joking that risk was decent as scum and paranoid as town. Seemed like a serious and terrible post to me, and I can understand Hopeless' reasoning. He didn't accuse you for the vote, but rather for your statement.

Anyway, this is decent enough for me to back off on you for now. ObviousOne looks pretty bad.
##Unvote
##Vote: ObviousOne
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
February 15 2013 15:07 GMT
#455
On February 16 2013 00:00 sandroba wrote:
@marv I really don't buy that you are satisfied with coag's answer and think he is town based on that little. I don't care if you played 50 games with him, are you really that sure his posting so far could only be done if he was town, so far as to endorse him not posting anymore? It smells very fishy to me.

@syllo dude, I'm starting to think you are scum. It would be a shame to be wrong, but I really can't help it. I'm not doing shit so far and neither is marv, or anybody really. I would have expected you to start pressuring people and start posting a lot more way before this thread reached this point of inactivity. I'd like to know which players right now you think have a good chance of being town.

You are right, I should be doing more, but I'm not. Fortunately it has nothing to do with alignment and everything to do with my uncertainty and the fact I don't think there is much if any useful (in the sense I can do something with it) content so far. How about you stick around and we do something because as it is I'm not motivated enough to push this town alone towards something useful. It's in particular difficult with a lot of players just being non-entities and making it less appealing to go after people who are actually here.

I agree with you on marv, I'm not happy with how he is playing so far. For instance the post where he was "hoping to god" that we aren't both mafia looked suspicious to me, because I think he is fairly confident in his capacity to read us and neither of us is known for strong mafia play.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
February 15 2013 15:08 GMT
#456
i've never seen you play mafia, syllo.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
February 15 2013 15:08 GMT
#457
Meh. You all seem very useless to me this game. WeWinMafia if he is really toad is probably scum too. I'm town and I wasn't doing shit. Dudes are running around pointing fingers at each other. What would be expected of marv/toad/syllo in this situation is that they started trying to be useful and produce a lynch. Supersoft is kinda weird this game cuz he is way less agressive, but at least it seems like he is trying to acomplish something, which in this situation is a very townie trait, since if town doesnt give a fuck about who to lynch, why would a mafia care? I think there is a very high chance that at least 2 of those 3 are scum.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
February 15 2013 15:09 GMT
#458
On February 16 2013 00:06 Zessionar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2013 00:01 sandroba wrote:
@zessionar out of this list I would lynch laya, but I think that's not the list we should be looking at.

Marv start producing something... I appreciate that you defend me against artanis and vivax, but I think everyone with a brain obviously sees how useless these guys are...

Quit the trashtalk, seriously. If you're actually town you don't want to antagonize other people for no reason.
sandroba
Profile Joined April 2006
Canada4998 Posts
February 15 2013 15:10 GMT
#459
Alright I'll settle on lynching toad then. Does anyone have any compeling reason to believe the dude is town?
Zessionar
Profile Joined February 2013
Azerbaijan178 Posts
February 15 2013 15:11 GMT
#460
I am glad you decided to play with the big boys.
What do you think of syllo and do you think we really should lynch obviousone today?
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