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WeWinMafia
Profile Joined February 2013
Bahamas102 Posts
February 14 2013 21:16 GMT
#330
do you have anything to say marv? I'm here to talk for a while. I've still got some reading to do (not talking about the game) tonight and I'd like to know wether I should do that right now or later on.

If you're willing to get serious and post some I'm willing to postpone said reading and talk some about whatever you want to talk about.
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WeWinMafia
Profile Joined February 2013
Bahamas102 Posts
February 14 2013 21:18 GMT
#332
I mean, again I just don't see you do anything Marv and while I get that some people are pissed about Zess and me talking about burgers it's really hard to talk about anything if it's just the two of us. So I guess he's doing that on purpose right now to force people in here to talk while other people like you are completly ignoring the thread.
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WeWinMafia
Profile Joined February 2013
Bahamas102 Posts
February 14 2013 21:21 GMT
#334
On February 15 2013 06:18 marvellosity wrote:
is there anyone or anything in particular you wanted to talk about, toad?

nope. I'd like you to pick someone or something.
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WeWinMafia
Profile Joined February 2013
Bahamas102 Posts
February 14 2013 21:23 GMT
#337
On February 15 2013 06:22 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2013 06:21 WeWinMafia wrote:
On February 15 2013 06:18 marvellosity wrote:
is there anyone or anything in particular you wanted to talk about, toad?

nope. I'd like you to pick someone or something.


oh. No, i'm ok thanks.

come on. you keep on doing these oneliner questions and only comment about stuff innitiated by other people.
I've yet to see you do something on your own.
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WeWinMafia
Profile Joined February 2013
Bahamas102 Posts
February 14 2013 21:48 GMT
#341
On February 15 2013 06:34 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2013 06:26 grush57 wrote:
On February 15 2013 06:23 WeWinMafia wrote:
On February 15 2013 06:22 marvellosity wrote:
On February 15 2013 06:21 WeWinMafia wrote:
On February 15 2013 06:18 marvellosity wrote:
is there anyone or anything in particular you wanted to talk about, toad?

nope. I'd like you to pick someone or something.


oh. No, i'm ok thanks.

come on. you keep on doing these oneliner questions and only comment about stuff innitiated by other people.
I've yet to see you do something on your own.

but he is marv on d1


funny how grush understands yet toad doesn't. strange world.

funny how we have Coag, marv, Syllo, Sandro and layabout pretty much ignoring the thread right now and grush is totally fine with it.
I get that a lot of those people are usually quiet early on but the thread is dead as already pointed out...

But whatever, yes I'm talking out of my ass and Zess is apparently doing the same hoping we get some activity here somehow. Won't keep on pretending like anyone is interested in talking if noone is...
So see you around midnight, probably will be done around that time.
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WeWinMafia
Profile Joined February 2013
Bahamas102 Posts
February 14 2013 21:53 GMT
#344
On February 15 2013 06:49 marvellosity wrote:
i'm clearly here and posting and willing to respond to conversation. how is this 'ignoring' the thread?

stop saying nonsense.

as I already said, I want people like you to say something themselves and not just have people respond to whatever all day long.
Talk about little things you consider weird, that get's people talking.
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WeWinMafia
Profile Joined February 2013
Bahamas102 Posts
February 14 2013 22:01 GMT
#349
On February 15 2013 06:54 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2013 06:53 WeWinMafia wrote:
On February 15 2013 06:49 marvellosity wrote:
i'm clearly here and posting and willing to respond to conversation. how is this 'ignoring' the thread?

stop saying nonsense.

as I already said, I want people like you to say something themselves and not just have people respond to whatever all day long.
Talk about little things you consider weird, that get's people talking.


why don't you do that instead?

I'm doing that / tried doing that. Read what I posted about risk earlier? Asking grush about why he considers laya a decent lynch was for the same reason until I realized I just asked grush that question. Other people did it somewhat as well, which is the reason I picked you unlike people like Syllo and Sandro who post little but give us something decent to go with every now and then.

On February 15 2013 06:55 layabout wrote:
WeWinMafia(Toad) why did you miss out ObviuosOne, HiroPro and Mattchew?

The people I mentioned should have no problem sharing some of their thoughts. I don't know if that's true for the 3 you just mentioned.
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WeWinMafia
Profile Joined February 2013
Bahamas102 Posts
February 14 2013 22:48 GMT
#370
So just to get this straight:

I ask you to do something Marv, you basicly tell me to shut the fuck up in an agressive manner because it's how you usually play d1 (agree) and proceed to tackle coag nontheless after people just delurked?
I'm totally fine with what you just said but that in combination with the timing makes your "shut up I do what I want"-post really overagressive. Odd to say the least.

Just a funny coincidence you only now realized Coag looks bad or did that have something to do with my plea to come up with something yourself? It makes no sense unless you felt like you should do something imo. Emphasize on "should".
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WeWinMafia
Profile Joined February 2013
Bahamas102 Posts
February 14 2013 23:00 GMT
#375
On February 15 2013 07:53 Coagulation wrote:
I think the only reason marv mentioned me was so he could make a sick brag post about catching my scum team day 1 last mafia game we played. just sayin.

It still does raise the question why he did it about that time when I asked him to come up with something himself, when people like Sandro and laya delurked and you got in the thread telling people you're reading about burgers ( :3 ).

He could have done that anytime he wanted to if that was the reasoning for posting it and he never actually considered you "weird" to begin with. Looks an awful lot like he's trying to look like he doesn't care with his agressive post towards me telling me to shut up while actually caring a lot about it. There's just no reason for marv to make that kind of post if he gives in nonetheless just a couple minutes later.
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WeWinMafia
Profile Joined February 2013
Bahamas102 Posts
February 14 2013 23:13 GMT
#380
On February 15 2013 08:08 Coagulation wrote:
you bitched about him not contributing. He told you to fuck off. then contributed.

I dont see the problem.

If anything is off about what just happened it would be grush trying to push marv to keep lynching me out of nowhere. Scum fucking love to ride other peoples cases.

the problem is him telling me to fuck off inbetween for no reason when he apparently agreed with it.
That's an odd shift of "what is marv going to do in the near future".
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WeWinMafia
Profile Joined February 2013
Bahamas102 Posts
February 14 2013 23:34 GMT
#385
hey zess while you're still here and waiting for marvs answer. What's your take about the actual likelyhood of wbg giving us all of Marv+Sandro+Syllo?
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WeWinMafia
Profile Joined February 2013
Bahamas102 Posts
February 14 2013 23:59 GMT
#391
On February 15 2013 08:45 Coagulation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2013 08:34 WeWinMafia wrote:
hey zess while you're still here and waiting for marvs answer. What's your take about the actual likelyhood of wbg giving us all of Marv+Sandro+Syllo?


umm ... Isnt it RNG?

pretty sure it's not
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WeWinMafia
Profile Joined February 2013
Bahamas102 Posts
February 15 2013 00:09 GMT
#394
On February 15 2013 09:04 Coagulation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2013 08:59 WeWinMafia wrote:
On February 15 2013 08:45 Coagulation wrote:
On February 15 2013 08:34 WeWinMafia wrote:
hey zess while you're still here and waiting for marvs answer. What's your take about the actual likelyhood of wbg giving us all of Marv+Sandro+Syllo?


umm ... Isnt it RNG?

pretty sure it's not


do we have anything to base that on?

if its just speculation then we might as well just discuss hamburgers again.

you apprently don't, Just ignore it. I asked Supersoft about it because I know he thinks the same way I do about that kind of stuff.
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WeWinMafia
Profile Joined February 2013
Bahamas102 Posts
February 15 2013 16:11 GMT
#504
On February 15 2013 23:04 Zessionar wrote:
Okay, we have about 9 hours left if i am correct:

2. ObviousOne Filter
4. Mattchew Filter
7. HiroPro Filter
10. Hopeless1der Filter
11. Artanis[Xp] Filter
13. yamato77 Filter
14. grush57 Filter
15. layabout Filter

[...].


The four I bolded are the ones we should be looking into imo. Only got out of my bed just now (lol ) so haven't done a thing yet. Yamato definitly posts less and is less "in your face" than what he is when he rolled town the last 2 games. Marv mentioned he's playing in another game, so if that's true that might be it but I have to look into that one...that just strikes as odd after he failed so miserable as mafia because he had no time to time. I would have thought he learned his lesson to not play too many games at once no matter of alignment :p
He's also posting a bit more than he did in my game (when he rolled mafia) but in the end I'd say him trying to improve his mafiaplay is the more reasonable assumption than him playing worse than his usual town, even with what Marv said.

That being said I can understand how he got votes.
That being said it was weird when Marv announced that he thinks hopeless is the weirdest out of these people.
That being said reasoning given by people who don't know him is mostly not alignment indicative at all, like the 2nd part of what Laya posted when voted, so he got votes for all the wrong reasons imo.

Trying to figure this out. I'd say we focus on these 4 and I'm trying to re-read some.

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WeWinMafia
Profile Joined February 2013
Bahamas102 Posts
February 15 2013 16:28 GMT
#517
On February 16 2013 00:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Toad
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2013 09:42 WeWinMafia wrote:
I actually prepared a couple of trademark traits pregame to toss around d1 so that I can claim whoever I want to claim later on if I feel like it.

Claiming Sandro for example was the reason for picking this particular nick but as he joined the game there's no way I'll be using that one, so no problem telling you guys.

Have fun guessing.

1)
Seems like a weird claim since Syllo joined, but he could've meant that it was a possibility if both syllo and sandro weren't in the game. However, it clutters up the thread and provides no meaningful information yet it can derail the thread in a discussion about this topic.

Show nested quote +
On February 15 2013 01:18 WeWinMafia wrote:
On February 15 2013 00:25 sandroba wrote:
On February 14 2013 11:00 WeWinMafia wrote:
On February 14 2013 10:51 grush57 wrote:
On February 14 2013 10:50 WeWinMafia wrote:
On February 14 2013 10:47 grush57 wrote:
Anyone there who wants to join in?
Nobody has done something stupid yet to start a real discussion going. :'(


Care to explain?

Hello, nice to know your here.
Usually someone does something outrageous so people can actually put opinions out on it to create actual discussion and then by how people react can clue in on their roles, ya see?

funny. And here I thought we already had some of those guys.


Care to point out what posts you found outrageous? This string of questions do indeed seem pointless especially given the lack of follow up.

sure, here you go:

On February 14 2013 07:13 Coagulation wrote:
hey guys im town.
On February 14 2013 07:21 WeWinMafia wrote:
awesome Coag is town. Only 14 more people to figure out.
On February 14 2013 07:33 Zessionar wrote:
13, since I am town, too

Not outrageous but people trolling each other. Usually that kind of stuff attracts new guys and they ask what's going on, just like Grush thought it would happen.
On February 14 2013 07:38 Zessionar wrote:
##vote: risk.nuke

he has a 26,66 % chance to flip scum.

a (supposedly?) random vote done by Zess 30 minutes into the game. Again, something people usually talk about early on if they don't know the guy who's proposing it.
On February 14 2013 07:41 Zessionar wrote:
On February 14 2013 07:37 WeWinMafia wrote:
anyone could say that now that we have established this method of figuring out people...


well, but since I think I know why you think he's town, I think both of you are town and you're even more townish to me.
Again Zess and me trolling each other when there's nothing in the thread yet. I replied with utter bullshit and he replied with utter bullshit to my bullshit. Got to admit I was laughing pretty good around that time especially when I saw Coags smurf comment.

So that's why I wanted him to explain. From my point of view we had a bunch of people trolling each other, not being serious, except for risk who got in the thread defending himself because of a random (?) vote on him by some nobody noone was taking serious anyways.
So if anything I would have expected grush to say something along the lines of "weird that noone's picking up on those things" rather than have him state that none of those things exist, which made me think he's either not reading or taking everything serious.

When he answered the laya/risk-question I realized that I asked grush that question and that I'm not going to get anything useful out of him anyways so I ignored him. I thought he might answer seriously because I considered risk's behavior early on to be overdefensive for no reason and grush had him down as one of the two guys to lynch as well so I assumed he in serious mode.

2)
Large ball of fluff giving very little information.
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2013 03:32 WeWinMafia wrote:
just because you don't know how to properly mason doesn't mean noone else does...
You're making it almost look like you want to treat claimed masons as confirmed town when there is no reason to do such a thing in a closed set-up.

ESPECIALLY with you telling people we want them claimed it's a good move for mafia and there's plenty other ways to deal with masons: Force them to do what I did last time I rolled mason.

Don't let people get away with masoning people like Grush or Vivax d1 and expect people to mason people like Sandro / Syllo / Marv if there are masons to begin with. Mafias usually are to afraid to mason people like that and if they do it nevertheless who cares, plently of time for strong people to figure them out in pm-land.

A planned mason claim just adds chaos for no gain at all...

3)
Correct, but again, more setup talk and nothing regarding alignments yet. Something he also did in the game I hosted where he hydra'd with I believe Marv. Kept talking about the setup with little scumhunting being done, but doing just enough so people presumed he was town.
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2013 03:50 WeWinMafia wrote:
It's really hard to play this game if it's just the two of us and Marv tossing in a useless oneliner inbetween every now and then...
Marvs filter looks pretty atrocious right now:

##vote marvellosity

I'm off getting myself something to eat because my Schnitzel just turned into a junk of black coal. So I've got to go to McD again.
I'm expecting something by the time I'm back

4)
Vote with no justification other than "filter looks atrocious", no case or anything. Wants other people to do his dirty work.
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2013 06:48 WeWinMafia wrote:
On February 15 2013 06:34 marvellosity wrote:
On February 15 2013 06:26 grush57 wrote:
On February 15 2013 06:23 WeWinMafia wrote:
On February 15 2013 06:22 marvellosity wrote:
On February 15 2013 06:21 WeWinMafia wrote:
On February 15 2013 06:18 marvellosity wrote:
is there anyone or anything in particular you wanted to talk about, toad?

nope. I'd like you to pick someone or something.


oh. No, i'm ok thanks.

come on. you keep on doing these oneliner questions and only comment about stuff innitiated by other people.
I've yet to see you do something on your own.

but he is marv on d1


funny how grush understands yet toad doesn't. strange world.

funny how we have Coag, marv, Syllo, Sandro and layabout pretty much ignoring the thread right now and grush is totally fine with it.
I get that a lot of those people are usually quiet early on but the thread is dead as already pointed out...

But whatever, yes I'm talking out of my ass and Zess is apparently doing the same hoping we get some activity here somehow. Won't keep on pretending like anyone is interested in talking if noone is...
So see you around midnight, probably will be done around that time.

5)
Claims to be active, but all his posts pretty much consist of fluff, including this one.
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2013 07:48 WeWinMafia wrote:
So just to get this straight:

I ask you to do something Marv, you basicly tell me to shut the fuck up in an agressive manner because it's how you usually play d1 (agree) and proceed to tackle coag nontheless after people just delurked?
I'm totally fine with what you just said but that in combination with the timing makes your "shut up I do what I want"-post really overagressive. Odd to say the least.

Just a funny coincidence you only now realized Coag looks bad or did that have something to do with my plea to come up with something yourself? It makes no sense unless you felt like you should do something imo. Emphasize on "should".

More interested in confrontation rather than helping town further.
Yeah, I don't like toad. His posts are full of fluff and wants other people to do his work. He talks more about setup then anything else, and claims to be active while not actually saying anything. That said, there is a careless aura about him that makes me wonder. Nevertheless..
##Unvote
##Vote: WeWinMafia

1) Sry as mentioned it's the first time I'm smurfing. I made something up to keep the show running instead of just giving in because again, I smurfed because I wanted to smurf once and that's all there is to it.
2) How is that fluff. Sandro asked me to be more specific about it and I got more specific about it. Yes it's nothing alignment indicating I'm mentioning because I pointed out things that could have been odd but didn't end up being odd. That's because I was asked to...
3) Zess was pushing for a mason claim. I thought it's a bad idea. You think I should have ignored it? Of course I'm going to tell him I don't claims if he wants something as drastical as claims on d1.
4) It's called a pressure vote because again, he did nothing but oneliners up to that point and I wanted him to start doing something. It worked out I might add.
5 Idk, not much to say here other than that I disagree. Yes I post some fluff, probably more than most people. No I don't consider everything in my filter fluff like you make it out to be. You'll find that to be true in every single game I play. I usually do bullshit on d1 on purpose to get some conversations going even if that means it's on the back of me and I did get some criticism for it postgame sometimes but I still think it's the best to do if town is sleeping. You can't get content out of thin air, you have to start somewhere and that's how I do it.
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WeWinMafia
Profile Joined February 2013
Bahamas102 Posts
February 15 2013 16:37 GMT
#524
On February 16 2013 01:30 Zessionar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2013 01:18 WeWinMafia wrote:
On February 14 2013 07:41 Zessionar wrote:
On February 14 2013 07:37 WeWinMafia wrote:
anyone could say that now that we have established this method of figuring out people...


well, but since I think I know why you think he's town, I think both of you are town and you're even more townish to me.
Again Zess and me trolling each other when there's nothing in the thread yet. I replied with utter bullshit and he replied with utter bullshit to my bullshit. Got to admit I was laughing pretty good around that time especially when I saw Coags smurf comment.


what if i told you that i wasn't joking back then and this statement confused me?
thoughts?
idk. I thought it was supposed to be a joke because of the phrasing. Perhaps you read to much into my initial post?

On February 16 2013 01:31 Vivax wrote:
Toad, did you read the filters of those people you are interested in?
I focused on Risk, Yamato and Marv so far if that's what you mean.
Yes I had a look at the other filters but not in detail and I'm doing it right now.
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WeWinMafia
Profile Joined February 2013
Bahamas102 Posts
February 15 2013 16:52 GMT
#530
On February 16 2013 01:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2013 01:28 WeWinMafia wrote:
2) How is that fluff. Sandro asked me to be more specific about it and I got more specific about it. Yes it's nothing alignment indicating I'm mentioning because I pointed out things that could have been odd but didn't end up being odd. That's because I was asked to...

Fair enough.
Show nested quote +
3) Zess was pushing for a mason claim. I thought it's a bad idea. You think I should have ignored it? Of course I'm going to tell him I don't claims if he wants something as drastical as claims on d1.

It's fluff because you said something in 6 lines that you could've said in one: It's a terrible idea because it can be abused by scum and they might try to use it as a ploy.
Show nested quote +
4) It's called a pressure vote because again, he did nothing but oneliners up to that point and I wanted him to start doing something. It worked out I might add.

Pressure votes tend to mean a lot more when you actually expand about them and give your opinion. You spend your time more on things that aren't alignment indicative rather than using the time to analyze players and find who's scum. It seems like you're more interested in keeping a status quo than doing research.
Show nested quote +
5 Idk, not much to say here other than that I disagree. Yes I post some fluff, probably more than most people. No I don't consider everything in my filter fluff like you make it out to be. You'll find that to be true in every single game I play. I usually do bullshit on d1 on purpose to get some conversations going even if that means it's on the back of me and I did get some criticism for it postgame sometimes but I still think it's the best to do if town is sleeping. You can't get content out of thin air, you have to start somewhere and that's how I do it.

Do you have links to some games where you were town in mini games? Preferably recent, and anyone may answer that.

go ahead and ask people like Marv and Supersoft what they think about my style of posting and you'll find out that if your criteria of fluff is "posted something he could have said in 5 lines in 10 or even 15 lines" and you'll find out that that'll be true for 99% of all my posts on TL... even outside mafia.
I'd usually call posts that don't have anything in them fluff whereas posts that have a lot of text in them and a rather small nuclear that is the gist of it useful because it shows your thoughtprocess way better and that's the thing we want to look into after all...

Basicly you're (or my, I numbered them after all) point 3 and 4 are completly opposed to each other imo. In 3 you tell me I'm posting fluff because I'm going on way to much when posting when I could be more frank about it and just bring it in a two-liner instead. In 4 you accuse me to not give enough reasoning and that I'm not expanding on my thoughtprocess (I think I did in the part you are quoting btw). I'm going on and posting so much to make sure my line of reasoning is understandable if you're willing to read it.

About other minis... idk I was town in Keirathi's C9++ other than that I haven't played a lot of minis recently. I only started playing again 1 month or maybe 2 months ago.
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WeWinMafia
Profile Joined February 2013
Bahamas102 Posts
February 15 2013 17:35 GMT
#538
Okay I checked filters on hiro / Oo / Matt and there's not much to say about them other than what was already said. They're all pretty much in the same boat being kind of plan-B lynches because there's so little to go on about. Matt and Oo looking worse than Hiro.
Yamato on the other hand looks bad because he's just not his usual self. He's in no way or form anywhere near as "in your face" as he usually is when rolling town. Doesn't look like he's his usual tunnelish-I'm-100%-certain-no-matter-what-self at all.

I'd say Yamato is the best course of action and lynching into any of the other three (Matt / Oo / Hiro) would only be a choice if we happen to not have a suitable lynchcandidate. But we have one.

##vote Yamato
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WeWinMafia
Profile Joined February 2013
Bahamas102 Posts
February 15 2013 17:35 GMT
#539
oh

##unvote Marv
##vote Yamato
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WeWinMafia
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Bahamas102 Posts
February 15 2013 18:33 GMT
#565
Zess remember what the name of the game was when we had our little talk in german during the WM?
I know we asked each other 3 questions in german, somehow encrypted with a question in german to decrypt it.

The first one was me saying something along the lines of "lol just want to screw with those silly americans because they don't have an Ä on their keyboard to type the answer in".
The second one was something about some guy being too serious.
The third one was about how the game ger vs netherlands would end.

were you mafia or town in that game?
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