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On February 17 2013 14:13 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 13:15 Sevryn wrote:On February 17 2013 10:11 cDgCorazon wrote:
Well I doubt Sevryn is going to come out of his hiding place unless we smoke him out:
##Vote: Sevryn
Tell us why we should lynch someone else and not you. I made a post about the other two lurkers my times I'm able to be on are a little different than most people but that doesnt mean I'm hardcore lurking mandalor is the lurkiest but syl is the scummiest IMO so if you want to smoke somebody out why woudlnt you go for the least active this seems to me almost like an OMGUS from the previous night and my posts about you. WB that is the deffinition of sheeping voting with someone without giving your own reasons I know you said you thought I was the scummiest but your whole case is cherry picking my filter I have made good constructive posts and you have just ignored them. you want me to go through your whole filter and post all the zero content posts? right now my current scum team read is 1.syl 2.Cora 3.wb in that order It's not hard to say that Mandalor and Sylencia are scum. We are all suspicious of them.We're not going for the least active person, as far as I'm concerned, you all have the same level of activity: inactivity. We are trying to lynch the scummiest person, and I think it's you. We have three different regions in this game: USA, Australia, and Europe (and Lesotho). There is always someone on, and you can always post when people are asleep. I'm saying you haven't scum hunted because all your ideas are not original. For example, your arguments about me are taken from a general consensus that was given N1 (that my vote for Glurio was suspicious), and from what TestSubject had tunneled me all of D2 about. You haven't brought anything to the table. Taking other people's ideas and rewriting them as your own is not original content. It's looking like you are scumhunting without doing actual scumhunting. I've challenged you to make a case on me. All you have done since is run away and hide from my challenge. Why is that so? Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 15:03 cDgCorazon wrote:
@Sevryn: Can you bring anything new to the table in the argument against me? If so, I'd love to hear it. @all: Do you agree with my point about Sevryn's cases being unoriginal, or would someone else disagree?
I was asked why I am less scummy than the "other" two lurkers/
how about your reads? who do you think the scum team is? you think its all lurkers?
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On February 17 2013 09:20 cDgCorazon wrote:
I'm going to make this simple because I know whatever I say will be scrutinized by TestSubject anyways.
Warbaby has not been helping town with this play, but his D2 was a lot better than his D1. He still had 1 or 2 emotional outbreaks, but it was better. However, it'll be interesting to see what happens once we all have to start scumhunting.
I'd rather lynch one of the three lurkers today, in this order:
Sevryn
Sylencia
Mandalor
Sevryn has been full of broken promises and weak-sauce arguments. Lurking hardcore, just looking scummy all over.
Sylencia has played a bit less scummy than Sevryn, but he's going to have to step up in order to not be in trouble (whether it be today or down the road).
I'm less inclined to make a Mandalor lynch today because his posts have been of decent quality. I think having an active Mandalor D3 would be a lot more helpful to the town, whether he's making good arguments or showing giant holes in his play.
This is my plan for D3. I'm only thinking about D3 right now.
But if you want an answer, I think a majority of the scumteam is in you three lurkers.
If you are wondering what my reads are, you're not paying attention to the game at all...
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On February 16 2013 15:03 cDgCorazon wrote:
@Sevryn: Can you bring anything new to the table in the argument against me? If so, I'd love to hear it.
If you think I'm scum, make the case. Find points that make me look scummy that haven't been talked about already. Contribute to the scum hunt.
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On February 17 2013 14:30 cDgCorazon wrote:Once again... Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 15:03 cDgCorazon wrote:
@Sevryn: Can you bring anything new to the table in the argument against me? If so, I'd love to hear it. If you think I'm scum, make the case. Find points that make me look scummy that haven't been talked about already. Contribute to the scum hunt.
I will throw that right back at you you never give examples you say that I am full of broken promises. like what?
show me why im scummy dont just say YOUR SO SCUMMY PROVE YOUR NOT.
im going to try to get who I think is most likely scum lynched today what you do is your own choice but I would try to find scum by making a really case.
but as to scum hunting let me ask you a question.
Why do you think im more scummy than scy have you looked at his filter?
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Alright, you want my logic as to why you are scum?
1. Your filter is 3 pages long. It's D3. You are lurking.
2. Your arguments are either unoriginal or not very well reasoned.
a. Your case on Glurio wasn't well thought out (it described the actions of other players)
b. Your case on me was a rehash of what TS and Geript said.
3. You've only made two arguments the whole game. You're not scumhunting.
4. I have to vote for you to come out and defend yourself. You've made about 30% of your posts in the past couple of hours only after I voted for you. Why does someone need to pressure you for you to come out and post?
All three of you guys are lurking. To figure out who is scum and who isn't, we need to delve into deeper reasoning such as this.
I've already pressured Sylencia to make another read besides Warbaby. There's still 43 hours left in this day, so there is plenty of time for me to change my vote if I see fit.
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On February 17 2013 15:00 cDgCorazon wrote:
Alright, you want my logic as to why you are scum?
1. Your filter is 3 pages long. It's D3. You are lurking.
LOL mandalor and syls filters are shorter than mine and yet im the one you vote on to get activity out of?
2. Your arguments are either unoriginal or not very well reasoned.
a. Your case on Glurio wasn't well thought out (it described the actions of other players)
and you still went a long with it this is just as much a point against you.
b. Your case on me was a rehash of what TS and Geript said.
hey if something is true its true
3. You've only made two arguments the whole game. You're not scumhunting.
right now im making an argument with you about why your focusing me when syl is a much scummier option
4. I have to vote for you to come out and defend yourself. You've made about 30% of your posts in the past couple of hours only after I voted for you. Why does someone need to pressure you for you to come out and post?
this is just downright false. its a lot closer too 9-10% why would you lie about this?
All three of you guys are lurking. To figure out who is scum and who isn't, we need to delve into deeper reasoning such as this.
I've already pressured Sylencia to make another read besides Warbaby. There's still 43 hours left in this day, so there is plenty of time for me to change my vote if I see fit.
aparently you have to vote to pressure people so why didnt you vote sylencia? this is the scummies reasons ive scene to think I'm the scummiest of the lurkers
if we lynch syl today(which I think we should) when they flip scum your going to be next for soft defending them like this when you have no reason too other than being scum buddies.
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On February 17 2013 15:08 Sevryn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 15:00 cDgCorazon wrote:
Alright, you want my logic as to why you are scum?
1. Your filter is 3 pages long. It's D3. You are lurking.
LOL mandalor and syls filters are shorter than mine and yet im the one you vote on to get activity out of?
2. Your arguments are either unoriginal or not very well reasoned.
a. Your case on Glurio wasn't well thought out (it described the actions of other players)
and you still went a long with it this is just as much a point against you.
b. Your case on me was a rehash of what TS and Geript said.
hey if something is true its true
3. You've only made two arguments the whole game. You're not scumhunting.
right now im making an argument with you about why your focusing me when syl is a much scummier option
4. I have to vote for you to come out and defend yourself. You've made about 30% of your posts in the past couple of hours only after I voted for you. Why does someone need to pressure you for you to come out and post?
this is just downright false. its a lot closer too 9-10% why would you lie about this?
All three of you guys are lurking. To figure out who is scum and who isn't, we need to delve into deeper reasoning such as this.
I've already pressured Sylencia to make another read besides Warbaby. There's still 43 hours left in this day, so there is plenty of time for me to change my vote if I see fit. aparently you have to vote to pressure people so why didnt you vote sylencia? this is the scummies reasons ive scene to think I'm the scummiest of the lurkers if we lynch syl today(which I think we should) when they flip scum your going to be next for soft defending them like this when you have no reason too other than being scum buddies.
I didn't need to vote Syl to get him to talk more. He's starting to talk more as well. As you (hopefully have read), my order of scummiest lurker is you, then syl, then Mandalor. It's up to you to change it. Threatening me with voting me off is not going to help you.
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And also, I just made a case on you. Why are you only answering the last point and ignoring the actual point of the post?
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On February 17 2013 15:14 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 15:08 Sevryn wrote:On February 17 2013 15:00 cDgCorazon wrote:
Alright, you want my logic as to why you are scum?
1. Your filter is 3 pages long. It's D3. You are lurking.
LOL mandalor and syls filters are shorter than mine and yet im the one you vote on to get activity out of?
2. Your arguments are either unoriginal or not very well reasoned.
a. Your case on Glurio wasn't well thought out (it described the actions of other players)
and you still went a long with it this is just as much a point against you.
b. Your case on me was a rehash of what TS and Geript said.
hey if something is true its true
3. You've only made two arguments the whole game. You're not scumhunting.
right now im making an argument with you about why your focusing me when syl is a much scummier option
4. I have to vote for you to come out and defend yourself. You've made about 30% of your posts in the past couple of hours only after I voted for you. Why does someone need to pressure you for you to come out and post?
this is just downright false. its a lot closer too 9-10% why would you lie about this?
All three of you guys are lurking. To figure out who is scum and who isn't, we need to delve into deeper reasoning such as this.
I've already pressured Sylencia to make another read besides Warbaby. There's still 43 hours left in this day, so there is plenty of time for me to change my vote if I see fit. aparently you have to vote to pressure people so why didnt you vote sylencia? this is the scummies reasons ive scene to think I'm the scummiest of the lurkers if we lynch syl today(which I think we should) when they flip scum your going to be next for soft defending them like this when you have no reason too other than being scum buddies. I didn't need to vote Syl to get him to talk more. He's starting to talk more as well. As you (hopefully have read), my order of scummiest lurker is you, then syl, then Mandalor. It's up to you to change it. Threatening me with voting me off is not going to help you.
where show me where syl is being productive and sharing their reads. obviously you havnt read my filter if you thought I had made one third of my posts today so why did you say that? just guessing it was a third?
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anyway im done talking to you about myself ill be making a case in a while although I'm at work so it might be a couple hours.
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On February 17 2013 15:17 Sevryn wrote:
where show me where syl is being productive and sharing their reads. obviously you havnt read my filter if you thought I had made one third of my posts today so why did you say that? just guessing it was a third?
On February 17 2013 15:18 Sevryn wrote:
anyway im done talking to you about myself ill be making a case in a while although I'm at work so it might be a couple hours.
"Please show me why Syl is scummier than me but I won't really answer your pressure but I'm going to do some scumhunting I promise"
Really?
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I've already gotten on Syl and asked him to make more reads. I never said that you were that far ahead of him on my preferences to lynch.
Once again, it's 43 hours to lynch. You should be showing me why I shouldn't lynch you and not complaining about it. My vote got you to talk, would you say it's not been effective?
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On February 17 2013 13:19 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 11:31 cDgCorazon wrote:
Because a set-up with 8 town and 5 non-town would be really imbalanced, and a set-up with 10 town and 3 non-town would also be ridiculously imbalanced. On phone: This is silly poo corazon. There have been several 13 player newbie games, each with 3 scum and never SK. You just said 10 town, 3 non-town is unbalanced... y?
Because 10 town, 2 mafia and 1 SK makes it a lot harder for the mafia to win since SK can randomly kill a mafia member and suddenly the number is cut in half, and the hope that mafia will win drops to a super low chance. The introduction of the SK in this game will be balanced by having either a higher number of blues and/or stronger mafia roles.
On February 17 2013 13:19 Mocsta wrote:
Why is this a contribution of merit compared to posts from Mandalor or Sevryn?
Because unlike Sevryn who firstly gets asked thoughts on specific players - in which he then responds, I don't piggyback on the opportunity to claim X lurker is scum. Does this mean Sevryn is scum? Possibly. Mandalor hasn't been around since the start of Day 2. Nothing is really known about him other than the fact he's pretty much full AFK at this point in time.
As for my case on Warbaby, if you think it's a weak case then so be it - I see there's enough for me to vote for him from what I've read.
Regarding my double roleblock - why would I double roleblock over roleblocking a person and then myself if I was scum? 1) It confirms there's actually a roleblocker in the game, 2) it 'confirms' me as town a hell of a lot more than double roleblock ever would. Given the fact you've all been suspicious of me for a while, would I really bring even more attention to myself as scum? No, but these points don't really have much weight behind them since you don't know my role.
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On February 17 2013 15:41 Sylencia wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 13:19 Mocsta wrote:On February 17 2013 11:31 cDgCorazon wrote:
Because a set-up with 8 town and 5 non-town would be really imbalanced, and a set-up with 10 town and 3 non-town would also be ridiculously imbalanced. On phone: This is silly poo corazon. There have been several 13 player newbie games, each with 3 scum and never SK. You just said 10 town, 3 non-town is unbalanced... y? Because 10 town, 2 mafia and 1 SK makes it a lot harder for the mafia to win since SK can randomly kill a mafia member and suddenly the number is cut in half, and the hope that mafia will win drops to a super low chance. The introduction of the SK in this game will be balanced by having either a higher number of blues and/or stronger mafia roles. Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 13:19 Mocsta wrote:
Why is this a contribution of merit compared to posts from Mandalor or Sevryn?
Because unlike Sevryn who firstly gets asked thoughts on specific players - in which he then responds, I don't piggyback on the opportunity to claim X lurker is scum. Does this mean Sevryn is scum? Possibly. Mandalor hasn't been around since the start of Day 2. Nothing is really known about him other than the fact he's pretty much full AFK at this point in time. As for my case on Warbaby, if you think it's a weak case then so be it - I see there's enough for me to vote for him from what I've read. Regarding my double roleblock - why would I double roleblock over roleblocking a person and then myself if I was scum? 1) It confirms there's actually a roleblocker in the game, 2) it 'confirms' me as town a hell of a lot more than double roleblock ever would. Given the fact you've all been suspicious of me for a while, would I really bring even more attention to myself as scum? No, but these points don't really have much weight behind them since you don't know my role.
I think you bring up some valid points here. I just have a couple of things to say:
The timing of your WB case was bad, and it was kind of making it look like an OMGUS case. At the point that you had voted for WB, you were on the chopping block. It really looked like you were voting for WB because it was a wagon that wasn't yours.
I would forgive you for voting for WB (you're not going to vote for yourself), but you haven't given us any other reads. Mocsta's already voted for you- WB and I are getting really impatient as well. A major reason you are under suspicion is because of this (along with your inactivity).
I'm asking you to give us another read besides WB. The points you have made so far against WB and Sevryn have been mostly copied off of me (a couple of aspects of your WB case were original, which is a lot more than Sevryn).
Just like I'm asking Sevryn, I'm asking you to bring a new point of view to the table. I await what you decide to offer.
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+ Show Spoiler +On February 15 2013 09:05 Sylencia wrote:Show nested quote +On February 15 2013 06:09 warbaby wrote:
Note that there is only a mafia roleblocker. If sylencia is not lying, there will still be a mafia roleblocker on N2 (unless we lynch the mafia roleblocker today).
Scum slip ? ? On February 15 2013 09:16 Sylencia wrote:
How is it possible to say for certain that there's only a mafia roleblocker, when we don't know if it was a JK or a RB? On February 16 2013 15:03 Sylencia wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 13:59 Sevryn wrote:On February 16 2013 13:54 Sylencia wrote:
Sorry guys, wasn't around last night.
Corazon: I'm still sure that Warbaby is scum, potential slip during day 2, one of the weirdest statements I've read during day 1, and he's now also claimed I've fake roleblock claimed. Remember when you were scum and you managed to slip under the radar for another 3 days while we flailed around until the other scum kind of screwed up your plans? This is something I don't want to let happen again.
Sevryn: It's not like I'm even talking about my level of scumhunting wihtout backup - you can check my filters for the other 3 games I've been in. How many cases have I truly brought up? Not too many. You guys all mention how I talk about the potential blue claim for quite a while on Day 1 - I didn't even say it's likely he's blue unless it's a Vig.
talking about it at all isnt really something thats good for down it can only help scum on Day 1 How is reasoning someone is potentially scum good for scum? Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 14:16 Sevryn wrote:On February 16 2013 14:11 cDgCorazon wrote:On February 16 2013 14:10 Sevryn wrote:On February 16 2013 14:00 warbaby wrote:
Sevryn, I've been working on the assumption that there are 3 scum. Let's assume you're right that sylencia and Mandalor are scum. Who do you think the 3rd scum could be?
Do you think any of the active players have been attacking you harder than sylencia and Mandlor, because they know you're the one remaining town lurker?
Does anyone think we can extend this hypothetical to scenarios where sevryn and sylencia are scum? Or sevryn and mandalor?
My point is that if two lurkers are scum, then one active player is scum, and perhaps we can spot a difference between the way active players have been treating the different lurkers. Nobody thats still alive. So there's 2 scum? ahh no that was too the second question. if we assume that there are three scum I would probably say you cora are at the top of my list which would go 1. cora 2. warbaby 3.mocsta/sno 4.zera 5.TS who is confirmed town? that actually makes me wonder is there a scenario where TS isnt confirmed townie? If OO was scum, possibly could make a case where TS isn't confirmed, but it'd be the greatest shot in the dark if TS guessed OO did something, seeing as how he was SK and so scum have no info as to who that is. On February 17 2013 10:38 Sylencia wrote:
Right now, I don't even think they're roleblocking to block a blue - they're roleblocking me to make it seem like I'm fake claiming. Pretty sure I haven't left any unintentional breadcrumbs, the only time I've mentioned anything about my role is back at the end of Night 1, where I said "I'm not blue". On February 17 2013 10:56 Sylencia wrote:DIdn't I already answer the question? Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 13:54 Sylencia wrote:
Corazon: I'm still sure that Warbaby is scum, potential slip during day 2, one of the weirdest statements I've read during day 1, and he's now also claimed I've fake roleblock claimed. Remember when you were scum and you managed to slip under the radar for another 3 days while we flailed around until the other scum kind of screwed up your plans? This is something I don't want to let happen again.
On February 17 2013 10:59 Sylencia wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 10:47 Mocsta wrote:
In the scum game I played; we got the RB to block me.. to get town cred... i can see this happening here. Yeah, I can understand it happening once - I was considering it myself when I was scum. But why twice? And as I just said, this is the exact reaction that the scum want from me having to claim RB twice. On February 17 2013 10:26 Sylencia wrote:
Who was roleblocked - seeing as it's confirmed that it's scum RB now since they didn't protect TU (unless they're playing to try make me a liar) On February 17 2013 10:27 Sylencia wrote:
Never mind - I was roleblocked again. On February 17 2013 10:31 Sylencia wrote:
I checked the forums on my phone, which doesn't have me logged in - I hopped on the computer and typed it out before even noticing the new PM.
these are syls 11 posts since thursday
syls being roleblocked claims: why would scum roleblock two days in a row? pretty much all WIFOM about what would look the least suspisious. sly then says that the scum are roleblocking him to make it seem suspisious which looks to me like "look how town I am im pointing out why my claim is odd" but is pretty much all WIFOM and and a pretty empty post(as are most of slys posts).
this whole game slys has been pointing out even pointing at thier meta how unhelpful a townie they are and that they are not good at making cases or figuring out anything on their own.
his last post is just talking about lurkers honestly as I have said before syl plays like one giant excuse and the only reason I can see for pointing out how weak any case you would make would be is to set it up if you do make a case and the lynchie gets flipped townie that you obviously didnt know what you were doing and you shouldnt have been taken seriously which is a really scummy attitude.
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On February 17 2013 14:25 cDgCorazon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 14:23 Mocsta wrote:
Cora u were the one raising setup talk. I called u out for being misleading. Now u want to cease discourse?
As for. Sevryn I do not care for his last post.
But the point u raise can be applied to many. And By itself is not scummy. Need to tie to other behaviour Would you like to discuss the set-up more then?
Not particularly, I don't think it is of value for todays scum hunt.
I just think you're making conclusions on setup that is both misleading; and on par with association flips.
Sylencia produced some discussion, but it was all WIFOM - and thus pointless. Is there actually a conclusion?
On February 17 2013 15:41 Sylencia wrote:
The introduction of the SK in this game will be balanced by having either a higher number of blues and/or stronger mafia roles.
(Rhetorical) How is what you(Corazon) produced about setup; helping the scum hunt?
(Question to all) Is Sylencia making comments like above aiding the scum hunt?
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On February 17 2013 14:27 Sevryn wrote:
how about your reads? who do you think the scum team is? you think its all lurkers?
Whoah whoah, take a step back sunshine.
You're not in a position to be questioning others.
It works like this Mr.Lurker.
We question you and your motives.
OR
You build a case on someone, that we pick to shreds to find out if you are bullshitting.
The "case" you wrote on Sylencia is pretty hard to read; and reads as a summary post to me.
I want to see some analysis on why the things you are raising have to be from scum; and not from town.
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On February 17 2013 14:29 cDgCorazon wrote:
If you are wondering what my reads are, you're not paying attention to the game at all...
You bringing out that case today; or focusing on the lurkers?
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On February 17 2013 15:48 cDgCorazon wrote:
WB and I are getting really impatient as well.
Is this a blatant scum slip or something?
You accuse me all game of associating with you (when its clear I haven't been).. and now.. you're suddenly chummy with a guy you have been 'chasing' all game?
WTF...
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On February 17 2013 15:41 Sylencia wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2013 13:19 Mocsta wrote:
Why is this a contribution of merit compared to posts from Mandalor or Sevryn?
Because unlike Sevryn who firstly gets asked thoughts on specific players - in which he then responds, I don't piggyback on the opportunity to claim X lurker is scum. Does this mean Sevryn is scum? Possibly. Mandalor hasn't been around since the start of Day 2. Nothing is really known about him other than the fact he's pretty much full AFK at this point in time. As for my case on Warbaby, if you think it's a weak case then so be it - I see there's enough for me to vote for him from what I've read. Regarding my double roleblock - why would I double roleblock over roleblocking a person and then myself if I was scum? 1) It confirms there's actually a roleblocker in the game, 2) it 'confirms' me as town a hell of a lot more than double roleblock ever would. Given the fact you've all been suspicious of me for a while, would I really bring even more attention to myself as scum? No, but these points don't really have much weight behind them since you don't know my role.
#1 - I find it ironic you state Sevyrn does not speak till spoken to... because.. I thought many of your posts were originating from others ideas/statements.
i.e. I cant recall you introducing something unique into the fray; other than the RB claims....
#2 - I have seen you make WAY better cases than what did for warbaby. To me, the only point you raised was that warbaby scum slipped. Sorry, I am not going to vote someone for a fuckn scum slip.. it has to be backed up with analysis of motives.
Where is this?
You have provided a bunch of analysis when it comes to setup speculation... all of which amount to NO CONCLUSION.
What I see is a bunch of posts taking no firm stance; and in the rare situation you do take a stance, its with no detailed explanation of thought process.
#3 - I dont know what to make of the RB. And mulling over it is WIFOM... if you are town it *MUST* be proven by how you scum hunt; not by a RB claim that may or may not have occurred.
Stop suggesting you are town because of the RB claim(s); and then continue to not produce the goods when it comes to scum hunting.
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