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I'm going to make this simple because I know whatever I say will be scrutinized by TestSubject anyways.
Warbaby has not been helping town with this play, but his D2 was a lot better than his D1. He still had 1 or 2 emotional outbreaks, but it was better. However, it'll be interesting to see what happens once we all have to start scumhunting.
I'd rather lynch one of the three lurkers today, in this order:
Sevryn
Sylencia
Mandalor
Sevryn has been full of broken promises and weak-sauce arguments. Lurking hardcore, just looking scummy all over.
Sylencia has played a bit less scummy than Sevryn, but he's going to have to step up in order to not be in trouble (whether it be today or down the road).
I'm less inclined to make a Mandalor lynch today because his posts have been of decent quality. I think having an active Mandalor D3 would be a lot more helpful to the town, whether he's making good arguments or showing giant holes in his play.
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Busier than i thought tonight, posting from phone.
Since i'm most likely to die tonight wanted to post some thoughts.
Cora, mocsta and wb are all scum reads for me. (Don't give wb extra credit juat cause i didn't badger him as much as others.)
Sn0 and zare seem to be acting pro town to me. The rest are lurking too much and deserve to be pressured for it.
If n1's rb claim get's more attention don't forget those can be manipulated my scum and should be seen as null.
There's probably lots i'm forgetting, but i'm busy and need to go. Hopefully i'll see you all on the other side of the day post.
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I didn't have any time today, as I thought I would.
I think we need to find our first scum within Syl, Mandalor, and Sevryn. Earlier in the game I found Sevryn more pro-town than the other two, but I haven't consciously re-checked that. All three filters need rigorous analysis, and luckily it looks like that seems to be the town consensus right now.
I think we may need a full blue claim tomorrow.
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On February 17 2013 09:28 TestSubject893 wrote:
Cora, mocsta and wb are all scum reads for me. (Don't give wb extra credit juat cause i didn't badger him as much as others.)
"Yeah yeah I think Cora and WB are scum so I'm just gonna assume they've been bussing each other since midway into D1"
God I'm really sad you are confirmed town.
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Mocsta N2: Last Will
TestSubject893... sorry for misspelling your name. The OP filter lists "TestUser893" 
Little Things I did not like during Day2/Night2
Day2
- Lack of contribution from (Mandalor/Sylencia/Sevryn)
- Lack of pro-active scum hunting from Sn0_Man/zarepath
- & warbaby is still just copying others ideas - never applying original thought.
Night 2
- cDgCorazon instantly tries to divert attention away from the Geript NK
- warbaby continuing to "contribute"
Musings on above
Lack of contribution from Mandalor/Sylencia/Sevryn
+ Show Spoiler +Many have called out all three of these multiple times to no avail.
Sevryn, yes the contributions are pretty weak when I read through the filter; but, in my opinion is more to go with than Mandalor/Sylencia. I read him as a small voice that is trying to be heard and being ignored. Now is the chance, ask direct questions and re-assess that little voice.
Mandalor I just don't like, and haven't liked any of his contributions all game. I can support a policy lynch on him; as it is now clear he is not going to reciprocate to our questions. I mean, fuck, he's can't be that busy.
Sylencia - Has more contributions than Mandalor by far; yet are they actually scum hunting? Day1 I found the logic posts useful. But since then, nothing has changed; and this just REEKS of trying to contribute without contributing. Like Mandalor is ignoring the pressure. I can also support a policy lynch here.
If Mandalor/Sylencia are town; surely they would realise we are close to MYLO and would realise they have to contribute more. BUT THEY HAVEN'T. Very suspicious. As such, if they continue to not reciprocate by 24-36hrs; I would suggest a policy lynch.
Lack of pro-active scum hunting from Sn0_Man/zarepath
+ Show Spoiler +I feel good enough about your play so play to think you guys are my best town reads (aside from TestSubject). With that status; I was expecting you guys to lead more discussion during Day2. (Sn0_Man Night2 suggestion to hold off and re-read was very reasonable).
You two really need to promote more discussion this coming cycle; share your scum reads, create pressure and judge without fallacy. (i.e. go back to Day1 play)
warbaby is still just copying others ideas - never applying original thought
+ Show Spoiler +This guy is still just rubbing me the wrong way. I have been told in the past; when two people butt heads majorly they typically both town and just being stubborn. I want to believe this, BUT...
My problem is; every time he walks away, he just grabs ideas others have come up (e.g. myself/TestSubject/Sn0_Man etc) and makes all these posts as if he is super pro-town or something.
Look at his recent "summary" posts on lurkers.. they have ZERO analysis.
I can go into Sylencia and Sevryn filter and do the same thing.. its classic contributing WITHOUT contributing.
We are one step away from MYLO, so I am willing to give warbaby a fair (unbiased) chance based on his scum hunt pressure play.
cDgCorazon instantly tries to divert attention away from Geript NK
+ Show Spoiler +This is a little thing. I just didn't like the way he instantly tried to separate himself from the NK by saying the emotional appeal: "I am town it cant be me". This is a slight scum tell to me.
Why?
Because if TestSubject893 was not pushing him so hard; I don't think cDgCorazon would have chosen to react that way when he made the post. I think he would have held more self-confidence and applied a more logical mindset by providing fact.
I did not like the way cDgCorazon handled himself when discussing the Geript NK. It is not a strong scum indicator though; so am going to re-read through the TestSubject893 pressure and see whether I like corazon defense anymore.
warbaby continuing to "contribute"
+ Show Spoiler +WTF are those posts he made before the 1hr deadline.
"I am so pro-town - I make summary posts on lurkers"
Where is the analysis of actoins?
All I read is "RB claim is fake" where is the justification
"Puts a little effort into this post" .. I can say the same for many of his and others.. why is that scummy?
These summary posts are clear attempts to contribute WITHOUT contributing. Granted town and scum can do this.. but tackle it on with having the confidence to post before the 1hr deadline; and it doesnt look good for warbaby.
warbaby, I repeat.. I recognise we are close to MYLO; and if alive, I am not going to tunnel you Day3. I will be paying very close attention to your scum hunting techniques however, and expect to see more detailed *and accurate* analysis from you.
TL;DR
I will be focusing pressure on the three lurkers; and actively paying attention to warbaby
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Mandalor. I'm still tired, and his filter is short, so this will be short. Note that with all 3 of these lurker analysis posts, I'm trying to highlight posts that actually show effort (or a notable lack thereof).
Shows that he's put some effort into reading my filter from another game
[url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17769301Puts a little effort into identify his possible lurker candidates[/url], and then makes what seems like an informed, reasonable pressure vote.
[url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17772108]Puts some effort[/url] into explaining his vote. Explains that he'll be away from the thread.
[url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17776100]Comments on interactions between players[/url]. I think this shows a bit of effort.
[url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17776186]Shows that he's read the thread some, makes a post with content[/url]
[url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17779732]Makes another vote with a decent explanation why[/url]. Comments on several players at once in a rational way (which shows some effort?)
[url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17794913]2 Low effort posts[/url] [url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17794931]in a row[/url].
[url=http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17797121]But then he invites people to ask him questions[/url], i see this as sticking his neck out some, it shows a willingness to put in effort in the future.
I think mandalor is the least scummy of the lurkers. I feel many of his posts fall into that middle ground between putting in no effort (and not admitting or explaining why he's not putting in effort) vs actually making a real effort. Getting into WIFOM area, but could this be indicative of a scum trying to blend in?
I agree with corazon, right now I have little interest in lynching one of the active players on d3, unless I can find something in the thread that's way more compelling than I have so far.
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EBWOP: jesus christ sorry for that. If anyone wants me to repost a fixed version just let me know x.x
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Mocsta, I'm putting my best effort into analyzing the lurkers in a way that identifies contributions or lack of contributions. I think this is helpful to anyone that is also interested in lynching a lurker. It's hard to analyze the tiny contributions of these players =/
Here's a fixed version of that post I fucked up above:
+ Show Spoiler +On February 17 2013 09:36 warbaby wrote:Mandalor. I'm still tired, and his filter is short, so this will be short. Note that with all 3 of these lurker analysis posts, I'm trying to highlight posts that actually show effort (or a notable lack thereof). Shows that he's put some effort into reading my filter from another gamePuts a little effort into identify his possible lurker candidates, and then makes what seems like an informed, reasonable pressure vote. Puts some effort into explaining his vote. Explains that he'll be away from the thread. Comments on interactions between players. I think this shows a bit of effort. Shows that he's read the thread some, makes a post with contentMakes another vote with a decent explanation why. Comments on several players at once in a rational way (which shows some effort?) 2 Low effort posts in a row. But then he invites people to ask him questions, i see this as sticking his neck out some, it shows a willingness to put in effort in the future. I think mandalor is the least scummy of the lurkers. I feel many of his posts fall into that middle ground between putting in no effort (and not admitting or explaining why he's not putting in effort) vs actually making a real effort. Getting into WIFOM area, but could this be indicative of a scum trying to blend in? I agree with corazon, right now I have little interest in lynching one of the active players on d3, unless I can find something in the thread that's way more compelling than I have so far.
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Moc, if I had the answer to the Geript question, why would I pose it? I would've made a whole giant case about it and I would've posted it around now had I know the answer.
TS made one post about how I was Geript's scummiest read, therefore I must be scum. I responded by saying that it was too hard to tell, and that trying to figure it out on that was a whole bunch of WIFOM. The fact that no one else responded to the question is a sign that they agreed that it was too hard to tell.
Testsubject is tunneling me to the point where I'm not even sure if he's trying. He just keeps going on and on and on about how I am scum, does not give me any chance to refute his arguments ("Corazon actions cannot be justified"), and is branching all of his other scumhunting off the assumption that I am scum. What am I supposed to do?
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Mislynches happen D1. There is no way I'm willing to lynch Corazon over that and some crazy association case with Mocsta.
I'm glad TS made some effort to hunt scum among the active players, but I've yet to see anything that makes me sure I want to lynch Mocsta or Corazon.
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Erm, no time to write a big last will, but I'd like to remind you guys that a no-lynch COULD be quite reasonable if we can't consolidate on a real lynch target.
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After presenting a rather false hypothesis during the day (namely: going outside is a good idea), Dr. Bunsen Honeydew retired to his lab. He had some ideas on how to improve a machine he had been working on for some time. Unfortunately, someone had other plans.
TestSubject893 as Dr. Bunsen Honeydew (Tracker) was not eaten by a Gorilla.
+ Show Spoiler [role pm] +You are Dr. Bunsen Honeydew (Tracker). Normally this kind of thing would be beneath you, but it was a special request. You invented a device that can trace where someone goes each night. Of course, it is just a prototype and you’re the only one who knows how to use it. So every night you may venture out of the lab to track a target of your choice. You will be notified who your target visits. You win with town.
It is now day 3! You have 48 hours to vote, until [unparsable timestamp format] on Monday to do so. Voting is mandatory
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Well I doubt Sevryn is going to come out of his hiding place unless we smoke him out:
##Vote: Sevryn
Tell us why we should lynch someone else and not you.
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GGtestsubject. and also GG glurio, WaveofShadow, ObviousOne, and geript -- I forgot this earlier in all the excitement.
##Vote: Sevryn
What corazon said. Please try to make posts, especially ones with more than one sentence, that explain who we should lynch instead of you. Same goes for sylencia and mandalor.
BTW, tomorrow I have family obligations, so I may not be around until the evening.
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Who was roleblocked - seeing as it's confirmed that it's scum RB now since they didn't protect TU (unless they're playing to try make me a liar)
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Never mind - I was roleblocked again.
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On February 17 2013 10:27 Sylencia wrote:
Never mind - I was roleblocked again.
Not to be a douche, but could you explain how you didn't know you were role blocked until 26 minutes after the deadline?
I assume you get notified of being roleblocked via PM, and the PM indicator is pretty obvious. Clearly you refreshed the thread if you knew nobody else claimed to be roleblocked, so you should have noticed the PM indicator...
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I checked the forums on my phone, which doesn't have me logged in - I hopped on the computer and typed it out before even noticing the new PM.
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GG guys. Can't wait to discuss things in post game.
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