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TestSubject893
United States774 Posts
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On February 16 2013 10:31 TestSubject893 wrote: What's your opinion on this, Corazon? I don't think it's enough to elicit a defensive kill for certain, it certainly was an attack on Mocsta. I think it's too hard to tell for sure without going into a whole lot of WIFOM. However, I think that Warbaby's own criticism in Mocsta's play "being manipulative and pushy D1" can't be place as part of his scum meta. He acted exactly the same in XXXIV as town. He got massive amounts of confirmation bias and really put the town in an atmosphere where it was his way or the highway, which led to several mislynches and let a lurker scum (Sylencia) slip by and win the game without really taking any pressure. I think Mocsta's game has been half old Mocsta, half new Mocsta. At times he has been very patient with people and let others play the game as well, but at other times he has tried to be the mayor. While I do not enjoy an inconsistent game out of anyone, I'm not too fond of Mocsta's aggressive side (I locked horns with him about 85% of D1 in XXXIV). I'm happy with the patient Mocsta I have seen, and I'm really just trying to stay out of his way and play my own game. However, he is trying to intertwine himself with me a lot. It's suspicious, but it's obviously not enough to say he is scum. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
I'm just going to chalk that down to pre-game shenanigans. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
So Mandalor, your post count is low but your posts have been of decent quality. If you are town I think you being more active would help us out a lot. So Sevryn, can you make some posts so I don't have to go to the OP to remember your name? Someone had to do it... | ||
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warbaby
United States510 Posts
I currently think Sylencia is the scummiest of the lurkers, due to the extreme lack of effort in his filter. I'd like Sylencia to explain why he's less scummy than sevryn and mandalor, if he can. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On February 16 2013 12:01 warbaby wrote: Following up on Corazon's questions... I currently think Sylencia is the scummiest of the lurkers, due to the extreme lack of effort in his filter. I'd like Sylencia to explain why he's less scummy than sevryn and mandalor, if he can. Don't you think it would be more prudent to ask all of them why the other two are scummier? Or do you feel like we need to go lurker-by-lurker? | ||
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warbaby
United States510 Posts
On February 16 2013 12:09 cDgCorazon wrote: Don't you think it would be more prudent to ask all of them why the other two are scummier? Or do you feel like we need to go lurker-by-lurker? I'd be overjoyed other two responded as such (or made just make post in the first place). But yeah I'm highlighting sylencia for now. Maybe that's wrong, since sevryn did help mislynch glurio. Sevryn states here that he voted glurio because glurio made a crappy case, and because he thought I was getting too much attention? Those are some pretty bad reasons to vote someone when there are lurkers about. | ||
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warbaby
United States510 Posts
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On February 16 2013 12:15 warbaby wrote: I'd be overjoyed other two responded as such (or made just make post in the first place). But yeah I'm highlighting sylencia for now. Maybe that's wrong, since sevryn did help mislynch glurio. Sevryn states here that he voted glurio because glurio made a crappy case, and because he thought I was getting too much attention? Those are some pretty bad reasons to vote someone when there are lurkers about. About time someone else highlighted the other 2 votes on the Glurio wagon...thanks. | ||
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Sevryn
698 Posts
starts off with some posts about lurkers jumps onto the WoS wagon apologizes for being inactive a good bit which could be lurker or he might just be that busy not really sure. hopefully he will post more this weekend. soft defends warbaby from syl On February 12 2013 23:36 Mandalor wrote: another reason why sylencia's behavior so far is weird, especially since I have him in mind as a competent player. Since I'll be here for another 30 minutes I might as well do that analysis. Sadly, I fell for it as well. Reaction to zarepath's experiment of a fake case on WoS in order of posts: warbaby: FoS, no reasons given cDgCorazon: Likes part of the case, but it's not enough for him to vote WoS. Also critisizes parts of zare's analysis. Mocsta: Likes the case somewhat, wants to wait for WoS' defense Sevryn: Likes the case, feels like zare missed something warbaby: FoS, doesn't really comment on the case despite being asked about it and votes a lurker. Unvotes and FoSes (or sth) WoS Mandalor: FoS, likes the analysis of WoS' 6th post. Well, dammit :D Sn0_Man: Likes the case, but is not willing to vote an active player unless we get a really solid case. Really doesn't like WoS' defense. WaveOfShadow: Likes the case (funny enough), votes Macheji geript: Votes WoS (the only one to do so), feels WoS didn't contribute at all and his voting does not align with his reads If anyone feels like I'm being unfair in the assessment, let me know. It's really just tl;dr versions of your posts as I read them. posted list of reactions to WoS case which isnt something you couldnt find out for yourself. keeps asking people to ask him questions instead of making a case. | ||
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Sevryn
698 Posts
On February 12 2013 08:55 Sylencia wrote: Currently at work - I can answer questions and make shallow comments about posts but I can't go too indepth with analysis at the moment (though this part has never really been a strong point of mine in these games) Lowering expectations of how good they will be at scumhunting and then the 5 posts on D1 about blue claims and the like which really only helps scum on D1 On February 13 2013 09:21 Sylencia wrote: I've only checked a few filters unfortunately (bad play by me) but from those I've checked I'm going to still stick with my suspicion on Warbaby. I've tunneled on him a little bit too much though... another post admitting to being a bad player and altogether undermining thier own stance on things which is a great tactic if later your going to have to go back on your reads. real easy to go "I told you guys I was bad at scum hunting" looking through the whole filter I just see a lot of answering direct questions and no real cases. | ||
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Sevryn
698 Posts
On February 16 2013 12:15 warbaby wrote: I'd be overjoyed other two responded as such (or made just make post in the first place). But yeah I'm highlighting sylencia for now. Maybe that's wrong, since sevryn did help mislynch glurio. Sevryn states here that he voted glurio because glurio made a crappy case, and because he thought I was getting too much attention? Those are some pretty bad reasons to vote someone when there are lurkers about. Glurio was a lurker. maybe not the worst but at the time he was the scummiest to me on my posts I think that glurio is the bigger lurker but syls posts just looks much more scummy to me. there is a differance to not being here and being here but making yourself look not that helpfull on purpose so people dont expect much from you. that said I wouldnt be suprised if they were both scum however syl atm looks to me more likely | ||
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Sylencia
Australia1057 Posts
Corazon: I'm still sure that Warbaby is scum, potential slip during day 2, one of the weirdest statements I've read during day 1, and he's now also claimed I've fake roleblock claimed. Remember when you were scum and you managed to slip under the radar for another 3 days while we flailed around until the other scum kind of screwed up your plans? This is something I don't want to let happen again. Sevryn: It's not like I'm even talking about my level of scumhunting wihtout backup - you can check my filters for the other 3 games I've been in. How many cases have I truly brought up? Not too many. You guys all mention how I talk about the potential blue claim for quite a while on Day 1 - I didn't even say it's likely he's blue unless it's a Vig. | ||
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Sevryn
698 Posts
On February 16 2013 13:54 Sylencia wrote: Sorry guys, wasn't around last night. Corazon: I'm still sure that Warbaby is scum, potential slip during day 2, one of the weirdest statements I've read during day 1, and he's now also claimed I've fake roleblock claimed. Remember when you were scum and you managed to slip under the radar for another 3 days while we flailed around until the other scum kind of screwed up your plans? This is something I don't want to let happen again. Sevryn: It's not like I'm even talking about my level of scumhunting wihtout backup - you can check my filters for the other 3 games I've been in. How many cases have I truly brought up? Not too many. You guys all mention how I talk about the potential blue claim for quite a while on Day 1 - I didn't even say it's likely he's blue unless it's a Vig. talking about it at all isnt really something thats good for down it can only help scum on Day 1 | ||
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warbaby
United States510 Posts
Do you think any of the active players have been attacking you harder than sylencia and Mandlor, because they know you're the one remaining town lurker? Does anyone think we can extend this hypothetical to scenarios where sevryn and sylencia are scum? Or sevryn and mandalor? My point is that if two lurkers are scum, then one active player is scum, and perhaps we can spot a difference between the way active players have been treating the different lurkers. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
On February 16 2013 13:54 Sylencia wrote: Sorry guys, wasn't around last night. Corazon: I'm still sure that Warbaby is scum, potential slip during day 2, one of the weirdest statements I've read during day 1, and he's now also claimed I've fake roleblock claimed. Remember when you were scum and you managed to slip under the radar for another 3 days while we flailed around until the other scum kind of screwed up your plans? This is something I don't want to let happen again. The problem is Syl that you haven't done much this game. We have 3 days of playing so far, and your filter is only 2 pages long. 2 pages in 3 days is the best you can do? The reasons that you think Warbaby are scum are really opposite of what has happened in the game. Warbaby's play is such a far cry away from my play in XXXIII. Warbaby has been too obviously out there. It doesn't mean he is town, but he certainly is not playing a similar game to my scum play in XXXIII. He did not say that your claim was fake, he said that he doesn't want to make an assumption you are town. Please do yourself a favor and read posts thoroughly . Since your two scumreads (I presume) are Warbaby and Sevryn, would you like to give us a third scum read? I think it would help us a lot if you gave us a case on someone else that was more vocal than Sevryn and Mandalor, and is also not WB. Do you think this could be possible? | ||
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Sevryn
698 Posts
On February 16 2013 14:00 warbaby wrote: Sevryn, I've been working on the assumption that there are 3 scum. Let's assume you're right that sylencia and Mandalor are scum. Who do you think the 3rd scum could be? Do you think any of the active players have been attacking you harder than sylencia and Mandlor, because they know you're the one remaining town lurker? Does anyone think we can extend this hypothetical to scenarios where sevryn and sylencia are scum? Or sevryn and mandalor? My point is that if two lurkers are scum, then one active player is scum, and perhaps we can spot a difference between the way active players have been treating the different lurkers. Nobody thats still alive. | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
So there's 2 scum? | ||
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TestSubject893
United States774 Posts
On February 16 2013 10:59 cDgCorazon wrote: I don't think it's enough to elicit a defensive kill for certain, it certainly was an attack on Mocsta. I think it's too hard to tell for sure without going into a whole lot of WIFOM. However, I think that Warbaby's own criticism in Mocsta's play "being manipulative and pushy D1" can't be place as part of his scum meta. He acted exactly the same in XXXIV as town. He got massive amounts of confirmation bias and really put the town in an atmosphere where it was his way or the highway, which led to several mislynches and let a lurker scum (Sylencia) slip by and win the game without really taking any pressure. I think Mocsta's game has been half old Mocsta, half new Mocsta. At times he has been very patient with people and let others play the game as well, but at other times he has tried to be the mayor. While I do not enjoy an inconsistent game out of anyone, I'm not too fond of Mocsta's aggressive side (I locked horns with him about 85% of D1 in XXXIV). I'm happy with the patient Mocsta I have seen, and I'm really just trying to stay out of his way and play my own game. However, he is trying to intertwine himself with me a lot. It's suspicious, but it's obviously not enough to say he is scum. So if this isn't a good explanation for the geript kill, what is? I'm feeling some confirmation bias from you here. You think Mocsta is town, so you are quick to write off evidence that might suggest the opposite. | ||
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