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On February 14 2013 10:46 zarepath wrote:Mocsta, can you explain this please? Show nested quote +On February 14 2013 08:18 Mocsta wrote:@Sn0_ManOn February 14 2013 02:09 Sn0_Man wrote:
On a slightly different topic:
I would like to hear an explanation of this line Mocsta. I asked before but I don't remember much of an answer.
On February 12 2013 15:23 Mocsta wrote:
You know what, *this* post made me realise where geript commentary came from, specifically claim town vs think town.
It has to do with: On February 12 2013 11:40 geript wrote:
I didn't claim warbaby as town; I stated I think he's town. There's a big difference between the two.
back to rereading Then our conversation On February 12 2013 15:03 Sn0_Man wrote:
I still don't see it as a "chainsaw defence of a scumbuddy". On February 12 2013 15:23 Mocsta wrote:You know what, *this* post made me realise where geript commentary came from, specifically claim town vs think town.
The point being; it never clicked with me why Geript mentioned he was saying he thought WB was town, instead of claimed town. When you said, it may not have been a "scum buddy" it all clicked together. I countered by saying: On February 12 2013 15:23 Mocsta wrote:
just keep in mind please; chainsaw defense doesnt apply to just defending scum buddy. its basically just attacking the someones attacker personally (instead of their argument). So can be applied to defending town.
I didn't understand this at all; it seemed kind of cryptic. Were you saying that geript might be a Mason with Warbaby or something?
No, not implying that.
I implied what I stated.
When i accused Geript of being scum and chainsaw defending warbaby.
Geript retort was: but i stepped in because I thought he was town (not claimed he was town)
It wasnt until Sn0_Man commented, that I realised Geript was inferring:
he had no knowledge of warbaby alignment due to *NOT* being scum
Thought it was clear, obviously not.
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And apparently there aren't even MAsons, either. LOL.
Okay, it wasn't clear why you were bringing it up, but it hardly matters now anyway, so moving on.
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Regarding Sevryn
I read through Sevryn's filter and the only thing from it I can hold against him is the vote on Glurio and possibly concern for the replacement of 9-bit. Sevryn also seems well-equipped to scum-hunt so I will keep an eye out for his case(s).
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On February 14 2013 10:53 zarepath wrote:
And apparently there aren't even MAsons, either. LOL.
Okay, it wasn't clear why you were bringing it up, but it hardly matters now anyway, so moving on.
Zarepath is hosting an AMA guys!
Zare: If you were the deciding vote on a lynch between all the players in the game, who would you vote for right now?
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On February 14 2013 10:17 Mocsta wrote:
(3) Your RB; town JK or scum RB?
Sylencia, I'd really like to know the answer to this.
Working on a post right now guys, will be up soon.
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EBWOP: Sorry just saw that he answered it. Misread it the first time.
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On February 14 2013 10:59 TestSubject893 wrote:Sylencia, I'd really like to know the answer to this.
Working on a post right now guys, will be up soon.
Can you please indulge why this is of the utmost priority for you?
I would have thought being a new guy, perhaps, you would be focusing on establishing your innocence; rather than digesting "blue role" information.
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On February 14 2013 10:48 zarepath wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2013 10:44 Mocsta wrote:
DT isn't a role this game.... its pretty easy to check; frankly, i dont know why your making these type of claims without doing your homework?
i.e. I would like an answer to the above please. LOL wow, apparently you're right. That was a really needlessly risky thing I did then on Day 1. I built a lot of assumptions off of that. Okay, so I read the roles once before the game started, but decided I wasn't even going to look at them until after N1 to keep myself from delving into needless role speculation. I really should've checked when I saw the DT claim, but the last 4 games I've played have all had DTs and for some reason seeing those two capital letters in such an awkward sentence just made everything click for me and got me all excited.
Whoah whoah, dont run away so fast;
This DT stuff is adding even more confusion to my last will comment to you.
On February 14 2013 09:48 Mocsta wrote:Mocsta N1: Last Will [zarepath]I am so conflicted with this guy. In my opinion, his "fake case" actually unsettled town and is responsible for creating this split vote outcome. I am still trying to piece together whether the outcome was simply not thought through enough (town); OR intentional (scum). My concern is that, zarepath did not deliver the thorough analysis of this "experiment" like promised - at least I dont recall reading it. I also noticed at the end of Night 1, zarepath shared some reads; but these are based on the thread dynamics, not his experiment (conveniently....) I think zarepath needs to provide *VERY* clear reasoning behind his actions this Day2. If needs be; pressure him for this. Remember, the experiment itself is NULL. It comes down to WHAT he does with the information.
Im going to give you a quick run down on my worst-case interpretation:
- Scum/SK looking for easy town cred
spots a claim; cos your not town, run with an assumption that DT exists, and builds a fake case
- The case doesnt get as much traction as you wanted; though no one broke it down, not many actually supported it with a vote.
- You decide its better to gain town cred by ousting the play; and you did receive town cred
- You promise analysis, and never follow through; just providing an easy summary list.
If I look at you in best case scenario:
- You are VT
- You spot the "claim" and being VT, u didnt pay attention to the OP and have a brilliant idea to build a fake case to see reactions.
- The case doesnt get as much traction as you wanted; though no one broke it down, not many actually supported it with a vote.
- You decide to give up the shenanigans and again spot more reactions.
- You promise analysis; life got busy, or you saw nothing of note, and did not follow through.
The problem I have with 'best-case scenario" is; if there was nothing of note to provide analysis; why not just spill the beans instead of moving along like nothing happened? (Its obviously too late to say anything now, its just WIFOM)
Lastly, as I said before, i think your case was a major issue to why we could not consolidate votes Day1.
I want need detailed answers behind your reasoning zarepath.
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I was getting ready to write up a post about my thoughts on everyone so far, but when I got the results of the night actions I realized that that post would probably be overshadowed when I posted this, so I scrapped it for now.
I am the Tracker. As we know from the rules, the mafia chooses who will carry out each kill. From this we can conclude that the mafia will choose the player they percieve to be least suspicious on their team to carry out the kill. In an attempt to catch a potential least suspicous scum player, last night I tracked ObviousOne. The results were that he visisted WaveofShadow.
This means that one of the following is true:
(A) ObviousOne is a Vigilante, Jailkeeper or Watcher who targeted WaveofShadow.
(B) The framer chose to frame ObviousOne for the WaveofShadow kill.
(C) ObviousOne is the Nosy Neighbour and the RNG hit the 2/11 chance that he'd visit someone who was killed.
(D) ObviousOne is scum or serial killer and killed WaveofShadow.
A is unlikely for the following reasons. ObviousOne said himself that a Vigilante should have checked in ahead of time, making it unlikely that that is his role + Show Spoiler +On February 14 2013 10:23 ObviousOne wrote:
Still have some time for a possible Vig to check in. I'm surprised there wasn't a claim given there was an hour window during which night actions were being put through, but that might just mean they're not able to respond yet. Going to have to assume SK if there isn't a claim in the next 24 hours.
B is unlikely becuase there is little reason for the mafia to think that ObviousOne will get tracked.
C is unlikely mathematically. (Even if there is a 10% chance that OO is the Nosy Neighbour, a very high estimate, that means that there is a less than 2% likelihood of this occuring.)
From this I conclude that ObviousOne is the serial killer or scum and killed WaveofShadow.
##Vote: ObviousOne
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On February 14 2013 11:17 TestSubject893 wrote:I was getting ready to write up a post about my thoughts on everyone so far, but when I got the results of the night actions I realized that that post would probably be overshadowed when I posted this, so I scrapped it for now.
I am the Tracker. As we know from the rules, the mafia chooses who will carry out each kill. From this we can conclude that the mafia will choose the player they percieve to be least suspicious on their team to carry out the kill. In an attempt to catch a potential least suspicous scum player, last night I tracked ObviousOne. The results were that he visisted WaveofShadow.This means that one of the following is true: (A) ObviousOne is a Vigilante, Jailkeeper or Watcher who targeted WaveofShadow. (B) The framer chose to frame ObviousOne for the WaveofShadow kill. (C) ObviousOne is the Nosy Neighbour and the RNG hit the 2/11 chance that he'd visit someone who was killed. (D) ObviousOne is scum or serial killer and killed WaveofShadow. A is unlikely for the following reasons. ObviousOne said himself that a Vigilante should have checked in ahead of time, making it unlikely that that is his role + Show Spoiler +On February 14 2013 10:23 ObviousOne wrote:
Still have some time for a possible Vig to check in. I'm surprised there wasn't a claim given there was an hour window during which night actions were being put through, but that might just mean they're not able to respond yet. Going to have to assume SK if there isn't a claim in the next 24 hours.
. We know that he is not the Jailkeeper, because the Jailkeeper visisted Sylencia tonight. And its unlikely that he is a Watcher, not only because we already have a Tracker, and therefore it is less likely that we have a Watcher, but also because if he watched WaveofShadow he would have said something about who visited the person who was killed. B is unlikely becuase there is little reason for the mafia to think that ObviousOne will get tracked. C is unlikely mathematically. (Even if there is a 10% chance that OO is the Nosy Neighbour, a very high estimate, that means that there is a less than 2% likelihood of this occuring.) From this I conclude that ObviousOne is the serial killer or scum and killed WaveofShadow.##Vote: ObviousOne
your assuming that there isnt a scum RB and a town JK
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EWBODP although that is pretty unlikely this is really interesting looking forward to seeing what OO says
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alright so first holy shit at these Night kills I would imagine its a sk because of the vigi being one shots and there not being a great case on either of the people who died.
second I would like to point out some points of concern for me on corazon
1. He didnt vote for the person he claimed was the scummiest d1 instead voting for glurio with only two votes on glurio so it was still anybodys game as to who got lynched at the time he swapped his vote.
2.this part of his recent post seemed odd because a vote for me wasnt really a non vote seeing as I was the second closest person to being lynched.
WoS- I know this point has been discussed to death but I really don’t like the fact that he threw his vote away D1 (scum don’t usually care about the lynch unless it’s one of their own) and his non-vote for Sevryn was scummy as well.
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EBwodp again I mean to hit post on this ^ first
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Oh, shoot, I did read it right the first time. Somehow I read this post as saying that he got role blocked by the good guys. Either way, I think that case is unlikely enough that we have no choice but to lynch OO today.
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WOW....
Guys we need a counter-claim on the "tracker" pls
ObviousOne... I curious to hear this one.
##Unvote
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On February 14 2013 11:22 Sevryn wrote:alright so first holy shit at these Night kills I would imagine its a sk because of the vigi being one shots and there not being a great case on either of the people who died. second I would like to point out some points of concern for me on corazon 1. He didnt vote for the person he claimed was the scummiest d1 instead voting for glurio with only two votes on glurio so it was still anybodys game as to who got lynched at the time he swapped his vote. 2.this part of his recent post seemed odd because a vote for me wasnt really a non vote seeing as I was the second closest person to being lynched. Show nested quote +
WoS- I know this point has been discussed to death but I really don’t like the fact that he threw his vote away D1 (scum don’t usually care about the lynch unless it’s one of their own) and his non-vote for Sevryn was scummy as well.
I'm very suspicious of Corazon too. I was thinking about writing up a case on him, the timing of that vote was just so scummy to me. I'll hold off on that for now though as I assume people will want to discuss ObviousOne and his killing of WaveofShadow last night first.
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On February 14 2013 11:28 TestSubject893 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2013 11:22 Sevryn wrote:alright so first holy shit at these Night kills I would imagine its a sk because of the vigi being one shots and there not being a great case on either of the people who died. second I would like to point out some points of concern for me on corazon 1. He didnt vote for the person he claimed was the scummiest d1 instead voting for glurio with only two votes on glurio so it was still anybodys game as to who got lynched at the time he swapped his vote. 2.this part of his recent post seemed odd because a vote for me wasnt really a non vote seeing as I was the second closest person to being lynched.
WoS- I know this point has been discussed to death but I really don’t like the fact that he threw his vote away D1 (scum don’t usually care about the lynch unless it’s one of their own) and his non-vote for Sevryn was scummy as well.
I'm very suspicious of Corazon too. I was thinking about writing up a case on him, the timing of that vote was just so scummy to me. I'll hold off on that for now though as I assume people will want to discuss ObviousOne and his killing of WaveofShadow last night first.
Yeah I probably should have held off on making that post till we can figure out if OO has a counter claim or anything
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TestSubject,
I read the logic over a few times; I think the options listed are valid.
ObviousOne is a candidate for SK.. but I need to hear somethings from you first
Can you please clarify:
On February 14 2013 11:17 TestSubject893 wrote:
B is unlikely becuase there is little reason for the mafia to think that ObviousOne will get tracked.
If scum did not value ObviousOne; why would you target him? That part of the story needs to be complete for me.
As an aside, we know ObviousOne isnt JK, because the kill went through despite a "JK block"
Completely agree on the vig logic deduction.
Second question:
Lets say ObviousOne claims VT => (COULD be Nosy Neghbour, he is not self-aware)
What do we do; do we lynch ObviousOne?
If so, if he flips town; does that mean we lynch you next?
I want to believe your claim; but the umm.. amazingness of it all is making me shocked all over again. I cant handle this twice in 2hours.
Really need your answers on the above; and feedback from ObviousOne.
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Well, fuck. There goes my shot at staying null.
I am Pops the Doorman and the Vigilante.
I shot WaveofShadow. I thought he was scum. I couldn't get a good read on him based on D1 and I felt it would give me insight into his back-and-forth with Corazon and thus more information about Corazon. Haven't looked yet at Corazon in light of the flip but now that it's out, you know where I was going with it and why I mentioned it earlier.
I don't believe in breadcrumbs (as you can see in the case of Zarepath, they aren't exactly invisible) and from what I've read/experienced in normal games, breadcrumbs are a good way to get yourself killed with a power role.
I also didn't want to give scum a chance at finding a confirmed town for tomorrow so I just kept quiet.
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Its going to take an awful lot for him to get out of this. I can't see a scenario where we don't kill him today.... I guess we need to wait a little bit to solidify my tracker claim? I guess I'm more confident in this because I have the hard facts of me being the tracker and the results from tracking and you guys are getting it second hand.
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