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You knew it was coming ##Vote: RNG Lets get some healthy discussion happening peoples! | ||
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geript.. if you vote for warbaby (my doppleganger) your voting for ME ##Vote: Geript This shit for realz now huh | ||
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On February 11 2013 09:40 WaveofShadow wrote: /confirm I thought we had to wait until 20:00 but I guess since others are posting... I'm completely against RNG lynch I'd much rather to lurker if possible if we need a Day 1 strategy. Mocsta I saw in a game you were recently in (i'm kinda busy to check right now) someone suggested RNG lynch and everyone immediately dumped all over him for scum. Why should this game be any different? Excellent question no talking about current games sorry so I will take a hypothetical situation  we in a game, and halfway through Day 1, someone randomly says lets RNG, and hey lets nominate guy #10 Conveniently this guy, doesnt include himself in the RNG count either... its just weird overall. What I am proposing is nothing like that #1 - I am more than willing to be lynched if selected by RNG #2 - If RNG'd I will do scum hunt the best I can, to leave town in as good a situation as I can #3 - I been talking about RNG pre-game so its not suspicious (like the last game) my motive for this is clear and transparant. If you want me to produce a revised case for RNG, i shall oblige | ||
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On February 11 2013 09:43 warbaby wrote: /confirm I'd like to post basically the same thing I did at the beginning of NMM 36. Hopefully these simple points will help create a constructive town atmosphere.
I failed on the last 2 points in NMM 36, so I'm going to try to improve in that regard. I also will be more busy with work than I was during NMM 36, so I may not be posting as often (I'll try to make up for this by making higher quality posts). GLHF everyone  P.S. Voting me for being terrible is clearly a great strategy. Waka waka! Thats fuckn scummy as clone. You want to post the same thing as another game when you were TOWN. I did the same thing when I was scum you know.. you really are copying me arent you. ##Unvote ##Vote:Warbaby you know geript, you really were onto something here | ||
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On February 11 2013 09:51 geript wrote: Mocsta: four people one way or another have responded in the negatory to RNG vote. That in the least is enough to negate the usefulness of RNG vote. Please cease your discussion of RNG as it is more likely to be a waste of time (both posting and rereading) at this point. Did not realise 4 people represented a majority in this game. Why dont you give others a chance to post their own thoughts instead of trying to forcefully influence them before they have spoken. Are you trying for a dictatorship here or something? | ||
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On February 11 2013 09:43 warbaby wrote:
Agreed, no lurky lurk. When appropriate is very loose wording, setting you up to change your agenda as you see fit. My thoughts are: Im going to lynch my best scum read. If scum reads are ambiguous and cases are grasping at straws, I will RNG out of the pool of lurkers (no pun on RNG intended,m ore so how do you chose between 3 or 4 ppl with 1 post) Post consolidation definitely important. No need to hear every thought. But this is no excuse for lurking either. Will try my best. But do I really have to tolerate idiotic play. But yes. OMGUS is terrible and often scum motivation. Theres a difference between OMGUS and making a well-reasoned counter-case. | ||
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On February 11 2013 09:58 geript wrote: @Mcosta please reread my post. I did not say it was a majority at all, just that it was enough to negate any perceived value of RNG. Dont be coy. It was clear what you were subtley inferring. If you dont like the RNG fine. Believe it or not, I dont have a problem with that. But what I would like is a rational, well-reasoned answer to why not. Thus far, the only people that have done that, are guys pre-game NOT EVEN IN THE GAME. How do you plan to build a case on scum, if you can't even succintly manifest your thoughts on RNG. No one is attacking the arguments for RNG. They are saying.. yucky I dont like that. Is this the level of gameplay we are to expect in this newbie? If so, that is precisely WHY RNG is required. | ||
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On February 11 2013 10:02 cDgCorazon wrote: Please don't make that an issue unless it's a real problem. Actually considering your last game, I think he is right to point this out. It was very off-putting to say the least. Your on watch. | ||
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On February 11 2013 10:03 cDgCorazon wrote: I'm hoping you're still going to adhere to this Moc. Why is that? Are you scared im gonna find all the scum Corazon, including you? Any-who; did you see me leading questions everywhere? No. I stand by not trying to be the string puller this game. Other people need a chance to shine. Im just here to give them a hard time Btw, i dont think me pushign for RNG has anythign to do with trying to mayor. Its a concept I believed in prior to this game starting, and so far, no one has quashed that belief by proper debate. | ||
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On February 11 2013 10:05 warbaby wrote: Seconded. If we were going to do RNG we had negotiate it pre-game (to avoid scums manipulating it). We failed. There's no way I can agree to RNG now. I can accept that as a valid argument. If I was to contest it would be that, all points were raised in entirety pre-game. (i.e. cause / implementation / outcome / maintaining discussions) That people did no comment then, and choose to now; is certainly not indicative of being scum. It is indicative of being interested in current matters to town. I would consider that alignment null, but at least its helping to differentiate actives from lurkers. Thats a pro in itself. | ||
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On February 11 2013 10:16 Sn0_Man wrote: In other news, RNG lynch is still retarded and thankfully everybody with a brain has said no to it. I'd prefer if we avoided discussing it further. This is precisely the type of retarded arguments Im talking about reducing. What.. because you say it is retarded, it is now case closed. Is this how you plan to build cases Sn0_Man, if so, why is there any value for town keeping you here? Im suggesting an open forum of communication; which appears at first read, 180 degrees from your suggestion. Mocsta: I certainly hope you can bring yourself to post differently from last newb game you were in. You are not off on the right foot. Side-note: Misspelling and attempts to impress with words that you don't actually understand don't earn brownie points, although I'll have to admit they are hardly scumtells. + Show Spoiler [bad english] + On February 11 2013 10:02 Mocsta wrote: How do you plan to build a case on scum, if you can't even succintly manifest your thoughts on RNG. Lets see succintly: "with concise and precise brevity; to the point; "Please state your case as succinctly as possible"; "he wrote compactly.." manifest: "Display or show (a quality or feeling) by one's acts or appearance; demonstrate: "manifest signs of depression"" I dont see any problems with my English above. I am not sure if English is your first language, so I will not treat this as an attempt by scum to mock me publicly. | ||
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On February 11 2013 10:18 cDgCorazon wrote: And calling me scum is a really stupid thing to say 30 minutes into a game. I'm assuming you are going to give me reasons why I am scum based off of my 4 posts? Its just banter, you know how it goes. I do think your behaviour last game was the antithesis of pro-town. If you did it two games in a row, I would consider it scummy motives. For now yes its just banter. | ||
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On February 11 2013 10:16 cDgCorazon wrote: I do believe pushing for RNG is being "Mayor-like". It's pushing for a move that affects the whole town. Noted. I didn't think of it like that. I was excited by the concept. But you are right; it is being like mayor. Look, the idea is out there, if people ask me questions I will respond about it; otherwise, will stop actively pursuing it. Hopefully someone else cares enough to carry the torch. Fine then Mocsta, why should we let RNG decide who should be lynched? Why can't we put enough faith in our own abilities to find scum? I love having confidence in my scum hunting abilities. The track record speaks for itself. (not good) I am not sure if anyone here has a track record of successfully nailing scum without mislynches. There is nothing wrong with confidence, but please note the Krueger effect http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect RNG is an easy to implement deterrent to this. Only scum would still be ok with this policy because they are not forced to scumhunt, only jump on the RNG idea and hope that they don't get selected (which is a low chance mathematically). Are you calling me scum? May I remind you: On February 11 2013 10:18 cDgCorazon wrote: And calling me scum is a really stupid thing to say 30 minutes into a game. I'm assuming you are going to give me reasons why I am scum based off of my 4 posts? Fact is, if a guy comes into the came with no posts 50% through Day1, and suggests RNG yeah I think its suspicious. But ask yourself this, have I not been transparent with my intentions? Ask yourself this; if I was scum and received the backlash I got pre-game, do you honestly think I would continue this pursuit. This isn't my first time playing this game. I know that there are going to be a few people lurking D1, and I have faith that at least one of the will be scum. It would be a lot more prudent to try those odds instead of RNG-ing it. Im not against this at all. Scum hunting doesnt have to be one-dimensional. Town can use multiple methods of attack to provoke scum into giving themselves up. Lighting fires under lurkers, is but one method of attack. | ||
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On February 11 2013 10:24 cDgCorazon wrote: Try not to be so offensive Mocsta... "succinctly" is not a word in the English language. And South Africa was colonized by the British for a long time so I'm pretty sure English is his first language... http://www.thefreedictionary.com/succinctly succintly is an adverb seriously does this actually need to be discussed.. its Off-Topic as far as I am concerned, and surprised it is even an issue. its the internet, and people type short-hand all the time. That you are choosing to continue this discussion is odd; this is the last I have to say on the matter. | ||
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As for openly aggressive, I find this ironic when you idea of a debate is saying "thats retarded, no". As I said before, if that is how you intend to scum hunt; why are you of value to town? The point of this game is to take a logical approach; removed of fallacy. What you are promoting is shifting away from that. Perhaps I am taking it personal, which you are reading as dominating; but as I have said, I dont have a problem if you/anyone are/is against RNG. However at least have the courtesy to outline a genuine reason that clearly indicates you have put thought into it. Instead, what you have done is immediately rubbish my idea (with no merit), and then belittle me (on inconsequential technicalities; of course I am going to stand up for myself. | ||
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On February 11 2013 10:40 cDgCorazon wrote: I agree with this 100%. You were giving us all of this stuff pre-game about how you weren't gonna be town mayor, yet you are starting to create a hostile environment and trying to direct the discussion and the town action right off the get-go. Which Mocsta are you going to give us this game? The one you promised in pre-game or the one that you have shown in every game of NMM you have played? (Is there any other side of you to begin with?) Dude I already said above I recognise what you were saying with RNG/mayor, and stepping away from it Also, as I said in my last post to Sn0_Man (maybe written after you wrote this) I am not going to let a guy come in here, and just rubbish my idea by stating its retarded. That is not how to play the game, and is certainly not conducive to a friendly environment. I believe I am advocating an open discussion; then look at what he is advocating. Just because you have the same opinion, does not make his approach beneficial to town. So yes, I agree my tone is sharp; but its hard to not be, when I receive responses like this. It is completely one-way. e.g. lets say you have a scum read on him. are you telling me, its acceptable for him to dismiss your case by saying 'no, thats retarded". Knowing your play corazon, I expect you to think this is indeed not good enough. | ||
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But I did have a problem with him flaming me due to grammar. If he did not understand the sentence, due to the incorrect usage of verbs whatever, than ask for clarification. I dont believe he asked for clarificaiton, which logically means it was an attempt to publicly mock me - why else bring attention to this. And I do not see how that really offers any benefit to Day 1 discussions. So based on the "cheap-shot" flaming, would have probably carried a similar sentiment. | ||
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##Unvote Might need more people online first though. | ||
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Please clarify | ||
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