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Oatsmaster, Mocsta: Stop focusing on each other. Just by your activity neither of you are up for lynch right now so stop focusing on each other. Whatever useful you could be doing by arguing with each other you've done it by now so quit it and stop messing the thread up. It is bloating the thread and for hardly any reason. Take a deep breath and a step back and focus on something else, if you want better reads on each other then just reread your discussion, I'm sure there's something you missed. Alright going to read page 15 now. But seriously, quit it and do something else. | ||
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On February 06 2013 21:53 Oatsmaster wrote: Hey, Respond about Djo's random lynch idea and VE's LYNCH ALL LURKERS policy. Is it normal for VE? It's an idea, sometimes it works out sometimes it doesn't. He specifically states that he just wants to generate discussion so maybe he was fed up with your bantering too, I don't know but lets see how Djodref proceeds from here. No idea if it is normal for VisceraEyes but threatening lurkers early day1 is always viable. Doesn't really mean much. On February 06 2013 22:02 Djodref wrote: @ prplhz Could you expand on your activity argument ? Are you implying that you are going to lynch a lurker today ? Why wouldn't you lynch Oats especially ? No, I'm implying that if we were to discuss who to lynch right now it would be silly to consider the two most active people unless we have a pretty decent case and we don't. I'm not going to lynch Oatsmaster right now because he has a great deal of activity and it's going to be harder for him to keep up appearances as scum later on like that. I also think he has showed a good amount of interest in this game, by fervor as well as insight, so townie points for him. Where are you going with this random lynch thing? | ||
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On February 07 2013 04:10 yamato77 wrote: So, I'm mafia because I won't tell you why I think phagga might be town? Lol. Okay. Sure. Waste today thinking that. Dude, just tell him now. You don't want slOosh and his case on your back today because you're going to end up getting lynched. The case is pretty decent and I'd say you stand a good chance of getting lynched today, or at the very least you're going to attract a lot of attention to yourself which is not something we generally want out of a townie on day 1. So just say what you found in phagga's filter that makes you see him as town in spite of how he has done things that put you on to your main scum read. Your excuse that you wont say because "mafia will just talk about it" doesn't hold. Your read is absolutely void unless you can explain it to other people in this thread so get going please. | ||
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It doesn't seem like a townie thinking "fuck yea, i nailed this cracker and it's so obvious! now i just have to get everybody else to listen to me!", more like "cool, i can just put my vote on him and then chill". How do you guys feel about jaybrundage? | ||
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@Mocsta Could you please link the post you're talking about instead of saying "Yea, but what about that jaybrundage post, huh?" because I literally haven't a clue what you're talking about. I'm also going to have a really hard time arguing with someone who says that he doesn't think someone else is scum because they were scum last game. That's unsound in all ways imaginable. | ||
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On February 08 2013 03:05 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah CC, HORRIFYING 180. Anyway yeah thought I would see Palmars old games, came across that gem, and since I respect marv very much, I decided that he wasnt saying bullshit and that is what Palmar would do if he rolled scum. Ok JX, other than my 'scummy' 180, is there anything else that makes you think I am scum? That marvellosity quote is like a month old. If you already knew all that then why did you go for Palmar in the first place? | ||
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On February 08 2013 03:08 Oatsmaster wrote: I didnt know it? Im confused prp, its not like I had it in my back pocket all this while. Also in Marvs filter in that game, he mentions Palmar like 15 times per page. hehe. Then why do you know it now? Did you just happen to fall upon a month old analysis on Palmar by marvellosity and then go "Holy fuck, that applies to my situation right now!"? | ||
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On February 08 2013 03:17 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Can you point me in the direction of a case on Jay? How do you feel of him personally? He's been fairly elusive to me. Only thing he's done is call out Djo for obvious reasons from what I remember. Well, that's kind of the case. He is elusive and calls out people for obvious reasons and seems perfectly happy about that. I already wrote that with a lot more words but I think you nailed it in one sentence. | ||
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On February 08 2013 03:24 Oatsmaster wrote: Who do you actually want to lynch prp? So far NO strong scum reads. You need to vote, where is it gonna be? No, I don't have any strong scum reads and that's annoying because there are a lot of scum so some of them should be obvious already now (hopefully). I don't know who I will vote, I have a list of people I don't want to vote but that doesn't help me much. I want to lynch jaybrundage as I have already said a bunch of times but that's not a strong scum read (just the best I have) and it's not actually a lot that nobody else likes it. | ||
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On February 08 2013 03:46 Mocsta wrote: @prplhz I know your reading this. I would appreciate if we can converse again please. In regards to JX I am not sure what JX sucks means. What I do know is that you are focused on jaybrundage. What is odd is that. after several pages (including JX being active) we get this: You said originally you were holding off commenting on JX because he wasnt present. Well now he is, I would like you to expound on his alignment and why? I don't really think that JieXian is scum. His first post was crazy accusations against you for a singular reason (some self contradiction or whatever) and I don't think that's scummy. It also looked very spontaneous (you'll notice that he totally forgot his vote) which looks like he didn't reread or overthink what he was posting which is something I think is more of a townie tell than scum. Then he disappeared for a day and I believe he was actually just not here, not much to say about that. I don't think he's looked scum after he returned either. What I mean by "he sucks" is that he's spamming and being a nuissance but that doesn't mean that he's scum at all (case in point: you), to the contrary. He looks like he's posting what's on his mind right now and that immediate feeling to his posting is something I think is pretty townie. He's also mainly gone for Oatsmaster since he came back and that's a bit weird for a scum who's the alternative lynch I would think, he's likely going to get lynched over Oatsmaster because a bunch of people already said that Oatsmaster is not someone we want to lynch today so why isn't he going for an "easier" target in JieXian or Palmar? (I know he was on Palmar for a short while but read his filter and you can easily see that he actually really wants to lynch Oatsmaster) I still want to lynch jaybrundage. | ||
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On February 08 2013 04:04 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Fuck it, YOLO ##vote: jiexian I dont see it going any other way. Everyone is yelling die scum die. This is some scummy shit. | ||
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How you feel about Mr. Cheesecake voting JieXian because he doesn't think he can do anything about it with "only" 10 hours left and not because he feels that JieXian is scum, but because people are yelling that he is scum? | ||
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On February 08 2013 08:20 Mocsta wrote: Hmmm this ve stuff phagga in conjunction with snarfs case isnt looking good for ve. [...] You can't mention Snarfs case as reasonable for possibily lynching VisceraEyes when you have said (repeatedly) that it isn't a good case. I can do that, however, since I've always liked Snarfs case. I don't like the looks of VisceraEyes. I'll lynch him over JieXian. | ||
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On February 08 2013 09:23 phagga wrote: prplhz: You wrote twice that you want to lynch jaybrundage, but never voted him. Now you have voted VE without giving reasons. Why is he now the better lynch then jay? I gave reasons. Snarfs case and your analysis. I don't know if he is a better lynch, but jaybrundage isn't getting lynched at all. I just don't like the JieXian lynch. | ||
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On February 10 2013 02:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Yes Palmar, what's the benefit of keeping information from scum until after they've acted? I'm eager for this answer too because applying the whole of my brainpower I can't think of a single good thing to come of that. /sarcasm Can't you just not post if you don't have anything useful to say, or if you really want to, answer my question without the attitude? | ||
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On February 10 2013 05:49 VisceraEyes wrote: I answered it in the post you quoted. Assuming Palmar is town, he kept it from the thread in an attempt to keep information from scum until after they've acted. In this way if they felt so inclined to risk putting one of their own up, they're more likely to do so. If they feel out of control of the even day lynch (such as if it were RNG'd as Palmar's plan suggests) then they're less likely to put one of their own up. With this field of nominees I reject Palmar's plan...as I feel like all of the nominees are likely town at this point and want to get rid of the most useless one...whcihever one that ends up being. For the record, the sarcasm was meant to be humorous, not inflammatory. The logic is pretty straight-forward in my opinion, I thought if I phrased it that way it would seem obvious and incite laughter. Clearly I was mistaken. Good day sir. But there are also advantages to saying it before the nomination phase. Scum are much less likely to put one of their own up if we're random lynching. Also, the plan can never work because random lynches never happen. Ever. You have never seen one and neither have I. The best thing we can do with it is threaten scum and argue about it for content. At least that's my opinion. | ||
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On February 10 2013 08:27 slOosh wrote: Oh yea, prplhz say something: Updated thoughts on phagga, VE and Snarfs please. I don't know about phagga. I see some of your points, others I don't but he's not my biggest concern right now. I reskimmed his filter though and saw that while he was advocating a lurker lynch early on, he opposed a Palmar lynch almost as the first one (I think yamato77 was earlier out with it but still). That's rather hypocritical and I don't like it. Good thing is that he found that old Palmar game, Death Note Mafia, where Palmar also flaked completely out as town and was lynched for being inactive as well. phagga wasn't in that game though so apparently he actually sat down and read Palmar's old games to find that, bonus points for effort. He's not my biggest concern right now but I didn't read his old games or anything. I'm still leaning scum on VisceraEyes and I don't really know about Snarfs either. On February 10 2013 09:28 Oatsmaster wrote: Prp, how hard is it to understand why Palmar didnt post his RNG lynch idea before the nomination? Also, who do you want to lynch tmr Prp? How do you expect me to answer that first question? I already stated why it's a useless idea to suggest random lynch after the nomination (because it's impossible to implement, case in point: right now, no one is pushing for it at all and it's been perfectly possible to implement it since Palmar suggested it) and that the most we could get out of it was to threaten scum with it (and make them nominate townies) and then just go about like we always do (bickering) when it's time to decide who to lynch. Apparently you don't agree (or didn't read) and you haven't explained your point of view so I don't know why you think you can take the intellectual high ground in an antagonizing way like that. If you think the plan is good then why are you not pushing for us to implement it? I'm leaning Palmar because I don't think he'll be able to conjure up any interest in the game now that we're several days in and he has hardly even read it and I don't want him to hang out and be an annoyance for the rest of the game. I don't know what he'll flip and I'm not interested, we'll find out soon enough. At least the other two guys appear still to be interested in this game. | ||
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On February 10 2013 21:57 Palmar wrote: Even if I do this, why is that a problem? I mean, if I come up with malicious advice then I agree that it would be a problem, but I don't, do I?[...] prplhz is another guy who is scum, this is why: He constantly advises people to do stuff, requests their opinions and puts forth very little concrete opinions himself. The last one really rubs me the wrong way, why is prplhz asking for "permission" to go after jaybrundage? If you think he's scum just go nail him. Also did you know prplhz completely disappeared during the night? ![]() Anyway, more later if I have time. On February 10 2013 22:39 Oatsmaster wrote: Prp is scummy, Prp says: I want to lynch Palmar cause I am irritated by him. What a shitty reason to vote for Palmar. Also, he still doesnt want to answer who he wants to lynch outside of the nomination people. No, it's not a shitty reason to vote Palmar. Which nominee do you want us to lynch and why? I'm not confident in any of the nominees being scum so I'm lynching the one I expect will cause the most disruption if he lives. Imagine Palmar lives, tomorrow he'll push either yamato77 or, more likely, me and I don't doubt that he'll succeed. I'll flip town and then where the fuck are you? Back at lynching Palmar again. Alternatively, his interest in this game disappears again and then his activity drops to abysmal levels. Back at lynching Palmar again. Of course, if I had a scum read in any of the other candidates I'd lynch them but that's simply not the case. Yea I didn't answer who I wanted to lynch outside of the nominees because we aren't lynching outside of the nominees right now. I'll answer you tomorrow, I don't think that's a big problem. One day, one lynch, today is today and tomorrow is tomorrow. | ||
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On February 11 2013 08:52 Oatsmaster wrote: I find it hard to believe that after 4 IRL days, prp has 1 tenuous scum read. And he has not pushed ANYBODY, just keeping in the background and trying to get away with it. His play is what I expect of scum or newbie town. Prp, are you newbie town? Also, Im sorry sloOsh, I dont really think you are scum, but I think Palmar is even less scummy. So, my vote is on you cause Mocsta has been actually playing the game. Bah. I find it hard to believe that you insist on purposely getting on my nerves all the fucking time yet here you are again. I guess I'll play along. You're a moron. | ||
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On February 11 2013 09:02 Mocsta wrote: prplhz Now that I know you're here. Not sure if you realise, but guys like me and I assume Oats etc, think the things above about you; simply because you're a vet. With that experience and reputation comes an expectation. Perhaps your town play in general is self-centered, but if you are town, we really need you to chip in more and provide your thoughts. You say you were against JX, fine, that either shows two things (1) Your scum and knew he was town OR (2) You're highly experienced, could see through the bullshit and made a right decision. I want to believe its (2), but the only way that can be confirmed is if you start sharing more of your insight. At the end of Day1, you were suspicious of Jay. I questioned him somewhat, and he was a bit more active early this nomination day. Is he still your top suspect to pursue come Day 3? There is no really any insight today. We're probably lynching into townies and I already said why I prefer that it be Palmar. I am just reading the game and filters but every time I F5 this thread Oatsmaster wrote some infuriatingly dumb bullshit and it's getting on my nerves real bad. At the same time it's impossible to have a conversation with him because he's just ignoring every thing I say. Expectations are dumb (and you wouldn't have any if you knew my reputation (inb4 someone says that that is a scum tell)). Just evaluate people on what they do in this game, good players can have off games and bad players can nail entire scum teams on d1. I've seen it happen. I think we should lynch Mr. Cheesecake tomorrow. Not that I am done with jaybrundage but I am getting more sure about Mr. Cheesecake. I don't really feel this phagga lynch. | ||
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On February 08 2013 07:38 prplhz wrote: @VisceraEyes Why are you so anxious to get rid of Palmar right now? No one said it could last forever. Why would we take the fact that he is Palmar away from the equation considering that .... he is Palmar? I didn't know Palmar's alignment here (and I don't know but I'm more sure now), he could be town or he could be scum. I knew about Death Note Mafia (I think, at least I know that it's not that much time ago Palmar was lynched as a townie for lurking too much, probably Death Note Mafia I knew about) but I also know that he doesn't particularly enjoy playing scum to playing town. What I do know is that is Palmar is town then he is someone scum would want to get rid of but in this game they can't get rid of him through night kills, they'll have to push his lynch. Yesterday was good for that because Palmar was not here and there was some support for a lurker lynch. You might say "Why didn't they just wait until today, now we're mostly lynching him on our own" but I don't think they wanted to take that risk, Palmar might come back and have their asses before today. VisceraEyes is a guy who can push a lynch on Palmar. Additionally, I think I also get what Snarfs and Palmar are talking about, VisceraEyes is slightly more benign and he's not taking charge even though he's really good at that. I think VisceraEyes pushed that lynch irrationally because he saw an opportunity to get rid of Palmar. It wasn't just the "lets forget who he is and just lynch him" thing, it was also a bunch of other things that made him seem "anxious" in an unsettling way. | ||
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I think we should lynch Mr. Cheesecake because I think he is scum. I read some of his earlier games and he seems to be posting a lot more impulsively in those games. He has a ton more one liners, even about important things. British Empire Mafia Witchcraft Mafia Examples include: Some from Witchcraft Mini Mafia: Here are some from his newbie mini games where he doesn't even bother to type anything, he doesn't even bother to explain himself, why would the other townies not intuitively see it from his point of view like he does? On December 05 2012 11:59 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: These examples are in no way exhaustive, you can check out the filters yourself. My point is that in those town games Mr. Cheesecake will sometimes read a post and then have a thought and then his fingers will just instantly type it out and press enter. No fear. There's none of that in this game. Very few one liners and mostly about some that has nothing to do with this game such as his work schedule or snow storm or whatever. Because he is scum he thinks more about his posts and that results in more consolidation than usual. Also how he reacts in face of accusations. Here is a quote from this game where I prod him. On February 08 2013 04:25 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Indeed it is. We're lynching JX today with anyway with or without my vote . Who the heck are you gonna vote prphlz? Here's very calm and collected here, first a little self deprecating, then he tries to downplay it and then he tries to redirect attention onto me. Contract these posts (including one from above) He can't even take it seriously. On January 06 2013 03:41 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I've done absolutely nothing? Watch your tongue, scumster, you've done nothing as well. Your vote is pretty lulzy considering I called you out on your attempted cheap shot at DP. Also, anything DP-Hapa related is completely independent of Xalatos. DP's 180s aren't the same as his by any means. In face of accusations in British Empire Mini Mafia he pretty much just says "get the fuck out" but his tone is remarkably different in these posts than in the post from this game. I really think that this guy is scum and I'd prefer if we lynched him today. ##Vote Mr. Cheesecake | ||
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On February 12 2013 04:33 slOosh wrote: Really ... nothing on VE huh ... I wrote something on VisceraEyes yesterday. I also think he's scum but I'm more sure of Mr. Cheesecake. | ||
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On February 12 2013 07:07 phagga wrote: Noted. I'd like to hear what others think about the points I brought up. I'm off to bed now. Didn't like the first, liked the second. | ||
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On April 13 2012 06:17 VisceraEyes wrote: ![]() Just in case you think his crazy can only be townie. I don't particularly care about this lynch though, Snarfs has been walking his dog for 24 hours and I know he gets stressed as scum. | ||
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On February 15 2013 00:21 phagga wrote: prplhz: What is your stance on Mr. Cheesecake now after yesterdays events? Also: There is no reason as a townie to ask for your mislynch, and you should know it. What the hell are you trying to achieve? I might be getting a little annoyed or bored with the game. It makes perfect sense that if they're lynching me regardless of your aligment, and lynching you based on my alignment, then they better lynch me first so they can make a more informed decision about you. Yes, I still want to lynch Mr. Cheesecake. I'm a bit more unsure of his alignment after his nomination but I don't think either slOosh or Mocsta are as likely to be scum. Trying to think through the nominations and we have tons of time. | ||
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On February 15 2013 00:55 phagga wrote: If you look at the nomination for D1, you see a lurking Palmar, a sloosh that just got heat for his low activity on the end of D1 and a Mocsta who has established himself as town. Therefor, if any of the three are mafia, Mocsta is your best bet, as the chances at start of D1 look pretty good for him. However, in that case the scum team would have known that sloosh and Palmar are town. They must have seen slooshs post that he will be more active D2 and prove that he is indeed town. Also, Palmar could come back any time, bring out his best play and rape the scum team (noone knew why he was lurking at that point). Do you really think that with this knowledge, the scum team would risk a player that has established himself successfully as town? I personally doubt it. Unless slOosh and Mocsta are both scum, but that doesn't make much sense either. I like this post. | ||
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On February 15 2013 08:20 slOosh wrote: jaybrundage brought up the same point and it's really dumb. If I had not written a case on Mr. Cheescake then I would not have pushed my biggest scum read and then you would have attacked me for not pushing my biggest scum read. You're putting me in a lose/lose situation and that's dumb. Using that logic, any player whose biggest scum read is outside of the discussed players is scum and that's obviously wrong. At the same time you're saying that I never believed that Mr. Cheesecake could be lynched which is also wrong. I was really hoping that case would get some more attention than it did but again I was pretty much ignored. Being ignored so much probably put a damper on my interest in this game.I don't get it. I thought Snarfs' case was good but I wasn't sure about his alignment. What's your point? Scum can make good cases, townies can make bad cases.[...] prplhz has not produced any meaningful content since the first cycle. He is very detached from the game and it is difficult to see any investment in his filter in trying to figure stuff out, or pushing for viable lynches. His cheesecake case came in at a time when the discussion is clearly centered VE vs Snarfs - it is totally detached from the game. Mr CC said that he found this a ballzy to make a case on someone who can't get lynched, but I'd repeat the same sentence with a different emphasis. Scum have plenty to gain by making a case on someone who can't get lynched, because they look like they are scumhunting but the backlash of a townie flip isn't there. You have posts like this where he likes Snarf's case but doesn't have any opinions on Snarfs himself (usually when you like a case someone else makes, you would have some degree of town tell on them wouldn't you?) I haven't bothered making a case because I would think it is painfully obvious by now, and it's disturbing why we haven't a spoken consensus to lynch him tomorrow. phagga also isn't scumhunting, but it isn't as blindingly obvious as the lurker prplhz. Look at his lines of questioning - they are painfully weak and it's not so much him trying to gather information to make conclusions, but just asking around. The two biggests reads he has had in the game, yamato and VE were dropped when town sentiments were different. He is go-with-the-flow blendy scum. | ||
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On February 15 2013 10:30 slOosh wrote: You're putting words in my mouth there prplhz. It's not the presence of your CC case that I have issue with but the lack of any meaningful insight into the current issue at hand that everyone was trying to figure out. I also never said that you didn't believe that CC could be lynched, I said that just because someone makes a case on someone who isn't likely to be lynched isn't that useful of a heuristic. In any case you clearly seem to have opinions / reads but don't seem to want to share /expound any of them. I'm willing to listen prplhz - who should we lynch tomorrow? Hmm okay. I guess didn't consider it a huge issue who to lynch of them, considering I'd rather lynch a third player. I guess that's something of a "solution" too, right? I don't know what you mean abuot "isn't likely to be lynched", as I recall I made the case rather early in the day so that we'd have plenty of time to discuss and change to him and I really believe in that case. If you don't think so, well then you are wrong. I don't really know. I just want to lynch Mr. Cheesecake today and I think it's completely insane to lynch Mocsta. He's arguably the player who has shown the most interest in this game so far. I guess you'll agree that lynching you is also subpar, mostly I think your switch yesterday looked crazy and I doubt it's something that scum would do. I'm running out of people to call scum and I guess that's why I'm also reconsidering yamato77. I don't really want to lynch Oatsmaster, Mocsta, Djodref, you, probably not yamato or jaybrundage or phagga. Guess that leaves me with VisceraEyes and Mr. Cheesecake but for some reason that doesn't seem all too right for a scum team. I mean there's one guy missing then. Maybe I have to totally reconsider the game but it's hard to conjure up the effort to do that when you are universally ignored and almost universally branded as scum. | ||
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On February 15 2013 11:25 Oatsmaster wrote: Its ok Prp, I dont think you are scum. Man what is your problem. | ||
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On February 16 2013 04:34 debears wrote: So you would believe that cc as supposed scum would push his scumbuddy day 1 on and then spearhead a bus lynch on snarfs over a lynch on yamato or someone else? Possibly. | ||
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On February 18 2013 08:49 yamato77 wrote: If that's true, it's highly disappointing. What are your reads right now? Well, prepare to be disappointed. At least you can say "But he was lurking!". | ||
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On February 18 2013 10:16 slOosh wrote: What is this votes on D2 you speak of? Snarfs lynch. | ||
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i should just have stuck with my guns with my cc case, i suspected ve and snarfs too but it just seemed too convenient. | ||
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On February 23 2013 11:26 VisceraEyes wrote: prplhz I hope I'm always scum when you're town. <3 ![]() | ||
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It's a lot worse to get mislynched on d3. | ||
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