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On February 14 2013 01:52 slOosh wrote:prplhz is the safest / best lynch for next cycle: you can read his filter and look at his interactions with Snarfs and VE, as well as the total apathy he had concerning the D3 lynch. phagga is still my top read - observe his vote switch behavior last night: Currently the votes are split between Snarfs and VE. At this point I'm still strongly voting VE and the only potential hint of my change is this post where I say I'm rereading. So, it looks like slOosh is probably gonna stick with VE. Votes are at 4-4 with prplhz voting CC. phagga comes in and waffles so I question his hesitation: Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 07:39 phagga wrote:On February 13 2013 07:34 slOosh wrote: phagga and prplhz, what the heck, how is choosing Snarfs vs VE so difficult for you guys when it is so obvious in your filters that you find indefinitely prefer VE over Snarfs? Dude, I might do the deciding vote here, I just want to be sure it's the right pick.That said, snarfs is a lurker, for whatever reason. VE had stuff in his play that just did not make any sense from a town perspective. Let's lynch VE. Ok. The highlighted line shows that he wants to be sure about this choice. Put some consideration into it y'know? ##Vote: VisceraEyes Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 07:55 phagga wrote: You know what, fuck it.
##unvote: VisceraEyes ##Vote: Snarfs
let's lynch the scummy lurker. Well, so much for careful consideration. He calls Snarfs a lurker in the first quote. Somehow in a span of ~15 minutes Snarf's lurking has become scummy and more deserving of a lynch against someone who "had stuff in his play that just did not make any sense from a town perspective." Not only that, it isn't because he reviewed his notes as he explains later - the 2nd quote is straight up YOLO. There's a mismatch in attitude consistency. A "go with the flow" mentality.
You are completely ignoring that I wrote here that snarfs is an alternative for me. It is simply not true that I changed my read on snarfs from null to red in 15 minutes, I was already considering him as an alternative earlier. And yes, it was a go with the flow decision, but one between two people that I considered scum at some point on D3.[/quote]
Your case is still as bad as it was before. I have told you that I had other town games where I did not post a single post like the one you quoted and was still town. Only because I may be capable of such posts does not mean I have done them in every town game. So all you are saying is that I am playing worse D1 than in Wheel of fortune. That does not make me scum. And the last point has been refuted.
Should still lynch prplhz first. Then when prplhz flips scum I'll come, point at prplhz's filter and say "aha!" then we can lynch phagga. Can't do that with Snarfs' filter cause he barely mentions him - Coinky dink? Maybe. But add enough of them and the more straightforward answer is that he is scum.
If I am your top scumread, then why don't you want to lynch me first? Even more, how is prplhz a better/safer lynch when I am your top scum read?
Mocsta, Sloosh: Do you guys see the possibility that Cheese did indeed bus snarfs, but that VE is actually town? Why/why not?
VE: What is your read on sloosh is, currently.
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prplhz: What is your stance on Mr. Cheesecake now after yesterdays events?
Also:
On February 14 2013 04:03 prplhz wrote: My apathy concerning D3 lynch was because my case was ignored and the two people up for lynch were almost just as scummy as each other in my opinion. If you're gonna lynch phagga because I'm scum then you should really lynch me first so that you can reconsider phagga in the light of my flip.
There is no reason as a townie to ask for your mislynch, and you should know it. What the hell are you trying to achieve?
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If you look at the nomination for D1, you see a lurking Palmar, a sloosh that just got heat for his low activity on the end of D1 and a Mocsta who has established himself as town. Therefor, if any of the three are mafia, Mocsta is your best bet, as the chances at start of D1 look pretty good for him. However, in that case the scum team would have known that sloosh and Palmar are town. They must have seen slooshs post that he will be more active D2 and prove that he is indeed town. Also, Palmar could come back any time, bring out his best play and rape the scum team (noone knew why he was lurking at that point). Do you really think that with this knowledge, the scum team would risk a player that has established himself successfully as town?
I personally doubt it.
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In that context, I would actually deem Mocstas scenario more likely, at least that Cheese was scum trying to ride in the town cred for a lurking snarfs. And I disagree with VE here, if you are able to give a scum player enough town cred, he will be able to slide through with a lot of crap. Best example is Chrono Trigger, where TheChronicler/Risen was scum, sacrificed Toad and then went undetected until the end of the game although his play was VERY scummy towards the end. But noone picked up on it because he was there were other scummy players noone bothered to properly analyse his play.
So, yes, I think there is a (small) possibility that cheese is indeed scum, and that scum took the risk of prolonging the game, so they could give one of their teammates more town cred.
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EBWOP But noone picked up on it because he was there were other scummy players noone bothered to properly analyse his play.
is supposed to say:
But noone picked up on it because there were other scummy players, and noone bothered to properly analyse his play.
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On February 14 2013 19:34 Oatsmaster wrote:I think slOosh is scum because Show nested quote +So I instead choose to focus on someone like phagga, on whom no one has commented on. He says, I am so helpful to town guys. This rubs me as scummy because town doesnt care about how well they are playing, just care about finding and lynching scum. Show nested quote +Let's be clear with our language. I never called Phagga scum. Just because I'm interested in a person doesn't mean I think they are scum. Show nested quote + Additionally, be clear with your language. I don't mind you saying "I want to see more", but don't say "start contributing" as if I haven't done anything. Cause that's total b.s.
He is really concerned about people misinterpreting his words, in other words, It means that he wants to look really townie. Only scum care about looking townie. I disagree. I sometimes feel the same in the beginning of games (see Cheeses case on me). People have the habit to try to lynch you for miniscule stuff D1, which makes me super worried when I see someone misinterpreting my stuff. I don't think that only scum reacts this way. Show nested quote + I have almost no doubt I'll be up for nomination tomorrow so I'm going to sit on my reads until dawn. Because I'm definite that scum will always put 3 townies up - they won't bother risking putting one of their own into the group unless it is certain that someone else will get lynched. And right now, it doesn't look like that's gonna happen.
Show nested quote + I assume I'll get put up because I tend to get shot N1 and I guess it's just ingrained into me that scum want me gone soon and fast. They way he is so sure that he will be picked d2 as one of the nomination candidates is really odd. Especially since he justifies it as 'I always die n1, so scum want me gone soon and fast' when if he plays good enough to get shot n1, he is never gonna get lynch d2, no matter who is up with him. The fact that he will not get lynched D2 when he plays strongly is no reason for scum to not put him up for lynch. After all sloosh is known to be a strong town leader, and scum wants to get rid of those, so they put up players that are either a danger to them (because of their reputation) or are looking very townie. If sloosh knows that he can be a good town player (and I'm sure he does), then it is absolutely ok to anticipate his nomination.
Show nested quote +If you familiarize yourself with his meta (nicely displayed in his profile and devoid of any scum games), it becomes clearer that he is new scum whose play pales to his town play. - in this game phagga writes timidly, fluffily and without conclusions - town phagga is capable of decent analysis, or at least confidence and clarity in his posts And a quick summary which basically states the description of a town and a scum. No links where phagga is doing the thing he says. This at best is lazy, and at worst is slOosh trying to mislead us with a post that looks good with no substance. I agree that the case is bad Show nested quote +Guys, there's nothing to speculate, either now or at morning. I've already outlined the optimal scum strategy and how I propose we counter it. slOosh says, 'Shut up, I have described the situation so I can explain why I have been chosen tomorrow. Now, dont talk so scum has an advantage due to the lack of information town has.' The quote is from here and it is indeed interesting. He thinks he has found the perfect scum strategy, therefor he tries to shut the discussion down. What is the town motivation here? After all, if other people offer their opinions on how scum might nominate people, would town not benefit from it?
He posts the phagga case and just keeps asking people to read and opinions. This is to see if he should push the phagga lynch tomorrow. town repeatedly ask other peoples about their opinions on their cases, don't think that's a scum tell.Show nested quote +Hey Palmar, I think we need to seriously discuss VE today, because I'm seeing some clear mafia agenda here, and little blips elsewhere. He says this, but never fully explains why VE is scum, just snipes at him and basically asks Palmar to make his case for him. Show nested quote +Oats, get off Jay. Seriously. Vote counts are extremely helpful and it's not like it's the only thing that Jay contributed. Random defense of Jay for basically slight pressure. Scum want to defend someone so that they can buddy them subtly by 'helping' them. I disagree. Jay making vote counts WAS extremely helpful, and it's ok as long as everyone remembers that it is NOT alignement indicative to make them. I thought unnecessary to call him out for those the way you did.
Show nested quote + VE, I apologize to you first. I was so immersed in my phagga case and was so disturbed that you totally dismissed it. You are correct in that you have been on Snarfs & prplhz from the beginning. I admit it - I can't read, which led to my misinterpretation of you and then vice versa the cycle. (similar thing happened in ... that WBG game where we nailed scum 3 days in a row ... not that it's relevant but whatever).
Mr. Cheesecake, you are a boss. I am wrong and you are right and I'm sheeping you all game because I am not as good as I thought I was. I rescind my town read on jay and my scum read on Oats. Too good. MVP right here.
Really weird post where he says, 'I am bad and you guys are totally better at the game as me' Town wouldnt want to say that because no one will take his reads seriously anymore. Scum would because they seem apologetic and cooperative. So much buddying of CC here. Show nested quote +Eh ... I guess I still have a lot of confirmation bias to deal with.
Phagga smelt like scum and I didn't like that you waived it, but that's probably because I didn't address your Snarfs case first (I guess I missed it or thought Snarfs was right at the time or something).
Also apologies to Oats. You are not daft, I just can't see scum that well.
Ahh ... what a game to go down into the annals of TL Mafia~
Keeps going with the self-depreciating attitude, and tries to buddy me too. Show nested quote +Yea ... and not to bias you or anything but I really dig Mr. Cheesecakes' scum team. You can see how they interact with each other. Not that it's valid until you get some flips going, but at this point I've invested enough time into the game for it to click in my head. Oh, and I also could be wrong, so ... yea. Rereading is great!
Show nested quote +Oh, yea I suppose. It would be very foolish and humiliating to start celebrations and then end up losing because of arrogance. Excited to do this with you guys. I guess I'll do some homework now and come back at the deadline.
Again, 2 really cooperative and 'helpful' posts. And again self-depreciating Yes, these posts irritated me to. It kinda seemed like he felt caught and tried to look better by apologizing. Specially the "MVP right there" to Mr. Cheesecake was waaaaaaaay over the top. Cheese has gotten one Scum so far of four, and the game is still going. Show nested quote +The best piece of information from this is understanding how D3 played out and people should check that out.
At this point, I would assume that slOosh has really strong reads. my own reads got really mixed up by last nights events, and I had/have to reread some stuff myself. I can agree with his quote.
prplhz is the safest / best lynch for next cycle: you can read his filter and look at his interactions with Snarfs and VE, as well as the total apathy he had concerning the D3 lynch.
And a totally lazy case which he does NOT back up at all with anything, and in fact Pushes phagga as an association case. I saw scum doing this too. [/QUOTE]
Yeah, I mentioned that in my post to sloosh as well.
There are some good points in your case, I would really like to hear slooshs answer.
And with this I'm off to the train. Will probably be online again tomorrow as I wrote earlier.
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On February 13 2013 20:31 Oatsmaster wrote: Of course, cause there is no way scum would switch their vote when he feels that it is suspicious if he keeps going for it, and since there is no traction for the other lynch.
So Phagga, who is scum? Sorry, forgot about that one. Djo and Jay for now.
Jay: there is stuff in his play that does not make any sense. See Palmar lynch for an example.
I had a scum read on Djo earlier, will be interested to see what debears does. He has around another 48 hours to show me that I might be wrong.
earlier reads: Yamato: he looks townie at times, scummy at others. I feel unsure about him.
VE: I took the time to reread his stuff, and I do no longer feel confident lynching him.
Regarding the current nominees. I think the probability that one of them is scum is rather low. So it will mostly be who I think has made the most useful analysis so far. I will be back with more tomorrow.
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On February 15 2013 13:57 slOosh wrote: Alright, Friday / weekends tend to escape me (a la last week) so I want to do this just in case I can't make it until deadline.
I think all the nominees are town. I really do. I'll be defending whoever is alive out of us for tomorrow unless there is a reasonable body of evidence. And no, "that would be a sick scum play" is not a good reason, because possibility =/= reality. If it is what people are speculating it is, there should be evidence for it beyond "these things fit in nicely", because "they are actually town, you are being paranoid and scum is elsewhere" fits just as well, if not better. So less speculating, more research, more evidence, more cases.
That said, as much as it sucks, I'm going to vote off Mocsta again. It sucks because he is putting in lots of effort etc. I'm voting him because if he is alive tomorrow, I find him to be a highly potential mislynch candidate (much more so than Mr. Cheesecake), so it's better to "use him up" during these even cycles when a townie has to die.
##Vote: Mocsta
prplhz, could I have a bit more detailed explanation on your townish read on phagga?
WHAT? There are several people who have me, prplhz and jay as solid scumreads, and you are worried that Mocsta will be misslynched? What's the basis for this?
On February 14 2013 23:48 phagga wrote: Mocsta, Sloosh: Do you guys see the possibility that Cheese did indeed bus snarfs, but that VE is actually town? Why/why not?
VE: What is your read on sloosh is, currently.
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Guys, I got an even better idea, Let's actually read Palmars post before we blindly sheep him :D
On February 10 2013 21:57 Palmar wrote: I think you guys should lynch a few people, but should I flip I want you guys to not forget that however good you think my scumreads are, any mediocre player with updated reads is more valuable than a dead great player with his old reads. Not to mention I'm not invested far enough into this game to actually consider my reads worth too much.
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On February 15 2013 08:20 slOosh wrote: phagga also isn't scumhunting, but it isn't as blindingly obvious as the lurker prplhz. Look at his lines of questioning - they are painfully weak and it's not so much him trying to gather information to make conclusions, but just asking around. The two biggests reads he has had in the game, yamato and VE were dropped when town sentiments were different. He is go-with-the-flow blendy scum.
My reads changed when Yamato and VE started to make more sense. I had my vote on Yamato and asked him several times to answer my questions, when he did he actually did it in a convincing manner. That is why I took my vote off him. I also asked VE several times to answer my questions, until I not only got his answer, but also more posts from him that made me doubt my scum read on him.
seriously, this is joke. I was accused that me staying on JX and barely interacting with him D1 was scummy, and now I am getting accused for being scummy after changing my vote/read after interacting with Yamato.
I clearly pointed out which lines of Yamato made me unvote, go back and read it. Do you think that my reasoning is weak, or what is your problem with it?
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As I stated earlier I think all nominees are probably town. Therefore I went through their filters with an emphasis on how their analysis/posts benefits town.
Mocsta: He was annoyed by oats after their banter, but reads him as null/leaning town. He gives his own thoughts on many things. Nice analysis of Yamatos cases on Mocsta and me. Is unable to see that he was responsible for the escalation with Oats in the beginning too. His playthrough of the different Oats/Mocsta possibilities is biased and weak. I Like the short analysis on Jay D1, and good follow-up. He says he was dissapointed that sloosh did not contribute more during D2. He has less analysis later on, but is still pointing out stuff and giving his thoughts on things freely. Finally, I agree with his analysis on sloosh.
Mr. Cheesecake: His early analysis on snarfs, me and djo is ok. Lots of interactions with many people. Does not have a lot of big analysis on D1, but he points out many small things. Good analysis on Yamato. Good analysis on snarfs before the lynch. In his case on me he interpretes stuff I said differently than I meant it (see my earlier defense), but his case is better than the one from sloosh.
Sloosh: He has a good analysis of yamato in the beginning, and good analysis of the nomination process. Although I do not like that he shut down the discussion about it. Bad case on me. His pushing of VE was ok, later votes him. Says in this post that he is not as confident in his reads as he usually is. I already said why I don't like his latest post on me, and also pointed out that I think his logic for a Mocsta misslynch tomorrow is fail.
From this it is clear for me that Mr. Cheesecake will not get my vote. I also feel that Mocsta's posts are more helpful to town then sloosh's.
Therefore,
##Vote: Sloosh
I'm on the train. Weekend starts, which is mainly family time.
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Ok, I'm back.
On February 16 2013 14:34 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2013 13:17 Oatsmaster wrote: Jay, You are one of the biggest offenders of the LURKZONE What do you think about my slOosh case, slOosh's phagga case, and phagga's response to my case on slOosh? I think Sloosh is town. Mocsta flipping should make that clear. Scum nominated three towneis day one. I wish everyone else caught on this fact sooner. And didn't lynch Mocsta. This is why i preferred killing CC yesterday Because he wasn't in that initial group. I think phagga has a good chance to flip red. Also I think Debears is a candidate for a lynch as well.
You completely dodged Oats question. What do you think on Oats case on slooshs? What on sloosh's and my response?
I will be on and off for the 10-12 hours. I will write up a post about my thoughts on Ve and around the snarfs lynch, hoping to give you guys a better insight on what was going on in my head.
will also do some rereading and comment on a few more things.
Finally, prplhz activity has dropped so hard by now it's no longer funny. His early play looked ok, but his low activity and interest for the last 5 days smell like scum prplhz.
##Vote: prplzh
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You gave reasons for lynching jaybrundage like 6 days ago. Can you give us an updated read on jay and why you think he should be lynched?
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Also, your post reads like: "Look guys, I might look scummy, but VE looks scummy too! How about we just lynch someone that I called scum 6 days ago?"
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Explanation of my vote switch from VE to snarfs:
Towards the End of D1 I read through VE's filter and found this hole in his reasonig regarding the Palmar vote. I asked him several questions. However, he did not answer the last one. Instead, I saw this post of Mocsta (and his follow-up) and prplhz vote on VE. However, I was by far not feeling save enough about my read on VE to actually lynch him. VE had pointed out stuff about palmar that I thought were good, so I was really undecided on him. I wrote this:
On February 08 2013 09:25 phagga wrote: I am confident in my vote on JX and will not shift away from it, just to make this clear.
On February 08 2013 09:52 phagga wrote: k, so looks like I'm not gonna get an answer from VE in the next few minutes. I'm off to bed, it's almost 2 am here. A couple of things:
- VE is not a good lynch today, i do not agree with prplhz there. - I am warming up to a Palmar lynch, because VE's point about his behaviour (voting prplhz, trying to shift votes away from JX) are pretty solid. Nevertheless, it's JX today,
let's see him flip red.
I really did not want to lynch VE at this point, all I wanted were answers to my question to get a better read on him. However, I feared that a wagon might pop up on VE once I was gone, so I wanted to make it clear that I would not support a lynch on him currently.
VE failed to answer my question for a longer time to my satisfaction, and so I finally made a case on him. At that point I had my vote on Yamato, who I felt more sure that he was scum. The case on VE should mostly be generate pressure on him (he had ignored me a few times when asking for answers), and hopefully get some more insight in his alignement. he then finally answered. The answer would explain his behaviour, although it could have also been a lie to straight up cover that he was just scum losing track of what he had done earlier. Ve then followed up with a few posts that made me feel even more unsure about my scum read.
Next followed Cheese's case on snarfs. I answered that there were a few minor points that I disagreed, but that I generally liked the case and that cheese's case make snarfs an alternative to vote. I also wrote that I would prefer Yamato over snarfs. I left out VE on purpose, because I had started to feel unsure about him.
Yamato answered my questions in a way that convinced me that he was the wrong guy to lynch. Now i was sitting on the fence on who to vote. I realized at that point that my vote might be deciding, so got I got scared to vote the wrong guy. I had no clear preference anymore, cheese's case on snarfs made sense. I had my own doubts on VE still. So who do I pick? I tried to get more input from others:
On February 13 2013 07:24 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 07:19 slOosh wrote: You do it by detailing why you have such a strong town read on VE and have been soft defending him all game despite numerous instances where you agree that he is weird.
Sloosh, since your vote is on VE: do you think snarfs is not scum or VE is the better lynch?
On February 13 2013 07:37 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 07:32 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Mocsta, I at least think you have some reason here. What say you to snarfs lynch?
I have no idea what the scum rationale is supposed to be for this supposed mislynch anyway. Scum would have bussed VE so fucking hard, hit there heads on the ground doing so.
Why would they buss VE harder when he is scum then when he is town?
(I realise that the above was a dumb question, but I was so worked up at that point I could barely think straight)
Then jay and Sloosh started to pressure me because I had a case on VE and none on snarfs:
On February 13 2013 07:28 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 07:24 phagga wrote:On February 13 2013 07:19 slOosh wrote: You do it by detailing why you have such a strong town read on VE and have been soft defending him all game despite numerous instances where you agree that he is weird.
Sloosh, since your vote is on VE: do you think snarfs is not scum or VE is the better lynch? I think VE is scum for sure. We need you on this lynch to kill him. He has been soft defended by numerous players. Because hes scum and they don't want him to die. I don't think Snarfs is scum Because currently the people on him are on my scum list. And the people on VE are on my town list. Also VE has done alot of scummy things. Phagga you wrote a big case on VE before. I'm surprised that you have any doubts about VE
On February 13 2013 07:34 slOosh wrote: phagga and prplhz, what the heck, how is choosing Snarfs vs VE so difficult for you guys when it is so obvious in your filters that you find indefinitely prefer VE over Snarfs?
On February 13 2013 07:36 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 07:34 slOosh wrote: phagga and prplhz, what the heck, how is choosing Snarfs vs VE so difficult for you guys when it is so obvious in your filters that you find indefinitely prefer VE over Snarfs? Yea I find it this interesting as well. Phagga legit wrote a big case on VE. And know that VE isn't getting lynched he's hesitating
At that point I pretty much crumbled. I thought "yeah, they are right, I had a case on VE, let's lynch him".
On February 13 2013 07:39 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 07:34 slOosh wrote: phagga and prplhz, what the heck, how is choosing Snarfs vs VE so difficult for you guys when it is so obvious in your filters that you find indefinitely prefer VE over Snarfs? Dude, I might do the deciding vote here, I just want to be sure it's the right pick. That said, snarfs is a lurker, for whatever reason. VE had stuff in his play that just did not make any sense from a town perspective. Let's lynch VE. ##Vote: VisceraEyes
The problem was: I had a really bad feeling about it. I went back and checked Cheeses case. I saw him pushing the snarfs lynch hard in the thread. I remembered that I was not that confident in VE being scum. And then I thought: "I have to lynch the guy who I think has the highest probability to flip scum".
Which led to the vote switch.
On February 13 2013 07:55 phagga wrote: You know what, fuck it.
##unvote: VisceraEyes ##Vote: Snarfs
let's lynch the scummy lurker.
I was still unsure after the vote switch, until I took a break and walked away from the comp and went outside for some fresh air. After coming back, I was sure I did the right thing and left my vote on snarfs.
Regarding sloosh's Unvote: I read pretty fast over that post (or most posts, at that point) and did not realise that he had actually unvoted snarfs again. I thought his vote was already on snarfs. (as I said, I could not think straight anymore). I did not conciously decide to sheep him or anything, although I can't rule out that this subconciously influenced me on my decision (I did have a town read on sloosh).
I was aware on how the vote switch would look. I knew I would get heat for it later on, but I did not care. All I ask every single one of you who want to vote me / is voting me: Consider if the vote switch cannot be town motivated. If you really think that a townie would never do what I did the way I did it, then well, leave your vote on me. If you do see a likely town motivation behind my vote switch, then I hope you have more reasons to vote me, since that switch alone is not alignement indicative.
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Because it's a topic that is still being discussed, and several people seem to base their read on me at least partially on that vote switch. I wanted to lay out my thoughts and feelings and try to show my point of view. Hopefully I can convince other townies that I am not scum to prevent a mislynch on me.
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On February 18 2013 00:57 debears wrote:Show nested quote +On February 18 2013 00:29 phagga wrote: Because it's a topic that is still being discussed, and several people seem to base their read on me at least partially on that vote switch. I wanted to lay out my thoughts and feelings and try to show my point of view. Hopefully I can convince other townies that I am not scum to prevent a mislynch on me. What is your read on jay? Why vote prp over jay? I'd say both of them are quite more likely to flip scum than you, especially jay.
I earlier wrote earlier that you and jay are my current lynch candidates. I wrote that because I looked at the player list and crossed out who I do not want to lynch, and you two were left over. However, your analysis of the game so far puts me on null for you. Jay is still a candidate though.
The reason my vote is on prplhz is because I want to see more from him. He has been giving us nothing for a long period of time. However, I thought his early play was ok, so I am a bit surprised that he falls off so hard now. So let's see if he can actually come up with some more content to allow us a better read on him.
I read your posts on jay. I've written earlier that I thought his behaviour around palmars lynch was barely town motivated, I agree with your analysis on this topic. The really strong part however was your post on his behaviour around the snarfs lynch. I did Ctrl+F his filter for snarfs, and there is really no analysis from his side why Snarfs should not be lynched. Instead he was almost begging people to switch to VE without giving reasons.
I also thought this post to be very strange:
On February 13 2013 11:21 jaybrundage wrote: Wow did not see that coming. Snarf's complete lack of input this game really made me think he was just a silent townie.
Glad you guys saw who was scum better then I did. Great job town
The overall tone of this post is buddying. The second sentence does not make any sense. So if someone is not saying a single word the whole game he is probably a silent townie? How can he see a townie motivation in not saying anything? Silence of a player is in the best case a null tell, in the worst case a mafia tell.
The post feels so fabricated, I always expect a "/sarcasm"-tag at the end. I really have a hard time to believe that someone who is genuinely surprised by the outcome of that lynch would react that way. Add this to the analysis you posted, and I feel confident that jay will flip red.
TL;DR, I support a lynch on prplhz and jay.
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On February 17 2013 14:58 Oatsmaster wrote: Well yamato, dick play isnt good play.
Anyway, answer the OTHER QUESTION.
I have a null read on VE and slOosh.
The thing is, they should be doing so much more than they are currently doing. They have no fear of nightkills so WHY arent they being ultra mega useful to town?
Regarding Sloosh, I really think he is having a bad game. When looking through his filter I don't get the sense that he is pushing a mafia agenda, but I disagree with almost everything he writes by now.
Regarding VE it's a bit trickier. I found his case on Mocsta bad, as was the case on sloosh. However, he has been on snarfs early on. Also, he gave Yamato a gleaming green read at a point where he could have pushed for a lynch on Yamato (3 votes on Yamato at the time of that post, 2 on VE, 2 on snarfs). His activity has dropped of sharp for the last few days, but the few posts he has actually have some content (in contrast to prplhz, for example)
I feel that sloosh and VE are townies who are having a bad game.
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Debears & cheesecake, do I understand you right that you have some doubts regarding prplhz?
Hey VE: Any updates on your reads?
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blah, nothing going on here, I'm off to bed.
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