Nomination Mafia

On February 03 2013 08:16 Dandel Ion wrote:
Not even if it's an explosion... of FLOWERS?

+ Show Spoiler +

On February 05 2013 13:29 Promethelax wrote:
its disgusting how hard it is to resist going in on this, but I will remain strong. Good luck have fun!

On February 06 2013 20:11 Djodref wrote:


This post was the 1131th post from Oast. I propose to use this number as the number to get our lynch candidate for today ! I'm going to give numbers from 0 to 11 to the players after me in the filter list and calculate 1131 modulo 12 which gives 3.
This random lynch on Oastmaster has one chance over three to hit scum which is better than the average scum lynch on d1.

So I propose a random lynch on Oast. I'm pretty sure I'm going to generate discussion.

## Vote Oats

On February 06 2013 20:46 Djodref wrote:
And to answer your question, I did not say that you did exactly what you did in your last scum game. But while reading, I also thought about this game before Oats brought it up in the thread.
So, yeah, I'm suspicious of you but not enough to drop my random lynch on Oats ^^

On February 06 2013 21:12 Djodref wrote:


I'd like to answer this question after I get the input from other players if you don't mind.
I also would like Palmar to weight in on the random lynch thing ^^

How sure are you that Mocsta is scum by the way ?
What is the most definite case you can bring against him ?

On February 07 2013 09:56 Oatsmaster wrote:
Chill out guys, I think he is scum.
I also agree with Djo, Snarf is waffly as shit.
I wanna see more from sloosh though

On February 07 2013 11:10 Djodref wrote:


@ jay

I didn't disappear, I was just sleeping
Tell me what do you think of my latest post. Also don't you think that Palmar has also been useless so far ? Why don't you include him on your "to do lynch list" ?

On February 07 2013 12:42 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Djo,

Seriously what were you thinking going for a random lynch? Was it your intention to actually random lynch some guy, generate discussion, draw out scum, yadda yadda? It irks me because I've never seen you (or anyone) have the balls to suggest doing it.

On February 07 2013 12:38 Djodref wrote:


Okay, let me explain to you clearly once again, because either you don't understand the case I'm trying to convey, either you are doing this on purpose.
Let's imagine that you are town and Oats is scum. You should never tell him, "oh, by the way, you are mimicking your scum post structure" if you don't attack him for this. What if Oats is scum ? He can correct himself without being really called for it. So either your early post concerning Oats were attacks against him that you don't want to take the responsibility for (what I'm thinking and that would be coming from scum Mocsta), either it was some way for you to start a flame war with Oats and make the thread unreadable (also coming from scum Mocsta) or either it is a very poor way of playing town.
And I'm not trying to divert anything from anything, my main concerns right now are Palmar and you.

On February 07 2013 13:12 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
lol jay i barely read dessert, just did the sexy flavor.

Oh Yamato and that list post. Palmar should be null imo

On February 06 2013 20:11 Djodref wrote:


This post was the 1131th post from Oast. I propose to use this number as the number to get our lynch candidate for today ! I'm going to give numbers from 0 to 11 to the players after me in the filter list and calculate 1131 modulo 12 which gives 3.
This random lynch on Oastmaster has one chance over three to hit scum which is better than the average scum lynch on d1.

So I propose a random lynch on Oast. I'm pretty sure I'm going to generate discussion.

## Vote Oats

Mocsta said
Oats town, Mocsta scum: This is the situation in Newbie 35; and is the meta argument both Oats and Yamato presented. This has been refuted by myself already, in addition to several others who (I assume) are not aware of my meta. It is clear my tone in addressing Oats is not with the intention to flame. This is refuted.

On February 07 2013 13:53 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm back and reading. Are we lynching Palmar yet?

On February 08 2013 05:18 Palmar wrote:
Again I can't help too much this phase.

I'm not plugged well enough into the game to be willing to hard defend JX, but what little reading I've done doesn't seem to indicate he's scum. I would hope you guys can settle for an alternative lynch.

On February 08 2013 07:06 VisceraEyes wrote:
I didn't read Death Note. Tell me this: what motivation is more likely for a player who "isn't invested in the game" to come in and, while he doesn't have input on who we should lynch, tries to put the lynch off of the present candidate AFTER they've reached majority? Town or scum? Just remove the fact that it's Palmar from the equation, you'll come to the same conclusion I do.

On February 08 2013 10:04 Mocsta wrote:
I have some problems with quite a few ppl

including Djo lack of contributions for 24hrs
sl0osh looking like he getting modkilled
&
jay started off well, but since has provided nothing new; when i think much has occured in the thread; im starting to see the elusiveness prplhz/Mr.CC were talking about.

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but this is all day2 discussion.

see you at the deadline

On February 08 2013 13:29 Mocsta wrote:
I have had a re-read of Vers guide, and starting to look for specific things in play.

Jay, you are pinging the shit out of my scum-dar.
In a nutshell your filter contains
- No useful contributions, other than you following a curiosity on RNG (which was never taking off)
- You were a proponent of bringing back into the limelight my comments to Oats, when i already gave my 2cents.
- You admit to having no contributions to add to town (as your explanation on the lack of posts)
- You was the first people to lead the JX lynch; before anything was concrete
And to top it off
- Your last post reads as if you dont give a shit a townie just flipped. You instantly move on, thinking about scum nominations already. Its like you fucked him in a one night stand and then kicked him out and didnt even call a taxi.

Even when prplhz is questioning you; you respond meekly, I believe with the intention to be ignored.
It worked.
Whilst this occured you were subtly asking everyone to consolidate on JX; but never contributed with serious thought on why he was the best candidate. This reeks to manipulation and scum play.
Scummy townies often say things that are so stupid/wrong its easy to think they are trying to mislead as town.
Your filter shows no signs of unintentional misleading, rather, when pressuring Jay you are EXTREMELY specific.

Thus, for me, I see intentional play to drive your agenda:
i.e.push JX as lynch candidate and remain low by making calculated decisions to show interest and responding methodically to blend in.

@all
Please share your thoughts on the above; do you see JayBrundage play as a bad townie?

On February 08 2013 15:23 yamato77 wrote:
Seems Sloosh agrees with me, good stuff.

Let's all afk until the day post and leave mafia to ruminate in silence.

On February 08 2013 15:57 yamato77 wrote:
Discussion about reads actually hurts town right now, don't you understand that?

If you're just dying to know what I think, sit on this:

Why are you so concerned with what I'm doing with my reads when you don't have any to talk about?

There's plenty of information on the table to make some decent reads right now. The fact that you have none, not even a town read, is disturbing.

On February 08 2013 23:43 Mocsta wrote:
hmm. to be frank
i havent made up my mind with you, im trying to read your town games to see why you said your a scummy-town.

I just wanted feedback on my points.

On February 08 2013 23:50 Mocsta wrote:
I still need to read the games to get a feel, but noted you're making a conscious shift.

Theory craft
With JX 3 things happened
(1) People called him scummy
(2) People defended him as lynch bait
(3) People did not comment.

If we were going to narrow down scum candidates by whether they did 1,2 or 3; which category do you think will have the highest chance of finding a scum?

On February 10 2013 06:26 VisceraEyes wrote:


Yeah okay, I missed that part about phagga. Then yeah, we're both in agreement.

I'm not sure I agree where phagga is concerned, but we'll deal with that tomorrow. Today I'd like more input from the lynch candidates and everyone's thoughts on who they want to lynch today.

On February 10 2013 06:47 VisceraEyes wrote:
I wanted to discuss it with CHEESE tomorrow slOosh. I'm perfectly willing to discuss him with you today. -.-

On February 10 2013 06:56 VisceraEyes wrote:
That is, unless you just wanna talk to Palmar about it. I'll gladly just let you twist my intentions and lynch you for it later. <3

On February 10 2013 12:48 Mocsta wrote:


Are you preferring VE over phagga, (i.e is VE your best scum read)

or just raising interest in general?

On February 11 2013 10:33 Mocsta wrote:
Well jay, sorry to say this, but im pretty sure that vote change is after the deadline.

will see what mr. mod says.

luckily you voted before, otherwise may have been modkillable.

On February 11 2013 11:52 Mocsta wrote:
im still keen to vote phagga; and I still dont like his response(s) to the scum slip catch. I still think it was genuine as per
(scum slip written on phone)

However, there is so much doubt in the thread with yamato currently, which is the main reason I am holding back voting phagga. I am waiting for his response to what has been highlighted as issues.


With Jay; thats a hard one. I cant guage if its just a guy pissed off; or a guy looking for town cred.
Im leaning towards guy pissed off due to:

He wanted Palmar in from the start of the nomination; just wanted from him more effort.

I dont have a problem he voted me; I said from the start, if palmar and sl0osh could promise motivation/activity, then I would be happy to be voted off.

Jay thought palmar promised more; i dont think he did. Prob comes down to that.

On February 10 2013 21:57 Palmar wrote:
I think you guys should lynch a few people, but should I flip I want you guys to not forget that however good you think my scumreads are, any mediocre player with updated reads is more valuable than a dead great player with his old reads. Not to mention I'm not invested far enough into this game to actually consider my reads worth too much.

Anyway, I think yamato, prplhz, snarfs, phagga, visceraeyes and cheesecake should be in the initial round of scum. I guess VE should not be strongly considered in this group unless I'm wrong about prplhz, but who knows.


I'm fairly certain 2-4 of those players are scum. This leaves the group of me, mochsta, JX, oat, jay, djodref and sloosh as most likely 5-7 townies. jay and djodref are the ones I like the least.

I'm not going to bother you guys with detailed PR cases (that's what I really call them, I actually write cases to convince town, not to prove people are mafia). I'm just going to pick out scum and tell you why in short.

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Yamato is most likely scum. He basically seems to be picking a target that looks like it could die and then going for him. The giveaway part for me is how he's pushing his reads. Notice how often he seems to be looking for reasons to lynch people instead of looking for people who are scum:



It's quite interesting yamato77 already made it quite clear what he was going to do when JX predictably flipped town:



And again with the "let's get everyone working together to lynch someone, not necessarily scum, just a lynch. To be fair he seems to think we're all town, but whatever.

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prplhz is another guy who is scum, this is why:

He constantly advises people to do stuff, requests their opinions and puts forth very little concrete opinions himself.

Examples:








The last one really rubs me the wrong way, why is prplhz asking for "permission" to go after jaybrundage? If you think he's scum just go nail him.

Also did you know prplhz completely disappeared during the night?

Anyway, more later if I have time.

On February 07 2013 11:17 yamato77 wrote:
Djo, what do you make of Mocsta's case on me up there?

I have a hard time thinking it came from scum but he quite clearly misunderstands quite a lot of stuff.

On February 07 2013 12:54 yamato77 wrote:
I'm starting to come around to the idea of town Mocsta, actually. I believe he has a scum read on me, wrong or not. I'm not going to pick apart his case on me, because honestly it's too time consuming to do so, but rather, I'll say this: Reread what you've quoted with the idea that I'm town in your head, and you'll see what I've been doing this game. It does no good for you, as town, to continue to pursue me.

With that, I'd be behind a JX lynch. His one post is a "case" and vote on Mocsta. He was a QT spammer in our game together, and was far more active there than the thread, as opposed to his "carefree" town games like LIX. I'd be behind his lynch.

Palmar should also be on people's minds. No, you don't want to lynch Palmar D1 if he's town, but you don't exactly want him staying alive until tomorrow if mafia, either, so if he refuses to do anything for the rest of today I would say he should almost certainly be our lynch. A weak ass joke-vote on Prplhz is not meaningful contribution.

I don't like a Djodref lynch at the moment, but I need to reassess his posting from a more objective standpoint. I was giving him too much credit for his Mocsta read before. Still, I think he is perhaps not the best choice in front of people like JX/Palmar, so he's a backburner for me.

I don't know what's going on between VE/Snarfs, but I don't think people are cool with lynching VE so Snarfs needs some better contributions than a "case" on VE that I don't find to be good.

On February 08 2013 05:41 yamato77 wrote:
If someone other than JX gets lynched today I will afk.

On February 11 2013 12:45 yamato77 wrote:
One heuristic that I find important to mention about the behavior of people around yesterday's lynch is simple activity.

Assume that Sloosh and Mocsta are town. With Palmar's green flip, that means that I was wrong and mafia decided to make the lynch a choice between three town players. They don't care who dies, really, because any of the three is good for them. So mafia are more inclined to not care at all what happens yesterday. They lurk, slap their vote somewhere, and do nothing relevant to the game because there is zero chance of them getting lynched and they have no reason to push a mafia agenda.

So who fits this bill from yesterday? Snarfs, jay, and djo. Djo is the question mark of the three, because he simply didn't post at all. The other two, however, had very similar days and patterns of activity. They both slapped their vote on someone early, and then basically AFK'd. Right now, I think Snarfs is the best lynch because of this behavior and his similar behavior around the lynch day 1 where he didn't vote JX but rather put Hus vote on VE and used his 'case' as an excuse to not comment on the actual lynch. He should die today.

##Vote Snarfs

As for other reads, obviously I think jay is an acceptable alternative lynch candidate. I defended him early day 1 but since then he's done very little, which is more in line with how I view his scum meta. When he's town he at least cares enough to post his thoughts, but this game he's not even doing that anymore and is probably mafia for it.

Phagga is scummy, as others have outlined. I don't see him as red as I do snarfs or jay, but he's on my radar. If I was making a hypothetical scum team, I'd say the fourth might be Oats. In the past day his activity has dropped off a cliff and I don't know what his reads in the game are anymore. He seems to be sticking to his guns from day 1 but has no new information to support his reads and hasn't been very active in the game.

For town reads, Mocsta and Sloosh look really town to me, mostly from their play while under the gun. I'm more confident on Mocsta than Sloosh, but I would defend either one's towniness. VE and prplhz are also both town to me, despite other player's suspicions of them. If I need to defend them today, I will, because neither show scum traits to me at all.

Cheesecake, you asked for my read on you. You lean town to me, but you're real blendy and not at all confrontational like I think town CC is. I suppose you haven't been accused seriously yet, but you also aren't going out of your way to pressure your reads like I think town CC usually does. You're more null than I expected at this point in the game.

If you guys think I'm mafia for serious, come at me, but neither case from yesterday is at all good. I've been the towniest yamato of all time. Bring the cases on.

On February 11 2013 12:48 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Cant sleep phone posting from bed and keep refreshing lol... I agree we should look at palmars reads. but lets not take them as some holy grail of truth, just into consideration. Jay, i think you fail to see why palmar was lynched. activity basically
... any more talk of it is useless. You can say its scum driven all you want. Hell, it probably is with that many votes. problem is, its not going to help us if we point fingers for voting palmar. The nominations are scums way of forcing us to make decisions... and a way for us to get mad at each other. either you're falling into that trap or are scum trying to blow the lynch upinto everyone who was on it was scummy thing.

hey oats. pie or cheesecake?

On February 11 2013 13:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Finally some pressure Mocsta.

Im actually attacking the evidence though, because all the evidence is cus palmar said so (which is bad reasoning). Although the part about why yamato wants to lynch lurkers was original because it just happened. This case does not make me think jay is scummier / townier than before, the case is just bad because it's crux lies o n palmar being correct in his read.

But yeah, i was just infuriated by that case becauseis putting all the marbles in one basket. Palmars basket. It seems like a risky lynch, and im surprised nobody else sees that

On February 11 2013 13:19 yamato77 wrote:
...

Should I have included the post of jay's where he claims to have no reads? And all the ones he admits that he's just waiting on Palmar to post so he can sheep him?

Yeah...

On February 11 2013 14:12 Mocsta wrote:


Jay

On February 12 2013 03:50 Oatsmaster wrote:
Or you can do votecounts cause they make you look like you are participating.

Anything you see in the votecount Jay? Some votes were really fast

On February 12 2013 04:08 slOosh wrote:
Oats, get off Jay. Seriously. Vote counts are extremely helpful and it's not like it's the only thing that Jay contributed.

Jay, I think we are just choosing which scum we want to lynch at this point. Many of the initial pool of suspects (including yamato) have ties with VE. By lynching VE it forces more content from the remaining scum as well as helps us get better reads of them if they happen to be town. That is why I prefer lynching VE and would appreciate if you join me. Yamato ain't going nowhere I assure you.

On February 12 2013 06:09 phagga wrote:
Jay, Could you please add a point or two to every name explaining why you think they are scum?

On February 12 2013 11:09 Mocsta wrote:
JB
I saw on the spready,

Unclear: ?phagga?, prplhz
Light Scum: Djo, Oats, Cheesecake
Heavy Scum: yamato, snarfs, VE

But your post list is
VisceraEyes, Mr.Cheesecake, OatsMaster, Yamato77/prplhz

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VE: I am really starting to dislike if you couldnt tell by my last post to him

Mr. CC: I am finding is blendy as; but has sat under radar enough for me to keep forgetting to read his filter.

Oats: Is tough. middle of day 1, i had him as confirmed town. As the game has gone on, he has contributed less and less; BUT, I am willing to think of this as related to Chinese New year. If Oats is scum, I am willing to consider him as last prioirty to lynch.

Snarfs: One thing in Snarfs favour is early game I asked for his read on a post from VE. Even though he already voted VE, he said the tell was "null".. This at least shows he is not 100% tunneled in his approach. I think Snarfs problem may have been he pushed his scum reads before establishing his innocence.

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Overall Jay, I am behind yam or VE today; im fuckn annoyed yam chose not to comment over night. Thats a pretty damn big indicator based on his track record.

Also Jay, I think its great to use Palmar reads as a guide; but you need to show more of your own thought. e.g. phagga being cleared because Palmar had a doubt, is not good enough in my opinion.
If we want a good town environment, we need to be able to discuss pros/cons of participants; quoting "palmar said so" is actually http://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-authority and needs to stop.

Mocsta said
Mr. CC: I am finding is blendy as; but has sat under radar enough for me to keep forgetting to read his filter.

Oats: Is tough. middle of day 1, i had him as confirmed town. As the game has gone on, he has contributed less and less; BUT, I am willing to think of this as related to Chinese New year. If Oats is scum, I am willing to consider him as last prioirty to lynch.

Mocsta said
Also Jay, I think its great to use Palmar reads as a guide; but you need to show more of your own thought. e.g. phagga being cleared because Palmar had a doubt, is not good enough in my opinion.
If we want a good town environment, we need to be able to discuss pros/cons of participants; quoting "palmar said so" is actually http://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-authority and needs to stop.

appeal to authority

You said that because an authority thinks something, it must therefore be true.

It's important to note that this fallacy should not be used to dismiss the claims of experts, or scientific consensus. Appeals to authority are not valid arguments, but nor is it reasonable to disregard the claims of experts who have a demonstrated depth of knowledge unless one has a similar level of understanding and/or access to empirical evidence. However it is, entirely possible that the opinion of a person or institution of authority is wrong; therefore the authority that such a person or institution holds does not have any intrinsic bearing upon whether their claims are true or

On February 12 2013 12:02 Oatsmaster wrote:
What in the actual fuck Jay, why would you want to modkill a player?

Also, I explained why my activity dropped off a cliff already.

I agree with all of VE's reads. So either I am bad and getting played by scum, or VE is bussing all his teammates, or VE is town.

On January 05 2013 15:05 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
That's a scummy as shit move you pulled right thar sonny boy.

On February 12 2013 12:40 Oatsmaster wrote:
Learn to suck it up Jay, people wont always agree with you.




So your town meta is sucking at the game. Cool.

So Jay, I am not sure what you mean by 'I can see the bussing going on already'
Care to elaborate with examples?

On February 12 2013 12:04 yamato77 wrote:
The fact that I'm getting called out for doing "jack shit" is a damn lie.

Stop being a sheep, jay.

On February 12 2013 12:44 yamato77 wrote:
Stop being dumb, jay made no "counter-case". He's just a sheep of Palmar. I am realizing this as I go along. You need to get out of your confirmation bias and do something productive besides argue with people endlessly this game. Your amount of analysis is pathetically low in this post.

On February 12 2013 13:03 Oatsmaster wrote:
##Vote: yamato77

When I was scum, I resorted to these tactics cause feigning anger is fun, and it looks good. :D

Personal attacks are a scumtell. So Yamato is scum.

Yamato, if you arent scum, better find one and convince us to vote for him

On February 12 2013 13:03 Oatsmaster wrote:
##Vote: yamato77

When I was scum, I resorted to these tactics cause feigning anger is fun, and it looks good. :D

Personal attacks are a scumtell. So Yamato is scum.

Yamato, if you arent scum, better find one and convince us to vote for him

Personal attacks are a scumtell. So Yamato is scum.

On February 12 2013 13:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
K cool jay,
Now you are resorting to calling me bad. Wonderful.

I know what I think, I want to know what you think. You avoided the 'easily' answered question. Why? WHO KNOWS???

On February 12 2013 13:14 yamato77 wrote:
I don't care if you don't want to lynch Snarfs. You want to lynch me,1 which means you're an idiot.

Palmar did play bad this game. I have no problem saying that. Just because he flipped town doesn't suddenly mean his reads are 100% correct. I happen to know they aren't.

So what are you doing to do tomorrow when I flip town and mafia puts up three more town players and then it's mylo, huh? Go around sheeping Palmar's reads then? How is that productive for town?

Your case is just an extension of his, which I already addressed. I've addressed all of the main points I could find against me. If you don't believe me, 2 I don't care, because right now I really don't even want to play in this game. People aren't even reading my posts.

On February 12 2013 13:20 Oatsmaster wrote:


Where is the bussing that you are seeing. Elaborate with examples on why that is a bus post.

On February 12 2013 13:09 jaybrundage wrote:

@Oats This is the shit im talking about. You dont have any content in your posts. You make a snide comment, Insert a question/ask for clarification. While not fucking adding any thoughts of your own.

You also ask the most easily answered questions. You could legit just think about it for a moment and come up with an answer your self but instead you just ask it anyway to appear to be doing something.

Look at my scum team post. See if any of the plays are voting/casting suspicion on each other. Done that's it. Thats bussing.
Example: VE calling prplhz scum. Its not hard to read these things for your self. Your complete lack of your own thoughts this game makes you more and more likely scum.

@Yamato Yea God forbid I actually follow the best scumhunter on TL shame on me. Im sooo bad QQQQQQQQ

Stop trying to discredit my read on you with out actually addressing it. You never responded to Palmar's case either btw.



Yet again you make me following Palmar's read so bad. Yet why is this bad Yamato. Do you think Palmar is scum trying to push a mislynch on you.

OH WAIT LOL HE'S CONFIRMED TOWN. I forgot about that. Welp why don't you just straight up call Palmar a baddie then and end it there. What happened to your OMGUS im pretty disappointed you dropped it after you figured that lynch with my name on it wouldn't go anywhere.



You never responded to my post. I don't wanna lynch Snarfs. Who's next on your list.

On February 12 2013 13:29 Mocsta wrote:
lol almost.. nice name throw yamato

jay.. you need to take a step back, your getting way too heated

oats thrives on these confrontations; let it go (for the time being)

yam is intentionally baiting you now; just take a breather pls

On February 12 2013 13:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
##Unvote

Jay. you have got to chill.

On February 12 2013 13:34 yamato77 wrote:

Stop.

Talking.

About.

Bussing.

On February 12 2013 13:48 Mocsta wrote:
yeah go on and ignore the real confronting issues..

just like a politician.

On February 12 2013 13:37 yamato77 wrote:

Because scum jay wouldn't openly sheep Palmar.

Scum jay barely even had reads to begin with, not even sheep reads.

On February 12 2013 13:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
Jay, do you think Prp is scum?

On February 12 2013 14:08 Oatsmaster wrote:
um not that I can remember. LOL unofficial votecounter

On February 13 2013 07:11 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
been voting snarfs all day. /thread.

Jay just bus your scumbuddy Snarfs already.

On January 05 2013 15:05 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
That's a scummy as shit move you pulled right thar sonny boy.

On February 13 2013 07:15 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Jay, C'mon. This is really pathetic. All you do is keep yelling Lynch VE and nothing else. You're reasoning for dubbing me scum are equally are lulzy.

Give me one reason we should lynch VE over Snarfs.

On February 13 2013 07:24 phagga wrote:

Sloosh, since your vote is on VE: do you think snarfs is not scum or VE is the better lynch?

On February 13 2013 07:34 slOosh wrote:
phagga and prplhz, what the heck, how is choosing Snarfs vs VE so difficult for you guys when it is so obvious in your filters that you find indefinitely prefer VE over Snarfs?

On February 13 2013 11:23 Mocsta wrote:

That is a FUCKN weird comment to make.

On February 13 2013 11:25 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
I'm going to lurk now. Will post a bunch of reads just before end of dawn phase so it doesn't influence nominations.

Debears, I urge you to read quickly.

TAKE THAT JAY

CHEESECAKE OUT!

On February 14 2013 12:12 Mocsta wrote:
Yeah OK

I admit playing two games, caused me to lose motivation for this game; so my activity dropped significantly.

But, this nomination has given me the kick start I needed.

If we are talking about "usefulness" lets talk about current reads.
Mine: VE / Mr.CC / phagga/yamato

Mr. CC: jay / phagga / prplhz

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As a start; can you tell me which list of reads you prefer?

On February 14 2013 12:24 debears wrote:
k lets see if this works. Here are my notes with reads.

Let me know if you need clarification. These are actually only thru page 23/25 i believe

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtCRkXQG1MtEdEZ1eUZNS3ZUdHFYZjRadzZNV2p5V1E#gid=0

On February 14 2013 12:27 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Jay, as much as I'd like to believe that , I have some doubts. But Phagga does seem very tempting for tomorrow as well, heh. I'm sure one of you guys is le scum.

On February 14 2013 12:27 Mocsta wrote:
jay.. awesome you think phagga is on the cards tomorrow; but, right now, its about whose on the chopping block today.

Where are you standing currently.

On February 14 2013 12:47 Mocsta wrote:
Did you have a strong town read on CC before the Snarfs lynch?

On February 14 2013 12:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:


Ofc I want to lynch Phagga. But I'm infinitely paranoid of you, jay. You're really going to have to convince me you're town, even if Phagga flips red.

On February 14 2013 11:18 jaybrundage wrote:
Kind of disappointed by the nominations. Scum has decided to play it safe and just keep the same candidates plus one.

I think we should go for CC as if anyone is scum its most likly him as if he's scum and did bush Snarfs hard he would try to ride the town cred and then if he survives this lynch then he would be more likley town in peoples eyes. He also could just b town and scum find him a threat. I find it wierd that VE isn't here if he is actually town.

On February 14 2013 15:45 yamato77 wrote:
Also of note is how I'm still a scumread of his yet he stopped pushing me yesterday as a read of his about the time the wagon on me died.

BLENDY.

On February 14 2013 16:07 yamato77 wrote:
By the way, you should have put me up as the person who was supposed to be lynched today, because I think more people read me mafia than town.

CC too easy.

On February 14 2013 16:10 yamato77 wrote:

The question is, who do you think is mafia TODAY?

You should think about it and consider it because I'm telling you, IT MATTERS.

If not Mocsta, who? I want to know. CC? Why? Sloosh? Why?

Give me some reasons.

On February 14 2013 16:41 yamato77 wrote:
If Mocsta and Sloosh are town, and read town by everyone, why would mafia even try to put them up again? Um because mafia wants to kill the towniest looking townie duh

Wouldn't they try to put up different people that others read town in the hopes that they get lynched instead? Why then they make it easier to see who mafia wants to kill

Doesn't the idea of using it as an NK necessitate that people actually want to lynch the people you're putting up, a la Palmar day 1?

So why pick CC? Because they want him dead. Why? Because he's town. By the virtue of how the lynch went down day 2, there is zero reason to think that CC is actually mafia, ALL WIFOM Something called a hard bus my friend and that lynching him today is at all a good idea, EVEN IF you think all three people are town, because he is the absolute LEAST likely to be mafia of the three. You state this like its fact with out showing any evidence to back it up

So why not lynch Mocsta or Sloosh? At this point I'll take either, because I think they both might be mafia, but I prefer Mocsta because I'm more confident in him than Sloosh. We need to talk about this and not just randomly sheep our votes somewhere, because that is what mafia would want us to do in this situation.

That's why I asked jay to comment, and why him not commenting is damning evidence in my eyes. Yea god forbid I leave my computer If Mocsta and Sloosh are both mafia Rofl are you kidding me this is a giant stretch now your just grasping for straws again no evidence to back it up, jay has been pushing the same agenda as them the whole game, right up to right now. They don't want us to think about the lynch today because there is actually a chance at catching mafia if we do.More WIFOM They want us to think that all three are town, and that our choice barely matters.

BUT IT DOES MATTER. Read my analysis of the likelihood of the nomination possibilities. I don't think mafia would ONLY put up town players the whole game. Your analasis is guess what ALL WIFOM THERE IS A REASON GOOD PLAYERS DON'T SPECULATE ON NIGHT KILLS They would almost certainly take chances, especially with the first nomination. They could put up a town player EVERYONE wants to lynch and bet that he doesn't prove himself town This is just bullshit I didnt want to lynch Palmar Also if anything Sloosh would of been the person taht was afk day 1 he was the most likely to die , and then slap ANYONE next to him for a safe way to gain town cred. It especially works if everyone think they are all town anyway.

But their mistake was doing it twice, because it made it too obvious. There's no fucking way mafia would put up two guys that were clearly not getting lynched day 2 again day 4 if both of them were town.WIFOM They would if they were mafia, though.

On February 14 2013 18:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
Jay,
who is scum? Since you think that everyone up for lynch today is town?

On February 15 2013 06:13 yamato77 wrote:
My reads are all muddled again.

Time to mulligan again. It worked last time with VE/Snarfs, in that I came to the same conclusion after rereading, so we'll see tonight how this goes.

On February 16 2013 04:34 debears wrote:


So you would believe that cc as supposed scum would push his scumbuddy day 1 on and then spearhead a bus lynch on snarfs over a lynch on yamato or someone else?

On February 16 2013 14:14 yamato77 wrote:
I am coming around to the idea of killing prplhz. His play of late shows absolutely no curiosity, and his activity is becoming more and more atrocious.

##Vote: Prplhz

Sloosh probs right on this one.

On February 16 2013 13:17 Oatsmaster wrote:
Jay,
You are one of the biggest offenders of the LURKZONE
What do you think about my slOosh case, slOosh's phagga case, and phagga's response to my case on slOosh?

On February 16 2013 15:03 debears wrote:


Why would you want to kill someone who correctly identified and pushed a scum lynch (CC) over someone who was completely wrong (Mocsta) if you saw both as town?

On February 17 2013 10:03 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Although this Jay stuff looks tempting as hell,

@Debears

Stop rolling your face over Jay right now. I think he's pretty lulscum too at this point; but tell me, WHY do you think Phagga is town??? You realize that his voteswitch was actually super scummy right? Sloosh unvotes and looks to be preparing to vote Snarfypoo. That's when Phagga switches over, right in the time between sloosh unvotes and subsequently votes snarfs.

"Oh shit, sloosh gonna tip the tides, GG better bus"

I suggest you go look at Phagga's play again. That's just shitty analysis of his vote to give him a town vibe. I expect better from you.

Phagga best lynch evar atm.

##Vote: Phagga

At anyone wanting to lynch Prplhz right now, why would we over Phagga? I'd like to, as VE puts it, powwow a little bit and discuss it. Prplhz play is lackluster and scummy but I think Phagga has a great chance to flip scum.

On February 17 2013 14:18 yamato77 wrote:
With that in mind, Jay is likely mafia. Prplhz is likely mafia. Either one of them dying is a good outcome today, in my opinion, but I feel more strongly about Prplhz than I do jay. The fact that he hasn't managed to post any meaningful analysis of anything in a very long time leads me to believe that he's lost interest in the game, which is a mafia tell, if I remember correctly. As a game goes on, mafia tend to care less about keeping up with the game and posting in it. The fact that he, on day 1, wasn't matching the scum meta he got caught with is no longer relevant to my read on him. I highly doubt that he is town.

Jay is in a similar boat. While his activity hasn't declined, it hasn't ever been that high in the first place. His lack of original reads and general "go-with-the-flow" mentality is a difference from his town play, which is to come up with reads, right or wrong, and be convinced of them. He's blendy, and very non-confrontational. His pressure of me was very much a sheepish move to make, because it was en vogue at the time. Him being town is more likely than Prplhz, but still not very likely.

On February 19 2013 12:38 yamato77 wrote:
I say we lynch Sloosh today

Because I'm drunk

##Vote Sloosh

/thread

On February 19 2013 14:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
Lynch Jay tomorrow.

Jay, do you have an actual reason as to why Yamato or CC are scum, other than, OH I THINK SCUM WOULD PLAY THIS WAY.

On February 20 2013 08:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
wow thats a sheep if i have ever seen one jay. good for you its on the wagon of justice.

but dont interpret this as a free pass.

On February 20 2013 10:16 debears wrote:
Cheesecake

The fuck?

If you looks like scum, sounds like scum, and votes like scum, it is scum.

Jay is scum. If you think not, THEN FUCKING COUNTER MY PREVIOUS CASES AGAINST HIM.

On February 10 2013 07:02 jaybrundage wrote:
I would actually gladly lynch VE based on what SlOosh said and his responses

On February 17 2013 01:53 debears wrote:


He pushed VE hard with no case written on VE at all by himself. He just suddenly decided "hey, VE is totes scum".

You don't find that weird after he wrote about yamato?

+ Show Spoiler +

Then, there's jay's refusal to lynch snarfs.

+ Show Spoiler +

What was his reasoning for not lynching snarfs???????

+ Show Spoiler +

Was his town read on snarfs based on analysis of snarfs play? Hell no. It was an association, based on no flips, based on a couple votes on snarfs.

WHY DID JAY NOT MENTION ANALYSIS OF SNARFS PLAY IF HE HAS SUCH A STRONG READ ON HIM

If jay was town, Why can't someone whos town have faulty reasoning? he would defend snarfs based on analysis of snarfs play, not some "oh, i think these guys are scum and voting this other guys even though i have no analysis on the guy they are voting". It was faulty reasoning granted but you can have faulty reasoning and still be town


Oats, Ctrl F jay's filter for snarfs. You will see what i mean

On February 20 2013 10:31 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Jay, you're prolly town. that last post just seemed kinda weirdly timed. still, its a wagon of justice. and i like that you're on it. There still lingers a possibility that you both are scum, so any buddying of me will get you nowhere. im paranoid of you jay, to say the least. i really hope you are town and im not fucking it up

On February 20 2013 10:50 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Yeah. Seriously if you're scum jay fuck you.

On February 20 2013 15:42 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok everybody.
Top 2 scum reads.
And quick summary on why they are scum
If you dont do it, its a scum tell.

For me
Jay:
Scum.
He doesnt care who is scum, his sheeping off Palmar to make a horrible case on yamato which doesnt say why he is scum at all. Then he doesnt care to follow up at all.
he seems too proud that his town meta is sheeping people and he is self deprecating.
Djo/Debears
Scum
Djo did the really really bad RNG idea for lynching and thats pretty much ALL his contribution before he replaced.
Debears also seems to not really be involved in the game, like he has no convictions in his reads.

On February 21 2013 02:41 VisceraEyes wrote:

jaybrundage has been crying "best mislynch NA" all game, like he does every game these days...except, if that's the case, then why hasn't scum tried to mislynch him yet? Something to consider. He wanted me gone bad on D3, and like everyone, is (somehow) convinced that the D3 lynch was between 2 scum. You need only look around today at the state of town, two mislynches away from losing the game, to see that this CAN NOT have been the case. I think debears is onto something with his case on jaybrundage. I think jay is scum.

.

On February 21 2013 11:38 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Is VE just a retard?

On February 21 2013 10:32 slOosh wrote:
You guys really don't see a concerted effort on the part to push this jay lynch through? VE, phagga, debears and Oats all joining hands saying, let's lynch jay, even though we have scum reads on each other?

Whichever one of you is town (I think it's Oats but it could be debears), aren't you worried? If you think the nominees are town, then you got 3/5 scum that aren't nominated. You seriously, seriously should think about what is being said and what is being pushed right now.

Also note that VE is straight up slinging mud on yamato, even though he has on multiple occasions said that he is a strong town read. Also notice how his reads magically change over time despite no discussion or involvement with the thread






Right now VE is just sweeping this aside because by killing yamato he doesn't have to properly address it. As it is I think this is the strongest way to go about lynching VE.

##Unvote: yamato
##Vote: slOosh

On February 21 2013 14:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
GG slOosh <3 you :D


##Vote VE

On February 21 2013 15:05 debears wrote:


1) Namely, a scum (snarfs) pushed him solely from the beginning of day 1 on.
2) My 2 top scumreads are voting him so quickly
3) My 2 top scumreads have no case on him. They are pure sheeping

On February 21 2013 16:08 debears wrote:


Palmar is a better town player than VE. Sloosh was considered town (I believe). Mocsta was considered town. VE was not (if i remember correctly)

On February 21 2013 16:53 Oatsmaster wrote:

You dont get to claim that your method of reading people is good because YOU mislynched Prp.

On February 21 2013 16:55 yamato77 wrote:
Go read the damn games yourself, Oats. I can't possibly hope to encapsulate the broad-strokes analysis of Jay's filters in just a few posts.

Having been in or actively obs'd both those games, I can say with relative certainty that jay is town. If you don't want to read the games and see for yourself, then just trust me on this one, because I know.

All of you may think I'm not a good player but you'll be very glad to know you'll win if you stop thinking I'm so terrible at this game.

On February 21 2013 16:57 yamato77 wrote:

The mislynch was days later, and it was an oversight mainly.

But it's besides the point, because the point is that both of them are very similar, and that you have to use similar logic to arrive at the conclusion that they are town.

If you're not going to do any meaningful reading or analysis of your own on this matter, Oats, then just sheep me. You'll be glad you did in approximately 42 hours.

On February 21 2013 16:59 jaybrundage wrote:

Wait a second If anything Oats should sheep me.

I was on the Wagon of Justice long before you were. *You were* on a lesser Wagon of Justice (of snarfs).

On January 13 2013 14:28 Xatalos wrote:
Actually (@Jay) you haven't done anything meaningful after accusing Kushm4sta as scummy for his anti-town entrance. You have a lot of fluff in your filter, though. But that's actually worse than having nothing in its place. MrZentor keeps saying you're town for your spamminess, but that's not too hard for Mafia with some experience and knowledge to fake. All you have to do to keep MrZentor off you is to post something a lot, no matter how thought-out it is. I'm on the border of voting you right now based on this very early game alone. Prove me wrong. Start by scumhunting.

On January 13 2013 14:58 jaybrundage wrote:

Da fuck I have been scum hunting have you read my filter. I was pressuring Supersoft, and defending a town read I have.

Dont throw baseless accusations at me. Atm your looking kinda scummy you ask questions in the thread never draw any conclusions about the things you ask. You have a scum read on Kush and then when he changes his read on Mr.Zentor you say that hes too scummy to be scum hes town. ????? dafuq Thats after a single fucking small post. You got lynched last game day one for you 180's that make no damn sense and your doing them again this game.

The only thing that make's me hesitate to lynch you is that your such giant lynch bait. I also am not sure about Kush both of you guys have such fluctuating reads.

Kush goes from this guy is scum vote. To oh wait ok hes not scum. To explaining why hes prolly not scum to being scum again. Like is this normal?

On January 14 2013 07:52 Xatalos wrote:


I'm trying to find any actual scumhunting in your filter, but it's just not there.

- You called Kush scummy for entering the thread in an anti-town fashion (extremely easy to attack a controversial player like that, and you never pursued this read anyway - you even corrected that his play was anti-town and not scummy later, so what caused this significant change of wording?)
- You called supersoft useless (not scummy though - this stab at supersoft was extremely unimpactful, weak and definitely neither pressure nor scumhunting, it achieved nothing for the thread)

And now you actually freak out and start accusing me suddenly. Is the pressure too much? Why would a townie react like that? I bet it's because you're scum and desperate to get off this situation. Combined with your absolute lack of effort to progress scumhunting so far, you're a very decent lynch at the moment.

##Vote jaybrundage

On January 14 2013 11:34 jaybrundage wrote:

I wanted to pressure Kush with my post. I believe i succeeded in that.

Supersoft had just called Zentor scum with no base and just some red txt. I dont find anything wrong with calling him out on it. He hasnt done much this game and I have no qualms with my suspicious of him.

Why do you say I freakout. The only thing you have done so far of any significance is to put a vote me. Hell i prefer this then that questioning bullshit you been putting out. At least your doing something. My only concern is im not sure whos more scummy you or supersoft.

On January 15 2013 01:38 Xatalos wrote:


What's with this vote? Let's look at the arguments:

- My case doesn't seem to have much merit (what's this supposed to mean? it does have some merit but not enough? how is that scummy?)
- You don't like my hard flip on Kush (as I said, I've had a townread on Kush ever since he entered the thread by grabbing attention, and only for a moment did I suspect him after one blatantly scummy post - after his response I concluded that it actually belonged well enough with his "too scummy to be scum" verdict and dropped that line of thought - there's a fast switch of stance there, but it's nothing out of the ordinary when considering his scummy posting and especially that one post)
- You say I've done less than you (really? all you've done is call Kush scummy for grabbing attention, take a stab at supersoft for being useless, and call me scum for... basically posting a case with some merit, giving serious thought to Kush's alignment and apparently doing less than yourself, although I've clearly been more active and taken more stances than you)

This whole case feels forced and unconvinced. Even more so with vague wording like "his attack of me doesn't seem to have much merit", "I don't like his posts" and "seems like hes trying to go for an easy mislynch" (and what the heck, how is this an "easy mislynch", since most people here think you're town?).

Speaking of that, MrZentor, do you currently think Jay is town? What do you think about his latest posts?

On January 14 2013 13:11 jaybrundage wrote:

WBG Answer this plz.

I could lynch either one. But imma gonna go ahead and go with Xatalos. I dont like his posts. His attack of me doesnt seem to have much merit.

I dont like his hard flip on Kush. Hes calling me out for doing nothing when hes done less. He throws some baseless accusations at me and just seems like hes trying ot go for an easy mislynch.






Scum seem to have a habit of trying to get me mislynched day one. Soo why not use it to my advantage. I think your scum trying to put some pressure on an easy target. Well fuck that.

##Vote Xatalos

On January 15 2013 03:19 Xatalos wrote:


Why won't you do something useful then instead of complaining how much of a lynchbait you are?

On January 15 2013 03:37 Xatalos wrote:


Why are you so vague in your suspicion of me? You use wording like "his play seemed a lot like scum" or "I have a feeling like that is what is happening here". Do you think so or do you merely suggest that thought to others? And that last part is just WIFOM.

On January 15 2013 02:55 jaybrundage wrote:
I have been quieter this game unfortunately a combination of my work schedule, and I find it hard to contribute day one especially with so many new people I haven't played with before. During Hero MM i got mislynched so I have been working to change the way I play the game. Look up my most recent game in British MM if you wanna see my most recent play. One of the things I have been trying to eliminate is posting with out having a clear goal in mind cause people usually end up mislynching me : (


@X Im not gonna go down a useless arguement about who has done what in cases of usefulness. And yes usually im an easy mislynch because I dont properly display townie traits when I am in fact town. Regardless I have been trying to change this British MM was a result of that.

On February 22 2013 05:30 debears wrote:


Yeah and I just made a huge counter case showing actual context refuting your case. You just refuse to reply to anythung in it specifically because you are wrong and know it

Fuck this you are actually scum yamato. Maybe phagga is town after all

On February 22 2013 08:00 debears wrote:




Yeah that's martyring. He was behind by 2 in the votecount anyways. Everyone was set on lynching him. What does acting the martyr do to harm him as scum?

On February 22 2013 10:02 VisceraEyes wrote:
It would be phagga. He's been skirting on the edge of everyone's vision, and he's been hopping on the most popular lynch all game. Even now he's ceding his position on you to ensure a mislynch on me...you, his greatest red read all game.

You're not in my scum list anymore because today I had the pleasure of reading one of our previous scum games, BC's Arkham Asylum. I totally spaced that I had played scum with you before, back in the day. The whole of your filter in that game was THREE PAGES, and your average post length was 2 lines. This game ISN'T EVEN CLOSE to your scum meta.

Yamato was trying to die so he would be a confirmed town and people would see his reads are genuine. It was only after Oats thought SlOosh was mafia that I decided to help change the vote.

On February 22 2013 10:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
Except he's not dead is he jay? You can't be a martyr IF YOU'RE FUCKING ALIVE. Otherwise you're just a guy saying things louder than most.

On February 22 2013 11:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
Look, I'm not going to argue with you about why Yamato is or isn't scum. Honestly I haven't put forth ANY effort into trying to trying to prove it and I'm not going to in the current environment because I don't want to lynch yamato. I want to lynch phagga...if you're willing to go in with me on phagga, I'm absolutely willing to discuss why that guy is scum. But until I have some sense that it's not a waste of time, I'm not wasting my time. I've kissed my wife for the last time. I've hugged my baby for the last time. I'm ready to die and end this game - unless townies show me they're interested in winning.

My read on Yamato is based entirely on his play THIS PHASE. I haven't gone over his filter and I don't intend to. You have a point about the martyr thing, but frankly that doesn't excuse his absolute refusal to acknowledge that he might be lynching a townie. And he is jay.

On February 22 2013 11:03 jaybrundage wrote:

He would of been dead and he was fine with that. It was my post that changed that and then SlOosh changing his vote as well.

I am not scum so I know that it wasn't someone part of the scum team. SlOosh also changed his vote on himself who is now a confirmed townie. And VE if your "Town" then you know that scum didn't have anyone change the votes so Yamato lived.

With this information how can you think yamato is scum.

On February 22 2013 13:24 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dont know if phagga is scum or not.
I dont know if VE is scum or not.
I dont know if CC is scum or not.

##Unvote
##Vote: phagga

On February 22 2013 13:37 Oatsmaster wrote:
I have town reads.
Namely Yamato for one.

On February 22 2013 13:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
If it wasn't obvious, my town reads are Jay and Yamato. Yamato prolly town cus he's all facerolly and tried to lynch himself, etc. Jay because I can't pin him with a single person other than Phagga (who, may I add, will be getting lynched anyway).

But seriously Jay, if you're scum fuck you go to hell.

The question marks lay above Debears, Oats, Phagga, and VE. 3 of them are scum. I am positive on Phagga, dibbers, 70/30 with ve/oats. Once he falls, the rest crumble with ease.

On February 22 2013 13:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
how about no?

On February 22 2013 14:08 Oatsmaster wrote:

why?

On February 22 2013 14:10 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
In all honesty we're probably just moving the wagon of justice from one red guy to the next LOL

On February 22 2013 14:10 debears wrote:


You have not mentioned my cases once. You have not refuted them. You're full of it. Jay is scum. Open your eyes.

Jay/Yam yam/Oats

On February 22 2013 14:14 debears wrote:


Why is this post addressed to me like you know I'm town?

If you thought I was scum, you would say "your yamato scum read is scummy as shit for this reason:" and then follow it up with reasoning.

Why are you lecturing me on my reads? Why do you treat me like I'm town?

Cuz you are scum

On February 22 2013 14:17 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:


##Unvote
##Vote: Jay

CONVINCED

On February 22 2013 14:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:


BUT JAY IS SCUM WHERE ARE YOU GOING

On February 22 2013 14:18 debears wrote:
And now everyone is going to taunt me. Screw you guys. I waste my fucking time on this game for lylo and you all do this shit to me

On February 22 2013 14:25 Oatsmaster wrote:
Im totally a sheep and trying to get someone lynched
##Unvote
##Vote: jaybrundage

Also im not convinced by your reasoning Jay and I dont think you are either