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Mr. Cheesecake
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Mr. Cheesecake
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Mr. Cheesecake
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How do you feel about lynching phagga/prphlz/jay??? Also, why shouldn't I just wagon the fuck out of you tomorrow?You've done little to prove you're town to me as of yet. Lay off VE for a while and tell me what you think of those candidates or at least why yamato / oats. if you're sheeping people on yamato, just say so. | ||
Mr. Cheesecake
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##vote: Palmar Also, finally someone wants to pressure me. Prphlz go ahead, it'll help me get a read of you. Just dont flake out on thw tunnel like VE promised. | ||
Mr. Cheesecake
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On February 11 2013 11:00 jaybrundage wrote: Man that Palmar wagon looks scummy as hell Lol. | ||
Mr. Cheesecake
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Don't think Yamato / VE be a good lynch today. Yamato I don't see as that scummy, VE I see as more of as ez scum target because he's just not living up to his full potential. He's 'slippery' as SlOosh put it, but my top scumreads all want him dead which irks the fuck out of me. | ||
Mr. Cheesecake
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What really stands out about Phagga was his JX vote... because not once did he attempt to talk with JX. Never did he interact with him meaningfully and try to probe his brain for information. Town want to be sure their vote is placed correctly. Phagga did not. It was a blatant sheep with no follow-up investigating or interacting. He asked Jay like one question: Who is your top scumread? And then proceeded to dabble here and there, poop-flinging at someone or another like VE, who I see as an easy target. ##Vote: Snarfs Because lurking and I think he's scum. Also, How do you view Phagga right now? What about Jay overall considering the recent happenings? | ||
Mr. Cheesecake
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@Yamato You're pretty null / leaning town (wtf, has this ever happened before with us?). This game is really different than our last few together. In each we were always shitflinging at each other, both when you were town and scum. I actually can't put my finger on it, you seem more level-headed than usual. I think if we talk some I can get a decent read on you from our history together. Some people here want to lynch you, thus I need to speak with you. So, my question: What do you think of me this game? I want you to shine your Yamato beams of light down upon Mr. Cheesecake and reveal all that you believe of me. (Tunnel me brohan) | ||
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... any more talk of it is useless. You can say its scum driven all you want. Hell, it probably is with that many votes. problem is, its not going to help us if we point fingers for voting palmar. The nominations are scums way of forcing us to make decisions... and a way for us to get mad at each other. either you're falling into that trap or are scum trying to blow the lynch upinto everyone who was on it was scummy thing. hey oats. pie or cheesecake? | ||
Mr. Cheesecake
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all kidding aside i need to talk more with you yamato... idk about oats scum. activity doesnt display towniness all the time. just look at palmar lol. maybe i need to reevaluate oats but i cant really paint him red right now the only thing that concerns me is that you havent been yelling scum at someone yet. town yamato always did that with me in the game. so composed yamato | ||
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On February 11 2013 13:12 jaybrundage wrote: Ok we wont take them as a holy grail of truth. Just interpret if its like a bible from the Nordic town god. Also first you state that i have no standing in calling it a scum driven wagon. Then you concede that scum probably are on it. But then you go on to say that it won't help if we point fingers for voting palmar. But on that point you would be completely wrong. We can use Palmar's lynch as a reference point to narrowing scum candidates. Im not falling into any trap. The nominations are a very town favored concept. We need to use it to our advantage we now have twice the amount of lynches to analyze. You misunderstand me. The wagon is no doubt scum driven. Of course scum are on that wagon. problem is, most of them are probably town. maybe scum voted elsewhere as well(or didnt vote at all). its hard to discern who is the 'scum driving the wagom' because even if scum werent voting at all, palmar probably still dies. Anyway its just a lot of wifom anyway. its a really town favored mechanic, but scum are obviously going to exploit it somehow. This whole cus palmar said so rubs me the wrong way. Maybe you should do some scumhunting of your own instead of some deceased God to do ot for you. You're probably promoting this lynch because you're scum, know its an easy mislynch, and can use the words of so-called confirmed town to your advantage. yamato, what say you to thia case? | ||
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Im actually attacking the evidence though, because all the evidence is cus palmar said so (which is bad reasoning). Although the part about why yamato wants to lynch lurkers was original because it just happened. This case does not make me think jay is scummier / townier than before, the case is just bad because it's crux lies o n palmar being correct in his read. But yeah, i was just infuriated by that case becauseis putting all the marbles in one basket. Palmars basket. It seems like a risky lynch, and im surprised nobody else sees that | ||
Mr. Cheesecake
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I'll admit i got a bit furious there because i want to discuss with yamato (if i can do this, i can read him). if hes just defending your case, hes reiterating the same tired old points and saying stuff that, really, doesnt help me get a feel for him. Yamato im still here if you want to talk. Tell me what you think of Jays shenannies here. What does this case tell you about his alignment? im not interested in a defence rly, just your.opinion | ||
Mr. Cheesecake
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Yamato Because Jay said that Palmar said so I haven't really given a serious look at Yamato until today. I initially wrote him off, because he was the towniest Yamato I've ever seen. In our history, he was always flaming with bias and emotionally posting. He drove the JX lynch home, but it was more lazy posting instead of emotional. This game he is more level-headed, and I just kinda threw a 'leaning town' stamp on him and let it be. Palmar apparently was going for something with Yamato, and Jay just reiterated it. I still think it is bad how Jay went after Yamato like that, but I have to consider that maybe he / Palmar are right. I'm filter diving and coming to my own conclusions on Yamato. On Jay's points: Yamato's flip-flop on Mocsta From Jay's case, I found it hard to get the grip on this point (he was basically summarizing). The first two pages on his filter are anti-Mocsta and then suddenly out of nowhere is: On February 07 2013 12:54 yamato77 wrote: I'm starting to come around to the idea of town Mocsta, actually. I believe he has a scum read on me, wrong or not. I'm not going to pick apart his case on me, because honestly it's too time consuming to do so, but rather, I'll say this: Reread what you've quoted with the idea that I'm town in your head, and you'll see what I've been doing this game. It does no good for you, as town, to continue to pursue me. With that, I'd be behind a JX lynch. His one post is a "case" and vote on Mocsta. He was a QT spammer in our game together, and was far more active there than the thread, as opposed to his "carefree" town games like LIX. I'd be behind his lynch. Palmar should also be on people's minds. No, you don't want to lynch Palmar D1 if he's town, but you don't exactly want him staying alive until tomorrow if mafia, either, so if he refuses to do anything for the rest of today I would say he should almost certainly be our lynch. A weak ass joke-vote on Prplhz is not meaningful contribution. I don't like a Djodref lynch at the moment, but I need to reassess his posting from a more objective standpoint. I was giving him too much credit for his Mocsta read before. Still, I think he is perhaps not the best choice in front of people like JX/Palmar, so he's a backburner for me. I don't know what's going on between VE/Snarfs, but I don't think people are cool with lynching VE so Snarfs needs some better contributions than a "case" on VE that I don't find to be good. His Mocsta alignment case wasn't getting any traction, so he switches base. This IS a bit odd. Especially for Yamato. The Yamato I know was always ridden with tunneling and never let up. Conceding his position is, from what I'd consider, unlikely for town Yamato. Also, this is bad reasoning for a town Mocsta from him: On February 07 2013 13:14 yamato77 wrote: I think Mocsta might be town because I don't think a mafia player went through the effort to make that huge response. -snip- Both alignments respond to cases. A matter of effort is not alignment indicative. JX Vote On February 07 2013 12:57 yamato77 wrote: Also, ##Unvote ##Vote JieXian Or however you spell his name. Where was JX before in Yamato's thinking? I completely missed this tbh. Not much to say about it other than lolwut. List post: On February 07 2013 13:08 yamato77 wrote: In fact, let me go down my list and tell you guys exactly what I think of the game so far. I know you all hate list posts but whatever, deal with it. TOWN Oats Sloosh VE Mocsta Jay Prplhz CC NULL Djo Phagga MAFIA Palmar JX Snarfs The only thing left to do in this game is lynch into/see more of the bottom five and figure out which one is the town player. Right now I'd pick Djo. I didn't list these in any particular order, but my town reads are all fairly decent at the moment. It would take a lot for me to change them. Lists are scummy brah. I have no idea why he thinks I'm town: We've barely even talked. I think our interactions are null at this stage? I don't recall him taking a look at me. Why is he writing me off as town? I'm less concerned about his scumreads, because those conclusions can come from either alignment. I just don't know why certain people have earned the Yamato green stamp of approval. Prphlz town read: On February 08 2013 01:11 yamato77 wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=393344&user=126438 This is prplhz's filter from LIX where he was mafia, lynched D1. While this is only somewhat useful on its own, what is important to note is how he was caught that game, which was through analysis of his meta. So, at the very least, we can assume that some of his posting this game is similar to how he usually plays mafia, and especially so at the beginning of the game. So what characteristics do we use to define that filter? Trollish, disconnected, and overall useless to town. Devoid of reads, or any real interaction. Yes, at some point he realized he was dead and did nothing, but that wasn't the whole day. At least some part of that filter is indicative of his meta, and he hasn't matched it at all this game. This is his first post this game. What is he doing here? Caring about town, and actually giving out reads. Town reads, but reads nonetheless, and some insight into how he got them. This is a stark difference from the trolly attitude he got caught with in LIX. This post, he keeps with his pro-town theme and gives two more reads. He says I could be lynched, that he agrees with Sloosh's case. Again, he is thinking about who he wants to lynch, why he wants to lynch them, and being townie about it. The dude is green. Mainly a meta case and two quotes saying that he's pro town. Why doesn't Yamato think he can be mafia faking this sentiment? Eeerrrr it's such an easy thing to just slap this town label on someone and never rethink it. The only time I played scum was with Debears, and he did this stuff to me all the time. Beefed up my townie image by defending me and saying I was pro-town because 'insert midly townish post here'. It may be the same case here. Yamato Today On February 11 2013 12:45 yamato77 wrote: One heuristic that I find important to mention about the behavior of people around yesterday's lynch is simple activity. Assume that Sloosh and Mocsta are town. With Palmar's green flip, that means that I was wrong and mafia decided to make the lynch a choice between three town players. They don't care who dies, really, because any of the three is good for them. So mafia are more inclined to not care at all what happens yesterday. They lurk, slap their vote somewhere, and do nothing relevant to the game because there is zero chance of them getting lynched and they have no reason to push a mafia agenda. So who fits this bill from yesterday? Snarfs, jay, and djo. Djo is the question mark of the three, because he simply didn't post at all. The other two, however, had very similar days and patterns of activity. They both slapped their vote on someone early, and then basically AFK'd. Right now, I think Snarfs is the best lynch because of this behavior and his similar behavior around the lynch day 1 where he didn't vote JX but rather put Hus vote on VE and used his 'case' as an excuse to not comment on the actual lynch. He should die today. ##Vote Snarfs As for other reads, obviously I think jay is an acceptable alternative lynch candidate. I defended him early day 1 but since then he's done very little, which is more in line with how I view his scum meta. When he's town he at least cares enough to post his thoughts, but this game he's not even doing that anymore and is probably mafia for it. Phagga is scummy, as others have outlined. I don't see him as red as I do snarfs or jay, but he's on my radar. If I was making a hypothetical scum team, I'd say the fourth might be Oats. In the past day his activity has dropped off a cliff and I don't know what his reads in the game are anymore. He seems to be sticking to his guns from day 1 but has no new information to support his reads and hasn't been very active in the game. For town reads, Mocsta and Sloosh look really town to me, mostly from their play while under the gun. I'm more confident on Mocsta than Sloosh, but I would defend either one's towniness. VE and prplhz are also both town to me, despite other player's suspicions of them. If I need to defend them today, I will, because neither show scum traits to me at all. Cheesecake, you asked for my read on you. You lean town to me, but you're real blendy and not at all confrontational like I think town CC is. I suppose you haven't been accused seriously yet, but you also aren't going out of your way to pressure your reads like I think town CC usually does. You're more null than I expected at this point in the game. If you guys think I'm mafia for serious, come at me, but neither case from yesterday is at all good. I've been the towniest yamato of all time. Bring the cases on. Even if Snarfs fits that bill, this is a shitty reason to be voting people alone. I don't agree that we should be looking mainly at activity from the nomination lynch. It's like a cop-out on forming decent reads... Also, he just calls me blendy and null reads me when I ask him to look into me. Seriously, I give him a GOLDEN opportunity to get some information about me, which I will respond to. He just null reads like a boss. Why doesn't he want to snuggle up with me and get to know each other? Town Yamato loves to interact / cuddle with me. Scum Yamato is afraid because he knows I'll call him out on his BS. I'd consider lynching Yamato today. My gut tells me to go all wagon of justice lynch Snarfs mode. Unfortunately he's another fucking lurker right now. I need to hear more than 'Oh I'm going to be doing family things! Lynch VE bro's, here are some scummers that are a good choice. Luckily I have alllll day to question him. That is, if he'll respond. @Snarfs Hey Snarfs, Snarfypoo. Can I call you Snarfypoo? You know, you're playing this Mafia game right now and it would be really cool if you did things. Two things: Why shouldn't I lynch you right now? and Top scumreads, minus VE. I know your stance on him. Give reasoning. Be cool and awesome like that. | ||
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