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On February 12 2013 14:28 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2013 14:17 yamato77 wrote:
So, Snarfs is not a good lynch because you're making association cases again?
I need better than that.
What about his play suggests town to you at all? He's tunneled VE all game and done shit else.
If the problem is that you view VE as mafia, I can address the points Sloosh raises against him some time tomorrow, but I want you to filter Snarfs and think about his alignment first. I already said with snarfs. I think he made his case on ve too early instead of establishing innocence and that was why he cops grief.
I think his case on VE was just an excuse to do nothing else that day.
I think his play day 2 shows a complete lack of interest in town's affairs, because it didn't matter to him who died since they were all town.
I think even his play today shows how little he cares about interacting with town and actually hunting scum, because he just comes in, plops down some reads and then AFKs.
He SHOULD get flak for this kind of play, because it's scummy.
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Prplhz has interacted with the thread more than Snarfs, has been more transparent than Snarfs, and most importantly, isn't matching my impression of mafia prplhz which is one of an uncaring attitude and even less contribution.
The evidence isn't SUPER strong, but I am confident in prplhz being town. Him coming to the correct conclusion from my analysis of him helps, too. Buddying ftw.
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I'm going to take a mulligan on my read on Snarfs/VE
I filtered the both of them and I think I might be wrong on the interaction there.
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Look at Cheese's read switch on me. It's incredibly scummy how he sets himself up to vote me and then keeps his vote on the same person as me.
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On February 12 2013 01:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Yamato
Because Jay said that Palmar said so I haven't really given a serious look at Yamato until today. I initially wrote him off, because he was the towniest Yamato I've ever seen. In our history, he was always flaming with bias and emotionally posting. He drove the JX lynch home, but it was more lazy posting instead of emotional. This game he is more level-headed, and I just kinda threw a 'leaning town' stamp on him and let it be. Palmar apparently was going for something with Yamato, and Jay just reiterated it. I still think it is bad how Jay went after Yamato like that, but I have to consider that maybe he / Palmar are right. I'm filter diving and coming to my own conclusions on Yamato. On Jay's points: Yamato's flip-flop on MocstaFrom Jay's case, I found it hard to get the grip on this point (he was basically summarizing). The first two pages on his filter are anti-Mocsta and then suddenly out of nowhere is: Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 12:54 yamato77 wrote:
I'm starting to come around to the idea of town Mocsta, actually. I believe he has a scum read on me, wrong or not. I'm not going to pick apart his case on me, because honestly it's too time consuming to do so, but rather, I'll say this: Reread what you've quoted with the idea that I'm town in your head, and you'll see what I've been doing this game. It does no good for you, as town, to continue to pursue me.
With that, I'd be behind a JX lynch. His one post is a "case" and vote on Mocsta. He was a QT spammer in our game together, and was far more active there than the thread, as opposed to his "carefree" town games like LIX. I'd be behind his lynch.
Palmar should also be on people's minds. No, you don't want to lynch Palmar D1 if he's town, but you don't exactly want him staying alive until tomorrow if mafia, either, so if he refuses to do anything for the rest of today I would say he should almost certainly be our lynch. A weak ass joke-vote on Prplhz is not meaningful contribution.
I don't like a Djodref lynch at the moment, but I need to reassess his posting from a more objective standpoint. I was giving him too much credit for his Mocsta read before. Still, I think he is perhaps not the best choice in front of people like JX/Palmar, so he's a backburner for me.
I don't know what's going on between VE/Snarfs, but I don't think people are cool with lynching VE so Snarfs needs some better contributions than a "case" on VE that I don't find to be good. His Mocsta alignment case wasn't getting any traction, so he switches base. This IS a bit odd. Especially for Yamato. The Yamato I know was always ridden with tunneling and never let up. Conceding his position is, from what I'd consider, unlikely for town Yamato. Also, this is bad reasoning for a town Mocsta from him: Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 13:14 yamato77 wrote:
I think Mocsta might be town because I don't think a mafia player went through the effort to make that huge response. -snip- Both alignments respond to cases. A matter of effort is not alignment indicative. JX VoteShow nested quote +On February 07 2013 12:57 yamato77 wrote:
Also,
##Unvote
##Vote JieXian
Or however you spell his name. Where was JX before in Yamato's thinking? I completely missed this tbh. Not much to say about it other than lolwut. List post:Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 13:08 yamato77 wrote:
In fact, let me go down my list and tell you guys exactly what I think of the game so far. I know you all hate list posts but whatever, deal with it.
TOWN
Oats
Sloosh
VE
Mocsta
Jay
Prplhz
CC
NULL
Djo
Phagga
MAFIA
Palmar
JX
Snarfs
The only thing left to do in this game is lynch into/see more of the bottom five and figure out which one is the town player. Right now I'd pick Djo.
I didn't list these in any particular order, but my town reads are all fairly decent at the moment. It would take a lot for me to change them. Lists are scummy brah. I have no idea why he thinks I'm town: We've barely even talked. I think our interactions are null at this stage? I don't recall him taking a look at me. Why is he writing me off as town? I'm less concerned about his scumreads, because those conclusions can come from either alignment. I just don't know why certain people have earned the Yamato green stamp of approval. Prphlz town read:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 01:11 yamato77 wrote:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=393344&user=126438This is prplhz's filter from LIX where he was mafia, lynched D1. While this is only somewhat useful on its own, what is important to note is how he was caught that game, which was through analysis of his meta. So, at the very least, we can assume that some of his posting this game is similar to how he usually plays mafia, and especially so at the beginning of the game. So what characteristics do we use to define that filter? Trollish, disconnected, and overall useless to town. Devoid of reads, or any real interaction. Yes, at some point he realized he was dead and did nothing, but that wasn't the whole day. At least some part of that filter is indicative of his meta, and he hasn't matched it at all this game. On February 06 2013 21:50 prplhz wrote:
I'm on page 15 and scrolling down and seeing who is discussing I just want to say something really quick.
Oatsmaster, Mocsta: Stop focusing on each other. Just by your activity neither of you are up for lynch right now so stop focusing on each other. Whatever useful you could be doing by arguing with each other you've done it by now so quit it and stop messing the thread up. It is bloating the thread and for hardly any reason. Take a deep breath and a step back and focus on something else, if you want better reads on each other then just reread your discussion, I'm sure there's something you missed.
Alright going to read page 15 now.
But seriously, quit it and do something else. This is his first post this game. What is he doing here? Caring about town, and actually giving out reads. Town reads, but reads nonetheless, and some insight into how he got them. This is a stark difference from the trolly attitude he got caught with in LIX. On February 07 2013 04:39 prplhz wrote:On February 07 2013 04:10 yamato77 wrote:
So, I'm mafia because I won't tell you why I think phagga might be town?
Lol. Okay. Sure. Waste today thinking that. Dude, just tell him now. You don't want slOosh and his case on your back today because you're going to end up getting lynched. The case is pretty decent and I'd say you stand a good chance of getting lynched today, or at the very least you're going to attract a lot of attention to yourself which is not something we generally want out of a townie on day 1. So just say what you found in phagga's filter that makes you see him as town in spite of how he has done things that put you on to your main scum read. Your excuse that you wont say because "mafia will just talk about it" doesn't hold. Your read is absolutely void unless you can explain it to other people in this thread so get going please. This post, he keeps with his pro-town theme and gives two more reads. He says I could be lynched, that he agrees with Sloosh's case. Again, he is thinking about who he wants to lynch, why he wants to lynch them, and being townie about it. The dude is green. Mainly a meta case and two quotes saying that he's pro town. Why doesn't Yamato think he can be mafia faking this sentiment? Eeerrrr it's such an easy thing to just slap this town label on someone and never rethink it. The only time I played scum was with Debears, and he did this stuff to me all the time. Beefed up my townie image by defending me and saying I was pro-town because 'insert midly townish post here'. It may be the same case here. Yamato TodayShow nested quote +On February 11 2013 12:45 yamato77 wrote:
One heuristic that I find important to mention about the behavior of people around yesterday's lynch is simple activity.
Assume that Sloosh and Mocsta are town. With Palmar's green flip, that means that I was wrong and mafia decided to make the lynch a choice between three town players. They don't care who dies, really, because any of the three is good for them. So mafia are more inclined to not care at all what happens yesterday. They lurk, slap their vote somewhere, and do nothing relevant to the game because there is zero chance of them getting lynched and they have no reason to push a mafia agenda.
So who fits this bill from yesterday? Snarfs, jay, and djo. Djo is the question mark of the three, because he simply didn't post at all. The other two, however, had very similar days and patterns of activity. They both slapped their vote on someone early, and then basically AFK'd. Right now, I think Snarfs is the best lynch because of this behavior and his similar behavior around the lynch day 1 where he didn't vote JX but rather put Hus vote on VE and used his 'case' as an excuse to not comment on the actual lynch. He should die today.
##Vote Snarfs
As for other reads, obviously I think jay is an acceptable alternative lynch candidate. I defended him early day 1 but since then he's done very little, which is more in line with how I view his scum meta. When he's town he at least cares enough to post his thoughts, but this game he's not even doing that anymore and is probably mafia for it.
Phagga is scummy, as others have outlined. I don't see him as red as I do snarfs or jay, but he's on my radar. If I was making a hypothetical scum team, I'd say the fourth might be Oats. In the past day his activity has dropped off a cliff and I don't know what his reads in the game are anymore. He seems to be sticking to his guns from day 1 but has no new information to support his reads and hasn't been very active in the game.
For town reads, Mocsta and Sloosh look really town to me, mostly from their play while under the gun. I'm more confident on Mocsta than Sloosh, but I would defend either one's towniness. VE and prplhz are also both town to me, despite other player's suspicions of them. If I need to defend them today, I will, because neither show scum traits to me at all.
Cheesecake, you asked for my read on you. You lean town to me, but you're real blendy and not at all confrontational like I think town CC is. I suppose you haven't been accused seriously yet, but you also aren't going out of your way to pressure your reads like I think town CC usually does. You're more null than I expected at this point in the game.
If you guys think I'm mafia for serious, come at me, but neither case from yesterday is at all good. I've been the towniest yamato of all time. Bring the cases on. Even if Snarfs fits that bill, this is a shitty reason to be voting people alone. I don't agree that we should be looking mainly at activity from the nomination lynch. It's like a cop-out on forming decent reads... Also, he just calls me blendy and null reads me when I ask him to look into me. Seriously, I give him a GOLDEN opportunity to get some information about me, which I will respond to. He just null reads like a boss. Why doesn't he want to snuggle up with me and get to know each other? Town Yamato loves to interact / cuddle with me. Scum Yamato is afraid because he knows I'll call him out on his BS. I'd consider lynching Yamato today. My gut tells me to go all wagon of justice lynch Snarfs mode. Unfortunately he's another fucking lurker right now. I need to hear more than 'Oh I'm going to be doing family things! Lynch VE bro's, here are some scummers that are a good choice. Luckily I have alllll day to question him. That is, if he'll respond. @SnarfsHey Snarfs, Snarfypoo. Can I call you Snarfypoo? You know, you're playing this Mafia game right now and it would be really cool if you did things. Two things: Why shouldn't I lynch you right now? and Top scumreads, minus VE. I know your stance on him. Give reasoning. Be cool and awesome like that.
This is AFTER he argues with jay about his case on me and calls it bad.
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Phagga, if that's the best you can do to discredit prplhz, I am not impressed. He is townier than you by a long shot.
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On February 13 2013 01:41 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Like, ugh, why aren't we lynching snarfs right now.
He fits scum absolutely perfectly.
Where is my vote?
VE's post last night was a bit reassuring. The fact that he didn't banwagon on to me when it was absurdly easy to do so is encouraging.
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You are retarded, but a lot of people can't read me (or read at all) this game, so I will give you a pass so we can see Snarfs die.
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On February 13 2013 02:14 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2013 01:40 yamato77 wrote:
Phagga, if that's the best you can do to discredit prplhz, I am not impressed. He is townier than you by a long shot. *facepalm* that was a general comment. I was not discrediting prplhz. The comments about him were just an example. And why are you never answering my questions?
I try not to waste my time talking to mafia.
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By that I mean I think I covered why I switched my read on Mocsta. I don't think a mafia player would go through the effort to make a case on me like that. It's far more likely for him to be town and think me mafia for attacking him than him being mafia and coming up with enough shit to throw at me to make me look bad for attacking him. My meta read was weak anyway, so it wasn't important for me to continue to bog down the thread with long responses to him just to get a better read on him.
If you have anything else, consolidate it into concise points, and I will respond equally concisely later.
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You mean before day 2 or during day 2? Before should be obvious. During, I withheld my reads because I didn't want to get swayed in my choice for the lunch based on people agreeing or disagreeing with reads that I made public beforehand. I did as Sloosh suggested and let the nominees take the forefront of the discussion.
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BAM!
I LOVE THE SMELL OF ROASTED MAFIA IN THE MORNIN'
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Why do you read phagga as town, prpl?
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Actually VE's conclusions about CC's alignment, and your alignment, speaks volumes to me. I see the possibility existing.
First of all, consider how day 1 went down. Who had a case shoved at them really early? Mocsta. Who defended him? Plenty of people. If he's mafia, some of those people are inevitably also mafia, but some of them are town. So day 2 rolls around, and mafia is aware of two scummy looking town players, and one mafia player who a bunch of people read town. What's the risk in putting Mocsta up? Slim to none. Palmar or Sloosh was almost assuredly going to die that day.
Lo and behold, a green head rolls, and Mocsta gets some cheap town cred for being in the gallows.
Day three, who were Mocsta's scum reads? Me, who he relentlessly tunneled to the point of ABSOLUTE STUPIDITY, only to drop it on a moment's notice when I made one small post about why I switched my read on him day 1. Why didn't he make a point about it being scummy day 1 if he actually viewed it that way? He was on my case, complaining at me, but was there even a peep about it then? Nope. He lynched JX happily along with me, so I thought at the time he read me town.
Then day 3 rolls around and it's all cool to have a scumread on me, so he does, because blendy scum is fucking blendy. He has to make up some stupid reason to have one, though, so he drums up some absurdly fake shit about how my read switches were "scummy" and I "drop my suspicions" too fast when the two previous days I stuck to my guns on JX and Palmar pretty fucking hard, and they both flipped town. Again, why is this popping up day 3? Opportunism. Just like his jump on to Snarfs:
On February 13 2013 09:22 Mocsta wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: Snarfs
Its actually pretty weird he hasnt been present at all recently; especially now he is vote leader, and cant even make a statement.
HOLY SHIT BATMAN THAT'S A SCUMMY VOTE RIGHT THERE.
Before this, he was shouting VE's name from the rooftops. "LYNCH HIM, HE'S SCUM!"
I call bullshit.
##Vote Mocsta
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Mocsta is one of my actual scum reads.
I'm trying to figure this game out, and lynching Mocsta first helps me tremendously in doing so, aside from the fact that he's nominated.
Phagga I read null. Everyone has called him scum all game casually, it's too easy. but he is scummy, so I need flips to prove him.
Prplhz I think is town. I'd be willing to bet on it tomorrow.
Today, though, we lynch Mocsta, because neither CC or Sloosh is a good candidate at all. CC being picked into this group is insanely silly for mafia to do. Sloosh might still be mafia, but Mocsta is the best candidate right now.
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Also of note is how I'm still a scumread of his yet he stopped pushing me yesterday as a read of his about the time the wagon on me died.
BLENDY.
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Lol this guy.
You have zero reason to be calling me scum aside from the fact that I'm calling you scum.
roflroflrofl
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Because you dying lets me know who else is mafia.
From 2 mafia flips, I can find the other two.
If I'm wrong, you're probably right and we can lynch VE.
But I don't think I'm wrong, and I don't think CC is mafia at all, so you get to die.
Unless you think I should want to kill Sloosh over you?
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By the way, you should have put me up as the person who was supposed to be lynched today, because I think more people read me mafia than town.
CC too easy.
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On February 14 2013 16:08 jaybrundage wrote:Show nested quote +On February 14 2013 15:45 yamato77 wrote:
Also of note is how I'm still a scumread of his yet he stopped pushing me yesterday as a read of his about the time the wagon on me died.
BLENDY. I stopped pushing you as well cause we needed town to consolidate. Thats why i went with VE instead. Regardless I dont think hes mafia. I think there isn't much of a case
The question is, who do you think is mafia TODAY?
You should think about it and consider it because I'm telling you, IT MATTERS.
If not Mocsta, who? I want to know. CC? Why? Sloosh? Why?
Give me some reasons.
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