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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
In all seriousness there isn't much to say about JX. JX was lurking hard and didn't contribute anything till some pressure was on him and even then he didn't produce much. I was having second thoughts about him per palmars post but no one wanted to lynch prplhz. I dont care if i bring your comments on Oats back to the limelight. If I think something you did was questionable I will call it out. You stated something I didn't agree with so I said as much. And are you fucking kidding me with this consolidation bit. Ofc we have to consolidate as town. If we don't it gives mafia more leeway to swing the vote. Also you your self were asking people to consolidate on JX so how is what you say even make sense. On February 08 2013 13:29 Mocsta wrote: I have had a re-read of Vers guide, and starting to look for specific things in play. Jay, you are pinging the shit out of my scum-dar. In a nutshell your filter contains - No useful contributions, other than you following a curiosity on RNG (which was never taking off) - You were a proponent of bringing back into the limelight my comments to Oats, when i already gave my 2cents. - You admit to having no contributions to add to town (as your explanation on the lack of posts) - You was the first people to lead the JX lynch; before anything was concrete And to top it off - Your last post reads as if you dont give a shit a townie just flipped. You instantly move on, thinking about scum nominations already. Its like you fucked him in a one night stand and then kicked him out and didnt even call a taxi. Even when prplhz is questioning you; you respond meekly, I believe with the intention to be ignored. It worked. Whilst this occured you were subtly asking everyone to consolidate on JX; but never contributed with serious thought on why he was the best candidate. This reeks to manipulation and scum play. Scummy townies often say things that are so stupid/wrong its easy to think they are trying to mislead as town. Your filter shows no signs of unintentional misleading, rather, when pressuring Jay you are EXTREMELY specific. Thus, for me, I see intentional play to drive your agenda: i.e.push JX as lynch candidate and remain low by making calculated decisions to show interest and responding methodically to blend in. @all Please share your thoughts on the above; do you see JayBrundage play as a bad townie? Also why do you ask if im a bad townie. Why not just ask if people think I'm scum? | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On February 08 2013 13:52 jaybrundage wrote: In regards to the bold isnt that what everyone does? In all seriousness there isn't much to say about JX. JX was lurking hard and didn't contribute anything till some pressure was on him and even then he didn't produce much. I was having second thoughts about him per palmars post but no one wanted to lynch prplhz. I dont care if i bring your comments on Oats back to the limelight. If I think something you did was questionable I will call it out. You stated something I didn't agree with so I said as much. And are you fucking kidding me with this consolidation bit. Ofc we have to consolidate as town. If we don't it gives mafia more leeway to swing the vote. Also you your self were asking people to consolidate on JX so how is what you say even make sense. Also why do you ask if im a bad townie. Why not just ask if people think I'm scum? Jay,
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
The mislynch occurred cause JX was lurking hard till pressure was applied to him. And he didn't respond in a townie way. I once heard a good town player say. That for the day one lynch the only thing you need to do as town is to make sure you aren't the jackass that gets lynched. You usually have to play badly for it to happen. Also yes I prefered JX to die over Palmar wasn't that clear. Your issue with consolidation isn't a real issue. It was the end of the day and I asked people to consolidate. | ||
yamato77
11589 Posts
In the mean time, I like Mocsta's train of thought about the lynch. Who seemed to not care? Reread and we'll talk about it on day 2. Peace. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
So if you dont see reasons for scum; how do you rate your town play this game as: pro-town, bad townie, or in the middle?? I still think we had different motives to consolidate. And I am still concerned you made a comment to consolidate and then fucked off. As I have said repeatedly, where is your commitment to developing your read via pressure/analysis/alternative means? Your play reads as if you dont care. All my questions regarding commitment you have dodged; why is that? Jay Do you have a top scum read? & why Who is your top town read? & why If you can answer these simple questions, that would go a way towards showing me you actually care. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
What im getting at is  for example)When prplhz questioned you for pressuring Djo. I stood up for you because I thought that pressure was useful for town. I was also pressuring Djo about the RNG, but was less effective (in part due to him pressuring me simultaneously). In the end you got an interesting result. (i.e. Djo didtn want to push the RNG on Oats [apparently] but still followed through) My issue is, with the above statement from Djo; you said, thats it, im satisfied and stopped pursuit. Personally I thought there was much more to develop with this lead. Its also not clear to me, if you thought the RNG is a town indicator. So to me, this is why i am reading you as contributing without contributing. You led some pressure, and then once you peeled the first layer of the onion off; you stopped as if you had done your duty. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On February 08 2013 14:42 yamato77 wrote: Let's wait and talk about reads after we see the day post. I don't want mafia getting any ideas about who is good to nominate. In the mean time, I like Mocsta's train of thought about the lynch. Who seemed to not care? Reread and we'll talk about it on day 2. Peace. Technically it is Day2. Also, if we dotn talk about it now; I think it will get forgotten when the nominees come out and we have to discuss them. | ||
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slOosh
3291 Posts
That said I was able to do a clean read with the JX flip in mind and I've gotten some pretty strong reads both town and scum from it. I have almost no doubt I'll be up for nomination tomorrow so I'm going to sit on my reads until dawn. Because I'm definite that scum will always put 3 townies up - they won't bother risking putting one of their own into the group unless it is certain that someone else will get lynched. And right now, it doesn't look like that's gonna happen. That said, we don't want to focus the discussion primarily on the candidates tomorrow. Because if three townies go up (probably the case), it is to scum's advantage to focus discussion on them. 1) Because it means attention drawn away from their selves. 2) Gives them ammunition to work off for future lynches. In any case the discussion should also be driven and moderated and lead by the candidates. You know it's gonna be at least 2 townies, so by following their lead we will have good (town motivated) direction. mmm .... for clarity's sake: I am sitting on my reads because I also have the unique advantage of a clean slate. If I give out a wrong town read, they can put one of themselves up and "gang up" on the 3rd townie. Thus with the flip I'd look bad and they can always draw attention away from themselves by pushing it onto me. If you are concerned by my absence, just let me take front and center tomorrow, so that I can have a great showing and (re)convince you otherwise. I think we had a great D1, and I highly encourage everyone to reread it. heh ... sounded like I was running for mayor or something :p | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
Tomorrow night we can begin scum hunting like normal, but tonight we need to consider the setup more closely and try to prepare ourselves to properly analyze the mafia picks tomorrow. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
Let's all afk until the day post and leave mafia to ruminate in silence. | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On February 08 2013 15:20 yamato77 wrote: Yes but we're not lyching our reads tomorrow, we're lynching who mafia pick. Giving out reads right now lets them play WIFOM games with who they picked and why. Better to let them make a tougher, less informed decision about the nominations than to give them ideas. Tomorrow night we can begin scum hunting like normal, but tonight we need to consider the setup more closely and try to prepare ourselves to properly analyze the mafia picks tomorrow. hmmm I guess it wont hurt to use this 24hrs to re-read the thread post the activity explosion last night, without feeling the need to constantly F5. K, I prob wont be back till post-dawn. It is Friday night after all  Ohh btw; I wont be available till prob 12 hrs into the next cycle (sat day is always hectic for me) | ||
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
On February 08 2013 15:23 yamato77 wrote: Seems Sloosh agrees with me, good stuff. Let's all afk until the day post and leave mafia to ruminate in silence. This is a terrible idea. You should never do this town your only cutting off discussion. Keep pressuring your scum reads. Keep pushing for lynch who you think will flip and hopefully obtain better reads from there content. @Mocsta For my top scum read I don't have one atm. I think Djo hasn't dont much still. But not sure on his alignment. For my top town meh its mostly nulls. I realize these are pretty shitty answers. But i wont pull answers out my ass either. When I have a read on someone I'll come out and present a case/pressure them. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
If you're just dying to know what I think, sit on this: Why are you so concerned with what I'm doing with my reads when you don't have any to talk about? There's plenty of information on the table to make some decent reads right now. The fact that you have none, not even a town read, is disturbing. | ||
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jaybrundage
United States3921 Posts
On February 08 2013 15:57 yamato77 wrote: Discussion about reads actually hurts town right now, don't you understand that? If you're just dying to know what I think, sit on this: Why are you so concerned with what I'm doing with my reads when you don't have any to talk about? There's plenty of information on the table to make some decent reads right now. The fact that you have none, not even a town read, is disturbing. I don't see discussion hurting town like ever in mafia. And i wasn't specifically calling you out I was saying the town in general. Unless Palmar disagree's with me I stick to my opinion. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On February 08 2013 16:01 jaybrundage wrote: I don't see discussion hurting town like ever in mafia. And i wasn't specifically calling you out I was saying the town in general. Unless Palmar disagree's with me I stick to my opinion. Why do you care at all about what Palmar has to say when he's done nothing this game? Discussion about reads hurts town right now. If you can't understand that, I don't even know what to say. If you want to talk about your itchy balls, go ahead, but telling people to give mafia ideas about who to pick is insane. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On February 08 2013 16:21 VisceraEyes wrote: Hi I'm drunks! We don't tslk about townreads at night in rrgulr games because scum just shoot them. In this one we don't know how they nominate or why. If we talk about scumreads maybe they put them up because they know they town. Or put up who everyonethinks is town. It only benifits scum. No one gonna die so no harm in waiting. Precisely. Thank you, drunk VE. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
It gets tricky though if scum are in everyones townreads. We cross that bridge when we see nominations. | ||
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VisceraEyes
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