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On February 08 2013 02:55 Snarfs wrote:
I'll answer your question but I need you to answer mine: Tell me why you think VE is "probably town". I just don't see him trying to find scum right now. And sure, maybe my meta is out of date, but that doesn't change the fact that he's still being all wishy-washy like in his reads.
First of all, notice how he starts "I think Snarfs might well be scum. So here's a little push in his direction, care of the guy who isn't pushing anyone." He's not aggressive, he's not interested.
Hell he's not even addressing me.
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I still don't like a Palmar lynch. I can't read Palmar like I can read VE. If I thought VE might be town I would be just as against a VE lynch as a Palmar lynch because they both have an uncanny ability to find scum as town.
Snarfs
I listed him as probable town, because I thought there was insight in the reads (that I had not considered and made sense to me) + I also liked the direction he was trying to give.
I also liked the way he interjected with the oats/mocsta feud. When it happened live, I had my doubts on VE (you can tell with how I responded to him).. but re-reading the interactions several times I thought he tried to repair the situation in a very pro-town manner. I know scum can ask to stop in-fighting as well; but i dont think they had to provide the effort VE used.
Regardless of if you like it or not.. his insight on your post in my opinion was reasonable (i.e. you voted him for leaving, because you knew oats/myself were town).. perhaps Im biased to this outcome because I know I am town, and I think oats is town.
He has further reads on others, that again, I thought the insight made sense.
Check out this Snarf
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=394344&user=117978¤tpage=All
That is VE filter from Normal Mini 4 (last week, he was town)
Here is his first vote.. starts off a bit like his case on you.
On January 26 2013 17:35 VisceraEyes wrote:Okay so far I think iamp is the scummiest. Earlier he asked me if I was serious about my accusation of thrawn. Looking back I noticed this in his filter. Show nested quote +On January 26 2013 09:47 iamperfection wrote:On January 26 2013 09:22 Promethelax wrote:On January 26 2013 09:18 Vivax wrote:
That's good news! Marv is on town's side! Too quick to believe marv. Miller in c9++ is in 40% of games. Look at the bugs/palmar argument in YAN. There is a good reason for scum to claim miller too. ##Vote: Vivax was this a serious vote because if it is very weak Vivax been very posty after having an avenue to not be with his pre game post. I want to know if you actually think vivax is mafia when you get back. Show nested quote +On January 26 2013 11:20 iamperfection wrote:
your vote on vivax serious prom? In this post he appears to be suspicious of prom for his vote on Vivax. What strikes me however is that if he's suspicious of Prom, he's basically telling Prom how to answer to make himself less suspicious. Why would he do this as a townie? As scum I can see reason for him to coach Prom through to the correct response regardless of Prom's alignment, but why would iamp do that as town? Especially given his response to my calling him out: Show nested quote +On January 26 2013 11:28 iamperfection wrote:On January 26 2013 11:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
iamp do you have any opinions on what's going on or do you plan to uselessly ask people if "they're serious" all game? Well if i told you how i think he would answer with regards to his alignment it would kind of defeat the purpose. It would kind of at that. ##Vote: iamperfection
The point regarding lacking scum hunt initiative that you raised has piqued my interest enough I would drop VE to leaning town (i.e. still have relatively carefully the motive).
But in the end I am willing to take a risk on VE, even if in teh obs qt everyone says he conned me good.
Im still stuck with you though.
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Snarfs
What do you make of this whole Oats situation, specifically the 180' swap on Palmar JX highlighted (of all people)
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On February 08 2013 03:17 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 03:16 prplhz wrote:
I'm not sure. I want to lynch jaybrundage but no one else likes that lynch. I want to lynch Palmar but I see no reason to do it right now when we might as well just do it later.
I actually like Snarfs case on VisceraEyes. Can you point me in the direction of a case on Jay? How do you feel of him personally? He's been fairly elusive to me. Only thing he's done is call out Djo for obvious reasons from what I remember.
Well, that's kind of the case. He is elusive and calls out people for obvious reasons and seems perfectly happy about that. I already wrote that with a lot more words but I think you nailed it in one sentence.
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On February 08 2013 03:18 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 03:17 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On February 08 2013 03:16 prplhz wrote:
I'm not sure. I want to lynch jaybrundage but no one else likes that lynch. I want to lynch Palmar but I see no reason to do it right now when we might as well just do it later.
I actually like Snarfs case on VisceraEyes. Can you point me in the direction of a case on Jay? How do you feel of him personally? He's been fairly elusive to me. Only thing he's done is call out Djo for obvious reasons from what I remember. Well, that's kind of the case. He is elusive and calls out people for obvious reasons and seems perfectly happy about that. I already wrote that with a lot more words but I think you nailed it in one sentence.
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On February 08 2013 02:54 jaybrundage wrote:
In response to prplhz about my pressure on Djo. I pressured Djo because I didn't like the way he was posting and using his RNG lynch to avoid discussion. I still don't see him as town and think people have let him go to quick as silly town.
As i stated tho we need to consolidate and i would be fine doing it on JX. While he started posting he is doing a terrible job of establishing his townieness and i still think he can flip scum. Also how the votes are spread out makes me think that JX has an even likelier chance to flip scum.
Palmar I would would like your thoughts on the JX lynch
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Who do you actually want to lynch prp? So far NO strong scum reads.
You need to vote, where is it gonna be?
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JX
I know people are off your back due to the 180' case on Oats. but I would like an answer to my last questions.
On February 08 2013 02:46 Mocsta wrote:
JX
I know your getting smashed from all angles about being scum.
Can you please summarise in dot point, what actions you have taken to establish your innocence this game?
In my opinion your posting much like your last scum game.
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Referring to:
+ Show Spoiler +On February 08 2013 02:54 JieXian wrote:OatsWants to lynch Palmar: Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 12:01 Oatsmaster wrote:
I dont care if Palmer is town actually at this point, he hasnt posted enough for ANYONE to get a read on him
Vets cannot let their reputation carry the game for them, especially since there are no nightkills in this game so its not like he is gonna die day 1 if he is really good.
This is a pure LURKER lynch.
Mr CC has contributed more than him and he replaced like 12+ hours later.
##Unvote
##Vote: Palmer. Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 18:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
I am voting for Palmer because he knows better, he really does. At least I hope so :/ Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 20:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
The problem is that he skates by by his reputation, which I dont think is a good way to play and is abhorrent to the notion of playing to win
he didnt say anything about being busy, nothing is indicated in his tone that he is busy.
He is just trolling. And I dont care how 'good' he is, this play shouldnt be encouraged.
Talking about Palmer by the way. Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 23:18 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok lynching Palmer in 2 days.
IMMINENT.
Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 01:32 Oatsmaster wrote:
Mr CC
Why are we not lynching Palmer today, given that he has produced NOTHING of actual worth? Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 01:38 Oatsmaster wrote:
CC, why should Palmer get a pass just cause he is good at town? I dont see any indication of it so far. Do you want to lynch based on reputation or scummyness CC? Since you said that his behaviour was scummy if it was from a 'new' person, why is it not scummy if it is from him? But suddenly makes a U turn and magically digs out a quote from Marv. I have no idea how someone could have not known that that quote existed earlier for quoting it now. Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 02:19 Oatsmaster wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: JieXian
You ask why? Cause he sheeped onto Palmer. Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 02:29 Oatsmaster wrote:The reason why I think Palmar is town this game, much to my regret is, On January 03 2013 09:01 marvellosity wrote:On January 03 2013 08:54 Toadesstern wrote:On January 03 2013 08:48 marvellosity wrote:
Toad, stop trolling as well. Enough. If you're being serious, you're scum, so I can only presume you're trolling. Why because if you think that killing wbg-town is a "win" situation, then you must be scum. So you must be trolling. So stop it. Anyway, I could explain a little more why Palmar could be scum. Palmar and I both play scum or town in a certain kind of way. When we're town we're usually active and trying to figure things out, and it's obvious we're interested. Or maybe Palmar looks totally uninterested, and that's usually when he's town as well. It's when Palmar (and me) *pretend* to be interested that we're more likely to be scum. There's no need to pretend as town and generally neither of us do. Everything Palmar posted so far took him absolutely no effort and he just made a bunch of posts in the thread to look like he's here and he cares and shit, although actually there's no evidence that this is the case. All of you are going "omg Palmar posting a lot, probably town", but if it's taken him a combined total of 5 minutes to make all his posts then this doesn't actually ring true. It's just a way of establishing some credit early because everyone thinks Palmar is just uninterested as scum. Anyway, Palmar could yet have just been coming into the thread having some "fun" or whatever, so we'll see what effort he wants to put into the game tomorrow. WTF? Someone tell me how this isn't scummy
It wasn't about the 180 per se, but the way he suddenly pulled out a quote from MARV (not palmar) from an earlier game after more that 12 hours of wanting to spamming the thread wanting to lynch Palmar.
Futhermore, look at his first response to me:
On February 08 2013 02:58 Oatsmaster wrote:
JX, is there a scum motivation for my 180?
Cause the town motivation is to stop a mislynch.
"I was trying to save a townie! How is that scummy?!?!"
I caught you with your pants down man.
Oats has done nothing to contribute to town this game. All he did was:
1) Quarrel with mocsta
2) random 1 liner pressuring
3) Tunnel Palmar
4) magically digs out a quote to save Palmar
5) Taunting the guy who has points out he's scummy
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On February 08 2013 03:24 Mocsta wrote:JXI know people are off your back due to the 180' case on Oats. but I would like an answer to my last questions. Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 02:46 Mocsta wrote:
JX
I know your getting smashed from all angles about being scum.
Can you please summarise in dot point, what actions you have taken to establish your innocence this game?
In my opinion your posting much like your last scum game.
You can read the mafia QT
My first lines were: Going to be my normal self
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Arnt Palmar's quote's somewhat biased in his favor JX?
And you still havent addressed how any of the 5 things you pointed out are scummy, its basically as summary of my filter. Well done.
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Btw I play some noob poker and I am aware of meta and using it to your advantage: Get a tight image at the table and you can start bluffing.
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ie I will always be aware of my meta and try to use it to my advantage, like the only thing I did well was trick Djo in that game where I was aware of my meta and played the same way. It's really like poker, play big and small hands the same way
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On February 08 2013 03:24 Oatsmaster wrote:
Who do you actually want to lynch prp? So far NO strong scum reads.
You need to vote, where is it gonna be?
No, I don't have any strong scum reads and that's annoying because there are a lot of scum so some of them should be obvious already now (hopefully). I don't know who I will vote, I have a list of people I don't want to vote but that doesn't help me much. I want to lynch jaybrundage as I have already said a bunch of times but that's not a strong scum read (just the best I have) and it's not actually a lot that nobody else likes it.
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On February 08 2013 03:28 Oatsmaster wrote:
Arnt Palmar's quote's somewhat biased in his favor JX?
And you still havent addressed how any of the 5 things you pointed out are scummy, its basically as summary of my filter. Well done.
the summary says you're doing absolutely nothing to figure out the game. You're yelling random crap.
You're scum.
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I am not buying JX case on Oats.
Yes Oats did a 180', but the Marv post was convincing.
Why couldnt Oats have just found that post? All the vets have been posting links of past games; why is it scummy Oats opened Mafia LVIII and ctrl+f "palmar" and found that marv quote.
I never read Mafia LVIII but I still know Palmar trolled that game as town. As his last game, if doing meta read, is it not relevant to search that game for content?
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Fact is, before this JX case, he was scummy as fuck.
Why are we off JX; he finds one issue with Oats play; throws out WIFOM bomb, and suddenly is clear?
WE NEED TO CONSOLIDATE
JX case is made throughout the thread.
- Flip-flops votes (Mocsta -> Palmar etc)
- Spamming about misinterpretations in posts
- Doesnt contribute until under the pump and near the lynch deadline
- Play is mimicking is scum game from Normal Mini 4
JX in this game is not lynch-bait; what has he done that is actually town motivated.
I have had to ask this question to him twice, and still havent received a response.
The goal of Day1 deadline is to lynch the player with the highest chance of being scum.
Can can this NOT be JX?
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Please consolidate and lead with a vote on JX
On February 08 2013 02:23 Mocsta wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: JieXian
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I'm willing to consolidate onto JX.
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Getting lazy JX,
When playing scum I did that too, sadly saying scum 10000 times to someone doesnt make him scum. Oh well, you live and learn
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On February 08 2013 03:29 JieXian wrote:
Btw I play some noob poker and I am aware of meta and using it to your advantage: Get a tight image at the table and you can start bluffing.
Speaking poker terms.
Its often the short stack has to all-in to feign the power hand.. all to claim the blinds.
Analogies can apply any way you see fit.
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On February 08 2013 03:24 Mocsta wrote:JXI know people are off your back due to the 180' case on Oats. but I would like an answer to my last questions. Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 02:46 Mocsta wrote:
JX
I know your getting smashed from all angles about being scum.
Can you please summarise in dot point, what actions you have taken to establish your innocence this game?
In my opinion your posting much like your last scum game.
and I'm not going to give you any fucking bullet points because the only thing any of you had on me was that I wasn't around.
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On February 08 2013 03:33 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm willing to consolidate onto JX.
I hope thats in refernce to my request directly above 
Pretty please
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On February 08 2013 03:35 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 03:24 Mocsta wrote:JXI know people are off your back due to the 180' case on Oats. but I would like an answer to my last questions. On February 08 2013 02:46 Mocsta wrote:
JX
I know your getting smashed from all angles about being scum.
Can you please summarise in dot point, what actions you have taken to establish your innocence this game?
In my opinion your posting much like your last scum game. and I'm not going to give you any fucking bullet points because the only thing any of you had on me was that I wasn't around.
How about your first fuckn post voting me.
you dont even exlpain why it is now "invalid"
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On February 08 2013 03:35 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 03:24 Mocsta wrote:JXI know people are off your back due to the 180' case on Oats. but I would like an answer to my last questions. On February 08 2013 02:46 Mocsta wrote:
JX
I know your getting smashed from all angles about being scum.
Can you please summarise in dot point, what actions you have taken to establish your innocence this game?
In my opinion your posting much like your last scum game. and I'm not going to give you any fucking bullet points because the only thing any of you had on me was that I wasn't around.
P.S. town dont talk about what "you got on me"
they talk about proving their innocence. Because the cases are not valid in the first place.
Your mentality is the wrong way; thats a behaviour trait of scum.
Theres no turning back from taht one.
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