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The reason I think VisceraEyes might be scum is something I also hinted to yesterday.
On February 08 2013 07:38 prplhz wrote:
@VisceraEyes Why are you so anxious to get rid of Palmar right now? No one said it could last forever. Why would we take the fact that he is Palmar away from the equation considering that .... he is Palmar?
I didn't know Palmar's alignment here (and I don't know but I'm more sure now), he could be town or he could be scum. I knew about Death Note Mafia (I think, at least I know that it's not that much time ago Palmar was lynched as a townie for lurking too much, probably Death Note Mafia I knew about) but I also know that he doesn't particularly enjoy playing scum to playing town. What I do know is that is Palmar is town then he is someone scum would want to get rid of but in this game they can't get rid of him through night kills, they'll have to push his lynch. Yesterday was good for that because Palmar was not here and there was some support for a lurker lynch. You might say "Why didn't they just wait until today, now we're mostly lynching him on our own" but I don't think they wanted to take that risk, Palmar might come back and have their asses before today. VisceraEyes is a guy who can push a lynch on Palmar. Additionally, I think I also get what Snarfs and Palmar are talking about, VisceraEyes is slightly more benign and he's not taking charge even though he's really good at that. I think VisceraEyes pushed that lynch irrationally because he saw an opportunity to get rid of Palmar. It wasn't just the "lets forget who he is and just lynch him" thing, it was also a bunch of other things that made him seem "anxious" in an unsettling way.
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Might say that that is an associative tell but the main point is that VisceraEyes irrationally pushes Palmar and that's the only time he's really bothered to take charge of this game.
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Thought I'd already voted but...
##Vote Palmar
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Yea okay.
I think we should lynch Mr. Cheesecake because I think he is scum. I read some of his earlier games and he seems to be posting a lot more impulsively in those games. He has a ton more one liners, even about important things.
British Empire Mafia
Witchcraft Mafia
Examples include:
On January 05 2013 12:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 12:37 yamato77 wrote:
Do people really think it was that difficult to understand what I said?
Anyway CC your case is bad and I think you're faking this read. I don't think Xatalos is that scummy, but he is an easy target.
CC is scummy.
##Vote: Mr Cheesecake Lol k
On January 04 2013 11:42 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2013 11:40 MrZentor wrote:
I feel that creating an arbitrary limit will only limit town, regardless of whether that limit is one that shortens or lengthens the day.
We should instead have guidelines.
48-72 hours ^ Agree with this sentiment
On January 05 2013 15:15 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 15:10 jaybrundage wrote:
You dont know DP alignment if your town. So I find it ironic that your thinking hes town. I made a comment on his post concerning his wishy washiness.
So much wrong with this post.
Some from Witchcraft Mini Mafia:
On December 23 2012 04:58 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2012 04:57 Hapahauli wrote:I mean what more do we need to lynch this guy? On December 23 2012 04:30 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 04:27 Hapahauli wrote:A list of Eywa's analysis and scumhunting today:
On December 23 2012 03:37 Eywa- wrote:
##unvote
##vote Djodref On December 23 2012 03:50 Eywa- wrote:On December 23 2012 03:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On December 23 2012 03:37 Eywa- wrote:
##unvote
##vote Djodref If this isn't clue enough to lynch Eywa, I don't know what is. His posture early game was hyper aggressive and face-smashing into people. Now he's just too timid and sheepy because he knows that I've got him pinned and he's guilty. Scum want to push this Djo lynch right now. I can make my posture be whatever I want it to... It's not difficult, you can't see my expression or read if I'm lying. If I tell you that I expect this game to end in scum victory and I tell you I think Hapahauli is scum and then I tell you I am only telling the truth in one... You can't tell which it is, you can't tell if the last statement is true either, there's no emotion put into any of these.
Otherwise, the entirety of D3 he's been floundering around helpless to identify rationale a single one of his reads. I haven't offered any scum reads this game... So D3 isn't special. "Yeah, ya know all those scumreads and stuff I was doing early the game? They were all lies, I never believed one of them and never had a scumread." This.
Here are some from his newbie mini games where he doesn't even bother to type anything, he doesn't even bother to explain himself, why would the other townies not intuitively see it from his point of view like he does?
On December 05 2012 11:59 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2012 11:51 Oatsmaster wrote:
CC, context for the Lol Im town,
Axle asked me what I would do pretending that I am town, after he asked me what I would do if I was scum.
the LOL I'm town wasn't necessary, could have just rolled with it. Seemed weird to me.
And about my way of playing? If that is scummy to you then ok, each to his own.
CC, how many times have you been like,
Ok he is not that suspicious, then when you read his filter, it has some scummy stuff and not much town stuff.
I did this for Clarity in XXX actually, I had a town read, I thought Djo was scum but when I read his filter, I was astounded at the slight scumtells.
Sometimes. But certainly not this early and when I was there for it.
If it is your opinion on why the kickstart case is bad then so be it, I cant change that.
On November 03 2012 10:35 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2012 10:33 Rad wrote:
@Obzy
We don't want lurkers. That's the reason for the policy lynch. Force people to not lurk. We want active conversation from EVERYONE as that's best for town. This ^
These examples are in no way exhaustive, you can check out the filters yourself. My point is that in those town games Mr. Cheesecake will sometimes read a post and then have a thought and then his fingers will just instantly type it out and press enter. No fear. There's none of that in this game. Very few one liners and mostly about some that has nothing to do with this game such as his work schedule or snow storm or whatever. Because he is scum he thinks more about his posts and that results in more consolidation than usual.
Also how he reacts in face of accusations. Here is a quote from this game where I prod him.
On February 08 2013 04:25 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 04:06 prplhz wrote:On February 08 2013 04:04 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Fuck it, YOLO
##vote: jiexian
I dont see it going any other way. Everyone is yelling die scum die. This is some scummy shit. Indeed it is. We're lynching JX today with anyway with or without my vote . Who the heck are you gonna vote prphlz?
Here's very calm and collected here, first a little self deprecating, then he tries to downplay it and then he tries to redirect attention onto me.
Contract these posts (including one from above)
On January 05 2013 12:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2013 12:37 yamato77 wrote:
Do people really think it was that difficult to understand what I said?
Anyway CC your case is bad and I think you're faking this read. I don't think Xatalos is that scummy, but he is an easy target.
CC is scummy.
##Vote: Mr Cheesecake Lol k
He can't even take it seriously.
On January 06 2013 03:41 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2013 03:32 jaybrundage wrote:On January 05 2013 15:37 Hapahauli wrote:
So regarding Jay's stuff on DP... it doesn't look very good. It looks a lot like he's trying to shovel shit on DP.
After Hero Mini, my view on Jay is that he's lynch-bait, so I'm rather hesitant about lynching him. Right now, I'm unsure how likely his behavior is coming from a "town-Jay." His play on it's face is scummy, but I really need to hear more from him.
@ Jay
What do you make of my newly disclosed town-read on DP? Agree or disagree?
Secondly, your quote accusing DP of assuming I was town was very clearly mis-interpreting his actions (in which he very clearly qualified as only IF I was town). It doesn't look very good. Explain yourself. First off you said you have done this before how many times have you done this tunneling on DP and out of the times you have done it how many times have you been wrong. If you play with DP alot and you can read him consistently then I will reconsider my position. The reason I find him scummy as been said before. Is his flip flopping on Hapa from hes obv completly with out a doubt scum to i have no fucking idea. It seemed to me like scum backing off of a mislynch they were pushing gone wrong. I personally put alot less faith in reading people's reactions to when they are about to be or going to be lynched. The quote was me being frustrated with DP's flip flopping he has gone from scum to town to scum now giving someone townie cred for the possibility of one of his scum reads being town. So yes he did change his opinion on hapa again. I didnt say anything wrong. Also I dont like CC hes doing absolutely nothing this game. He has made some worthless comments about concentrating on finding scum. He was mentioning the DP-Hapa conversations early one with out giving his opinion on him hasn't commentated much on it when DP was doing some scummy stuff. On January 05 2013 11:22 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
So Xatalos is scummy yo
So now DarthPunk is possibly scum and he provides a quote with a bunch of dem bolded statements to back it up. But didn't Xatalos just say that DP was looking town? That he agreed with a lot of what he had to say? This is a huuuuuge 180 right here. He just felt very comfortable with DP being town. Now he feels uneasy.
Dat 180 on DP. Explain. He makes a case on Xalatos for making a 180 on DP and calls him scummy for it. However when DP does so many 180s on Hapa hes trying to pull off a 900. CC doesn't give it a second thought although DP is doing the samething as Xalatos CC ignores it. CC has played like he has more knowledge on other townies. He would of known if DP and Hapa were town or not so he played accordingly. Also his lack of anything in his filter is really disconcerting. He has said useless 1 liners. And made a case of 180s that were exactly what DP was doing. ##Unvote
##Vote Mr.CheeseCake I've done absolutely nothing? Watch your tongue, scumster, you've done nothing as well. Your vote is pretty lulzy considering I called you out on your attempted cheap shot at DP. Also, anything DP-Hapa related is completely independent of Xalatos. DP's 180s aren't the same as his by any means.
In face of accusations in British Empire Mini Mafia he pretty much just says "get the fuck out" but his tone is remarkably different in these posts than in the post from this game.
I really think that this guy is scum and I'd prefer if we lynched him today.
##Vote Mr. Cheesecake
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On February 12 2013 04:33 slOosh wrote:
Really ... nothing on VE huh ...
I wrote something on VisceraEyes yesterday. I also think he's scum but I'm more sure of Mr. Cheesecake.
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On February 12 2013 07:07 phagga wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2013 06:38 VisceraEyes wrote:
Phagga I wasn't convinced Palmar was scum at the time of the prplhz vote. It wasn't until my exclamation in the thread that I thought Palmar was scum. It was strictly a lurker lynch at that point, with slight scummy undertones based on his lack of contribution. What I thought at the time was that if Palmar came back and actually did something, he'd be town and his lynch of prplhz would go through. Or, yes, that he was scum and bussing his mate...but at the time fo the post in question, I wasn't convinced Palmar was actually scum (hence the unvote ).
I'm sorry I couldn't understand what you were asking earlier. I hope this clears that up. Noted. I'd like to hear what others think about the points I brought up. I'm off to bed now.
Didn't like the first, liked the second.
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People are completely ignoring my analysis again.
Great.
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Well I don't like that Snarfs has been walking his dog for like 24 hours.
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Oh well, I might fall asleep soon.
##Vote VisceraEyes
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VisceraEyes also goes crazy when he is scum and up for lynch.
On April 13 2012 06:17 VisceraEyes wrote:![[image loading]](http://i601.photobucket.com/albums/tt97/x0Pancakey0x/RAGEQUIT.jpg)
Just in case you think his crazy can only be townie.
I don't particularly care about this lynch though, Snarfs has been walking his dog for 24 hours and I know he gets stressed as scum.
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I'm not gonna flip scum though.
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My apathy concerning D3 lynch was because my case was ignored and the two people up for lynch were almost just as scummy as each other in my opinion. If you're gonna lynch phagga because I'm scum then you should really lynch me first so that you can reconsider phagga in the light of my flip.
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In around 1 hour 40 mins.
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On February 15 2013 00:21 phagga wrote:prplhz: What is your stance on Mr. Cheesecake now after yesterdays events? Also: Show nested quote +On February 14 2013 04:03 prplhz wrote:
My apathy concerning D3 lynch was because my case was ignored and the two people up for lynch were almost just as scummy as each other in my opinion. If you're gonna lynch phagga because I'm scum then you should really lynch me first so that you can reconsider phagga in the light of my flip. There is no reason as a townie to ask for your mislynch, and you should know it. What the hell are you trying to achieve?
I might be getting a little annoyed or bored with the game.
It makes perfect sense that if they're lynching me regardless of your aligment, and lynching you based on my alignment, then they better lynch me first so they can make a more informed decision about you.
Yes, I still want to lynch Mr. Cheesecake. I'm a bit more unsure of his alignment after his nomination but I don't think either slOosh or Mocsta are as likely to be scum. Trying to think through the nominations and we have tons of time.
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On February 15 2013 00:55 phagga wrote:
If you look at the nomination for D1, you see a lurking Palmar, a sloosh that just got heat for his low activity on the end of D1 and a Mocsta who has established himself as town. Therefor, if any of the three are mafia, Mocsta is your best bet, as the chances at start of D1 look pretty good for him. However, in that case the scum team would have known that sloosh and Palmar are town. They must have seen slooshs post that he will be more active D2 and prove that he is indeed town. Also, Palmar could come back any time, bring out his best play and rape the scum team (noone knew why he was lurking at that point). Do you really think that with this knowledge, the scum team would risk a player that has established himself successfully as town?
I personally doubt it.
Unless slOosh and Mocsta are both scum, but that doesn't make much sense either. I like this post.
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On February 15 2013 08:20 slOosh wrote:
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prplhz has not produced any meaningful content since the first cycle. He is very detached from the game and it is difficult to see any investment in his filter in trying to figure stuff out, or pushing for viable lynches. His cheesecake case came in at a time when the discussion is clearly centered VE vs Snarfs - it is totally detached from the game. Mr CC said that he found this a ballzy to make a case on someone who can't get lynched, but I'd repeat the same sentence with a different emphasis. Scum have plenty to gain by making a case on someone who can't get lynched, because they look like they are scumhunting but the backlash of a townie flip isn't there. You have posts like this where he likes Snarf's case but doesn't have any opinions on Snarfs himself (usually when you like a case someone else makes, you would have some degree of town tell on them wouldn't you?)
jaybrundage brought up the same point and it's really dumb. If I had not written a case on Mr. Cheescake then I would not have pushed my biggest scum read and then you would have attacked me for not pushing my biggest scum read. You're putting me in a lose/lose situation and that's dumb. Using that logic, any player whose biggest scum read is outside of the discussed players is scum and that's obviously wrong. At the same time you're saying that I never believed that Mr. Cheesecake could be lynched which is also wrong. I was really hoping that case would get some more attention than it did but again I was pretty much ignored. Being ignored so much probably put a damper on my interest in this game.Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 03:16 prplhz wrote:
I actually like Snarfs case on VisceraEyes. Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 08:28 prplhz wrote:On February 08 2013 08:20 Mocsta wrote:
Hmmm this ve stuff phagga in conjunction with snarfs case isnt looking good for ve.
[...] You can't mention Snarfs case as reasonable for possibily lynching VisceraEyes when you have said (repeatedly) that it isn't a good case. I can do that, however, since I've always liked Snarfs case. I don't like the looks of VisceraEyes. I'll lynch him over JieXian. Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 10:01 prplhz wrote:On February 08 2013 09:23 phagga wrote:
prplhz: You wrote twice that you want to lynch jaybrundage, but never voted him. Now you have voted VE without giving reasons. Why is he now the better lynch then jay? I gave reasons. Snarfs case and your analysis. I don't know if he is a better lynch, but jaybrundage isn't getting lynched at all. I just don't like the JieXian lynch. Show nested quote +On February 10 2013 09:50 prplhz wrote:
I'm still leaning scum on VisceraEyes and I don't really know about Snarfs either.
I haven't bothered making a case because I would think it is painfully obvious by now, and it's disturbing why we haven't a spoken consensus to lynch him tomorrow.
I'm not scum though, I doubt it's painfully obvious that I'm something which I am not.
phagga also isn't scumhunting, but it isn't as blindingly obvious as the lurker prplhz. Look at his lines of questioning - they are painfully weak and it's not so much him trying to gather information to make conclusions, but just asking around. The two biggests reads he has had in the game, yamato and VE were dropped when town sentiments were different. He is go-with-the-flow blendy scum.
Probably not though.
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