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Ok srlys can we get a vote count?
Also
##Unvote ##Vote Mocsta
While I think we have 3 townies up for lynch. I think it would be dumb to kill the best scum hunter i know. Scum will want to nail Palmar and kill him when they get the chance. But the way i see it we shouldn't let them have that chance. We have the best scum catcher in TL and people are considering lynching him. If he is down to play we should keep him. I suggest we lynch Mocsta or SlOosh I'll be moving my vote on who ever has the better chance to get lynched. (If we could get vote count)
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On February 11 2013 10:33 Mocsta wrote: Well jay, sorry to say this, but im pretty sure that vote change is after the deadline.
will see what mr. mod says.
luckily you voted before, otherwise may have been modkillable. What the dead line is in about 12 mins. And why would it be modkillable? are you kidding it?
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CC change your vote away from Palmar why would you get rid of the best scum hunter in tl....
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Man that Palmar wagon looks scummy as hell
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Im not happy this was a shitty pick for a lynch
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On February 11 2013 11:52 Mocsta wrote:im still keen to vote phagga; and I still dont like his response(s) to the scum slip catch. I still think it was genuine as per (scum slip written on phone) However, there is so much doubt in the thread with yamato currently, which is the main reason I am holding back voting phagga. I am waiting for his response to what has been highlighted as issues. With Jay; thats a hard one. I cant guage if its just a guy pissed off; or a guy looking for town cred. Im leaning towards guy pissed off due to: Show nested quote +On February 10 2013 12:36 jaybrundage wrote: Palmar I will change my vote for you but if you change your mind and decide to play then I will do my best to change the direction of the lynch. The balls in your court.
##Unvote ##Vote Palmar He wanted Palmar in from the start of the nomination; just wanted from him more effort. I dont have a problem he voted me; I said from the start, if palmar and sl0osh could promise motivation/activity, then I would be happy to be voted off. Jay thought palmar promised more; i dont think he did. Prob comes down to that.
Rofl how is calling the shitty lynch shitty trying to get town cred. If anything I knew it was "scummy" to fling shit on the palmar lynch. But at that time i was to busy being pissed off to give a fuck. If we had had a consistent vote count I would of acted sooner. But I really didn't know where we stood on whos getting lynched.
Also I don't redact anything that I said. I think that at least 2-3 of the scum are on the Palmar Wagon. Think about it Palmar is a town monster. (The main reason I didn't want to lynch him) Scum will be afraid of him and they should. I have seen this guy legit call out the entire scum team day 1. Needless to say we (I was on the scum team) Shot his ass day 1.
Look over what palmar said and consider his reads. He is known for being an amazing town player for a reason. I also am still pissed off at you fuckers btw for lynching him. Ugh so aggravating.
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YAMATO
Cause Palmar said so
WELP HERE WE GO Well first of all there's this
On February 10 2013 21:57 Palmar wrote:I think you guys should lynch a few people, but should I flip I want you guys to not forget that however good you think my scumreads are, any mediocre player with updated reads is more valuable than a dead great player with his old reads. Not to mention I'm not invested far enough into this game to actually consider my reads worth too much. Anyway, I think yamato, prplhz, snarfs, phagga, visceraeyes and cheesecake should be in the initial round of scum. I guess VE should not be strongly considered in this group unless I'm wrong about prplhz, but who knows. I'm fairly certain 2-4 of those players are scum. This leaves the group of me, mochsta, JX, oat, jay, djodref and sloosh as most likely 5-7 townies. jay and djodref are the ones I like the least. I'm not going to bother you guys with detailed PR cases (that's what I really call them, I actually write cases to convince town, not to prove people are mafia). I'm just going to pick out scum and tell you why in short.
Yamato is most likely scum. He basically seems to be picking a target that looks like it could die and then going for him. The giveaway part for me is how he's pushing his reads. Notice how often he seems to be looking for reasons to lynch people instead of looking for people who are scum: Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 22:48 yamato77 wrote: What town needs now is to consolidate, and I don't think anyone would oppose a JX lynch. It's quite interesting yamato77 already made it quite clear what he was going to do when JX predictably flipped town: Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 10:27 yamato77 wrote: Regardless of the JX flip I think Palmar is claiming mafia to us with that last post about the lynch.
And again with the "let's get everyone working together to lynch someone, not necessarily scum, just a lynch. To be fair he seems to think we're all town, but whatever. Show nested quote +On February 10 2013 17:04 yamato77 wrote: I don't think it's any stretch to say everyone should be on board with killing Palmar today. Sloosh is townier by a mile and Palmar is obviously not even playing the game, so he should just die. If he's town, oh well, someone has to die, and he's admitted to us that he's going to do nothing. If he's mafia then his team is retarded, or he's too cocky for his own good.
prplhz is another guy who is scum, this is why: He constantly advises people to do stuff, requests their opinions and puts forth very little concrete opinions himself. Examples: Show nested quote +On February 07 2013 21:30 prplhz wrote: But we're not lynching people because you think their play is "abhorrent to [your] notion of playing to win". His reputation is well earned and it's silly to lynch him on day 1 unless there's a really good case but the entire case against him can be explained away with "he's had a mental breakdown" and we can tolerate that for a single day as long as he isn't straight up lying to us so lets just wait it out and see what happens. Only bad thing about that is that we have to lynch someone else and this game isn't making much sense to me. I think I need to talk to slOosh. Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 07:38 prplhz wrote: @VisceraEyes Why are you so anxious to get rid of Palmar right now? No one said it could last forever. Why would we take the fact that he is Palmar away from the equation considering that .... he is Palmar? Show nested quote +On February 08 2013 01:14 prplhz wrote: Will people please comment on jaybrundage. JieXian sucks and he'll need to do something about that but in the meantime I want some feedback on jaybrundage. The last one really rubs me the wrong way, why is prplhz asking for "permission" to go after jaybrundage? If you think he's scum just go nail him. Also did you know prplhz completely disappeared during the night?  Anyway, more later if I have time.
Lets start from the top
Yamato wants to lynch Mocsta as quite a bit of people viewed Mocsta scummy at first Oats naming one and i know he had about 3-4 votes at one point in time. However when Mocsta actually writes up his defense Yamato completly back tracks. And chalks it up to Mocsta misunderstanding his case? Yamato thought Mocsta was scum it wouldn't be misunderstanding it would be him twisting words. And then Yamato just flips it around and calls Mocsta town later.
On February 07 2013 11:17 yamato77 wrote: Djo, what do you make of Mocsta's case on me up there?
I have a hard time thinking it came from scum but he quite clearly misunderstands quite a lot of stuff.
Ok So here Yamato comes full circle in Mocsta from hes scum to idk to yea hes town. And get this then Yamato calls JX scummy for calling Mocsta scum when a short while ago. Yamato was going after Mocsta with a pick axe. Also note his need as scum to want to kill Palmar ASAP.
On February 07 2013 12:54 yamato77 wrote: I'm starting to come around to the idea of town Mocsta, actually. I believe he has a scum read on me, wrong or not. I'm not going to pick apart his case on me, because honestly it's too time consuming to do so, but rather, I'll say this: Reread what you've quoted with the idea that I'm town in your head, and you'll see what I've been doing this game. It does no good for you, as town, to continue to pursue me.
With that, I'd be behind a JX lynch. His one post is a "case" and vote on Mocsta. He was a QT spammer in our game together, and was far more active there than the thread, as opposed to his "carefree" town games like LIX. I'd be behind his lynch.
Palmar should also be on people's minds. No, you don't want to lynch Palmar D1 if he's town, but you don't exactly want him staying alive until tomorrow if mafia, either, so if he refuses to do anything for the rest of today I would say he should almost certainly be our lynch. A weak ass joke-vote on Prplhz is not meaningful contribution.
I don't like a Djodref lynch at the moment, but I need to reassess his posting from a more objective standpoint. I was giving him too much credit for his Mocsta read before. Still, I think he is perhaps not the best choice in front of people like JX/Palmar, so he's a backburner for me.
I don't know what's going on between VE/Snarfs, but I don't think people are cool with lynching VE so Snarfs needs some better contributions than a "case" on VE that I don't find to be good.
Here he just becomes unreasonable demanding a JX lynch while not even listening to alternatives
On February 08 2013 05:41 yamato77 wrote: If someone other than JX gets lynched today I will afk.
The sole reason he wants to go after people now is lack of activity. He legit with all the information we have got from two lynches is gonna do a lurker lynch is he fucking srs? Yes lurking can be a tell of scum. But to use it alone as who you decide to kill at this point in the game is just a easy scum route. Also look at the people that he's defending VE prlhz the exact people that Palmar and Sloosh are going for. Also keep in mind his one track mind to want ot lynch Palmar. We have SCUM Yamato here.
On February 11 2013 12:45 yamato77 wrote: One heuristic that I find important to mention about the behavior of people around yesterday's lynch is simple activity.
Assume that Sloosh and Mocsta are town. With Palmar's green flip, that means that I was wrong and mafia decided to make the lynch a choice between three town players. They don't care who dies, really, because any of the three is good for them. So mafia are more inclined to not care at all what happens yesterday. They lurk, slap their vote somewhere, and do nothing relevant to the game because there is zero chance of them getting lynched and they have no reason to push a mafia agenda.
So who fits this bill from yesterday? Snarfs, jay, and djo. Djo is the question mark of the three, because he simply didn't post at all. The other two, however, had very similar days and patterns of activity. They both slapped their vote on someone early, and then basically AFK'd. Right now, I think Snarfs is the best lynch because of this behavior and his similar behavior around the lynch day 1 where he didn't vote JX but rather put Hus vote on VE and used his 'case' as an excuse to not comment on the actual lynch. He should die today.
##Vote Snarfs
As for other reads, obviously I think jay is an acceptable alternative lynch candidate. I defended him early day 1 but since then he's done very little, which is more in line with how I view his scum meta. When he's town he at least cares enough to post his thoughts, but this game he's not even doing that anymore and is probably mafia for it.
Phagga is scummy, as others have outlined. I don't see him as red as I do snarfs or jay, but he's on my radar. If I was making a hypothetical scum team, I'd say the fourth might be Oats. In the past day his activity has dropped off a cliff and I don't know what his reads in the game are anymore. He seems to be sticking to his guns from day 1 but has no new information to support his reads and hasn't been very active in the game.
For town reads, Mocsta and Sloosh look really town to me, mostly from their play while under the gun. I'm more confident on Mocsta than Sloosh, but I would defend either one's towniness. VE and prplhz are also both town to me, despite other player's suspicions of them. If I need to defend them today, I will, because neither show scum traits to me at all.
Cheesecake, you asked for my read on you. You lean town to me, but you're real blendy and not at all confrontational like I think town CC is. I suppose you haven't been accused seriously yet, but you also aren't going out of your way to pressure your reads like I think town CC usually does. You're more null than I expected at this point in the game.
If you guys think I'm mafia for serious, come at me, but neither case from yesterday is at all good. I've been the towniest yamato of all time. Bring the cases on.
##Vote Yamato
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On February 11 2013 12:48 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Cant sleep phone posting from bed and keep refreshing lol... I agree we should look at palmars reads. but lets not take them as some holy grail of truth, just into consideration. Jay, i think you fail to see why palmar was lynched. activity basically ... any more talk of it is useless. You can say its scum driven all you want. Hell, it probably is with that many votes. problem is, its not going to help us if we point fingers for voting palmar. The nominations are scums way of forcing us to make decisions... and a way for us to get mad at each other. either you're falling into that trap or are scum trying to blow the lynch upinto everyone who was on it was scummy thing.
hey oats. pie or cheesecake? Ok we wont take them as a holy grail of truth. Just interpret if its like a bible from the Nordic town god.
Also first you state that i have no standing in calling it a scum driven wagon. Then you concede that scum probably are on it. But then you go on to say that it won't help if we point fingers for voting palmar.
But on that point you would be completely wrong. We can use Palmar's lynch as a reference point to narrowing scum candidates. Im not falling into any trap. The nominations are a very town favored concept. We need to use it to our advantage we now have twice the amount of lynches to analyze.
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On February 11 2013 13:51 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Finally some pressure Mocsta.
Im actually attacking the evidence though, because all the evidence is cus palmar said so (which is bad reasoning). Although the part about why yamato wants to lynch lurkers was original because it just happened. This case does not make me think jay is scummier / townier than before, the case is just bad because it's crux lies o n palmar being correct in his read.
But yeah, i was just infuriated by that case becauseis putting all the marbles in one basket. Palmars basket. It seems like a risky lynch, and im surprised nobody else sees that Your making no sense. Are you saying Palmar's thoughts on Yamato was bad reasoning? Are you saying me using Palmar's read on Yamato is bad reasoning? Why are you saying Palmar is incorrect in his read?
All your arguing is that im using Palmar's reads.
So the fuck what. Palmar is an amazing town player. The question is why would I ignore his reads.
CC why do you discredit Palmars reads with out actually saying anything to discredit them? You make it seem like my case has no water cause i partly piggy backed on Palmar. But whats wrong with using a confirmed town's read. Not to mention an amazingly strong confirmed town.
Also Yamato yes im sheep palmar from the grave.
UMADBRO?
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On February 11 2013 13:19 yamato77 wrote: ...
Should I have included the post of jay's where he claims to have no reads? And all the ones he admits that he's just waiting on Palmar to post so he can sheep him?
Yeah...
If you want to say im scum you can go look at my games when im town and i legit straight up sheep palmar.
Its my town meta bro.
Im waiting for your OMGUS. Le'ts hear it.
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On February 11 2013 14:12 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 14:08 jaybrundage wrote: Also Yamato yes im sheep palmar from the grave.
UMADBRO? Jay Show nested quote +On February 11 2013 14:03 Mocsta wrote: As an aside, if jay really does suspect yamato; I would like to see a follow case introducing more of his own thoughts. Everything after Palmar's case was my points.
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Actually speaking of Mocsta whats your opinion on Yamato?
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SlOosh I agree with your VE case as I noted last cycle. But I believe that Yamato should be the lynch of choice today. He deflected two cases on him with out giving anything of a response. He did the same thing in Normal Mini Mafia VI when i posted an accusation of him. He legit completely ignored it.
SlOosh you haven't given your thoughts on the Yamato case. What do you think about.
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Vote Count
Snarfs: Mr.Cheesecake, Yamato77 Yamato77: JayBrundage, Phagga VisceraEyes: Snarfs, SlOosh
Have not voted: Djodref, Prplhz, Mocsta, Oatsmaster, VisceraEyes
Ok so I'm am going to start doing vote counts so we can have them as a reference point on how's leading for lynch.
But also cause if we have Vote Counts thru out the day. Then we can see scum voting patterns easier and see who's trying to create mislynches and get on easy bandwagons with our reasoning.
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On February 12 2013 03:50 Oatsmaster wrote: Or you can do votecounts cause they make you look like you are participating.
Anything you see in the votecount Jay? Some votes were really fast Yea cause making a giant case on Yamato isn't participating. Do you have anything else to say besides fling shit at me from a distance. How about you give your reads on Yamato and VE Or maybe even write up a case or at least some reasoning you have for your scum reads.
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On February 12 2013 03:49 jaybrundage wrote:
Vote Count
Snarfs: Mr.Cheesecake, Yamato77, VissceraEyes Yamato77: JayBrundage, Phagga VisceraEyes: Snarfs, SlOosh Mr.Cheesecake: Prplhz
Have not voted: Djodref, Prplhz, Mocsta, Oatsmaster,
If I missed any votes plz tell me.
SlOosh Why would you say that Yamato isn't happening. Its even with VE and Snarfs is leading by one. It's a bit to soon to say which lynch is gonna happen and which one isn't Yamato also has plenty of content to read over. The way he has hard defended some scummy people (prplhz, VE) Will also help to give a better read of these people. I would even say that Yamato would give way more information then VE. Also I think he's scum. Do you disagree with my case at all? Do you think Palmar was mistaken?
Also saying that we are lynching between scum is a big assumption. It makes people care less about the lynch and lets scum get away weak bandwagoning. The biggest part that annoys me is your declaration of Yamato lynch not happening. Why do you say that. If anything Yamato seems like it has quite a bit of resistance.
Also given The votes that are being thrown on Snarf I do not want to lynch him today. The people voting him are the same people Palmar noted as being likely scum.
I also find prplhz's vote on CC to be rather bad hes dividing the vote for no reason. I don't see him
On February 12 2013 04:08 slOosh wrote: Oats, get off Jay. Seriously. Vote counts are extremely helpful and it's not like it's the only thing that Jay contributed.
Jay, I think we are just choosing which scum we want to lynch at this point. Many of the initial pool of suspects (including yamato) have ties with VE. By lynching VE it forces more content from the remaining scum as well as helps us get better reads of them if they happen to be town. That is why I prefer lynching VE and would appreciate if you join me. Yamato ain't going nowhere I assure you.
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noticed prplhz being on there in two sections no biggie tho
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Ok here is my guess for the scum team :D first time doing this so be nice.
VisceraEyes, Mr.Cheesecake, OatsMaster, Yamato77/prplhz
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On February 12 2013 06:09 phagga wrote: Jay, Could you please add a point or two to every name explaining why you think they are scum? I was looking over mah google sheet and seeing who I have notes on everyone and it just makes sense given there interactions in the thread and also there lack of contributions stand out.
Here is my sheet. Note these are only notes for me. So it may not be complete and all the way up to date.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AsP1hp8cIarUdGlZNGk4cF96Vll3QkdhVzVsT0ZNRFE&usp=sharing
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Yamato prplhz and VE should all be well explained why they are possible scum. As they have had a couple cases built on them.
Oatsmaster was kind of a revelation I had given him a town read cause of his interactions with Mocsta early and never really looked at him again. However I was thinking what has this guy done recently that has contributing anything at all. And i couldn't think of anything. He was just flinging shit at me recently for no reason besides to discredit me with out. But he didn't even come out with any scum read on me or anything. So I think he can be the 4th mafia that is hiding in the shadows.
Mr.CC cause I think his turn around on yamato is quite scummy. Also a severe lack of real contributions have made him seems scummy. As well as his a very different post style from his other town games.
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