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On January 20 2013 22:11 Djodref wrote:
@ Mocsta
Sorry, I didn't see your answer.
Do you really think yamato is going to be elected today ? I personally don't think so becauset yamato didn't "officially" campaign, and he is not known to have good reads so...
If not, I'm curious to know what raised your attention in his posts.
@ Mocsta
Sorry, I didn't see your answer.
Do you really think yamato is going to be elected today ? I personally don't think so becauset yamato didn't "officially" campaign, and he is not known to have good reads so...
If not, I'm curious to know what raised your attention in his posts.
It doesnt matter if i think yamato is a candidate with a chance to win, I represent one vote out of 22.
I thought yamato campaigned passive-aggressively; just like Toad.
Its an approach I am oft in favour of when attempting to look squeaky-clean whilst attempting to manipulate.
Having said that, its not pertinent to determining alignment. At least not with the information we have currently.
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This is from page 1 of Mocsta's filter in LIX, the game he was town. He gives out, in the part I bolded, his rationale in thinking Toad and I might be mafia, but in doing so reveals his own thought process when mafia, that being passive-aggressive is a way to play mafia.
On January 12 2013 16:38 Mocsta wrote:
@Sn0_Man
I appreciate the sense of energy you are giving back to this thread, and I certainly do not want to deter that; town needs this energy.
BUT.. you are almost sounding "paranoid" - I know this, because after my last game, many assumed I was "paranoid".
I think we both want the same thing, a town environment where people can voice their opinion and join together for the scum hunt.
When you say "it seems fair since people like you are jumping in to defend him pretty fast"; that alienates participants from wanting to contribute.
You are actually creating an environment scum can thrive in with that attitude - even though I doubt that is your intention.
I ask that you please think about the above.
@Sn0_Man
I appreciate the sense of energy you are giving back to this thread, and I certainly do not want to deter that; town needs this energy.
BUT.. you are almost sounding "paranoid" - I know this, because after my last game, many assumed I was "paranoid".
I think we both want the same thing, a town environment where people can voice their opinion and join together for the scum hunt.
When you say "it seems fair since people like you are jumping in to defend him pretty fast"; that alienates participants from wanting to contribute.
You are actually creating an environment scum can thrive in with that attitude - even though I doubt that is your intention.
I ask that you please think about the above.
This is the first alignment-indicative post Mocsta made in NMM XXXV, the game he was mafia. What do you notice here?
On February 06 2013 15:49 Mocsta wrote:
Oats you have an uncanny ability to read a wall of text and focus on one word in that paragraph.
You sound like a whiny chick to me, who hears one word she doesnt like, and zones off to everything else.
I AM NOT SETUP SPECULATING. The fuckn setup is 9 town, 4 mafia.
I am saying we need to make scum work hard to become read as town,
I am saying good play Day1 is to emphasise quality posts, and avoid being a lurker
I am saying, bad play Day1, is going to make nominations for scum in Day2 much fuckn easier.
Oats you have an uncanny ability to read a wall of text and focus on one word in that paragraph.
You sound like a whiny chick to me, who hears one word she doesnt like, and zones off to everything else.
I AM NOT SETUP SPECULATING. The fuckn setup is 9 town, 4 mafia.
I am saying we need to make scum work hard to become read as town,
I am saying good play Day1 is to emphasise quality posts, and avoid being a lurker
I am saying, bad play Day1, is going to make nominations for scum in Day2 much fuckn easier.
He's making the same sort of argument about Oats this game that he did about Sn0 in the other game, that their play isn't "optimal" and they are "helping mafia". It's a fabricated read, in my eyes, and a fabricated contribution to say such things. It doesn't matter how a player is playing versus how you think the ideal town player SHOULD play, it matters if that player is playing in a way you know mafia would play.
On January 12 2013 22:38 Mocsta wrote:
Well im going to bed anyways.. will check in the thread in the morning, and will then be away for at least 6 hrs. *sigh*
Please generate some discussions USA shift ! There are still plenty of players who have not even posted yet.
zebezt, trust me.. I know the feeling to want some discussion happening, but, as town we don't want to create spam. Unfortunately now its just a waiting game for some activity.
[Unless 24hrs has expired.. thats my personal deadline for lurker calling]
Well im going to bed anyways.. will check in the thread in the morning, and will then be away for at least 6 hrs. *sigh*
Please generate some discussions USA shift ! There are still plenty of players who have not even posted yet.
zebezt, trust me.. I know the feeling to want some discussion happening, but, as town we don't want to create spam. Unfortunately now its just a waiting game for some activity.
[Unless 24hrs has expired.. thats my personal deadline for lurker calling]
On February 06 2013 17:10 Mocsta wrote:
Oats,
Stop getting over-defensive. Now you have to spell out actions.
If you couldnt tell my post was a joke, you have problems.
And your comment regarding my intentions is stupid. You admit yourself it is "optimal play'.. well no shit, why you think I am striving for that. Im not trying to re-invent the wheel.
Again you are flinging shit at an active participant, and for what purpose?
Still, no one is contributing; and the one guy who does, you tell him to "fuck off" whether joke or not.
Lay off the juice and give others a chance to input into the thread.
Oats,
Stop getting over-defensive. Now you have to spell out actions.
If you couldnt tell my post was a joke, you have problems.
And your comment regarding my intentions is stupid. You admit yourself it is "optimal play'.. well no shit, why you think I am striving for that. Im not trying to re-invent the wheel.
Again you are flinging shit at an active participant, and for what purpose?
Still, no one is contributing; and the one guy who does, you tell him to "fuck off" whether joke or not.
Lay off the juice and give others a chance to input into the thread.
Those two posts showcase a trait I see in Mafia Mocsta's play, a preoccupation with "contribution" and "lurking" from other players. Aside from the meta similarity here, the mafia trait is that he's doing exactly what he thinks people give out town reads for, and indeed what some of you have given him a town read for this game, simply post. He calls out "lurkers" to appear to contribute and care about the town atmosphere, something I readily see as a common trait in his mafia game and this one.
On January 13 2013 07:14 Mocsta wrote:
Wow. Thats it over the night shift.
Oats u sound like sno_man.
perhaps the aggresion u 2 have shown is why there is a lack of discussion.
I think u should read what i posted to him.
My questions are ice breakers and i have not a genuine comment from to stimulate town conversation. In fact. You are deterring conversation.
@oatsmaster
Why should i NOT treat is the outcome of your agressive posts [stopping fluid and positive town conversation] as scummy motivations
Wow. Thats it over the night shift.
Oats u sound like sno_man.
perhaps the aggresion u 2 have shown is why there is a lack of discussion.
I think u should read what i posted to him.
My questions are ice breakers and i have not a genuine comment from to stimulate town conversation. In fact. You are deterring conversation.
@oatsmaster
Why should i NOT treat is the outcome of your agressive posts [stopping fluid and positive town conversation] as scummy motivations
On February 06 2013 16:34 Mocsta wrote:
VE, you posted you would prefer nomination discussion to be held post Day 2 Dawn - when scum lynch candidates are released.
My motive for the quote was along the lines of: the candidates are going to be chosen based on play Day 1. Yes that statement is obvious, hoever what I am trying to highlight is that effort needs to be made to make the decision for scum difficult.
I listed 4 scenarios scum can take; we can't control that decision. What we can CONTROL is the viability of one of those options - to me, this is of benefit to town as it reduces WIFOM choices.
I thought my message(s) were clear cut, but, perhaps I am not communicating myself effectively. If not, please let me know.
VE, you posted you would prefer nomination discussion to be held post Day 2 Dawn - when scum lynch candidates are released.
My motive for the quote was along the lines of: the candidates are going to be chosen based on play Day 1. Yes that statement is obvious, hoever what I am trying to highlight is that effort needs to be made to make the decision for scum difficult.
I listed 4 scenarios scum can take; we can't control that decision. What we can CONTROL is the viability of one of those options - to me, this is of benefit to town as it reduces WIFOM choices.
I thought my message(s) were clear cut, but, perhaps I am not communicating myself effectively. If not, please let me know.
Again, two similar posts in rationale from NMM XXXV and this game. In both posts, he wants to paint what he's doing as "pro-town" by, again, promoting a positive discussion-based atmosphere. He's concerned with how people perceive what he's doing, and wants to control the discussion on the matter. It's mafia mentality, plenty of people, Marv included, attempt to play "pro-town" when mafia. Mcosta, when mafia, is obsessed with the concept, just like he is in this game.
I highly doubt Mocsta is town. Who is his scum read so far? All I see in his filter is a bunch of arguing with Oats, and then arriving at the conclusion that he's town/null/whatever. It doesn't look to me like he's hunting mafia, it looks like to me that he's just trying to look town.
