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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
February 07 2013 18:16 GMT
#659
I'm not sure. I want to lynch jaybrundage but no one else likes that lynch. I want to lynch Palmar but I see no reason to do it right now when we might as well just do it later.

I actually like Snarfs case on VisceraEyes.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
February 07 2013 18:18 GMT
#662
On February 08 2013 03:17 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2013 03:16 prplhz wrote:
I'm not sure. I want to lynch jaybrundage but no one else likes that lynch. I want to lynch Palmar but I see no reason to do it right now when we might as well just do it later.

I actually like Snarfs case on VisceraEyes.


Can you point me in the direction of a case on Jay? How do you feel of him personally? He's been fairly elusive to me. Only thing he's done is call out Djo for obvious reasons from what I remember.

Well, that's kind of the case. He is elusive and calls out people for obvious reasons and seems perfectly happy about that. I already wrote that with a lot more words but I think you nailed it in one sentence.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
February 07 2013 18:31 GMT
#671
On February 08 2013 03:24 Oatsmaster wrote:
Who do you actually want to lynch prp? So far NO strong scum reads.
You need to vote, where is it gonna be?

No, I don't have any strong scum reads and that's annoying because there are a lot of scum so some of them should be obvious already now (hopefully). I don't know who I will vote, I have a list of people I don't want to vote but that doesn't help me much. I want to lynch jaybrundage as I have already said a bunch of times but that's not a strong scum read (just the best I have) and it's not actually a lot that nobody else likes it.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
February 07 2013 19:05 GMT
#687
On February 08 2013 03:46 Mocsta wrote:
@prplhz
I know your reading this.

I would appreciate if we can converse again please.

In regards to JX
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2013 00:54 prplhz wrote:
I didn't want to talk a lot about JieXian because I wanted to see if he showed up on his own. He has posted around this time (actually a couple hours later) before in this game so I thought I'd not comment on him to see if he showed up again. If he didn't then I would be pretty sure that he was actually just not here which doesn't say much about his alignment. Of course this gamble doesn't work if I talk about it in the thread. Anyway, now that he's here he needs to start fending for himself since he apparently has four votes on him.

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On February 08 2013 01:14 prplhz wrote:
Will people please comment on jaybrundage. JieXian sucks and he'll need to do something about that but in the meantime I want some feedback on jaybrundage.

I am not sure what JX sucks means. What I do know is that you are focused on jaybrundage.
What is odd is that. after several pages (including JX being active) we get this:
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On February 08 2013 03:31 prplhz wrote:
On February 08 2013 03:24 Oatsmaster wrote:
Who do you actually want to lynch prp? So far NO strong scum reads.
You need to vote, where is it gonna be?

No, I don't have any strong scum reads and that's annoying because there are a lot of scum so some of them should be obvious already now (hopefully). I don't know who I will vote, I have a list of people I don't want to vote but that doesn't help me much. I want to lynch jaybrundage as I have already said a bunch of times but that's not a strong scum read (just the best I have) and it's not actually a lot that nobody else likes it.

You said originally you were holding off commenting on JX because he wasnt present.

Well now he is, I would like you to expound on his alignment and why?

I don't really think that JieXian is scum. His first post was crazy accusations against you for a singular reason (some self contradiction or whatever) and I don't think that's scummy. It also looked very spontaneous (you'll notice that he totally forgot his vote) which looks like he didn't reread or overthink what he was posting which is something I think is more of a townie tell than scum. Then he disappeared for a day and I believe he was actually just not here, not much to say about that.

I don't think he's looked scum after he returned either. What I mean by "he sucks" is that he's spamming and being a nuissance but that doesn't mean that he's scum at all (case in point: you), to the contrary. He looks like he's posting what's on his mind right now and that immediate feeling to his posting is something I think is pretty townie. He's also mainly gone for Oatsmaster since he came back and that's a bit weird for a scum who's the alternative lynch I would think, he's likely going to get lynched over Oatsmaster because a bunch of people already said that Oatsmaster is not someone we want to lynch today so why isn't he going for an "easier" target in JieXian or Palmar? (I know he was on Palmar for a short while but read his filter and you can easily see that he actually really wants to lynch Oatsmaster)

I still want to lynch jaybrundage.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
February 07 2013 19:06 GMT
#688
On February 08 2013 04:04 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Fuck it, YOLO

##vote: jiexian

I dont see it going any other way. Everyone is yelling die scum die.

This is some scummy shit.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
February 07 2013 20:14 GMT
#694
I read your read on jaybrundage but I'm not convinced. I still think he's a better lynch than JieXian.

How you feel about Mr. Cheesecake voting JieXian because he doesn't think he can do anything about it with "only" 10 hours left and not because he feels that JieXian is scum, but because people are yelling that he is scum?
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
February 07 2013 22:38 GMT
#712
@VisceraEyes Why are you so anxious to get rid of Palmar right now? No one said it could last forever. Why would we take the fact that he is Palmar away from the equation considering that .... he is Palmar?
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
February 07 2013 22:53 GMT
#716
Wasn't your question "i don't understand your case on jay" ?
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
February 07 2013 22:59 GMT
#719
Case and summary.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
February 07 2013 23:28 GMT
#727
On February 08 2013 08:20 Mocsta wrote:
Hmmm this ve stuff phagga in conjunction with snarfs case isnt looking good for ve.

[...]

You can't mention Snarfs case as reasonable for possibily lynching VisceraEyes when you have said (repeatedly) that it isn't a good case.

I can do that, however, since I've always liked Snarfs case. I don't like the looks of VisceraEyes. I'll lynch him over JieXian.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
February 07 2013 23:51 GMT
#734
Might fall asleep so:

##Vote VisceraEyes
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
February 08 2013 01:01 GMT
#747
On February 08 2013 09:23 phagga wrote:
prplhz: You wrote twice that you want to lynch jaybrundage, but never voted him. Now you have voted VE without giving reasons. Why is he now the better lynch then jay?

I gave reasons. Snarfs case and your analysis. I don't know if he is a better lynch, but jaybrundage isn't getting lynched at all. I just don't like the JieXian lynch.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
February 09 2013 17:38 GMT
#931
@Palmar Why didn't you suggest that plan before d2? What's the benefit of waiting until after the nominations?
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
February 09 2013 18:19 GMT
#934
On February 10 2013 02:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yes Palmar, what's the benefit of keeping information from scum until after they've acted? I'm eager for this answer too because applying the whole of my brainpower I can't think of a single good thing to come of that.

/sarcasm

Can't you just not post if you don't have anything useful to say, or if you really want to, answer my question without the attitude?
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
February 09 2013 22:19 GMT
#958
On February 10 2013 05:49 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2013 03:19 prplhz wrote:
On February 10 2013 02:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
Yes Palmar, what's the benefit of keeping information from scum until after they've acted? I'm eager for this answer too because applying the whole of my brainpower I can't think of a single good thing to come of that.

/sarcasm

Can't you just not post if you don't have anything useful to say, or if you really want to, answer my question without the attitude?


I answered it in the post you quoted. Assuming Palmar is town, he kept it from the thread in an attempt to keep information from scum until after they've acted. In this way if they felt so inclined to risk putting one of their own up, they're more likely to do so. If they feel out of control of the even day lynch (such as if it were RNG'd as Palmar's plan suggests) then they're less likely to put one of their own up.

With this field of nominees I reject Palmar's plan...as I feel like all of the nominees are likely town at this point and want to get rid of the most useless one...whcihever one that ends up being.

For the record, the sarcasm was meant to be humorous, not inflammatory. The logic is pretty straight-forward in my opinion, I thought if I phrased it that way it would seem obvious and incite laughter. Clearly I was mistaken. Good day sir.

But there are also advantages to saying it before the nomination phase. Scum are much less likely to put one of their own up if we're random lynching. Also, the plan can never work because random lynches never happen. Ever. You have never seen one and neither have I. The best thing we can do with it is threaten scum and argue about it for content. At least that's my opinion.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
February 10 2013 00:50 GMT
#966
On February 10 2013 08:27 slOosh wrote:
Oh yea, prplhz say something: Updated thoughts on phagga, VE and Snarfs please.

I don't know about phagga. I see some of your points, others I don't but he's not my biggest concern right now. I reskimmed his filter though and saw that while he was advocating a lurker lynch early on, he opposed a Palmar lynch almost as the first one (I think yamato77 was earlier out with it but still). That's rather hypocritical and I don't like it. Good thing is that he found that old Palmar game, Death Note Mafia, where Palmar also flaked completely out as town and was lynched for being inactive as well. phagga wasn't in that game though so apparently he actually sat down and read Palmar's old games to find that, bonus points for effort. He's not my biggest concern right now but I didn't read his old games or anything.

I'm still leaning scum on VisceraEyes and I don't really know about Snarfs either.

On February 10 2013 09:28 Oatsmaster wrote:
Prp, how hard is it to understand why Palmar didnt post his RNG lynch idea before the nomination?

Also, who do you want to lynch tmr Prp?

How do you expect me to answer that first question? I already stated why it's a useless idea to suggest random lynch after the nomination (because it's impossible to implement, case in point: right now, no one is pushing for it at all and it's been perfectly possible to implement it since Palmar suggested it) and that the most we could get out of it was to threaten scum with it (and make them nominate townies) and then just go about like we always do (bickering) when it's time to decide who to lynch. Apparently you don't agree (or didn't read) and you haven't explained your point of view so I don't know why you think you can take the intellectual high ground in an antagonizing way like that.

If you think the plan is good then why are you not pushing for us to implement it?

I'm leaning Palmar because I don't think he'll be able to conjure up any interest in the game now that we're several days in and he has hardly even read it and I don't want him to hang out and be an annoyance for the rest of the game. I don't know what he'll flip and I'm not interested, we'll find out soon enough. At least the other two guys appear still to be interested in this game.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
February 10 2013 15:48 GMT
#994
On February 10 2013 21:57 Palmar wrote:
[...]

prplhz is another guy who is scum, this is why:

He constantly advises people to do stuff,
Even if I do this, why is that a problem? I mean, if I come up with malicious advice then I agree that it would be a problem, but I don't, do I?

requests their opinions
... why is that a problem? I seem to recall people asking other people questions all the time. I don't even think I'm doing it that much because mostly I like for people to give up their opinion by themselves.

and puts forth very little concrete opinions himself.
I come up with enough concrete opinions myself. I gave my opinion on the JieXian lynch when it was clear people wanted to lynch him, I gave my opinion on my biggest scumread. I answer most requests for my opinion.


Examples:

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On February 07 2013 21:30 prplhz wrote:
But we're not lynching people because you think their play is "abhorrent to [your] notion of playing to win". His reputation is well earned and it's silly to lynch him on day 1 unless there's a really good case but the entire case against him can be explained away with "he's had a mental breakdown" and we can tolerate that for a single day as long as he isn't straight up lying to us so lets just wait it out and see what happens. Only bad thing about that is that we have to lynch someone else and this game isn't making much sense to me. I think I need to talk to slOosh.

Giving up my opinion on you. What is the problem with me asking for slOosh? I played with him and I wanted to hear his opinion because I hadn't really found anything myself so far. Townies ask other townies for advice all the time, not just for the advice but also to get a read from those other townies.


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On February 08 2013 07:38 prplhz wrote:
@VisceraEyes Why are you so anxious to get rid of Palmar right now? No one said it could last forever. Why would we take the fact that he is Palmar away from the equation considering that .... he is Palmar?

No idea what the problem is. VisceraEyes was pushing you irrationally and I asked him why.


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On February 08 2013 01:14 prplhz wrote:
Will people please comment on jaybrundage. JieXian sucks and he'll need to do something about that but in the meantime I want some feedback on jaybrundage.


The last one really rubs me the wrong way, why is prplhz asking for "permission" to go after jaybrundage? If you think he's scum just go nail him.
I posted a case and everybody ignored it so I repeatedly (this must be like the third time) asked people to react to it. I don't know what this "permission" I am supposedly asking for is.


Also did you know prplhz completely disappeared during the night?
I was around, I just didn't post. Most of the posts in the thread during the night was about how people should probably stop posting and I agreed with that so I just didn't post. We have plenty of time today and only three people to discuss and talking during the night would mostly just give scum better information to make their nominations.


Anyway, more later if I have time.


On February 10 2013 22:39 Oatsmaster wrote:
Prp is scummy,

Show nested quote +
I'm leaning Palmar because I don't think he'll be able to conjure up any interest in the game now that we're several days in and he has hardly even read it and I don't want him to hang out and be an annoyance for the rest of the game. I don't know what he'll flip and I'm not interested, we'll find out soon enough. At least the other two guys appear still to be interested in this game.

Prp says: I want to lynch Palmar cause I am irritated by him.

What a shitty reason to vote for Palmar.

Also, he still doesnt want to answer who he wants to lynch outside of the nomination people.

No, it's not a shitty reason to vote Palmar. Which nominee do you want us to lynch and why?

I'm not confident in any of the nominees being scum so I'm lynching the one I expect will cause the most disruption if he lives. Imagine Palmar lives, tomorrow he'll push either yamato77 or, more likely, me and I don't doubt that he'll succeed. I'll flip town and then where the fuck are you? Back at lynching Palmar again. Alternatively, his interest in this game disappears again and then his activity drops to abysmal levels. Back at lynching Palmar again.

Of course, if I had a scum read in any of the other candidates I'd lynch them but that's simply not the case.

Yea I didn't answer who I wanted to lynch outside of the nominees because we aren't lynching outside of the nominees right now. I'll answer you tomorrow, I don't think that's a big problem. One day, one lynch, today is today and tomorrow is tomorrow.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
February 10 2013 23:55 GMT
#1018
On February 11 2013 08:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
I find it hard to believe that after 4 IRL days, prp has 1 tenuous scum read. And he has not pushed ANYBODY, just keeping in the background and trying to get away with it. His play is what I expect of scum or newbie town. Prp, are you newbie town?
Also, Im sorry sloOsh, I dont really think you are scum, but I think Palmar is even less scummy.
So, my vote is on you cause Mocsta has been actually playing the game.

Bah. I find it hard to believe that you insist on purposely getting on my nerves all the fucking time yet here you are again. I guess I'll play along.

You're a moron.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
February 11 2013 00:24 GMT
#1027
On February 11 2013 09:02 Mocsta wrote:
prplhz
Now that I know you're here.

Not sure if you realise, but guys like me and I assume Oats etc, think the things above about you; simply because you're a vet.
With that experience and reputation comes an expectation. Perhaps your town play in general is self-centered, but if you are town, we really need you to chip in more and provide your thoughts.

You say you were against JX, fine, that either shows two things
(1) Your scum and knew he was town
OR
(2) You're highly experienced, could see through the bullshit and made a right decision.

I want to believe its (2), but the only way that can be confirmed is if you start sharing more of your insight.



At the end of Day1, you were suspicious of Jay.
I questioned him somewhat, and he was a bit more active early this nomination day.

Is he still your top suspect to pursue come Day 3?

There is no really any insight today. We're probably lynching into townies and I already said why I prefer that it be Palmar. I am just reading the game and filters but every time I F5 this thread Oatsmaster wrote some infuriatingly dumb bullshit and it's getting on my nerves real bad. At the same time it's impossible to have a conversation with him because he's just ignoring every thing I say.

Expectations are dumb (and you wouldn't have any if you knew my reputation (inb4 someone says that that is a scum tell)). Just evaluate people on what they do in this game, good players can have off games and bad players can nail entire scum teams on d1. I've seen it happen.

I think we should lynch Mr. Cheesecake tomorrow. Not that I am done with jaybrundage but I am getting more sure about Mr. Cheesecake. I don't really feel this phagga lynch.
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prplhz
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark8045 Posts
February 11 2013 00:33 GMT
#1028
I am really sure that yamato77 is town. The reason for that is his early town analysis on me. Scum don't want players everybody else think is town because they can't get rid of them since they don't have any night kills. You might think that it's a bad analysis or whatever, but it absolutely isn't, it's the best analysis I've read in this game so far. I don't think scum would make a case like that.
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