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yamato77
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On February 21 2013 16:01 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: le wifom up in here. could be double bus could not be double bus. what do. read my case on VE, walk away with complete knowledge of his play this game and how even with the snarfs association, he's still completely mafia. Then lynch him, and scum concede. | ||
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yamato77
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If VE is town, why would either of me or you (and Mocsta) be put up as nominations before him? Palmar and Sloosh, two veteran players, were nominated day 2, yet the third is NOT VE, but one of the newest players, Mocsta. D4, you were put up. D6, me. Is VE really less of a threat as town then either of us? No. He's fucking mafia, and mafia aren't nominating themselves at all. | ||
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yamato77
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On February 21 2013 16:07 debears wrote: Read my case on jay, lynch jay, lynch oats, scum concede Who is third mafia? ... Lol. | ||
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yamato77
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On February 21 2013 16:08 debears wrote: Palmar is a better town player than VE. Sloosh was considered town (I believe). Mocsta was considered town. VE was not (if i remember correctly) Palmar was in more danger of getting lynched on a regular day than VE was, yet it was Palmar who went up, not VE. Plus, CC and I are still worse choices than VE if mafia is killing dangerous townies. Both of us did way more to get the only mafia lynched so far than VE did. | ||
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yamato77
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On February 21 2013 16:09 debears wrote: Could be you by the way you are going  Phagga's lack of posting is inclining me towards him. So why is Jay town yamato? Put your money where your mouth is and make a case on me, bitch. Jay is town because that guy IS Best Mislynch WORLD. | ||
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yamato77
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On February 21 2013 16:10 yamato77 wrote: Palmar was in more danger of getting lynched on a regular day than VE was, yet it was Palmar who went up, not VE. Plus, CC and I are still worse choices than VE if mafia is killing dangerous townies. Both of us did way more to get the only mafia lynched so far than VE did. Lol, refuted my own point. Whatever, VE should have been nominated if he was town, plain and simple. There's no good reason town VE has yet to be nominated. But he's not town, hasn't acted townie, and should die for it. | ||
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yamato77
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On February 21 2013 16:11 debears wrote: That is the worst reasoning in the world. Show me through analysis of his play Jay's town meta is to look scummy, all the damn time. Analyzing his play from some objective sense of how town and mafia play does no good, because he doesn't play that way. | ||
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yamato77
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On February 21 2013 16:14 phagga wrote: I said yesterday that either sloosh or VE is scum. Sloosh flipped green, here we go. ## Vote VE Would also lynch jay. Could you scream mafia any louder, phagga? | ||
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yamato77
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On February 21 2013 16:15 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Nomination wifom best wifom. I see your point, though. As I said, I want to be 100% sure of this lynch. There are other possibilities to consider. screaming VE scum over and over at lylo doesnt achieve much. It just makes you bad, even if you are right. Yamato, characteristically you are a very confirmation biased and clouded townie. Im nkt saying you arent right in this case, but there are better ways to go about things. I'll do a full write up tomorrow on who we should lymch. If it's VE, cool. wagon of justice. Look, dude, I made my case. It's fucking lylo, and the scum team is in front of you. | ||
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yamato77
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On February 21 2013 16:17 debears wrote: Scum motivation behind the posts and scummy posts are two different things I highly doubt jay is actually mafia. When he was mafia, he didn't even bother to have reads or cases, he just did shit randomly and trolled. It's blatantly obvious that he cares about figuring out this game, and has been involved with town about his reads. His drop of me during day 3 was the towniest thing I've ever seen jay do. Believe me when I say, I've been mafia in this exact same situation. In British Empire, I tried to get jay/zentor lynched SO HARD, but town Hapa knew better. Town Hapa identified jay's level of contribution to the game as a solid heuristic towards his towniness, correctly so. You have to prove jay is scum by meta, and right now he's not matching it at all. | ||
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yamato77
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On February 21 2013 16:21 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Yamato you're either scum or an idiot if you dont want to take things slowly today. unfortunately you're probably the latter. stop letting your preconceptions about how I play this game cloud your ability to judge my case on VE He's goddamn mafia. I'm CONVINCED. There's no other explanation for this game, and how it's playing out right now than Phagga/VE/Debears. Don't let debears fool you. He's good at mafia, I'll admit, because he's good at arguing. Better than me. But seriously, take what you know of jay, and take what you know of VE, and think about how they've played this game. Jay's pushed his reads harder than VE. VE as town is anything but limp-wristed. | ||
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yamato77
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On February 21 2013 16:27 debears wrote: Link me the Hapa post if possible and I'll take a look at it On January 05 2013 07:33 Hapahauli wrote: @ Xalatos Welcome! Thoughts on DP appreciated! Regarding your own points: MrZ - He tends to do very "trolly" stuff as town and scum. His early-game in Witchcraft Mini is a good example, where he self-votes himself and just posts a couple of meaningless one-liners for most of Day 1 (as town). I'm not too worried about MrZ, as I think reading him is fairly easy. He's very clammy and afraid to post as scum. He's much more open and jokey as town. JayBrundage - He's lynch-bait (see Hero Mini Mafia). We should definitely encourage him to post more, but he's a pretty easy mislynch (if he's town) because he tends to make sparse and wishy-washy posts. Mr.CC - I think he's fairly similar to MrZ. I'm not very worried about reading him, because I feel he has a hard time replicating his "jokey" town-meta. His inactivity so far is a concern, but I'm not sure how much of that is due to RL business. Not that it'll change your mind. | ||
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yamato77
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As mafia, jay was tunnely, he picked super day 1 early on and slung shit at him for a while with personal attacks and such, and reacted harshly to accusations against his own person. Jay this game is not doing any of that. His dearth of reads is actually something I shared for a time, because it has been legitimately difficult figuring out who is mafia, but I think I've finally pieced it together and it makes tons of sense. | ||
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yamato77
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I managed to correctly identify prplhz as town early on in the game by similar heuristics, because the two of them are near-identical players in that they are always lynch candidates as town. I shouldn't have ignored my own analysis on that front. Sorry prplhz. | ||
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yamato77
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Having been in or actively obs'd both those games, I can say with relative certainty that jay is town. If you don't want to read the games and see for yourself, then just trust me on this one, because I know. All of you may think I'm not a good player but you'll be very glad to know you'll win if you stop thinking I'm so terrible at this game. | ||
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yamato77
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On February 21 2013 16:53 Oatsmaster wrote: You dont get to claim that your method of reading people is good because YOU mislynched Prp. The mislynch was days later, and it was an oversight mainly. But it's besides the point, because the point is that both of them are very similar, and that you have to use similar logic to arrive at the conclusion that they are town. If you're not going to do any meaningful reading or analysis of your own on this matter, Oats, then just sheep me. You'll be glad you did in approximately 42 hours. | ||
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yamato77
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On February 21 2013 16:59 jaybrundage wrote: Wait a second If anything Oats should sheep me. I was on the Wagon of Justice long before you were. I where on a lesser Wagon of Justice (of snarfs). You have to sheep your town reads, silly, or you're doing it wrong. Another reason it makes zero sense for phagga to want to kill jay, but hey, I think we all know he's mafia, too. | ||
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yamato77
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On February 21 2013 17:01 Oatsmaster wrote: Yamato says: I am too lazy to do it properly and instead, will use long words in an attempt to confuse you. Lol. Jay, your filter is pretty scummy, but the stuff debears says is scummy actually isnt scummy. At this point, I just wanna lynch VE. Okay, then go take an extended break from this game, and when you come back mafia will have conceded. | ||
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yamato77
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I'm not going to say who, or why today. Tomorrow I might. Today, we lynch VE. | ||
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yamato77
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Snarfs, similarly, didn't exactly make a concerted effort to get VE lynched, ever. When he was getting lynched day 3, did he even come into the thread and argue for VE's lynch? Why not? Wouldn't mafia benefit from lynching town VE in that situation? It could have happened, but it didn't. It's not enough to say that the double bus is good evidence, because it's not. It was weak on the part of VE, and Snarfs didn't even try to get VE lynched over himself. I've been over this. There's no reason not to lynch him. | ||
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