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"I have a town read on Oats because he's pushing for discussion" - VE "Discuss stuff, even though I'm not!" - Oats Roflroflrofl | ||
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Guess who's town? Me! | ||
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Because I'm drunk ##Vote Sloosh /thread | ||
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Wtf. We keep you alive until endgame, because why? I say we kill you today and mod confirm what Mafia has been doing with the nominations. Jay pushing mafia agenda, so him suggesting not lynching you is hilariously bad. Just makes me want to lynch you more. I'd rather scumhunt like normal. On that note, I'm going to read VE/Phagga and see if I can figure the both of them out. | ||
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Oats is probably not mafia Jay is almost certainly mafia VE looks way worse Sloosh is meh, his meta suggests town Phagga looks like mafia CC is probably town Jay/Phagga/VE are my current reads Jay I've explained. Phagga has some townie looking moments but is overall pushing a mafia agenda. Day 1 he pushed JX and did not much else. Since then he's been blend as fuck. VE has done shit all this game. He wasn't even responsible for Snarf's lynch. He wanted prplhz to die over him. I think his Snarfs read was just too look good if he got caught and flipped mafia. He never pushed him, as he claimed. He barely pushed anyone. He makes his reasons and then afk's. I think he might be the piece of the puzzle I've been missing. | ||
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On February 12 2013 08:59 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay, I'm starting to get a sense of what's going on here. prplhz is Mafia Palmar knew it, I ignored it, now I gotta do something about it. prplhz did nothing over the course of D1 aside from ask Djodref about RNG, tell Mocsta and Oats to stop yelling at each other, and ask people over and over what they think about his "case" on jaybrundage. I put case in quotations there because his case is basically "he feels a little elusive and mild and *shrug*" but apparently that's enough for prplhz. What I find interesting about that is he claims he had no strong scum suspects D1...but apparently I haven't been doing shit all game right? Why wasn't I a suspect to prplhz? Oh that's right, at the end of D1 when the shit was uncertain surrounding the lynch, that is when all of a sudden prplhz would lynch VE over JX. Which begs the question: why didn't he raise me as a lynch candidate before then? If he was opposed to the JX lynch, why didn't he offer me up sooner than a couple hours before the lynch? prplhz is my strongest read by far and I prefer a prplhz lynch today. Snarfs is Mafia Snarfs has rubbed me the wrong way all game. His initial case on me was so bad that it got my attention, and the way he pushed it (or NOT pushed it more accurately) felt scummy all game long. He continues to do nothing, which kinda makes me a little queasy, but overall he's firmly in the red for me. If I can't get a prplhz lynch today, I would lynch Snarfs. ##Unvote ##Vote: prplhz On February 12 2013 18:21 VisceraEyes wrote: And actually before I go ##Unvote ##Vote Snarfs Oats I think Snarfs more likely today...but if that changes I SWEAR I'll be back. My vote is on prolhz in spirit. Now you're just lying, VE. | ||
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Either way you take this, you're mafia. Either you pushed a mafia agenda Day 3 and lied about it, or forgot you did it. Either way it's scummy, and either way I'm going to get you lynched tomorrow. | ||
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Why would you lynch me over Sloosh? Why are you making excuses for jay? Ugh. | ||
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On February 20 2013 04:45 VisceraEyes wrote: My filter is awash with posts trying to get Snarfs lynched. Prplhz more close fit the lurker demographic I was aiming into D1. It's all in my filter Yamato. Those posts were day 3! Wtf is wrong with you? stop trying to gloss over the fact that you lied about your agenda for day 3. THAT is what's in your filter. You may have talked about Snarfs as a scum read, but to say you were a proponent in his lynch is completely off the mark. | ||
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I actually want to die today, because I think it will help VE die tomorrow. I'm in the process of making a detailed case proving his mafia agenda play today. | ||
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On February 20 2013 06:38 VisceraEyes wrote: That should read "from D1" but it doesn't even matter. I admit that I was just as, if not more interested in a prplhz lynch. But you can't just dismiss the fact that I was among the only voices suspicious of Snarfs right up to the point where he was made a serious candidate - whether it was me who made him a valid candidate is obviously up for debate, but you can't say I did nothing to get him lynched Yamato. Now you are the one who is lying. ##Vote: yamato77 On February 20 2013 06:38 VisceraEyes wrote: But you can't just dismiss the fact that I was among the only voices suspicious of Snarfs right up to the point where he was made a serious candidate - whether it was me who made him a valid candidate is obviously up for debate, but you can't say I did nothing to get him lynched Yamato. Now you are the one who is lying. On February 20 2013 06:38 VisceraEyes wrote: whether it was me who made him a valid candidate is obviously up for debate On February 20 2013 06:38 VisceraEyes wrote: up for debate CHALLENGE ACCEPTED On February 07 2013 09:35 VisceraEyes wrote: I think Snarfs might well be scum. So here's a little push in his direction, care of the guy who isn't pushing anyone. First of all, something I noticed last night. Here we see Snarfs' first vote on me. He's convinced of my alignment based on the fact that I left the thread "when two other players start shitting up the thread". But...why? Why is that indicative of me being scum? The only way that makes sense is if he is assuming that Oats and Mocsta are both town...and this is a conclusion he couldn't have already come to at this point in the game. This alone isn't really enough for me to call him scum, but then we see how he pushes me after this: Anything new in there? Just a weak-ass meta read based on 24 hours of D1. But he asked for others' opinions TWICE in those two posts. We have players who haven't said fuck all. He's saying we can't lynch Palmar today...why? Why the fuck not? He's not doing shit. But he wants to lynch me? Based on what? A weak ass meta read and an absence I've explained? It's cognitive dissonance. Why would he be against lynching Palmar D1 and not against lynching VE D1 for the same reason? I mean, okay if he thinks Palmar is better for town than me assuming we're both town, that's one thing...but he doesn't say as much. He simply shuts down the Palmar lynch for no reason...when no one is even voting for Palmar but me. Now I'm at a crossroads. I want to kill Palmar with the holy fire of righeousness. But I also want Snarfs to hang. I want others' opinions of this, because at this point I could go either way. Kill the scummy lurker who doesn't give a shit, or kill the scummy active participant? Right now I'm leaning lynching Palmar, but if there's more support for a Snarfs lynch I'm all over that shit. I'll give you this one VE, you made a case on him early day 1. But did you really try to get him lynched? No. Sandwiching this post are these two: On February 07 2013 08:29 VisceraEyes wrote: Why aren't you doing shit? You can't be scared of NKs, it's like you don't give a fuck. And in my experience a Palmar that doesn't give a fuck is a scum Palmar...and I hate scum. I FUCKING HATE SCUM PALMAR On February 07 2013 13:53 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm back and reading. Are we lynching Palmar yet? Again, what are you doing today? Trying to get Palmar lynched. Not Snarfs, Palmar. The guy who flipped town. The guy you've inevitably played quite a few games with. The guy you know to fuck off entire games at times, even when town. BUT OKAY, okay, I get it. I read him as scum too. It's okay. I'm not just lynching you for this. On February 07 2013 17:58 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay, I've read the whole thread again. First of all, where the fuck is prplhz and why isn't anyone else curious? He has literally 4 in game posts and while he appears to be interested in "thread atmosphere", I just have no idea who he thinks is scum. Djo bringing back up the whole Oats/Mocsta thing is just...confusing. What's the point? I'm not even sure what he's accusing Mocsta of in the first place. @Djo What exactly is your problem with Mocsta? It's like you're suspicious of him because he didn't join your random lynch (which you say that you didn't even really like). As I said earlier, I'm very very interested in clearing out the trash, being players who signed up and aren't playing. Right now that list is: Palmar prplhz Snarfs JX There's no way in hell they're all scum. Here's what I want to do. I think everyone should choose one name off that list that they believe is the most realistic lynch candidate based on what they perceive to be town sentiment. Then I want them to explain why they aren't voting for that person, and explain in detail why their lynch candidate is better. Know this. GM made it clear in the OP that lurkers will ruin this game. You don't even have to take my word for it, it's right in the OP. The worst thing townies can do in this setup is lurk. Therefor, I don't want to lynch someone active today. We can start lynching into active posters with more flip information. I think prplhz is the most realistic lynch candidate, and I'll tell you why (though you probably won't like it.) Palmar apparently wants to lynch prplhz. Is that fucked up or what? But it's true. If Palmar comes back in here and says "Yeah I still want to lynch prplhz" then I believe that prplhz will get lynched. In spite of fucking off for the entire game, Palmar has more say over who gets lynched than I do. But I'm not bitter - all is not lost you see. For I can also get down on a prplhz lynch. I'd still do somersaults over a Palmar lynch or Snarfs lynch, but honestly I just don't think I can make it happen today. ____________________________________________________________________ On the active posters: I'd like to see more from slOosh. Him backing out of his yamato read, while admirable I guess, leaves me wondering just who he thinks is scum. He mentioned phagga as a means of determining prplhz' alignment...somehow? But made it clear that he wasn't really a scumread. Ultimately he wants it to be clear that he's not doing nothing, which generally sets off red flags for me. He started out as a super townread too, which is why this is concerning for me. @slOosh You say "let's work with what we've got". I've got a case on Snarfs that you haven't commented on. I've got a lurker policy that I'd like you to consider. I'd really like to hear who you think is scum. yamato is on my to-do list tomorrow morning. So is Cheesecake. I'm going to bed now. ##Unvote: Palmar ##Vote: prplhz Another post fingering Snarfs as mafia. BUT WAIT, LOOK AT THAT LIST AND VOTE AGAIN: On February 07 2013 17:58 VisceraEyes wrote: As I said earlier, I'm very very interested in clearing out the trash, being players who signed up and aren't playing. Right now that list is: Palmar prplhz Snarfs JX ##Unvote: Palmar ##Vote: prplhz Holy shit, that's a ridiculously terrible looking list. Also, notice it contains all of the people that were real contenders for the lynch day 1, grouped wholly as "lurkers". Wow. Lurker lynching. VE isn't even trying. Also note that his "case" is on Snarfs, but his vote goes elsewhere. All the time. I'll continue to show instances of this throughout his play, day 1 and day 3, but first I'm going to figure out where his vote went day 1 and why, because as I said in LVIII, the only alignment indicative thing these good mafia players do is lynch people. And make no mistake, VE lynches town REAL GOOD. On February 08 2013 03:02 VisceraEyes wrote: Still no quotes from this game explaining your viewpoint. Just vague meta references and now you're throwing in non-alignment indicative bullshit. ##Unvote: prplhz ##Vote: Snarfs WOOOWOOOOOOOOO This is the lynch guys, all aboard. Here's an instance to refute my idea of VE's relationship with Snarfs. It's not a very good one, however, simply because of how weakly this plays out. Not even half an hour later: On February 08 2013 03:33 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm willing to consolidate onto JX. Wow. NEXT: On February 08 2013 05:12 VisceraEyes wrote: I AM WILLING TO BET MY LIFE THAT PALMAR IS MAFIA. I'll admit, this is put in here just to make him look bad. Carry on. On February 08 2013 05:36 VisceraEyes wrote: The JX wagon popped up quick. FAST quick. I mean, this is like the end of the phase really with people going to bed. HERE WE GO. An absurd defense of JX, out of nowhere. Is this lynch derailing at its finest? Is VE really going to help town get off another town player and lynch the mafia he proclaims from the rooftops? On February 08 2013 06:52 VisceraEyes wrote: ##Unvote: Snarfs ##Vote: JieXian It's still true - it was just an observation. I wouldn't say he's been discussed "all day"...he doesn't even have enough content to warrant all-day discussion. And his resurgence into the thread when the threat of lynch is real certainly doesn't speak well for him either. Nope. He won't even take responsibility for pushing any agenda. He'll just blend the fuck in, right with this vote. Don't do anything to take any real stance, or even justify your vote more than calling him a "lurker". Good stuff. On February 08 2013 07:40 VisceraEyes wrote: Look it's fine - I'm voting for JX see? I'm not anxious to get rid of Palmar. I just think he has the highest chance of flipping scum. This, in retrospect, is a slip of the mindset I just talked about. VE has zero balls this game. He has no conviction in his reads, he's just going along with what town wants to do. It's pathetically scummy. Town VE does not mindlessly sheep. If town VE thought Palmar was scum, he would do something, but yet VE did basically to push his reads, at all. That's basically the summary of VE's play day 1. Call people mafia, don't push them, and sheep town's thinking. I'm ignoring day 2 because all of the stuff he wrote about was about town players, in all likelihood. So on to day 3: QUOTE]On February 12 2013 05:04 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't know what you want from me. I have been looking for scum. I am reading both Snarfs and prplhz as scum. I have tried to show you why I think so. I fully admit to dropping the ball yesterday but real life kicked my ass. slOosh you haven't engaged me about my reads either Bro and now you seem so sure of yourself that you aren't even willing to listen. Do you understand how that attitude is COUNTERPRODUCTIVE to getting me to prove my innocence? Why should I even care to try? ##Vote Snarfs Because prplhz just wrote a case and I will read it before I moving forward. [/QUOTE] The only thing interesting is the vote, which isn't even the focus of this post. It's his defense of himself, which is overwhelmingly sad. "I've been looking for scum". Oh, you mean lurker lynching? Gotcha. On February 12 2013 08:59 VisceraEyes wrote: Okay, I'm starting to get a sense of what's going on here. slOosh is Mafia He keeps insisting that I'm not doing shit. He keeps insisting that I am not scumhunting. He conveniently leaves out the fact that I have not one, but TWO scum suspects whom I have made cases on and pushed for lynch at various points in the game...suspects that I continue to believe in today. Because I believed that the nominations would be all town, I wrote slOosh off as town as soon as the nominations were posted...in spite of red flags being raised when he was certain he would be put up for nomination. Now he's got this fail crusade against me. But he's accusing me of shit that he's just as, if not more, guilty of. He disappeared during D1 when the important shit was going down. And now he's in a unique position of being "soft-confirmed" town. What's he do with it? Continue to ignore everything his "scum suspect" says. If he really thinks I'm scum, why isn't he trying to catch me by making me explain my reads more thoroughly? Because in the name of consistency, he has to pretend they don't exist.. Otherwise he has no fucking case on me. I've been racking my brain trying to figure out a townie motivation for pretending my scumreads don't exist, and aside from "maybe he really thinks I'm town and is trying to infuriate me to confirm his read on me" I can't think of a single one...and that one doesn't make any fucking sense because if he's town and he's wasting all that time on trying to cement a TOWN read on me, he's doing something horribly horribly wrong...therefor, I conclude that he has to be scum. prplhz is Mafia Palmar knew it, I ignored it, now I gotta do something about it. prplhz did nothing over the course of D1 aside from ask Djodref about RNG, tell Mocsta and Oats to stop yelling at each other, and ask people over and over what they think about his "case" on jaybrundage. I put case in quotations there because his case is basically "he feels a little elusive and mild and *shrug*" but apparently that's enough for prplhz. What I find interesting about that is he claims he had no strong scum suspects D1...but apparently I haven't been doing shit all game right? Why wasn't I a suspect to prplhz? Oh that's right, at the end of D1 when the shit was uncertain surrounding the lynch, that is when all of a sudden prplhz would lynch VE over JX. Which begs the question: why didn't he raise me as a lynch candidate before then? If he was opposed to the JX lynch, why didn't he offer me up sooner than a couple hours before the lynch? prplhz is my strongest read by far and I prefer a prplhz lynch today. Snarfs is Mafia Snarfs has rubbed me the wrong way all game. His initial case on me was so bad that it got my attention, and the way he pushed it (or NOT pushed it more accurately) felt scummy all game long. He continues to do nothing, which kinda makes me a little queasy, but overall he's firmly in the red for me. If I can't get a prplhz lynch today, I would lynch Snarfs. ##Unvote ##Vote: prplhz Here is another example of VE fingering Snarfs as mafia, talking about lynching him, and then pushing a DIFFERENT AGENDA. He's not attempting to get Snarfs lynched, he's just putting feelers out there. Look at the last sentence again: If I can't get a prplhz lynch today, I would lynch Snarfs. This is day 3, and his agenda is a mafia one. He'll ACQUIESCE to lynching mafia, but he really wants to lynch town. On February 12 2013 18:21 VisceraEyes wrote: And actually before I go ##Unvote ##Vote Snarfs Oats I think Snarfs more likely today...but if that changes I SWEAR I'll be back. My vote is on prolhz in spirit. Again, this is VE's mindset showing through and through. He's not trying to get Snarfs lynched for real, but hey, if it happens it's all kinds of cool town cred for him since he's offhandedly called him scum the whole game, and vice-versa. But again, who does he really want to lynch? It's right there, at the end: PRPLHZ, A TOWNIE. NOT SNARFS, THE MAFIA. But okay, I get it. Townies are wrong all the time. What is so bad about VE being wrong THE WHOLE FUCKING GAME, EVEN THOUGH HE SHOULD KNOW BETTER? Well, he's taken zero responsibility for anything he's done this game + Show Spoiler [Another Example] + On February 13 2013 08:52 VisceraEyes wrote: At the time of the post in question (my switch from Palmar to prplhz) I wasn't convinced of Palmar being ACTUAL scum. That didn't come until he came back into the thread and confirmed, some more, that he wouldn't be doing shit. At the time of the post in question, it was simply a choice between two lurkers. And as I explained in my post, if Palmar had delurked and said "yeah guys go prplhz" I think that prplhz might have gotten lynched. That observation transcended alignment - I believe that would have happened if Palmar were scum OR town. It was an observation of the typical gamestate here on TL: blind faith in the Leader. Because of that, it didn't matter to me whether Palmar delurked as scum and did that because based on the actions prplhz had taken up to that point (read: soft push on jay and vague "pro-town tidbits") I decided that I was okay with a prplhz lynch. Palmar had shown no interest in Snarfs or I would have voted Snarfs instead - Palmar had only up to that point expressed a desire to kill prplhz. On February 13 2013 11:12 VisceraEyes wrote: FUCK YES Debears better fucking bring the thunder...I thought Djodref was town before, but the silence surrounding the lynch indicates to me that a) scum had no problem lynching Snarfs or b) scum couldn't do anything to prevent it. I'm looking hard at debears as of this moment. This I think is obviously true, and something that is the crux of why mafia VE and mafia Snarfs were double-bussing the whole game. To explain why, we're going to travel back in time through VE's filter and look at a particular post he made, speculating the setup. On February 09 2013 03:52 VisceraEyes wrote: Like I said, if even one scum dies, the game is increased by a day forcing another nomination. The nomination phases are going to be good for us because they'll leave us a pattern to follow. Not that we should automatically assume that only townies will be nominated, this is not what I'm saying. But I'd be surprised if more than, say, one scum is ever nominated at a time. As a result we can start narrowing down who is scum BASED on the nomination phases. Scum will likely want as few nomination phases as possible. I'm not trying to push this as what will happen. I'm providing my own opinion of how this mechanic is going to play out. I'll be in and out over the course of the day. In a non-perverted sort of way. Here he explains the most likely nomination mechanic, and one we can now nearly modconfirm to be true. Scum are putting up townies and killing them off, using the Nomination mechanic as a replacement NK of sorts and a day in which nothing for town is accomplished at all. It's good mafia play, because it denies town a ton of information, and wastes valuable time while resulting in a dead townie 100% percent of the time. But it only works so long. How long? Until three mafia die. If that happens, Mafia lose complete control over the nominations at some point, if they're going to be able to win. Nominations are three people, and with two or more alive, they can get to mylo/lylo A WHOLE DAY FASTER by playing this way. So if you lose one member, it really doesn't do much but prolong the game, which is admittedly bad for mafia but not THE END. Two members, you start to get shaky. Three members and you have to play GODLIKE. The point of that is this: mafia bussing in this game means less than it does in a regular game. It might actually be advantageous, because the town cred you gain for being in on a mafia lynch from early on is pretty huge, especially given that there are no NK's. But it certainly isn't too damaging, as long as at least two of your members stay alive. As long as this happens, mafia have a gigantic advantage over town in the continual denial of information through the mafia-controlled lynches. To me, this basically kills any sort of town read I had on VE because of what happened day 3. Looking at his filter from an objective point of view, it's very obvious what he's been doing this game, and why. It's spelled out in bits and pieces, you just have to look for them. I don't care if I die today or if Sloosh dies. If you kill me, you can see what I've written as modconfirmed town and lynch VE based off it and get us one step closer to winning the game. If we kill Sloosh and keep me alive, I'll make sure to get VE lynched tomorrow and we'll have the information advantage of knowing exactly what mafia planned with the nominations from the very start and can make more intelligent reads based on this, and perhaps even force them out of the pattern. | ||
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I WANT YOU TO READ MY CASE NAO | ||
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Or really, how he doesn't. The fact that he chose prplhz over Snarfs is really just icing on the cake. | ||
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On February 20 2013 16:25 Oatsmaster wrote: Wait, so if someone pushes town over scum, it means he is scum? Walk it through for me. It's only partly about WHO he chooses, though that is part of it. When you look at the big picture, VE doesn't seem to be picking anyone for any particular reason. He's not pushing his reads, and his one claim to a town alignment is that he "pushed snarfs" when I've shown that he never actually did that. | ||
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On February 20 2013 16:34 Oatsmaster wrote: That seems to be bad play. Now answer my fucking question. What question, my top 2 reads? Why does it even matter that I give them to you on demand when I've handed them out like candy the whole fucking game, explanation and all? No, I want to talk about VE. Why are you suddenly against his scumminess today when not too long ago you were arguing with me about my town read on him? | ||
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On February 20 2013 16:36 Oatsmaster wrote: Well VE pushed a lurker lynch hard at the beginning, saying that it would hurt the game. He has been pretty consistent with that. Think about what you're saying. "He's pushing policy lynching, and that's a stance." No, it isn't. | ||
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Plus, you're mafia. Hah. | ||
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