EPTi havent made up my mind with you, im trying to read your town games to see why you said your a scummy-town.
I just wanted feedback on my points.
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i havent made up my mind with you, im trying to read your town games to see why you said your a scummy-town. I just wanted feedback on my points. | ||
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Theory craft With JX 3 things happened (1) People called him scummy (2) People defended him as lynch bait (3) People did not comment. If we were going to narrow down scum candidates by whether they did 1,2 or 3; which category do you think will have the highest chance of finding a scum? | ||
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Yam.. my main reason is: I assume we will end up focusing on how the 3 nominees acted during Day1 - instead of looking at how JX ended up on the table. I dont want to lose sight of this. | ||
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Serious q: considering its just us guys here, Im not sure if its valuable sharing reads. We just saying stuff and no one is giving feedback. perhaps best to just consolidate thoughts and not spam the thread? | ||
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On February 09 2013 00:31 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: I believe someone said they wanted to lynch a lurker D1. Candidates for that: JX / Palmar. I wanted to lynch JX (and suggested it) over Palmar in that case, snarfs still being my vote / priority, but I'd consolidate on JX if we really wanted to lynch a lurker because I'd rather not risk losing a town Palmar this early. Then somehow the JX wagon overtook my Snarfs wagon and all hell broke loose. How did you miss VE as the Policy Lurker advocate? + pls give feedback on: On February 08 2013 23:50 Mocsta wrote: Theory craft With JX 3 things happened (1) People called him scummy (2) People defended him as lynch bait (3) People did not comment. If we were going to narrow down scum candidates by whether they did 1,2 or 3; which category do you think will have the highest chance of finding a scum? | ||
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im looking at ways to narrow down deep analysis im still waiting for an answer | ||
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fuck this. | ||
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Points u said to snarf apply to yourself cc. Anyways. I thought dawn was over 30min ago? | ||
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Common sl0osh lead those discussions | ||
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On February 09 2013 16:21 phagga wrote: (1) While I was not 100% sold on Mocstas townieness yesterday, he is for sure the guy I would lynch last currently. (2) I have a small post put together with thoughts/questions on some other players before yesterday but did not post it because I did not want to influence nominations. I will not post it right now, as D2 is fresh and the current vote discussion is more important, but I will put it up later (latest beginning of D3). (1) If you're not "100% sold" on me: Do you have any questions you would like me to address? (2) I think it would be of great benefit if you can share that information *this* cycle. From the discussions so far, people seem believe it is 3 townies for nomination. Thus, we may as well use this cycle to discuss the happenings of the Day 1 lynch; maybe even pressure scum reads. Please share your questions/reads. | ||
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On February 09 2013 16:54 Oatsmaster wrote: Mocsta, who do you want to lynch today? I need to hear what sl0osh has to say before making a decision. Due to: On February 08 2013 15:19 slOosh wrote: mmm .... for clarity's sake: I am sitting on my reads because I also have the unique advantage of a clean slate. If I give out a wrong town read, they can put one of themselves up and "gang up" on the 3rd townie. Thus with the flip I'd look bad and they can always draw attention away from themselves by pushing it onto me. If you are concerned by my absence, just let me take front and center tomorrow, so that I can have a great showing and (re)convince you otherwise. I think we had a great D1, and I highly encourage everyone to reread it. As an aside: My main problem with sl0osh and what I need him to re-address is "Why did he think he would be up for nomination" On February 09 2013 01:15 slOosh wrote: The optimal scum play is to therefore make nominations in a way that can eliminate from this pool of people. For instance, say there were three more JX esque players - townies with much suspicion on them. Scum would be shooting themselves in the foot by putting these three up for nomination because even though it results in a mislynch, it aids town because it means someone who is 1) or 2) didn't get mislynched, which causes headaches for them late game. I think it is arguable, sl0osh missing 3/4 of Day 1 does cast suspicion on him. This is followed up by "dangling a carrot" of 'clean slate reads'. Something I was not a fan. (We all have reads, why say this?) Using his logic of optimal scum play = 3 townies; it does not make sense for him to be included. | ||
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I have phagga as a scum read as well, mainly to do with the JX interactions. (haven't read your case yet) With Palmar: I still want more on the below On February 06 2013 23:29 Palmar wrote: Btw I have a super day 2 plan to counter the mafia, just you wait. I hope he wasn't referring to: On February 09 2013 12:59 Palmar wrote: None of us are mafia, just random lynch. Can kill me if you want to. | ||
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On February 09 2013 17:46 yamato77 wrote: I suppose that makes sense. I happen to agree with your read on Phagga, so for now I suppose we just wait. Though, if we're going by your criteria, I fully expect Palmar to die today, which is less than ideal in my mind, as I explained before. You would have been my pick over him but I guess if you're playing and he's not, I'd rather have you live. ##Unvote Instead of reading this game last night, I was watching Palmars "read" video in Hero Mini. (1hr 40min takes a while) I can understand wanting to keep him alive Day1 trolling or not. In particular with the Marv quote Oats found. But as we all know, Palmar isnt a stupid guy and I would say is more than aware of Marvs quote and how to use/abuse it P.S. watching that vid was nuts. In the first 5 - 10 pages of thread he nailed pretty much all the scum (other than marv/bugs the wrong way around) My point is if he is town On February 07 2013 23:05 Palmar wrote: I can't be much around today. Very quick reading makes me want to lynch cheescake, snarfs, prplhz maybe phagga or yamato So I'll leave my vote on prplhz This list should not contain many town (if any at all). I mean, isnt this the reason town wants to gamble on him? So yes we need Palmar to "flesh out" reads/tells on CC or snarfs or prplhz If we agree with the reads (as scum) then we have 3 townies, and kill me for being the least useful (or RNG) If we dont agree with the reads (i.e majority = town), then lynch Palmar. | ||
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You are the only person I noticed that has made ZERO posts since the nominations? You are the only person I noticed that has made ZERO posts since Day2 dawn phase? Please bring us up to speed with your top scum reads based on the Day1 lynch proceedings | ||
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*Palmar unveils RNG lynch plan* On February 10 2013 02:43 VisceraEyes wrote: Yes Palmar, what's the benefit of keeping information from scum until after they've acted? On February 10 2013 02:44 Oatsmaster wrote: Because he didnt know the nominations? Maybe? On February 09 2013 18:54 Mocsta wrote: This list should not contain many town (if any at all). I mean, isnt this the reason town wants to gamble on him? So yes we need Palmar to "flesh out" reads/tells on CC or snarfs or prplhz Palmar shared his RNG lynch "super plan"... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=395690¤tpage=47#926 but what is your opinion on the below: In the same big wall of text failed to address any of those previously listed reads: citing: he is not up to date with the thread. Considering he responded to comments in Day 1 enough to recognise JX may not be scum; I find it difficult to apprehend why he can not share his reasonings for listing those people on Day 1 as scummy due to their Day 1 actions. | ||
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So you are motivated enough to actively lurk and respond when mentioned. But not motivated enough to provide your own highly regarded thoughts and reads? If as a townie u keep saying "tis OK. Lynch me" why bother to respond in the first place? Fact: I can't confirm/deny if your motivations are low. What I do know is that this setup allows for a pro town townie to NEVER be lynched or killed. I still don't get why highly regarded players (such as yourself and others) have not stepped up. This nomination mechanic is better than bodyguards. Hence i find it is peculiar it is not being taken advantage of... | ||
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On February 10 2013 12:39 jaybrundage wrote: I would also like everyones thoughts on lynching VE tmw Are you preferring VE over phagga, (i.e is VE your best scum read) or just raising interest in general? | ||
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On February 10 2013 00:03 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Mocsta + Show Spoiler [CC finding] + From the start of the thread, the interaction between Oats/him made me lean more townie on Oats than him. Just searching through his filter I was like holy crap that many pages... He hasn't been on my scumdar at all lately. Recently, he asked me to go through his discussion with Jay. One thing I found weird: On February 08 2013 13:29 Mocsta wrote: I have had a re-read of Vers guide, and starting to look for specific things in play. Jay, you are pinging the shit out of my scum-dar. -snip- On February 08 2013 14:52 Mocsta wrote: Jay, So if you dont see reasons for scum; how do you rate your town play this game as: pro-town, bad townie, or in the middle?? I still think we had different motives to consolidate. And I am still concerned you made a comment to consolidate and then fucked off. As I have said repeatedly, where is your commitment to developing your read via pressure/analysis/alternative means? Your play reads as if you dont care. All my questions regarding commitment you have dodged; why is that? Jay Do you have a top scum read? & why Who is your top town read? & why If you can answer these simple questions, that would go a way towards showing me you actually care. On February 08 2013 23:02 Mocsta wrote: CC can you give thoughts on the convo between me/jay do you see good townie, bad townie, or other? Am I the only one that finds this weird? Calls him scum then keeps asking if he's a good town or bad town... Maybe he knows Jay is town? Who really cares what Jay thinks of his town play anyway, it doesn't help us find scum. Perhaps, but a 9 page filter already... Mocsta (generally) seems rather pro-town at this stage. With a 9 page filter he's certainly not being apprehensive, but scum mocsta isn't afraid to do that. I'm a bit curious of him at this stage, rather leaning townie. Mr.CC not sure if you wanted me to answer this, or just musings; but will treat it as a question. I noticed peculiarities in Jay play. I called him out on it. I didn't want to jump to conclusions on Jay due to the JX lynch; i.e. the whole "bad townie" / "too scum to be scum" type play style. If I ask people to look for scum tells in his play; I think it gives them (town AND scum) permission to be Confirmation Biased in the filter read. If you ask for bad townie, at least people are trying to create mental arguments for why it is town or scum play. I think this leads to a better read in the end. + Show Spoiler [CC. phagga read] + Phagga He's really friggen paranoid. Take a look-see On February 06 2013 18:55 phagga wrote: I never wanted to imply those things. I see Oats behaviour as disruptive, and I see how he misinterpreted your posts. It is also fine that you call him out on this, it's just the way you did it on a few occasions that got my attention. First, I never ever wanted to suggest we RNG the votes! That would kill of discussion and is absolutely unnecessary. I just wanted to say that statistically, random lynches on D1 would be more successful than what town normally is doing, hence lynching lurkers (who can be a liability for town later on) D1 is a viable option. Nevertheless, our goal has to be to find scum and lynch them, starting D1. How the D1 lynch should go down IMO: - If we have a clear scum suspect, let's lynch him - If not, but there is a lurker who we can not get any alignement of, lynch him. Finally, only because the setup SHOULD mitigate lurking does not mean there will be no lurkers. I mentioned this earlier and it still bugs me. "Holy crap I didn't mean to come off scummy I never ever meant to suggest we RNG votes thats so anti-town I'm not anti-town guys seriously". Phagga comes off as suuuuuper paranoid, like he's got something to cover up. In addition, the bottom bolded part is more obvious than Mr. Obvious McObvious. Nice contribution to the thread! He also comes off as paranoid here: On February 08 2013 02:51 phagga wrote: Dude I wrote i am on the train, how about you read my posts? Yes, set on jx. My point was more about scum abusing palmars meta, his behaviour so far is just not alignement-indicative, and he is probably the only one that I would let get away with it. Snarf I feel unsure about, have to read up fully on his case on VE. I currently think he might be right about VE, so I do not want to lynch him I ask him if he'd like to lynch Snarfs with me, and completely is like "No wtf I said I'm lynching JX what are you even talking about" Next is his sheepy reasons for voting JX On February 07 2013 18:55 phagga wrote: My vote goes to JieXian for coming into the thread and voting Mocsta for a bad reason, then completely disappearing again. ##Vote JieXian Regarding Palmar: he is trolling hard, I dont know if all you got this: Nevertheless, he is trolling D1 as either town or scum, and I know how good a player he can be, so I hesitate to lynch him for now. prplhz dissappearance is worrying, might be timezone related. His filter is devoid of analysis. I hope to see some more from him in the next few hours. I will read up on Djo and Snarfs at the next possibility and comment on them. He literally gives a sentence to support it, and it's been said before. By myself and by some others. The rest of the thread he doesn't even question JX much, just keeps his vote content there while he talks about prphlz and pressures VE. He has this huge post about VE and his voting with red text and all, but never votes him... he's confident in the JX lynch somehow. It's confusing: is he avoiding talking of JX in order to distance himself from a green flip? I see no scumhunting from him in regards to JX the entirety of day. Such little interaction with him. It's like he was more concerned about a next lynch so he can set up his scumread on VE after JX dies. Also wtf is all this crap: On February 07 2013 18:56 phagga wrote: sniped by JX, but doesn't really change anything for my vote for now. On February 07 2013 22:56 phagga wrote: oh wow, I got sniped big time. Reading up. On February 08 2013 06:40 phagga wrote: Bah, sniped again. Still, it's not like this is a completely uncontested lynch. Also, where the hell is sloosh? Keeps 'getting sniped' lol. Not alignment indicative but it made me laugh. The fact that he votes but never really talks to JX should be indicative enough that he didn't care about the lynch. Leaning hard scumster on this dude. He's paranoid as hell, shitty reasons / contributions to lynching JX, and posting obvious things early game that do nothing to help town. When I said to sl00sh that I had a scum read on phagga due to JX interactions, this was PRECISELY what I was talking about. This read gives me a much townier read on you; if you were bussing phagga, I dont think scum would go into this much detail. Fact: If I survive this nomination lynch, my vote is going instantly onto phagga. | ||
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On February 10 2013 08:13 phagga wrote: Two of his 3 scum reads have already turned out to be town, that's how much he figured out the game. Only JX is confirmed. Slip of the "scum-gue" | ||
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