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On January 22 2013 11:02 debears wrote:
As I said, Djo is likely scum :D
I agree with him being weird but I see no reason to go down that road right now.
He was voting for me and while some of his posts explaining stuff for me (?) seemed odd he ended up voting me and not Chez which means he's awesome for now :p
There's better targets we should look into right now. Namely oats, maybe still Annul imo but he looks somewhat better with prplhz lynch I guess... Balancewise that is.
Grush looks utterly terrible as well but not sure if that's alignment indicative...
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+ Show Spoiler [I hear non existent people] +On January 22 2013 10:55 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 10:44 Djodref wrote:On January 22 2013 10:36 DearestSnot wrote:On January 22 2013 10:34 Djodref wrote:
According to the Chezinu rule, could we see this flip as a strong indicator for a town Chezinu ? why are you asking dumb questions? Ok, I'm trying to see if I can deduce Chezinu alignment from what happened. Would prplhz have stated that he wanted one of his teammate dead right off the bat ? I don't think so, so I believe now that Chezinu is town, but I would like anyone to tell me that I'm wrong by thinking this way. let me put it this way: why are you not trying to think for yourself? You seem to have come to a conclusion. Why is it necessary to say anything if you believe Chezinu is town? Is he under suspicion right now?
I have no problems at all with the asymmetries posed by smurf accounts at all.
Well none I can mention in this ongoing game
I do actually accept hat given the cluster fuck that exist this may actually be the clearest
and most open course of action
After all some people dont read walls of text carefully. 
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I'll admit to liking the logic behind Sandro being worried that players he found scummy/questionable voting for FT = prplhz town, but now we know that wasn't the case.
Also, given that prplhz was scum, I wouldn't be surprised if I had 2 scum, or at some point during the cycle had about 2 scum, on my list of votes. Stutters still doesn't leave me with a townie feeling, but I picked up a couple weird votes and I was in the don't lynch prplhz camp.
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On January 22 2013 11:11 AxleGreaser wrote:+ Show Spoiler [I hear non existent people] +On January 22 2013 10:55 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 10:44 Djodref wrote:On January 22 2013 10:36 DearestSnot wrote:On January 22 2013 10:34 Djodref wrote:
According to the Chezinu rule, could we see this flip as a strong indicator for a town Chezinu ? why are you asking dumb questions? Ok, I'm trying to see if I can deduce Chezinu alignment from what happened. Would prplhz have stated that he wanted one of his teammate dead right off the bat ? I don't think so, so I believe now that Chezinu is town, but I would like anyone to tell me that I'm wrong by thinking this way. let me put it this way: why are you not trying to think for yourself? You seem to have come to a conclusion. Why is it necessary to say anything if you believe Chezinu is town? Is he under suspicion right now? I have no problems at all with the asymmetries posed by smurf accounts at all. Well none I can mention in this ongoing game I do actually accept hat given the cluster fuck that exist this may actually be the clearest and most open course of action After all some people dont read walls of text carefully. Snowmen. Dogs.
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On January 22 2013 11:11 austinmcc wrote:
I'll admit to liking the logic behind Sandro being worried that players he found scummy/questionable voting for FT = prplhz town, but now we know that wasn't the case.
Also, given that prplhz was scum, I wouldn't be surprised if I had 2 scum, or at some point during the cycle had about 2 scum, on my list of votes. Stutters still doesn't leave me with a townie feeling, but I picked up a couple weird votes and I was in the don't lynch prplhz camp.
that's actually a legit point.
I started getting votes very late so I'd say there's bound to be something inside the group of people voting for you or inside the group of people voting for chez. He had 3 people voting for him as well after all and if I remember correctly you didn't get much more than that at any point.
Definitely worth a look at. inb4 another awesome ven-diagram from Toad figuring out mafia!
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On January 22 2013 11:12 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 11:11 AxleGreaser wrote:+ Show Spoiler [I hear non existent people] +On January 22 2013 10:55 wherebugsgo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 10:44 Djodref wrote:On January 22 2013 10:36 DearestSnot wrote:On January 22 2013 10:34 Djodref wrote:
According to the Chezinu rule, could we see this flip as a strong indicator for a town Chezinu ? why are you asking dumb questions? Ok, I'm trying to see if I can deduce Chezinu alignment from what happened. Would prplhz have stated that he wanted one of his teammate dead right off the bat ? I don't think so, so I believe now that Chezinu is town, but I would like anyone to tell me that I'm wrong by thinking this way. let me put it this way: why are you not trying to think for yourself? You seem to have come to a conclusion. Why is it necessary to say anything if you believe Chezinu is town? Is he under suspicion right now? I have no problems at all with the asymmetries posed by smurf accounts at all. Well none I can mention in this ongoing game I do actually accept hat given the cluster fuck that exist this may actually be the clearest and most open course of action After all some people dont read walls of text carefully. Snowmen. Dogs.
Ta
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On January 22 2013 11:10 Toadesstern wrote:I agree with him being weird but I see no reason to go down that road right now. He was voting for me and while some of his posts explaining stuff for me (?) seemed odd he ended up voting me and not Chez which means he's awesome for now :p There's better targets we should look into right now. Namely oats, maybe still Annul imo but he looks somewhat better with prplhz lynch I guess... Balancewise that is. Grush looks utterly terrible as well but not sure if that's alignment indicative...
I think Annul still looks bad.
Let's have a look at his filter. What did he do yesterday ? He tunneled Vivax and he interacted with Axle. Not to mention that Vivax couldn't reasonably be lynched yesterday, being vocal and all, at least in my eyes.
There is absolutely no mention of prplhz, and no mention of Oats as well.
His tunnel on Vivax could have prevented him to voice his opinion on other subjects. That is a common scum strategy.
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On January 22 2013 11:16 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 11:10 Toadesstern wrote:On January 22 2013 11:02 debears wrote:
As I said, Djo is likely scum :D I agree with him being weird but I see no reason to go down that road right now. He was voting for me and while some of his posts explaining stuff for me (?) seemed odd he ended up voting me and not Chez which means he's awesome for now :p There's better targets we should look into right now. Namely oats, maybe still Annul imo but he looks somewhat better with prplhz lynch I guess... Balancewise that is. Grush looks utterly terrible as well but not sure if that's alignment indicative... I think Annul still looks bad. Let's have a look at his filter. What did he do yesterday ? He tunneled Vivax and he interacted with Axle. Not to mention that Vivax couldn't reasonably be lynched yesterday, being vocal and all, at least in my eyes. There is absolutely no mention of prplhz, and no mention of Oats as well. His tunnel on Vivax could have prevented him to voice his opinion on other subjects. That is a common scum strategy.
yeah totally agree and I would like him dead very much. I can't shake of the feeling of it beeing risky after successfully lynching anther vet d1 though.
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neither annul nor mocsta mentioned prpl, Oats was pretty waffly about prpl, and JX has no mention of him either other than in response to Chezinu to ask wtf the Chezinu rule is.
fuba has one mention of prpl, and it's to say he believes prpl is the best lynch but he's not really so sure. Kinda waffly. debears has one mention of prpl, agrees with the lynch.
My guess:
not everyone on the mafia team will have avoided mentioning prpl, but these players give us a good direction to look in.
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On January 22 2013 11:21 DearestSnot wrote:
neither annul nor mocsta mentioned prpl, Oats was pretty waffly about prpl, and JX has no mention of him either other than in response to Chezinu to ask wtf the Chezinu rule is.
fuba has one mention of prpl, and it's to say he believes prpl is the best lynch but he's not really so sure. Kinda waffly. debears has one mention of prpl, agrees with the lynch.
My guess:
not everyone on the mafia team will have avoided mentioning prpl, but these players give us a good direction to look in.
Right now I'm willing to bet on fuba being town. He had his vote on austin and could easily have left it there, but instead sheeped on to me and the prplhz case.
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On January 22 2013 11:15 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 11:11 austinmcc wrote:
I'll admit to liking the logic behind Sandro being worried that players he found scummy/questionable voting for FT = prplhz town, but now we know that wasn't the case.
Also, given that prplhz was scum, I wouldn't be surprised if I had 2 scum, or at some point during the cycle had about 2 scum, on my list of votes. Stutters still doesn't leave me with a townie feeling, but I picked up a couple weird votes and I was in the don't lynch prplhz camp. that's actually a legit point. I started getting votes very late so I'd say there's bound to be something inside the group of people voting for you or inside the group of people voting for chez. He had 3 people voting for him as well after all and if I remember correctly you didn't get much more than that at any point. Definitely worth a look at. inb4 another awesome ven-diagram from Toad figuring out mafia!
The chez voters were chez/axle/grush for a while. Not exactly votes that I find informative.
The votes on me aren't wonderfully informative, given that one is from me and one was from sandroba. Bar the early votes from you and fivetouch, I had oats and djo on me at times. Late enough tonight that I'm going to put it off, but tomorrow I'll look at when in terms of the feel of the game they voted me, unless someone else has beat me to it.
I know oats's vote was a post that people had issue with, and the "Why would you vote austin when oats is voting austin?" comment was a legitimate concern when it was made. djodref's exact reasons I don't remember.
There were also some...halfvotes? BKE says he would have voted for me. I believe it was mocsta who voted me in the thread but not in the voting thread itself?
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On January 22 2013 11:23 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 11:15 Toadesstern wrote:On January 22 2013 11:11 austinmcc wrote:
I'll admit to liking the logic behind Sandro being worried that players he found scummy/questionable voting for FT = prplhz town, but now we know that wasn't the case.
Also, given that prplhz was scum, I wouldn't be surprised if I had 2 scum, or at some point during the cycle had about 2 scum, on my list of votes. Stutters still doesn't leave me with a townie feeling, but I picked up a couple weird votes and I was in the don't lynch prplhz camp. that's actually a legit point. I started getting votes very late so I'd say there's bound to be something inside the group of people voting for you or inside the group of people voting for chez. He had 3 people voting for him as well after all and if I remember correctly you didn't get much more than that at any point. Definitely worth a look at. inb4 another awesome ven-diagram from Toad figuring out mafia! The chez voters were chez/axle/grush for a while. Not exactly votes that I find informative. The votes on me aren't wonderfully informative, [...]
well when voteanalyzing you don't look at the people and their reasoning but just plain old facts, who voted who. Voting you or voting chez at a time when it was known that prplhz was FT's prime lynch candidate is or at least might be a mafia treat.
Analyzing what that means and wether that's useful information comes afterwards :p
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Ah, fuba also had a vote in this thread on me but not in the voting thread. mocsta didn't technically vote me in thread, but at some point I was his preference although he didn't want to vote yet.
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On January 22 2013 11:28 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2013 11:23 austinmcc wrote:On January 22 2013 11:15 Toadesstern wrote:On January 22 2013 11:11 austinmcc wrote:
I'll admit to liking the logic behind Sandro being worried that players he found scummy/questionable voting for FT = prplhz town, but now we know that wasn't the case.
Also, given that prplhz was scum, I wouldn't be surprised if I had 2 scum, or at some point during the cycle had about 2 scum, on my list of votes. Stutters still doesn't leave me with a townie feeling, but I picked up a couple weird votes and I was in the don't lynch prplhz camp. that's actually a legit point. I started getting votes very late so I'd say there's bound to be something inside the group of people voting for you or inside the group of people voting for chez. He had 3 people voting for him as well after all and if I remember correctly you didn't get much more than that at any point. Definitely worth a look at. inb4 another awesome ven-diagram from Toad figuring out mafia! The chez voters were chez/axle/grush for a while. Not exactly votes that I find informative. The votes on me aren't wonderfully informative, [...] well when voteanalyzing you don't look at the people and their reasoning but just plain old facts, who voted who. Voting you or voting chez at a time when it was known that prplhz was FT's prime lynch candidate is or at least might be a mafia treat. Analyzing what that means and wether that's useful information comes afterwards :p
Their votes were crazy-early from what I remember. But yeah, worth checking the exact times on.
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Gonna quit looking at game until tomorrow. Axle was very early on Chezinu, grush waited until more than 24 hours to swap his vote from himself to chez, so that one was NOT crazy-early.
Time to stop posting before actually double checking names/times.
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Hooray d1 is over an a scum got lynched.
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On January 22 2013 11:36 grush57 wrote:
Hooray d1 is over an a scum got lynched.
hey grush !
What are the starsenses saying ?
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On January 22 2013 11:02 FiveTouch wrote:
Honestly, prplhz's mafia flip just makes Oats look even worse than before. I could well have been choosing between two mafia in my deliberations.
Oats dismissed the prplhz case for no particular reason, while supporting the Stutters case, despite his general tone of not lynching for lurkers.
It's very hard to see a town Oats right now, with his attitude towards me/austin/stutters/prplhz.
I dismissed the case cause I didnt think that the changes in meta were particularly scummy. Although his random WIFOM vote for you without any explaination probably put the nail in his coffin. I didnt want a mayor lynching a lurker like BroodkingEXE and Clarity. See the difference between them and Stutters?
I attacked you earlier because you wanted to lynch me. I dont see how you being townie means that I am all nice to you when you want to lynch me. Its not a contridication, now it looks like you are making things up in order to discredit me for whatever reason.
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On January 22 2013 10:57 DearestSnot wrote:Mocsta why is it that you never once mentioned prpl before this: Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 23:27 Mocsta wrote:
Fivetouch.
If my vote went your way... Will u lynch jimi hendrix over oats?
Are u concerned that mr.brown bear could be sheriff and has barely inputted to the thread?
Because I had nothing to contribute further on purplehaze. 5Touch points sounded convincing, and IIRC everyone else was bantering about his meta.
I said myself before, I went through Oats filter and found aspects questionable so whilst comfortable with his lynch, I would have preferred someone else.
Lastly, it was clear 5Touch was becoming mayor, and I wanted to know if he would lynch prpl instead of oats. he did. and the right choice was made.
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On January 22 2013 11:23 austinmcc wrote:
I believe it was mocsta who voted me in the thread but not in the voting thread itself?
Wasn't me.
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