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On January 27 2013 23:14 Vivax wrote:
Nono wait:
I said before I got a red check back.
Now Mocsta comes in and says that he assumes I got a green check back from checking yamato.
How the fuck does that makes sense?
Mocsta is scum.
You didn't say you got a red check. You said we were lynching your target today. There is a significant difference.
Both of those posts are lies.
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Oh, and since I've posted at least one scumread, I'm allowing myself to defend... myself.
I think those voting for me are looking at this the wrong way. Did you think my grand scum plan was to passively lynch all of my scummates without gaining any towncred for it? You're right in that I was "blendy". Town has lynched only scum so far. I am town.
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On January 28 2013 02:01 Vivax wrote:
Wow really? They are lies? Oh shit, dude. You got me.
So you admit to voting moscta based on a lie? That's almost all the proof I need.
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Well shit... that BKE flip was really unexpected.
Is the number of mafia masons limited to 2? And is it possible for scum to have more than one of each role?
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BKE said that he didn't have his bomb on anyone.
On January 27 2013 02:54 BroodKingEXE wrote:
This is really unfortunate. Bad luck this week with business. I'm Mad Hatter, I'm like 90% sure I'm not going to be able to make it past the next day, so it would be better if a vig shot me tonight and I put my bomb on someone.
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On January 28 2013 08:26 Mocsta wrote:AllMy vote is going on Chezinu + Vivax Show nested quote +On January 25 2013 09:17 Mocsta wrote:On January 25 2013 09:12 Vivax wrote:
Toad said there is another DT, since that DT is unknown and his check is supposed to "go off", he can just jail me and there will still be one DT working right? For now I'm the only 100% confirmed town (after the gonzaw flip)
. Your not confirmed town in my eyes. If you hit a second mafia then I will reconsider..
With your play so far im not ruling out a bus. I never ruled out a bus from Vivax, due to the consistent anti-town play. This sparked my curiosity over night. (It is clutching at straws a bit, but the release is just too convenient not to ride with considering all of Vivax actions this game) This is specifically something, Chezinu raised to me via mason PM (and I assume Chezinu and his other masons) Its from the 6 weapons of influence: #1 Reciprocity, #2 Consistency, #3 Social Proof, #4 Liking, #5 Authority, #6 Scarcity Check this out. Show nested quote +On January 24 2013 09:29 Mocsta wrote:On January 24 2013 09:05 Chezinu wrote:
5touch if you did get the logs, you should totally read my thread. There is a special number there. Its in bold. On January 22 2013 06:40 Chezinu wrote:On January 22 2013 06:32 austinmcc wrote:On January 22 2013 06:28 Vivax wrote:
It's simple austin, cause I don't trust you. I'd rather have a troll have the seat than someone who might be scum. Alright, but you became remarkably inconsistent. #4, its important.  Chezinu.. I like this game  See why now I used the word Liked.. its due to Chez saying #4 The below is me antagonising Chez using his own "code words" Show nested quote +On January 25 2013 16:56 Mocsta wrote:
Chezinu
When the game started, you held a lot of authority. Supplementing this, many seemed to like you.
As the game progressed your contributions became scarce.
I think you blamed the lack of commitment due to midterms.
Now that 2 mafia have been lynched, your activity has spruced.. coincidence? What are you planning to reciprocate back to town, now that your activity has increased? I never thought he was town, but I didnt have anything to directly suggest he was scum. The problem is.. again.. Vivax release of jsut the word "reciprocity" it has brought me back to Chezinu.. Vivax said they didn't mason, so now im thinking scum qt... (had to rush this to get it out b4 lynch deadline)
I understand how you believe this associates Chezinu with Vivax in a scummy way. But why would scum Vivax knowingly use a code word that should only be known to Chez and his masons?
And am I only bumped up to the top of the list if you decide not to lynch Vivax or Annul?
@All who have masoned or been masoned by Chezinu, could we see your logs?
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On January 28 2013 19:16 Mocsta wrote:The logs between Chez and I as promised. I am posting this incase I am a target for the NK for whatever reasonI do not have the IRC stuff, but that is where we discussed the 6 weapons of influence etc (i.e. #1 reciprocity etc) Anyways, of note.. Chezinu says: Show nested quote +On January 28 2013 19:13 Mocsta wrote:
Chezinu
grush - I've seen him play mafia a lot. He is usually the first to go.
As townie, I don't know.
Toad no like grush
Grush like yam!
Chez is now confirmed mafia, and says he not sure if Grush is town. WHAT is weird. is.. Chezinu says "Grush like yam!"... this was WAY before yamato came out and said Grush mason him. Im not sure what to make of this... just got home from another bbq, so not in the mood to think.
Thanks. I'll take a better look at the logs when I wake up.
On January 28 2013 19:45 annul wrote:
did chez use his ability on yamato, or is yamato also a mason and yamato used his power to talk to chez?
I'm pretty sure yamato masoned chez. I'm not sure who chez masoned D1. Do we know who grush masoned D2, D3? It seems he also missed his second vote, so he's kind of on my mind.
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On January 28 2013 23:08 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2013 20:12 mkfuba07 wrote:On January 28 2013 19:16 Mocsta wrote:The logs between Chez and I as promised. I am posting this incase I am a target for the NK for whatever reasonI do not have the IRC stuff, but that is where we discussed the 6 weapons of influence etc (i.e. #1 reciprocity etc) Anyways, of note.. Chezinu says: On January 28 2013 19:13 Mocsta wrote:
Chezinu
grush - I've seen him play mafia a lot. He is usually the first to go.
As townie, I don't know.
Toad no like grush
Grush like yam!
Chez is now confirmed mafia, and says he not sure if Grush is town. WHAT is weird. is.. Chezinu says "Grush like yam!"... this was WAY before yamato came out and said Grush mason him. Im not sure what to make of this... just got home from another bbq, so not in the mood to think. Thanks. I'll take a better look at the logs when I wake up. On January 28 2013 19:45 annul wrote:
did chez use his ability on yamato, or is yamato also a mason and yamato used his power to talk to chez? I'm pretty sure yamato masoned chez. I'm not sure who chez masoned D1. Do we know who grush masoned D2, D3? It seems he also missed his second vote, so he's kind of on my mind. What do you make of this?
I don't see how it would be a scumslip, and I'm not even sure it's a bold assumption. I'd have to check filters again, but I remember phrases such as "the two who masoned Chezinu yesterday masoned me today", and they made me think this way.
I'm not even gonna ask you to explain why it's a scumslip though, because I know I'm not mafia, and I'm back to thinking you're town.
@All: Who did Chez mason D1?
@yamato: Do you have your chezinu logs?
@FT: Same question, but might I also ask for the D2 logs of you with mocsta and yamato?
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On January 29 2013 02:12 yamato77 wrote:
Also, I have my logs but they really, really don't matter.
Would you mind posting them anyway before the daypost?
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And FT. should I just assume that's a 'no' on the chezinu, mocsta, and yamato logs?
Is it possible for there to be more than one of each mafia role (excluding mason)? The OP seems a bit ambiguous and I could read it either way. I PM'd BC, but no response yet.
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On January 29 2013 07:18 FiveTouch wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 06:55 grush57 wrote:
Why does no one care that I'm barely posting? :'(
Austin, why are you scum?
Vivax, explain all your dt checks plox. I keep asking you things and you keep not replying. Are you a mason? If so, who have you masoned every day? fuba: Mocsta and Yamato are free to post our logs, but they take a lot of effort getting all the threads together. Mostly I'm talking to them about Oats and trying to stop them ranting (especially yamato) at Vivax in-thread.
Alright, thanks.
On January 29 2013 06:20 mkfuba07 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2013 02:12 yamato77 wrote:
Also, I have my logs but they really, really don't matter. Would you mind posting them anyway before the daypost?
Scratch this. Just tell me when he first responded to you plz?
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Chill out mocsta. I'm trying to get a handle on the thread.
Anything specific you'd like me to talk about?
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On January 29 2013 08:42 FiveTouch wrote:
fuba, given you sat on your mafia-read on Vivax for a while, why the sudden change of mind?
It's really hard to explain why I find vivax town, haha
Yesterday/last night I went through much of the game, and it reminded me why I found him town in the first place. I had started filtering his posts through my own opinions of the game thus far. I found the fact that he's suspicious of everyone in the game suspicious. His suspicion seemed too widespread and volatile (I felt like he jumped from trust and distrust too quickly). I also thought that BKE was going to flip scum, so half of the things he was saying, seeming to imply some scum relationship between two players, seemed like he was leaving his options open under the guise of lunacy. I thought that scum selected him as godfather after much of town said they found him really town so he could impersonate a DT, then unveiled himself as a "guaranteed" town based on his D1 and the gonzaw lynch. The role speculation, which I should really stop doing because the excitement at believing I've cracked the scum roles seems to turn me into a moron, really messed with me. The fact that there was already a flipped DT made me question the validity of the other claim, and his play after becoming "confirmed" just seemed disruptive and argumentative.
After the flip and reading through the thread again, it felt like all of my suspicions were gone. There were still two scum, which was why I was searching for "last scum" type play. The godfather + mad hatter flip forced me to reconsider the likelihood of there being two DTs. As I said in the original post, if it is possible, I thought it was probable. I find it, not impossible, but incredibly unlikely. The read through the thread gave me a clearer picture of vivax than my memories did, and I could see reason behind what he said. I mean, some of it was ridiculous, but I no longer think he was behaving maliciously.
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I liked the check too. One less person to worry about
To answer mocsta's questions (sorry it's... er... late): I was asking for logs for a comparison. I was still unsure about mocsta's alignment, and I found it unlikely that scum chenizu and scum mocsta would have prepared an extra set of convo logs. I wanted yamato's to compare the two, which was why I was waiting for his. Mocsta responded so quickly I doubted they were faked, but a fake conversation between two scum would look different than a true convo between a scum and a townie. I wanted to see them anyway just to gain any information I could, but I accepted FT and yamato's responses, since I'd found someone I was more interested in.
I've got a case on austin coming up, but it could take a bit. Or I could just post the first bit and discuss it while writing up the next bit? I'll probably do that.
@FT: It was obvious for me. But I also thought his actions were reasonable at the time. If we could have found someone else to lynch, I would probably have voted differently based on my annul read. You're making me question him now, though. Especially the quote vivax pointed out.
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Yamato, I had started writing it and then he flipped. Figured I'd still answer the question.
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Alright, I decided that my "case" was more of a discussion piece. It's rolling around in my head, and I keep running into things that I want to check. Instead I'm just going to explain the overall idea and let people ponder it.
So, my theory is that it was mafia's intention to get chez elected mayor D1. if you read this post:
On January 20 2013 23:51 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 14:20 Djodref wrote:
@ austin
How do you feel about this mayoral election ? Why did you avoid the subject so far ?
Would you run a campaign ? Who would you vote for if you had to choose right now and why ? How do I feel about the mayoral election is...vague. I feel like we should elect a mayor. I'd prefer to elect someone whose judgment and reads I trust, and especially someone who I think needs protecting. There's not really much to "feel" about the election. Nor is there a need to say that, because everyone should be looking for the same qualities in their mayoral vote. I would...be mayor if I got voted mayor, but I don't see much need to campaign. If people trust me and want to keep me alive, great, and I'd take it. Overall, I kind of like the idea of electing someone NOT campaigning, or considering it. If someone doesn't campaign and has to get votes naturally, then town votes will gravitate towards the sort of person we really want for mayor. However, I'm not sure about that, because a campaign-focused election means scum has to campaign for mayor to win, be visible, whereas a non-campaign election means scum might have to vote for their scumbuddy to get a scum-mayor and provide reasoning for doing so, perhaps out themselves for later. I don't think that matters much, because (1) any scum running for mayor should be someone they feel can handle the position, and won't get outed just from being visible; and (2) don't think scum are going to go nuts connecting themselves on D1 just to get the mayor position. There's my ramble, enjoy. If I had to vote for someone RIGHT NOW, I'd vote toad or myself. Myself because I'm town and trust myself, so it's the only mayor I could be CERTAIN would be town. Toad because I've found some of his comments townie, and based on LV (I think it was LV) I know that he can be a useful townie when he has mason capabilities. OH HEY, IMPORTANT THING. Since masons choose someone each cycle and then can't mason that person again, one quality I'm SPECIFICALLY looking for in a mayor is someone I trust in mason circles. I have seen toad plot within a mason circle, which makes me think he'd be a good mayor as he can set plans in motion for LATER given only a single cycle with masons (unless I'm giving him too much credit). Mayor gets the lynch today, a vote, the bodyguards, but will also be a key person for the mason roles in this game, both town and mafia. Needs to be able to read the people who mason him, perhaps set plans/traps in motion to figure out which masons were town/mafia, as well as just generally use being the other half of most mason pairs well.
I feel that that is an interesting emphasis, given what we know now. Why such strong emphasis on masons? At this point, town austin knew nothing about any masons, because he's a vet. Scum, however, were aware of at least 4 masons at this point. Chez was either aligned with or in direct communication with them. In addition, he appears to have tried to set up some kind of mason communication network that I still don't fully understand. Feasible that they were working together?
Austin later feels the need to insert himself into yamato and vivax's conversation/argument/whatever they had in order to tell us that chez should definitely be a candidate, even if he's not voting for him. He says that if you are convinced he's town, he is a top choice. But he is not convinced. Either way, it's a recurring theme in his filter. After it is pretty clear that chezinu isn't getting elected, he comments on gonzaw, saying at least once that he feels gonzaw would be a good candidate, but only if you believe he is town. But austin doesn't believe he's town, so he's not voting for him. He supports their elections, as long as he isn't the one to do it. These were two scum.
There's a bit more, but I've gotta head out for a bit. I'll add more when I get back.
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This was so long ago...
Did you get those significant scums reads...
>the first thing I decided upon that I would call a significant scumread was vivax. I actually had my own reasoning behind it. I later decided he wasn't scum for reasons already in the thread.
Are you a player that in your experience is likely too...
>To have scumreads? Every so often I'll mention one. You may notice one right above your post.
If not why promise what wont be coming?
>See the answer above.
I'm already exhausted, and I still have tons of homework to finish, so I'll just respond to these two points that FT raised.
On January 29 2013 01:10 FiveTouch wrote:
I'm not really figuring Chez in too heavily to my candidate considerations, he was an outlier. gonzaw/toad/austin were the serious candidates for sherriff, I don't think Chez was ever going to happen.
annul, I don't really have any game-changing information or anything that would stop someone being mafia (apart from the one toad knows about). If I implied so / it read so, it shouldn't, my apologies.
Chez started off alright. I think they saw an opportunity for a chez mayor. I think austin was trying to encourage the town masons to vote for chez.
On January 29 2013 01:36 FiveTouch wrote:
The reason that Vivax quoted of bugs is an extremely good reason not to, actually.
Three major candidates for sherriff - toad, austin, gonzaw. If both gonzaw/austin are mafia then they shouldn't have been running against each other so late in the day, or they should have been giving themselves options to try to get the other into power. None of these things happened.
As for this, I'll just repeat that I think they were trying to get chez elected sheriff. After that didn't pan out, they went for austin or gonzaw sheriff. Probably gonzaw, as austin said he didn't think he (austin) was the best candidate, and chez or gonzaw would be good if found townie. It was like he was trying to convince us (particularly the town masons, but could also somewhat extend to other town) to convince others that chez or gonzaw was townie enough to elect.
Poke holes in what I've said, and I'll try to fill them in. It'll probably take less time than me trying to figure it all out on my own and then trying to put it into words.
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Axel, any thoughts about what I said about austin?
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You say you think [b]stutters[b] and annul are mafia, then you say that stutters and oats are the least useful townies in the game?
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You can't frame the same person twice.
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