EPTOn February 01 2013 23:40 FiveTouch wrote:
Yeah, but I do.
Plus he's just trolling us at the moment, look.
Yeah, but I do.
Plus he's just trolling us at the moment, look.
Nah, marv. I'm just trolling you.
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mkfuba07
United States1151 Posts
Nah, marv. I'm just trolling you. | ||
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
On February 02 2013 00:57 Toadesstern wrote: screw this, let's lynch Annul first. Who are you on right now FT? Was it fuba + oats? I'm willing to let go of Adam for 1 or 2 days although I don't give a crap about anything meta a player is able to figure out himself because if they're aware of it they can just not do it as mafia... There's being able to figure it out, and there's being able to do something about it. If you look at all Adam's games, he's reserved, lurky (more so than here), and detached. Even when you 'figure this out', it's very hard to fake not being all these things, because they're emotional, attitude things. Most people aren't like you and me (or gonzaw, bugs) where we're very good at being able to fake town emotions for quite a long time. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On February 02 2013 00:53 FiveTouch wrote: Yes, but it's retarded. Just look at my play. The same argument I made for Toad being town could have been made for me, by the way. As Axle's team-mate obviously I tell him to claim medic... By the way, Given 3/5 of the mafia were on gonzaw, looks like they were trying pretty hard to get gonzaw into a position. Chez's vote doesn't much count imo. If it made a difference, then it would be trying hard to get gonzaw into an elected position. But since it was a last minute vote that changed NOTHING, it's not really an attempt to get Gonzaw elected. Realistically, Gonzaw and one other mafia for voted Gonzaw, and another mafia, for whatever reason, threw his vote away last minute. His candidacy just sort of sat stagnant for most of D1. I'd disagree that it's retarded to say, "These guys have played townishly all game, so they are probably town. However, there is still the CHANCE that one of them is mafia, and it would explain some of the weirdness of the NKs/cop being around." Any "Well I could have done x scummier thing" argument is meaningless, because everyone KNOWS you guys have looked town. The chance that you guys have to be scum is almost entirely predicated on you NOT doing the scummiest things all the time, you just bus teammates and ride uncheckability + townieness to the win. Axle being alive wasn't worth any KP to the scum team, so if the plan involves making it to lategame on town cred, there's not actually much to be lost in killing him. | ||
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
The problem is not even that you've been constantly wrong - it's that even when led to the correct solution, you fight about it and refuse to go along with it. It's horrible :/ Technically it's possible for Toad or me to be mafia. Realistically, it's almost impossible. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On February 02 2013 01:01 FiveTouch wrote: There's being able to figure it out, and there's being able to do something about it. If you look at all Adam's games, he's reserved, lurky (more so than here), and detached. Even when you 'figure this out', it's very hard to fake not being all these things, because they're emotional, attitude things. Most people aren't like you and me (or gonzaw, bugs) where we're very good at being able to fake town emotions for quite a long time. that seems so weird. Why would you not be able to do that... I'd say it's rather because people just aren't able to figure out their own different styles in the first place but whatever, trusting you on this one. Annul + fuba, or Annul + oats, or fuba + oat? With me hinting at I want to keep oats around for 1 or 2 more days to see if mafia shoots him there's clearly no reason to do that anymore because mafia knows about that as well as I was forced to explain my reasoning, so wouldn't mind lynching into oats as much as I was 2 or 3 hours ago... Still not sure what to make of Vivax and I'm not only talking about the possibility of him being mafia. He got us a red check on d1 when a lot of people mentioned gonzaw being a good target for the d2 lynch way before he mentioned it. It might have been a bus after all, especially considering his choice of targets afterwards... bugs, debears, austin, all 3 people who conveniently either died before his check got in or already claimed. It's the perfect oder to "check" people as mafia fakeclaimer. He could have EASILY proven to be a town DT by checking someone who hasn't claimed yet but didn't do so. If he's not mafia himself it is REALLY weird that he's still around. Why would mafia leave him alive? I just don't see them shooting people like Yamato instead of Vivax unless it's really a 3GF-setup, which would be bullshit. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On February 02 2013 01:12 Toadesstern wrote: It's weird, and he certainly played disruptive for a lot of the game, but there's no need to fire into him today.that seems so weird. Why would you not be able to do that... I'd say it's rather because people just aren't able to figure out their own different styles in the first place but whatever, trusting you on this one. Annul + fuba, or Annul + oats, or fuba + oat? With me hinting at I want to keep oats around for 1 or 2 more days to see if mafia shoots him there's clearly no reason to do that anymore because mafia knows about that as well as I was forced to explain my reasoning, so wouldn't mind lynching into oats as much as I was 2 or 3 hours ago... Still not sure what to make of Vivax and I'm not only talking about the possibility of him being mafia. He got us a red check on d1 when a lot of people mentioned gonzaw being a good target for the d2 lynch way before he mentioned it. It might have been a bus after all, especially considering his choice of targets afterwards... bugs, debears, austin, all 3 people who conveniently either died before his check got in or already claimed. It's the perfect oder to "check" people as mafia fakeclaimer. He could have EASILY proven to be a town DT by checking someone who hasn't claimed yet but didn't do so. If he's not mafia himself it is REALLY weird that he's still around. Why would mafia leave him alive? I just don't see them shooting people like Yamato instead of Vivax unless it's really a 3GF-setup, which would be bullshit. He's a check a day if he's town, big positive, and we'll kill him in a cycle or two before LYLO hits if he's scum, just to be sure. I'd also disagree that he could have checked people who haven't claimed for magical confirmation, because it seems ALMOST certain that all our roles are outed at this point. No matter who he chooses, he just says they check out vanilla if they haven't claimed, and is probably correct. | ||
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Vivax
22420 Posts
Bugs didn't get it after I asked him to look at gonzaw, and he voted Oats after saying the whole time that he is town. One of the reasons I checked him btw. Being sure that yamato was scum thinking I'm DT and preparing to write a bus post, I claimed while you, Bugs and FT decided to lynch Oats already. | ||
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
So we leave Oats alive today, then they kill Vivax? Then what do we do? Or we leave Oats alive today, and they kill debears? Then what? | ||
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Vivax
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On February 02 2013 01:16 Vivax wrote: Toad, don't be ridiculous. I tried to figure out opinions about gonzaw before I claimed, and you, Bugs and FT all were opposed to lynching him. Bugs didn't get it after I asked him to look at gonzaw, and he voted Oats after saying the whole time that he is town. One of the reasons I checked him btw. Being sure that yamato was scum thinking I'm DT and preparing to write a bus post, I claimed while you, Bugs and FT decided to lynch Oats already. oh sry my bad, I didn't post the logs between bugs and me yet, did I? In fact I was around at the deadline (2am my time) when the kills came in and both bugs and I instantly said that we should reconsider gonzaw and consider him a lynch the second we saw the night hits. I mean, you even mentioned that my opinion on gonzaw changed so drastically when you thought I'm mafia d2 because I thought gonzaw to be town d1 and mafia on d2. But yeah, guess it's understandable without the logs being posted. When did bugs or I say gonzaw is town post-d2? | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On February 02 2013 01:17 FiveTouch wrote: Who even cares if it's Vivax? It's impossible for him to win if it is. So we leave Oats alive today, then they kill Vivax? Then what do we do? Or we leave Oats alive today, and they kill debears? Then what? it would give us some information about why they keep him alive. It could be he's mafia or it could be some of our "confirmed" townies isn't confirmed because it's a 3GF scenario. I agree we shouldn't lynch him today though. | ||
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
We just lynch down my list and win. Oats/fuba today, annul the next day, grush the next, Adam the next. Something like that. In between you confirm someone as not-mafia OR give us an extra lynch (same difference) if mafia withold their kill. It's really easy and people need to stop overcomplicating. | ||
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Vivax
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
On February 02 2013 01:26 Vivax wrote: Toad, don't try to fool my memory, you said you would mason Bugs after the night he would get killed.. Toad masoned bugs day 2 | ||
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mkfuba07
United States1151 Posts
The threat to him yesterday wasn't a DT, it was yamato. | ||
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Vivax
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
On February 02 2013 01:25 FiveTouch wrote: I'm not really willing to consider a 3 GF scenario in an already-nerfed setup for town. I don't think BC is that bad at balancing. We just lynch down my list and win. Oats/fuba today, annul the next day, grush the next, Adam the next. Something like that. In between you confirm someone as not-mafia OR give us an extra lynch (same difference) if mafia withold their kill. It's really easy and people need to stop overcomplicating. Agreed. I'd have to see some really convincing shit to consider you or toad scum and your plan is sound otherwise. I'll be sheeping it. | ||
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Vivax
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On February 02 2013 01:27 Vivax wrote: Well he said something along the lines: "I will contact that DT after he got his check off this night" I lied because you almost made me claim bugs / axle (who I thought to be medic at that time) and didn't want you to know bugs is the DT? | ||
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Vivax
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