EPTSeveral times when he got unsure it was on a scum he tunneled early on, who panicked, came back and did a bunch of shit, only to make sandro unsure.
Sadly when I get unsure and back off, sometimes it's on a scum...when I don't, it's on a townie -_-
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DearestSnot
Germany200 Posts
Several times when he got unsure it was on a scum he tunneled early on, who panicked, came back and did a bunch of shit, only to make sandro unsure. Sadly when I get unsure and back off, sometimes it's on a scum...when I don't, it's on a townie -_- | ||
yamato77
11589 Posts
I hope to come back to a red flip. Don't do anything stupid like switch off Gonzaw. | ||
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grush57
Korea (South)2582 Posts
Also get BKE tommorow. | ||
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BroodKingEXE
United States829 Posts
On January 25 2013 05:09 yamato77 wrote: BKE it's best to just ignore what Vivax is saying, because despite the fact that he's obviously wrong and full of shit, he's still most likely town. Derp, of course scum fake claim = instalynch. ##Vote: Gonzaw | ||
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grush57
Korea (South)2582 Posts
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BroodKingEXE
United States829 Posts
On January 25 2013 05:28 grush57 wrote: BKE why do you have to post at the same time I do :'( We think on the same wavelength  | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
watch grush. Now you're dead  Anyways going to bed. Lynch gonzaw, don't listen to anything vivax says unless it's "lynch gonzaw" | ||
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grush57
Korea (South)2582 Posts
On January 25 2013 05:25 grush57 wrote: I guess I'll vote sandro. Also get BKE tommorow. lol sandro wtf i meant gonzaw | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On January 25 2013 04:04 Vivax wrote: I think that you are borderline nonsensical, but the fact that you're making all these connections off everything makes me more certain that you aren't faking this check. If you're making up the Gonzaw check, then you have little reason to make all these other reads when it's all going to fall apart.Austin, what do you think about the points raised about yamato and FT regarding their stance on gonzaw? As to those players themselves, I think your points are not strong. FT is either town or is mafia doing everything he can to appear town and lead town - i.e., not the stuff that you're jumping on him for. Yamato I believe I have as town, weaker, but...you seem to be saying both that: (1) anyone who said something positive about Gonzaw is mafia trying to make him look good; and (2) anyone who said something negative about Gonzaw is mafia trying to bus him. That is sillypants. Sillypants to the max. ESPECIALLY for yamato to be "bussing" a guy who, at least to me, didn't feel like a legitimate lynch for a while (early early today when everyone was on annul or oats). Maybe nobody was masoned by Gonzaw, but this post is super super important and is getting lost in the other crap. On January 25 2013 03:51 annul wrote: did anyone mason with gonzaw this game? if so speak up please On January 25 2013 03:51 annul wrote: did anyone mason with gonzaw this game? if so speak up please On January 25 2013 03:51 annul wrote: did anyone mason with gonzaw this game? if so speak up please On January 25 2013 03:51 annul wrote: did anyone mason with gonzaw this game? if so speak up please IF nobody has been masoned with gonzaw, then...it's up to each of us to determine whether we think he's: (1) a mason that hasn't masoned anyone; (2) a townie who got framed N1; or (3) a townie and vivax is lying. JX had some people thinking he was mafia. Possible he was a vig shot. Possible scum went sandro/bugs/djodref or some other combination, or only shot two players, or whatever. After the NKs, debears and maybe others were asking why those shots and not Gonzaw/I, his examples. So...in terms of people that I could see getting framed, Gonzaw would be one of the better candidates. Can't frame toad or FT, shooting sandro, so imo the best frame targets were like bugs/Gonzaw/Chez maybe? It's...possible. You have to weigh that possibility of a frame against the possibility Gonzaw, as mason, wouldn't mason anyone (if nobody claims) | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
The first part is...irrelevant right now I think? I can't remember why I put that there. | ||
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
On the other hand, gonzaw coming back to the thread, admitting he's been pretty lazy, and leaving again - this doesn't look so good for him. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On January 25 2013 05:54 FiveTouch wrote: Its the mason bit that bugs me. Whatever he does in thread, if he were a mason, someone should have spoken up or else he just...didn't use his power for 2 days?You're right, actually, he's not a bad frame target. I hadn't considered that so much. On the other hand, gonzaw coming back to the thread, admitting he's been pretty lazy, and leaving again - this doesn't look so good for him. Possible mafia decided not to risk using their masons, and maybe try to screw with our heads later on ("we haven't seen any mafia masons, better name the masons and we can figure out which are mafia" or something to that effect), but that doesn't feel likely. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
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Vivax
22102 Posts
I think you having doubts about this stuff makes you look a little better. I don't think scum would doubt that gonzaw is scum at this point. What you still utterly fail at is being incredibly gullible in case you're town and letting marv and Toad get away with withholding their information regarding other masons and alleged blue powerroles, but you feel the need to quote annul and his legitimate question without actually pursuing the information that is not being disclosed and that makes you look rather worse. | ||
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
On January 25 2013 06:11 Vivax wrote: @ austinmcc I think you having doubts about this stuff makes you look a little better. I don't think scum would doubt that gonzaw is scum at this point. What you still utterly fail at is being incredibly gullible in case you're town and letting marv and Toad get away with withholding their information regarding other masons and alleged blue powerroles, but you feel the need to quote annul and his legitimate question without actually pursuing the information that is not being disclosed and that makes you look rather worse. Care to answer my question, Vivax? On January 25 2013 05:08 FiveTouch wrote: I lynched prplhz off very few posts as well, remember. Vivax, riddle me this - I was pushing Oats and prplhz hard all through Day 1. Given gonzaw looks set to flip mafia, this obviously makes Oats look more likely town. Towards the end of Day 1 I had sandroba urging me to lynch Oatsmaster, and not prplhz. Yet I chose prplhz. Why? | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
I find it highly unlikely that a mason, even a mafia mason, wouldn't use his power for two straight days. A jack mason could possibly even mason 2 people on a day, if they stack, and then he's passed up three activations. The only way that makes sense to me is to eventually use as a way to get the names of all the masons, and to be able to start cutting them down. But by the time that plan came to fruition, you'd be days into the game. I don't like the idea of the mafia trading their ability to use the mason power to influence people for a potential benefit later on, getting to identify town masons. I think the odds that Gonzaw was framed or that Vivax is lying are higher than the odds that mafia decided to go with a strategy of holding all mason powers. One vet, and one smurf who may be a vet, can't be DTed. Sandroba was set to be shot, no need for you to frame him. In my mind, that leaves Bugs, Chez, Gonzaw, and maybe me as good frame options? I don't think I'd get checked over people in that group. I feel like I was active enough D1 that people could read me, wouldn't check me, and I don't think anyone finds me particularly dangerous, in the sense that I'd be a D1 check option. Bugs, Chez, gonzaw more likely fit that role. Toad was talking about jailing bugs or sandro, so maybe don't waste a frame there? Chez and Gonzaw. Neither a bad check N1. Knowing where Chez coming from useful. Knowing where Gonzaw coming from useful, AND we know that he pushed a little harder to be mayor and had slightly more in the way of reads than Chez did (imo). I think he's a really decent option for a N1 frame. Earlier I didn't think scum would be crafty enough to frame someone as "x + mason," but...given that we can check Gonzaw again tonight and find out for SURE (OP says can't frame same person twice), I'd rather not kill him today. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On January 25 2013 06:11 Vivax wrote: The use of "waffle" =/= marv. Is marv in this game? Nope. So it could be marv. But saying "waffle" once isn't person-defining in my book. Honestly, I looked at some of his posts for "dear" and "sweetie" in an attempt to identify marv, and am currently on not-marv because of the lack of those.@ austinmcc I think you having doubts about this stuff makes you look a little better. I don't think scum would doubt that gonzaw is scum at this point. What you still utterly fail at is being incredibly gullible in case you're town and letting marv and Toad get away with withholding their information regarding other masons and alleged blue powerroles, but you feel the need to quote annul and his legitimate question without actually pursuing the information that is not being disclosed and that makes you look rather worse. As far as the other masons and alleged blue power roles, yes. I'm more than happy to let people withhold that information. Here's the thing. I usually go crazy over setups. I love to speculate, guess roles, try to use roles to win, etc. It usually ends poorly for me. One of the parts of my mafia game that I need to work on is de-emphasizing roles and relying more on actually basic scumhunting and filtering. I often devolve into trying to get alignments based off roles and setups, and frankly it's just not as effective as the games where I don't do any of that. So I don't care about the roles for right now. Heck, look at me yesterday, going crazy over the mason roles and not paying attention to the fact there can be more than one mafia mason. LOOK AT THIS THREAD TODAY, with everyone going nuts over DTs and masons and everything. We're lynching Gonzaw, as a town, because there's a red check on him. Some players think he's scummy based on his play, but look at how many votes he has because of the check. He would not be getting majority lynched today based on scummy play, it is only because he has a red check and is an effortless lynch or mislynch. I like that less and less as I keep reading today. Annul asked a very legitimate question and it got lost, because we're just going nuts over roles and who is connected by role and everything else. I would rather cut all that crap away. Gonzaw's PLAY felt townie to me. So for now, I am going to think he's town and was framed, and I would like for you, but nobody else, to recheck him tonight. Anyone who wants to lynch Gonzaw needs to be able to articulate why they think he wouldn't have used his mason powers. I'm done dealing with the power role crap for now. | ||
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Vivax
22102 Posts
Most of town agreed with a prplhz lynch, if you killed Oats he would have probably flipped green/blue, you would have looked a lot worse and you would have had to kill prplhz anyway at some point, probably the next day. There would have been questions about why you didn't kill him day1 and would have been forced to bus him soon anyway, making you suspicious for the rest of the game. So you simply bussed him day 1 and took massive cred you were trying to use to lead town into an Oats mislynch this day. I don't see that prplhz lynch D1 as a towntell for you. It's simply the best scum play you could make in that situation. Everyone supporting you would have to take the same cred for prplhz's lynch anyway. If even Bugs read prplhz as scum, then... *cough*, nevermind. (sorry Bugs ) That bus got you a super powerful role and a lot of cred to get rid of an useless goon pawn who was behaving scummy from his very first post. | ||
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
Then I look and your vote is on Gonzaw... | ||
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