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Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 24 2013 19:25 GMT
#2241
On January 25 2013 04:19 Stutters695 wrote:
What lie? Maybe I'm not understanding, but isn't a jack mason return a valid result?

it is... he said it's a jack who used his mason powers. That's the whole reason why everyone was so confused because isntead of just telling us what he got as a result he kept on talking about what he "thought" he found...
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22414 Posts
January 24 2013 19:25 GMT
#2242
FT, how can you be so sure someone is mafia off so few posts?


@ stutters


Look at it this way: Oats, the probable town, immediately believed my claim cause of the timing.

Toad, FT and yamato attacked it like crazy. Austin went a little less hyped about it, but he joined in doing so.
Just saying, man, just saying...subjective you know.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 24 2013 19:26 GMT
#2243
On January 25 2013 04:22 FiveTouch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2013 04:16 DearestSnot wrote:
I've been "oddly silent" because I was asleep until like 3-4 hours ago, then went to class.

I don't find it that likely that debears is scum. Certainly possible but it doesn't really matter, given that if he is scum then he's pigeonholed by virtue of being a BG. There are better targets than him out there, notably Chezinu.


Perhaps I was wrong about Oats and took the wrong side in Oats/gonzaw, but I'm still convinced BKE is mafia.

yeah. And with gonzaw being red (assuming he will flip red) Chez really isn't the next target to go.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22414 Posts
January 24 2013 19:26 GMT
#2244
Saying FT attacked it like crazy isn't true though.

But he said he found it consistent with my filter and then asked why I checked gonzaw.

Which is a weird question to be fair.
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 24 2013 19:26 GMT
#2245
Also, Vivax is correct in a way - there is a lot of information to be mined, if gonzaw flips Jack + Mason.

This would mean that mafia valued gonzaw very highly, and planned for him to be around a while, giving him two roles. It would make sense that they built their plan of action around him. So going back to Day 1 will be quite interesting.
Artanis & marv
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
January 24 2013 19:31 GMT
#2246
Also my vote is on Gonzaw currently for obvious reasons. Forgot to mention that in the thread when I posted it due to being in between classes.

This spoilered part is about debears since I don't want to spam the thread with BG talk, but I still would like an answer to this.

+ Show Spoiler [Debears] +

Debears is looking more town to me but I still would like to hear why he waited to deliver such an underwhelming case on Oats and not delivering on djo.

On January 24 2013 10:55 debears wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2013 10:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also debears, this DOES NOT explain why your day 1 was the epitome of a lurker/newbie scum who doesnt want to post.


I explained this last game and earlier this game to djo. Unfortunately, you don't read

This quote too. You explained that you don't spam because these are big games, but you didn't explain at all why d1 you "contributed" a meta read that you never followed through with and not much else except policy talk. Why have you just been providing meta reads instead of like the cases you pushed in previous town games that were much more logical?
DearestSnot
Profile Joined January 2013
Germany200 Posts
January 24 2013 19:31 GMT
#2247
which is why Chezinu is very suspicious.

BKE is suspicious too, I agree, but I'm more confident in Chezinu being scum, particularly if Gonzaw is indeed scum as well (and it certainly looks that way).

Chezinu:

has yet to provide reads
very quickly on d1 threw dirt on me by saying I wasn't reading, when it wasn't really that clear if he actually put weight behind his rule, in order to lynch prplhz. I asked him and he said he would, but before that it was really unclear. What kind of mayoral candidate is unclear about who he'd try to lynch? (note this is really similar to what gonzaw did)
delurks when called out; both by you and me. Yet, he still has no reads! It's something like 36+ hours into day 2, there's no excuse for going that long without having any sort of scumreads. Note again, this is the same way with gonzaw.

BKE and annul still look bad for similar reasons, and it's more likely that annul is town now, but I think Chezinu is scum. I'm almost as sure of that as I am of anything else.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
January 24 2013 19:36 GMT
#2248
On January 25 2013 04:25 Vivax wrote:
FT, how can you be so sure someone is mafia off so few posts?


@ stutters


Look at it this way: Oats, the probable town, immediately believed my claim cause of the timing.

Toad, FT and yamato attacked it like crazy. Austin went a little less hyped about it, but he joined in doing so.
Just saying, man, just saying...subjective you know.


If you think that Toad, FT, Yamato, Asutin Gonzaw would be the scum team and would all attack your claim hardcore knowing you're right; you're insane. I could see a member, maybe two defending it but Toad does make sense with why he thought you were lying. I believe your claim since this would be a drastic scum play and based off of what I saw in YANMM that feels very unlikely, but I can understand the concern.
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
January 24 2013 19:37 GMT
#2249
On January 25 2013 04:31 Stutters695 wrote:
Also my vote is on Gonzaw currently for obvious reasons. Forgot to mention that in the thread when I posted it due to being in between classes.

This spoilered part is about debears since I don't want to spam the thread with BG talk, but I still would like an answer to this.

+ Show Spoiler [Debears] +

Debears is looking more town to me but I still would like to hear why he waited to deliver such an underwhelming case on Oats and not delivering on djo.

On January 24 2013 10:55 debears wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2013 10:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also debears, this DOES NOT explain why your day 1 was the epitome of a lurker/newbie scum who doesnt want to post.


I explained this last game and earlier this game to djo. Unfortunately, you don't read

This quote too. You explained that you don't spam because these are big games, but you didn't explain at all why d1 you "contributed" a meta read that you never followed through with and not much else except policy talk. Why have you just been providing meta reads instead of like the cases you pushed in previous town games that were much more logical?


Stutters, there really is no reason for me to answer this. I'm gonna die tonight. You need to look at people that will likely survive the night
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
January 24 2013 19:38 GMT
#2250
On January 25 2013 04:37 debears wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2013 04:31 Stutters695 wrote:
Also my vote is on Gonzaw currently for obvious reasons. Forgot to mention that in the thread when I posted it due to being in between classes.

This spoilered part is about debears since I don't want to spam the thread with BG talk, but I still would like an answer to this.

+ Show Spoiler [Debears] +

Debears is looking more town to me but I still would like to hear why he waited to deliver such an underwhelming case on Oats and not delivering on djo.

On January 24 2013 10:55 debears wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2013 10:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also debears, this DOES NOT explain why your day 1 was the epitome of a lurker/newbie scum who doesnt want to post.


I explained this last game and earlier this game to djo. Unfortunately, you don't read

This quote too. You explained that you don't spam because these are big games, but you didn't explain at all why d1 you "contributed" a meta read that you never followed through with and not much else except policy talk. Why have you just been providing meta reads instead of like the cases you pushed in previous town games that were much more logical?


Stutters, there really is no reason for me to answer this. I'm gonna die tonight. You need to look at people that will likely survive the night


Fair enough, if you live I expect an answer however.
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
January 24 2013 19:41 GMT
#2251
On January 25 2013 04:38 Stutters695 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2013 04:37 debears wrote:
On January 25 2013 04:31 Stutters695 wrote:
Also my vote is on Gonzaw currently for obvious reasons. Forgot to mention that in the thread when I posted it due to being in between classes.

This spoilered part is about debears since I don't want to spam the thread with BG talk, but I still would like an answer to this.

+ Show Spoiler [Debears] +

Debears is looking more town to me but I still would like to hear why he waited to deliver such an underwhelming case on Oats and not delivering on djo.

On January 24 2013 10:55 debears wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2013 10:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also debears, this DOES NOT explain why your day 1 was the epitome of a lurker/newbie scum who doesnt want to post.


I explained this last game and earlier this game to djo. Unfortunately, you don't read

This quote too. You explained that you don't spam because these are big games, but you didn't explain at all why d1 you "contributed" a meta read that you never followed through with and not much else except policy talk. Why have you just been providing meta reads instead of like the cases you pushed in previous town games that were much more logical?


Stutters, there really is no reason for me to answer this. I'm gonna die tonight. You need to look at people that will likely survive the night


Fair enough, if you live I expect an answer however.


Very well
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 24 2013 19:41 GMT
#2252
On January 25 2013 04:37 debears wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2013 04:31 Stutters695 wrote:
Also my vote is on Gonzaw currently for obvious reasons. Forgot to mention that in the thread when I posted it due to being in between classes.

This spoilered part is about debears since I don't want to spam the thread with BG talk, but I still would like an answer to this.

+ Show Spoiler [Debears] +

Debears is looking more town to me but I still would like to hear why he waited to deliver such an underwhelming case on Oats and not delivering on djo.

On January 24 2013 10:55 debears wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 24 2013 10:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
Also debears, this DOES NOT explain why your day 1 was the epitome of a lurker/newbie scum who doesnt want to post.


I explained this last game and earlier this game to djo. Unfortunately, you don't read

This quote too. You explained that you don't spam because these are big games, but you didn't explain at all why d1 you "contributed" a meta read that you never followed through with and not much else except policy talk. Why have you just been providing meta reads instead of like the cases you pushed in previous town games that were much more logical?


Stutters, there really is no reason for me to answer this. I'm gonna die tonight. You need to look at people that will likely survive the night

we have 2 claimed DTs, another claimed blue, a bodyguard and people like WBG who are most likely going to be shot by mafia for being good.
I would have agreed with you 4 hours ago but now.... I don't think mafia can shoot all of that at once.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 24 2013 19:56 GMT
#2253
If I claim something can I get NK'd?

I'm confident in an Annul lynch for tomorrow, regardless of Gonzaw's flip. Until the deadline, I will not be providing any association reads as he may yet flip town. Who the fuck knows.

The way Annul has played this game is highly suspect. He seems to want to create a thread atmosphere that is negative, and he has twice now come in at opportune times to egg on a player who was shitting up the thread with their play, first me and now Vivax. He may yet be town, but this sort of behavior is mafia motivated in nature. I don't like that his response to the threat of lynch was to scream at everyone and then go silent like a fucking child, but anti-town isn't necessarily mafia, so it's not solid proof.

One last thing:

Toad, what's your thoughts on how Bugs has played today?
Writer@WriterYamato
BroodKingEXE
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States829 Posts
January 24 2013 19:57 GMT
#2254
On January 24 2013 22:52 FiveTouch wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +


On January 24 2013 22:48 FiveTouch wrote:
To Vivax:

Show nested quote +
On January 24 2013 10:23 Vivax wrote:

Good joke, you brought yourself into that situation cause you don't even remember what you say yourself.
At least your read on gonzaw is good.

I'm asking questions no one else is. Go call that shitting up the thread when you read things grush, fuba, yamato etc. etc. etc. would probably have never written without my intervention.

I just don't have an estimation of BKE yet, but FT feels confident in him being scum without actually asking him a question, that should already ring a bell.

Enjoy FT posting "clean" reads he isn't checking with questions to his scumreads.Bah.


Firstly, I seem to recall you berating bugs with some awesome mafia-read you had in an obsQT. I presume from your attitude here that you believe this read to not be legitimate, as you weren't able to question the mafia?

Secondly:

Show nested quote +
On January 24 2013 05:33 FiveTouch wrote:
Stutters - I notice that you have either only defended yourself or commented on nothing relevant all game. We have no idea who you want to lynch. Given we're 4 game days in, why is this exactly?

Broodking - you are even lurkier than normal. Why are you not participating in town discussion in any way?


Show nested quote +
On January 24 2013 08:29 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Annul is obvscum, at the moment he isn't doing anything, but putting out weak scum reads and useless setup speculation. His posting style is that of a scum who knows he's in a bad spot. He says his D1 was non-existant, but I dont see a town directed change out of him.

##Vote: Annul


I did indeed ask him a question, and he never answered it. This proves that Broodking isn't reading the thread at all. He says this:

Show nested quote +
On January 24 2013 14:45 BroodKingEXE wrote:

Quite honestly I can understand why you think I am scum. The problem I am finding, in my readthrough of filters, I am feeling really disconnected with the thread, due to initial missing the onset of the game. If you have anything you want my opinion or read on you can ask me. I just aren't finding relevant topics for me to post on. Please ask away.


Which may excuse him (it doesn't) from his non-play on Day 1, but it doesn't excuse him missing a question I asked him only 3 hours prior to him posting.


By way of edit, I should add that Broodking's last post there was aimed at another player, he never answered me (although it looks like that was an answer to me)

The answer was more of a response to everybody. If you look at the majority of suspicion around me, it revolves around my inactivity. I merely chose the most recent post containing suspicion against me to respond to. I'm up for answering questions from you as well.
Playing Protoss = Opponent owned
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
January 24 2013 20:01 GMT
#2255
I agreed with a lot of what Bugs said and I apparently came to a lot of conclusions he came to as well. Read: us both saying we shouldn't lynch a bodyguard when we only have 6 or 7 peopel who aren't basicly confirmed townies while only 4 mafias are alive, which makes for a PRETTY decent chance to hit mafia either way.

There's about no way bugs is mafia. About as good looking as FT and myself imo.
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
BroodKingEXE
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States829 Posts
January 24 2013 20:07 GMT
#2256
On January 25 2013 01:31 Vivax wrote:
FT was totally disinterested in lynching gonzaw despite being shoveling shit at him so often.

The reason is simple: Oats, BKE, Chezinu are easier to lynch and most likely aren't on his team.

His last question he wants answered is pointless anyway, it doesn't change anything. I'll give that to you postgame.

Just do me a fucking favour and get rid of FT, that guy is dangerous like 1000 snakes for this town. Given his experience and skill as scum he probably has a powerful role too.

On January 25 2013 01:36 Vivax wrote:
Toad, I was testing reactions with my extended knowledge about gonzaws alignment, the serious trouble you have is only dealing with the way I play, not with what I did.

I don't give a fuck if you lynch me to confirm I'm DT. I wouldn't actually mind that cause then you can proceed to lynch the right ones and I'm out of this derp town.

Obviously I would prefer if you lynched FT, yamato, Toad and probably Mocsta/Toad > austin/Chez/Bke etc.

Gonzaw can stay where he is for now, he's not going anywhere, posting anything, probably tried to manipulate the mason circles and can be lynched later.

Now we need to lynch the dangerous guys, namely FT.

You are literally throwing scum teams out of your ass.
Playing Protoss = Opponent owned
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 24 2013 20:08 GMT
#2257
On January 25 2013 04:25 Vivax wrote:
FT, how can you be so sure someone is mafia off so few posts?


@ stutters


Look at it this way: Oats, the probable town, immediately believed my claim cause of the timing.

Toad, FT and yamato attacked it like crazy. Austin went a little less hyped about it, but he joined in doing so.
Just saying, man, just saying...subjective you know.


I lynched prplhz off very few posts as well, remember.

Vivax, riddle me this - I was pushing Oats and prplhz hard all through Day 1. Given gonzaw looks set to flip mafia, this obviously makes Oats look more likely town. Towards the end of Day 1 I had sandroba urging me to lynch Oatsmaster, and not prplhz. Yet I chose prplhz. Why?
Artanis & marv
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 24 2013 20:09 GMT
#2258
BKE it's best to just ignore what Vivax is saying, because despite the fact that he's obviously wrong and full of shit, he's still most likely town.
Writer@WriterYamato
DearestSnot
Profile Joined January 2013
Germany200 Posts
January 24 2013 20:13 GMT
#2259
On January 25 2013 05:08 FiveTouch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2013 04:25 Vivax wrote:
FT, how can you be so sure someone is mafia off so few posts?


@ stutters


Look at it this way: Oats, the probable town, immediately believed my claim cause of the timing.

Toad, FT and yamato attacked it like crazy. Austin went a little less hyped about it, but he joined in doing so.
Just saying, man, just saying...subjective you know.


I lynched prplhz off very few posts as well, remember.

Vivax, riddle me this - I was pushing Oats and prplhz hard all through Day 1. Given gonzaw looks set to flip mafia, this obviously makes Oats look more likely town. Towards the end of Day 1 I had sandroba urging me to lynch Oatsmaster, and not prplhz. Yet I chose prplhz. Why?


cause you like me more than sandro?

<3
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 24 2013 20:14 GMT
#2260
On January 25 2013 05:13 DearestSnot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2013 05:08 FiveTouch wrote:
On January 25 2013 04:25 Vivax wrote:
FT, how can you be so sure someone is mafia off so few posts?


@ stutters


Look at it this way: Oats, the probable town, immediately believed my claim cause of the timing.

Toad, FT and yamato attacked it like crazy. Austin went a little less hyped about it, but he joined in doing so.
Just saying, man, just saying...subjective you know.


I lynched prplhz off very few posts as well, remember.

Vivax, riddle me this - I was pushing Oats and prplhz hard all through Day 1. Given gonzaw looks set to flip mafia, this obviously makes Oats look more likely town. Towards the end of Day 1 I had sandroba urging me to lynch Oatsmaster, and not prplhz. Yet I chose prplhz. Why?


cause you like me more than sandro?

<3


This was indeed the answer I was looking for. Possibly. Not quite, but I'll roll with it.
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