Dessert Mini Mafia

On January 13 2013 07:42 jaybrundage wrote:
thrawn2112
Promethelax
Hopeless1der
grush57
Kushm4sta
slOosh
supersoft

Never you played with you peeps. Can anyone gimmie a quick run down of em. :o (troll, lurker, good town, bad town)

On January 13 2013 09:07 MrZentor wrote:
Super, Jay is town. -.-

On January 13 2013 09:07 MrZentor wrote:
Super, Jay is town. -.-

On January 13 2013 09:09 grush57 wrote:


How do you know he is town?

On January 13 2013 09:35 Ruuch wrote:


I've played some SC2 mafia but this is the first time I'm dabbling into forum mafia. Have to say though, I was positively taken aback by your civil welcome

On January 13 2013 09:46 jaybrundage wrote:

I don't know about you. But i don't mind having fun while killing de scum.

I just came off a town victory so im ready for this shit. Lets double it up.

I'm all for finding scum too. I heard about this from some vet. You RNG someone and propose a lynch on him and bam conversation. It's something different but i dont mind giving it a shot.

So How do you guys feel about a lynch on Sloosh.

On January 13 2013 09:51 Ruuch wrote:


I had Xatalos quickly brief me on the terms in question, so here goes:

1) In theory I think I like the concept but I haven't really formed an opinion on it yet as this is my first forum mafia game after all.
2) I suspect I will.
3) Muffins, everybody loves muffins :3

On January 13 2013 09:54 Ruuch wrote:


Indifferent, I guess, would be the best way to describe my feelings. I don't play this game to win, I play it to have fun

On January 13 2013 09:55 thrawn2112 wrote:
grush is scum imo

On January 13 2013 09:59 Ruuch wrote:


Indeed I am.

As for the current state of the thread... I can't really say. I suspect it will take a while before I can make accurate assumptions about other posters (which in all honesty, isn't something I'm very fond of doing in the first place).

On January 13 2013 10:18 Hopeless1der wrote:
Man, grush is looking useful dafuq is this? Also, still scum to me.

Jay explain the Random push please

On January 13 2013 10:29 MrZentor wrote:


I don't know; it looks as if you purposely took it out of context, just to make Jay look scummy. :/

In other news, I'm going to start putting

On January 13 2013 10:30 Hopeless1der wrote:

Telling you would be like locking the key inside the padlock. I find grush to be ungrushlike and I think its scummy. Kinda sucks that thrawn finds out issue with that, but I'll be putting an explanation together when I'm back at a computer. I could also be talking out of my ass because I snapped at something from memory, but again I'll explain at the latest in 14ish hours depending on how tired i am when i get home.

On January 13 2013 10:34 MrZentor wrote:
Is Grush this serious and scummy as town?

Also, I lol'd when he attempted to quote me.

On January 13 2013 10:35 thrawn2112 wrote:
NVM MY BAD

##unvote
##Vote: grush

On January 13 2013 10:29 grush57 wrote:


Okay, I am scum because I am useful, or I am scum because of meta. But the only time I was scum was when I lurked. ?
And Jay put in his post so we have something to talk about.

Hopeless is scum yo.

##Vote: Hopeless1der

On January 13 2013 14:46 Xatalos wrote:


Okay, bring it on. Unfortunately I'm going to sleep now (it's morning here already lol) so I'll take a look at it sometime later.

On January 13 2013 20:09 Promethelax wrote:
Lol at bugs, I'm scum because I was at work when the game started.

Is there some unspoken rule about us not asking grush to give us his town breadcrumb? Because that is all I want from him right now.

For those of you who haven't played with Kush assume he is similar to chezinu but without either the class or the ability to find scum. He is a troll who will troll all game long but it
Isn't too hard to get a read on. I would like to hear both Hapa and thrawn's opinions of Kush. They know how to read him, as do I.

Super, are you town?

Zentor, can I expect you to be useful This game or should I put you into the troll column?

Jay, what's your read of zentor?

Slopsh, opinions on anyone who doesn't have a million point scrabble name.

On January 16 2013 01:05 Lazermonkey wrote:
I'll be back in a couple of hours.

On January 16 2013 05:47 iamperfection wrote:
Sup have somewhat followed. game Be home in a few hours.

In the mean time you guys better explain why you guys were trying to kill obvious noob town

On January 16 2013 06:12 supersoft wrote:
yeah ruush was rather town and he's an aweful vig target now since it's not iamp and not ruush. good god, you guys...

On January 16 2013 06:41 MrZentor wrote:
He was a pretty terrible vigi target, imo.

Are you scum, Grush?

On January 18 2013 05:30 wherebugsgo wrote:


says the guy sheeping me right now

On January 18 2013 05:31 wherebugsgo wrote:
I am, but I pushed both wagons

Try reading the thread the next time your role PM is red

On January 18 2013 05:48 wherebugsgo wrote:


tell me, who was the person who started the slOosh wagon, which you are on right now?

Oh right, me.

On January 18 2013 09:33 jaybrundage wrote:

Thats nice. Now the townie thing to do is to put...whats the word. Oh yea your reasoning.

On January 19 2013 10:27 iamperfection wrote:
im pretty sure hapa isnt scum at this point. I thought there was a possibility of him being sk but with that eliminated i think it is likely that he is town.

## Vote hopeless


You can die hopeless you are making no sense because you are scum.

On January 20 2013 13:27 Hopeless1der wrote:

Hopeless flips town. Plan?
Hopeless flips scum. Plan?

On January 21 2013 06:57 Hapahauli wrote:
My vote's not moving from Hopeless.

Hopeless hasn't done anything over the last two days that has changed my mind. It seems as if some players were swayed by his Lazer "case," which is 90% the quotes of other players.

Players are acting as if scum are incapable of resisting lynches. They are not. If Hopeless was bombing good cases and making original analysis, I'd think twice about his lynch. This is not the case. He's invoking the name of dead townies to push Lazer, and that was ONLY after I called him out for pushing everyone but his top scumread.

On January 21 2013 13:27 iamperfection wrote:

So in light of hopeless flipping town you now think im town?

On January 22 2013 07:11 Xatalos wrote:
I have to go sleep now, so unfortunately I can't wait for the deadline. But here are my current reads anyway (although I think most likely WBG or MrZentor is NK'd tonight).

MrZentor is confirmed town, so there's no point to talk about him. I'm fairly certain that WBG is town as well. He's been the most influential and active poster ever since D2, yet he hasn't done anything alarming during this time, which feels like an almost impossible task for Mafia. He's also been constantly pushing town agenda by actively discussing, controlling the voting process and sharing reads. I haven't played with iamperfection before, but his play seems very similar to his earlier town play and he's been reasonably active, so I think he's town for now.

I had to do some re-evaluation after Hopeless flipped town, so I think scum could be among any of these following players, but some are more likely scum than others.

jaybrundage
I didn't like his D1 play at all, but he started to focus on scumhunting during N1 and D2. Then he almost completely stopped posting (apparently internet problems or something), although his rare posts were okayish. I think it's plausible for him to flip scum, but not likely enough to make him a decent lynch.

Lazermonkey
He's been a top suspect for most of the game, but I just couldn't see Kush behaving the way he did as scum. There aren't many choices left anymore, though, so by process of elimination (and lack of anything to really make me think of Lazermonkey as town) Lazermonkey has an okayish chance of flipping scum.

Hapahauli
If we look at just this one game, Hapahauli has played decently: pushed his scumreads, analyzed, posted a fairly good amount of content. But something is wrong. He has posted less and less frequently since the beginning (it's characteristic of scum to degrade in activity over time), led two mislynches (despite being a really good player) and used unusually bad logic (despite him usually having constantly sound logic):



None of these things were present when I played with town Hapa before! There's always the chance that he's just really having a bad game, but with all these combined, it feels like too much of a coincidence. A decent lynch IMO.

grush57
He actually has 5 pages of filter but (almost) nothing valuable in all those posts. Mostly it's just fluff, vague remarks and other unhelpful small talk. He also flip-flops on his reads constantly and almost never gives reasoning for his reads and/or for the changes in them. This is a good example:



He is confident in Hopeless flipping scum (apparently?). But then:



Jumping off the wagon for some reason (Hopeless' recent surge of activity?) when a good opportunity presents itself. No real reasoning for this HUGE change from clear scum -> don't lynch! Of course he can look better after Hopeless flips town, right?

- - -

Then we have to also consider grush's recent push for Hapa. I think it's weird for him to do that if they're both scum (not impossible but somewhat unlikely), so more likely one of them is scum and one is town. Hapa hasn't played up to his meta, but he has still played much better than pretty much anyone else, so I'd say grush is the safer lynch right now. And *safe* is the keyword at LYLO... There are no second chances anymore.

On January 22 2013 09:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
Lazer is not reading, from what I've seen Hapa is either having a bad game or is scum, and grush is almost certainly scum.

Let's kill grush today.

we have:

myself
iamp
Xata
Jay
Hapa
Lazer
grush

In rough order of towniness, though I honestly have no idea where to put Hapa. He didn't come back with reads despite promising to do so and that degrades him considerably.

##vote grush57

On January 22 2013 11:05 wherebugsgo wrote:


that's pretty ironic, coming from you.

On January 22 2013 11:07 jaybrundage wrote:

So Grush you see a WBG Hapa scum team whats your third? Whats your thoughts on lazer?

On January 22 2013 11:27 iamperfection wrote:

the doors

On January 22 2013 11:32 jaybrundage wrote:

Is it getting 420 up in here or is it just me?

On January 23 2013 06:21 Lazermonkey wrote:
I'm going to bed early today : /. Gotta go up early.

Will be posting more tomorrow.

On January 23 2013 08:51 wherebugsgo wrote:
It makes perfect sense for scum to try to lynch me on the basis that "I should have been shot" at this point.

Anyone who has read the game can tell you that I am one of the few players interested in actually killing scum. I already killed one.

On January 23 2013 09:46 wherebugsgo wrote:
grush is too bad to have a case. He doesn't have one other than "derp wbg is still alive" which is fucking retarded.

On January 24 2013 05:33 wherebugsgo wrote:


soooo if you are town what interest do you have in lynching me before lazer?

You just basically said lazer is 100% scum, but that you'd rather lynch between us over him. If you were actually town and actually believed I was scum with Lazer then you'd know that lynching between me and you is 50/50, whereas lynching Lazer is 100%.

Nice scumclaim.

On January 24 2013 05:33 wherebugsgo wrote:


soooo if you are town what interest do you have in lynching me before lazer?

You just basically said lazer is 100% scum, but that you'd rather lynch between us over him. If you were actually town and actually believed I was scum with Lazer then you'd know that lynching between me and you is 50/50, whereas lynching Lazer is 100%.

Nice scumclaim.

On January 24 2013 05:49 wherebugsgo wrote:
so you're saying you know who scum will shoot, too?

LOL

On January 15 2013 05:37 wherebugsgo wrote:
yo hapa, can you give me a list of past games of yours I can read?

Also I just noticed you went to school in MI :p cool, I'm a MI native haha.

On January 15 2013 06:25 wherebugsgo wrote:


wtf? How is Lazer a counterwagon to Prom when the votes on Lazer CAME FIRST?

Jesus, this is why I call all of you people stupid all the time.

On January 15 2013 08:38 wherebugsgo wrote:
Why does prom not care about getting lynched?

This whole thing bothers me

On January 15 2013 11:19 wherebugsgo wrote:
anyway on a serious note:

the two who escaped lynch yesterday through that prom debacle were Lazer and Xatalos. I am more suspicious of Xatalos, considering that he wasn't around as much during lynch time. He just kinda slinked away, while Lazer at the very least was around and doing stuff. His only contributions really were asking slOosh why his opinion changed on him-very self-centric.

Hapa, thrawn, and slOosh I basically have auto-town reads on. I hope they don't turn into the sciberbias of this game. (I had an auto-town read on Prom too)

Xatalos (1): jaybrundage
Promethelax (7): slOosh, thrawn2112, grush57, MrZentor, Xatalos, Ruuch, Supersoft
Lazermonkey (1): Promethelax
Ruuch (4): Lazermonkey, wherebugsgo, Hapahauli, Hopeless1der

The bolded votes are shady. Ruuch avoided a modkill/replacement by voting right before the deadline. I think that's too close to consider that coincidence. We will have to kill him at some point and there's almost no way scum will shoot him, ever. I suppose we can push him off till later, but I know the game will come down to it at some point.

Jay, don't waste your vote tomorrow if you are town. If I die tonight and jay gets away without contributing much, please someone tunnel the fuck out of him.

Secondly, the late votes on Prom: Ruuch's is the worst. Xatalos's is also pretty bad, considering that I never actually felt that he cared about the lynch. His argument was that he preferred Prom over Lazer. Whatever. Zentor and Grush are basically either trolls or scum, and grush's contributions this game err on the side of scum for me.

In addition to all of these players we have Hopeless, who seems to be feigning reasonability to live. He doesn't seem to be very interested in finding scum, either.

So, we have at least 4-5 players who I would confidently label "antitown" and not all of them can be scum. Wonderful.

On January 15 2013 08:58 wherebugsgo wrote:
If that were anyone else I would call that a scumclaim.

So, let's treat him like anyone else LOL

##unvote
##vote Ruuch

On January 24 2013 05:49 wherebugsgo wrote:
so you're saying you know who scum will shoot, too?

LOL

On January 13 2013 16:03 wherebugsgo wrote:
super, agree/disagree:

three of four

Hopeless
Xatalos
Zentor
Promethelax

On January 17 2013 04:18 wherebugsgo wrote:
alright.

I'm feeling lazy so let's just kill Hopeless. I don't think anything is going to happen in the near future to make either read stronger and so it's just best to consolidate our votes rather than continue to inflate the thread with further pointless back-and-forths.

##unvote
##vote Hopeless1der

On January 18 2013 05:25 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'm inclined to believe LM on his read of Hopeless because I do actually remember him saying that Hopeless played like this last game.

I do also recall that Hopeless played somewhat similarly to this in another game as well, but I'm not quite sure what to think of it, given that I think he was playing like that because of lack of time. He seemed to not be willing to comment on much and he wasn't around at all, but he was town.

LM what do you think of Xatalos attacking me?

On January 18 2013 09:09 wherebugsgo wrote:
you're being lynched cause you're scum.

Deal with it.

I may decide to lynch Mr. Lazerscum instead, but who knows, there's probably about 24 hours before I get shot in the face anyway.

On January 21 2013 13:18 wherebugsgo wrote:
it's been a long time since scum have shot me as town.

I'm not going to get shot tonight either since Zentor is confirmed town.

On January 21 2013 05:56 wherebugsgo wrote:
This is actually kind of confusing. If I'm wrong about some of my town reads, it makes Lazer the better lynch by far. Everyone has called both players scum but no one is really willing to defend either of them. On meta they both look bad. They're both easily lynched, though Hopeless seems to be resisting the lynch far more.

Lol there's pros and cons to lynching them both.

Convince me to vote. Most swaying arguments for either side will get my vote. I'll be around till deadline.

On January 21 2013 06:52 wherebugsgo wrote:
Ok, shit reads = scum.

##vote Hopeless1der

On January 24 2013 05:56 wherebugsgo wrote:
there's a big difference if, for example, jay dies over iamp. that would be really fucking strange.

also, no matter what you say, you cannot call me scum for simply being alive, that's ignoring literally everything else I've done this game. You're not this dumb as town. Quite frankly, I would be so incredibly mad if you flipped town this game that I'd probably quit for a while. I'm not even kidding, because if you are town your play will literally be the worst I have ever seen on this forum.

As town, you have no interest in considering other possibilities? I don't find that likely. You have simply suddenly jumped to the conclusion that I am scum, you've basically ignored all other possibilities, and you certainly don't seem to have been interested in actually figuring out the game. If you are town that is quite honestly pathetic. If you are town why wouldn't you have asked yourself if Xata or jay could be scum?

Lastly, and this is the important part: if you are town, and you really thought it would come down to me and you, you'd support lynching lazer first. That gives town MUCH more time to discuss and actually deliberate. Those who want to end the game as quickly as possible before town can think about it are scum. Scum don't want to drag the game out, it's too painful and hard. You're under scrutiny for much longer. I'd much rather take you to 2v1 and then argue it out, and I can guarantee you that you will lose. Not willing to do that? Too lazy? You're not town.

On January 24 2013 06:46 wherebugsgo wrote:
says I contradicted myself, didn't show any contradictions. He says because I said I might be shot and then because I said I don't get shot that's a contradiction. The fuck?

My posts with Hapa: I call him stupid because I had a town read on him at the time!

My posts asking super about reads, I was wrong. Wrong = scum? Since when?

Also, grush says I wanted an easy mislynch on Ruuch. If I was looking for an easy mislynch then why wouldn't i have simply voted Prom?

He also misrepresents my opinion about Prom in that post. I said I had a bad feeling about Prom when he didn't defend himself because I had a townread on Prom. When a townread disappears. you doubt that townread. grush says I didn't defend him and that's scummy. The fuck? I stated that because Prom's disappearance made me doubt my townread on him. Nothing weird there, it's just grush grasping at straws.

On January 24 2013 07:03 wherebugsgo wrote:


no, this is me calling your shitty bluff.

You're not going to read jay and you certainly didn't read shit from my filter, you just copy + pasted it and summarized it in the shittiest manner possible.

On January 24 2013 07:08 wherebugsgo wrote:
like seriously, you know how demoralizing it is to have to deal with players like you every fucking single game?

Sometimes you're more of an asset to mafia as town than as mafia! Seriously, what the fuck?!

I don't understand what the motivation is behind playing the way you do. You sign up for multiple games and afk through them all, forcing townies to question whether or not you're scum or town lurking it away. It's not fun to have to deal with players like you, it makes the game almost impossible to win.

On January 24 2013 07:25 wherebugsgo wrote:
sorry, I'm going to try to cool off a little bit.

grush if you're town, it's not personal, I just really despise having to read players who do not post and do not do anything for the majority of the game.

lylo situations are always frustrating because I feel like it's always a crapshoot between lots of players who simply have not put in very much effort into the game. If scum have put in effort (like Hapa) over the townies, then how are you to tell the difference between a lurking scum and a townie? Its one of the hardest things to do in mafia, and to be asked to do that multiple times is just mentally exhausting.

On January 24 2013 08:01 jaybrundage wrote:

Can you give me your reasoning for wanting to put the lynch between you and WBG. Instead of just straight up lynching lazer who you believe is scum?

On January 24 2013 08:14 jaybrundage wrote:

Yea doesnt make much sense I mean assuming WBG and Lazermonkey are scum you might save some time. But neither of those things are guaranteed. Granted looking at what we got I think that lynching Lazer tmw would be the best idea.

On January 24 2013 09:21 iamperfection wrote:
hrmmmmmmm

pondering the possibilities.

Mr lazer any updated thoughts because i have some thoughts on you now.
But would like to hear what you think of the remaining players.

On January 24 2013 09:35 grush57 wrote:

lazer thoughts on the wbg case

On January 25 2013 08:50 wherebugsgo wrote:
I don't see how xata can be scum, grush is just flailing at this point

On January 25 2013 17:48 wherebugsgo wrote:
also grush called hapa scum BEFORE HOPELESS DIED.

He was so sure Hapa was scum well before Hopeless even fucking flipped.

I don't understand how as town in your situation you can even consider anyone other than grush the best lynch today.

On January 26 2013 04:35 wherebugsgo wrote:
lazer, let's lynch grush today though.

I'm simply more confident that grush is scum. If grush + jay is the team then it truly doesn't matter who we try to lynch first, but I'd rather play safer.

On January 26 2013 06:18 wherebugsgo wrote:
so if I was scum with Hapa why the fuck would I let him kill himself?

I'm not that bad of a scum player that I would encourage my own teammate to suicide.

On January 26 2013 06:44 wherebugsgo wrote:
lololol this is comical

On January 27 2013 04:52 jaybrundage wrote:

Ya Should of bussed grush faster

On January 27 2013 11:57 Dandel Ion wrote:
btw, I lol'd IRL when Xata tried to justify his meta read with kush's witchcraft filter, but quoted posts that were not from witchcraft, but from the chinese grammar micro mafia.

And nobody checked.