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We are halfway through D1, righty? When is deadline exactly? | ||
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On January 13 2013 09:15 supersoft wrote: I don't know that. But I am trying to figure it out. If you're town, you should help me with that. Your job as a tonwie is: 1. establish that you're town 2. find scum If I am scum, it doesn't matter if you explain me the smilie because i already know what you are. If I am town, it may help me to figure your alignment out. If you're town, you - as stated above - want me to know your alignment If you're scum, you don't thus you dodge my attempts to figure you out. Right now you're dodging. On January 13 2013 12:00 supersoft wrote: Also, his vote on sloosh is screaming OMGUS out loud.i don't buy it. You're scum. worst read ever. I'll vote Zentor though. slOosh I don't see any of these reasons to be scum tells at all. calls my stuff BS, hides behind common opinions -- bad case on easy xatalos - really bad reasoning accusing me --- Other than that, his filter is filled with jokes and ALOT of non commital posts where he is basically saying,'' ow, this play is so strange and anti-town, and it may or may not mean that you are scum'' ##Vote: supersoft | ||
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On January 14 2013 07:33 MrZentor wrote: Why? Looking through your filter I see that you are calling out SS for alot of stuff that is strange(though, you don't call him scum). But why do you think he is TOWN and not null?But I think SS is town.  | ||
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Kushm4sta now Lazermonkey Lol. So much OMGUS in this game. Can people actually try to hunt scum and NOT retards?pissed because the host said he'd modkill him if he goes retard. ++ buddys me - funny guy though + ___________________________ after the replacement absolutely ridiculous case against me ------------ probably stupid, since he was already really stupid in kurumis game. He was also wrong about me there. | ||
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So, you write like 7 minuses on me, and yet I am probebly not scum? How is this list even relevant at all in that case? | ||
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I'm less inclined to vote supersoft. I really think his response, despite being quite dicky, has been a good display of a townie mindset. He realizes that he is long away from getting lynched and proceeds to call everyone who votes him or have him under suspicion retards. This is not something a scum is very willing to do. ##Unvote Prom's case on me is just bad. Like really bad. I didn't even lie Lol. I said that I would look through the thread and then in an HONEST way said that I hadn't done that very much. How does that make any sense from scum? | ||
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filter On January 13 2013 10:01 Hapahauli wrote: @ Jay Please answer my question. Why are you pushing Kush out of one side of your mouth, then proposing a Sloosh RNG lynch out of the other? It reads a lot like you don't give a shit about who dies. Well I just didnt like Kushs post it rubbed me the wrong way way play detrimental on purpose. Does it make him scum? No. On January 13 2013 11:08 jaybrundage wrote: He is doing this all the time and its a great way to appear contributing when you are in fact not.@Xalalos Well Zentor is already defending me lol. I can see him being townie again. Althought i never seen a scummy Zentor. But as it is so far im leaning town. But regardless i rather not talk about town reads. Anything you think is scummmy as of yet? Look at his filter from Hero MM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=384953&user=56992¤tpage=All He seems way more active and dishes out alot of scum reads during the strat of D1. He doesn't this game. Also, his vote on Xata is pure OMGUS ##Vote: jaybrundage | ||
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Well I just didnt like Kushs post it rubbed me the wrong way way play detrimental on purpose. Does it make him scum? No. | ||
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The fact that SS is sheeping it is blowing my mind in pieces. | ||
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The fact that he gives minuses to every player who starts to doubt him being town does not showcase a town mindset. Other ridiculous stuff in it includes thrawn archiving a minus for refusing to say that he is town. Also, SS is being super non-commital. He agrees with hopeless case(hopeless wants to get me lynched, remember?) but also says that he isn't sure of who to vote. wuuut. | ||
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On January 15 2013 02:30 supersoft wrote: And you call me a retard...in before anyone says something against lynching for intel: I am willing to sacrifice a pawn d1 and I have absolutely no mercy if i feel it's rewarding. sucks to be prom or lazer :-/ | ||
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On January 15 2013 02:14 Hopeless1der wrote: Wait, wait, wait... Hold on for a second...You are scum for making a shitty case and throwing your vote on an outlier. Even now, you are not supporting your scum read, you are attacking the case against you. Again, this is scummy behavior. 1. How is my case shitty? 2. So, how is my throwing a vote on someone that isn't the main lynch target scummy? 3. How is me attacking a horrible case against me scummy? | ||
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On January 15 2013 02:55 Hopeless1der wrote: You don't think that being non-commital, not giving out a single scum read with the exacption of an OMGUS case is alignment indiactive? He is wish-washy with his comments about several players and avoids to take a clear stance. And what about my two other points Hopeless, you dodged them...Thrawn, that is very demotivating. You're hurting my feelings. The last time that type of post happened, grush shot me in the back. Please stahp. @Lazer, I don't think your case on jay shows how what he's done is scummy. Show me. | ||
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On January 15 2013 02:56 jaybrundage wrote: Then by all means, post everything about everything. You will probebly not get lynched today anyway. Just so yall know i will be leaving in 2 hours for work so I wont be here for the deadline. | ||
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On January 15 2013 03:16 Hopeless1der wrote: Do you not agree with the reasons I gave for him to be scummy or do you not agree with given reasons to be scum indicative?Okay, then go figure out how to convince me jay is scum, because at the moment, I am not convinced. | ||
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On January 15 2013 01:41 Lazermonkey wrote: Reposting...Xatalos, please look at the case on me and tell me what you think. Also, look up SS and hopeless. | ||
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On January 15 2013 03:24 supersoft wrote: How is what I say false in any way? You mention my play and say what you say is false. If you read me again you can see that i already - before hopeless even mentioned you once - compared your playstyle this game, to your playstyle in kurumis game. + I already downgraded you a whole lot after your first thread appearance. btw. you are calling me a retard? I just finished my LLM among the top 10>X% of all lawyers in Germany. I guess i am not completely retarded, since people are willing to pay a lot of money for the shit i am talking about. stuff like.Kushm4sta now Lazermonkey pissed because the host said he'd modkill him if he goes retard. ++ buddys me - funny guy though + ___________________________ after the replacement absolutely ridiculous case against me ------------ probably stupid, since he was already really stupid in kurumis game. He was also wrong about me there. On January 14 2013 08:10 supersoft wrote: First off, you never mention anything about my play being diferent in this game so your argument is quite flawed. You NEVER say anything about me being scum back then. When you later call me scum, the only thing that changed is what hopeless said, thus you are sheeping hopeless...*you're ranked pretty high. I actually think you're a retard and not scum :-) Also, the size of your e-penis is not relevant here, | ||
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On January 15 2013 03:37 wherebugsgo wrote: I just finished reading. Add LM to my list, I guess. I still think Xatalos needs to die, and Zentor is still missing. when you have as much confidence in the forum as I do right now, you probably wouldn't give a shit either. On January 15 2013 03:38 wherebugsgo wrote: Do explain, you haven't even mentioned me prior to this...##unvote ##vote LazerMonkey | ||
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On January 15 2013 03:24 Hopeless1der wrote: Do you mean this as in ''non-commital play isn't alignment indicative'' or non-commital play isn't alignment indicative for Jay?I don't think your non-committal reasons are scum indicative of jay. If you can demonstrate otherwise, I'd love to see it. His filter being different than hero mini only means that his filter is different, not that it is scummy. OMGUS is not a scumtell to me. btw I never said OMGUS was a scum tell but the only time where he was in fact scum hunting was when he OMGUS-voted Xatalos for a case on him. What is your opinion about this, i.e. that he basically has not been scum hunting? | ||
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On January 15 2013 04:17 Promethelax wrote: WTF I haven't just called the cases against me bad. Please say one thing that you have against me and I'll try to answer it. Also, how the fuck am I not contributing something new? Can you please back this shit up with evidence instead of just saying it.Seriously, when did I become sheepable? Although Lazer is the best lynch candidate today, look at his defense, he simply calls the cases against himself baaad (like a sheep) and doesn't contribute anything new. The fact that his 'case' is on jay isn't helping either. Lazer, who do you feel is scum with Jay? Give us a full read dump, we're going to lynch you and you have to at least pretend you are town. Give us what you got. Bugs, I know you are in a pissy mood about towns on tl but do you really want to be part of the problem? SS, maybe I don't understand your lists but why do I stay in the same place while gaining two pluses? Are pluses and minuses simply things you like about other players or are they actually town and scum points? SS, Jay = scum Hopeless= retard Thrawn = town Everything else is null. | ||
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On January 15 2013 04:29 Promethelax wrote: My reads being terrible in your eyes aren't exactly alignment indicative, right?wow, seriously, those are your reads? Terrible. You said that you had not read the thread while simultaneously building a case on someone who had just been cased and calling him the scummiest person in the thread. That is deeply troubling and very scummy. There is nothing you have done in this game that makes you feel like a townie. This is a big problem for me since in LVIII I had had you down as quite green thank you so very much. Your case on jay is weak and in many ways I feel the Chezinu rule applies to him. He is such a weak player that someone making him their main target (if he is town) is very likely to be scum. I may have rephrased myself bad. I did read the thread but I did play a game of HoN in the mean time. That is why the post that isn't actually very long + the fact that the thread was like 20 pages yesterday took me almost 2 hours. Once again you do this, you say my case is bad, yet you don't even mention ONE thing in it that is bad as well as not explaining what part of my play that haven't been similar to LVIII. That, my friend, is bad. | ||
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On January 15 2013 04:12 wherebugsgo wrote: But how am I scum...after replacing kush you haven't really done anything to convince me you are town. | ||
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On January 15 2013 04:12 wherebugsgo wrote: How am I scum then? Or are you fine lynching me just because I haven't convinced you that I am town?after replacing kush you haven't really done anything to convince me you are town. | ||
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On January 15 2013 04:39 Promethelax wrote: With that logic, scum jay would win every game because noone would ever lynch him. I didn't call your case bad, I said I thought any case on jay was bad because he is best mislynch NA. Your reads being terrible is very alignment indicative, you are up for lynch and you have three reads and calling one dude names. You aren't trying to help town, none of those are new reads and none of them are explained there. the difference in your play is that in LVIII you felt like a townie trying to work out what was going on and here you feel like a scummer trying to find someone to vote. You are looking for excuses and not reasons. If you took the 2 minutes to actually look at my filter you would find explanations for my scum reads. The last part comes down to WIFOM unless you actually show some decent proof for it. | ||
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On January 15 2013 04:47 wherebugsgo wrote: SS in both cases probebly.scum jay does get lynched less than town jay. But, jay rolls scum less often than town, just like any other player. He's been actively trying to make reads, and I think that puts him in the town column for now, regardless of how tentative or shaky that read may be, he's not a good lynch for today. Suppose we lynch him, he flips town. Who would you kill then? Suppose we lynch him and he flips scum. Same question. Also, Jay has not activly been giving out reads, unless you count all the null tells + all the times he said ''Oh, this guy is scummy, tho he could be town''. | ||
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Also, WBG: Can you explain in your own words why I am scum? | ||
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On January 15 2013 04:58 wherebugsgo wrote: Wait, who are you talking to? me?do you think as scum he would be so insistent on answering a question he posed to me? Why would he care so much about my opinion, to continue asking me for over 3 hours, as scum? Do you really think he would put forth that kind of effort to blend in as scum? | ||
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I also think the way he posted right before he left seemed townie. He was very open with his reads in case he would die, which is a town trait in my book at least. Jay isn't happening obviously and SS also seems like a long way to go... I'll go and read some filters... ##Unvote | ||
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Anyone down to kill Jay? | ||
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On January 15 2013 08:23 thrawn2112 wrote: What to do you mean?please specify all parties involved when making posts like this | ||
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On January 15 2013 08:32 thrawn2112 wrote: Ahh, I see. Well, sloosh seemed to think that Prom is scum in this post because Prom went from saying that Xata was an easy lynch bait to saying that he found Xata scummy.: + Show Spoiler +it's not always apparent what you're talking about when you only refer to people as 'he' and 'him.' the rest of us would like to be able to easily follow along without having to go check through like 2/3 people's filters to find out what you're talking about On January 14 2013 13:40 slOosh wrote: You might be talking about Prom, and if not whatever because I want to start talking about him. I don't like how his stance changes regards to Xatalos. The first post comes before Xatalos' defense of my case. He says my case is weak, which means his objective read on Xatalos at that point is null / town. The 2nd post reinforces this as he calls Xatalos weak lynch bait, i.e. a scummy looking townie that is easy for scum to push. The third post positions itself for a defense of Xatalos. You don't support a lynch by presenting supporting evidence to the primary pushers like that. Final post he decides to find Xatalos scummy. On meta basis alone, even though the read on this game was town? Nothing indicates that he has a super strong town read on Hapa and highly values Hapa's meta read over his own read. But he somehow ends on the Xatalos is scummy side of the wagon. It seems incredibly opportunistic. Call slOosh's case weak when everyone else does, call Xatalos scum when everyone else does. What do you guys think? | ||
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On January 15 2013 08:33 slOosh wrote: Then it all comes down to meta, no?Votes don't necessarily reflect the opinions of people, especially early day 1. My point with that post is that there is no actual basis for his back and forth switching. Even "lower level" town players all have some basis for switching reads (regardless of if they are valid or not). His basis is meta and I call bs on that. | ||
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On January 15 2013 08:37 Hapahauli wrote: I disagree with him looking scummy as shit but okay, did you read my reasons for thinking Prom is town?@ Lazer I'm not going to switch from a player who looks scummy as shit (Prome) for lack of resistance. When a player is really scummy, do you really think there would be resistance regardless of his alignment? @ Supersoft Your obviously right in the second part. | ||
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It's never too late... | ||
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On January 15 2013 08:44 supersoft wrote: No, you silly person...from your perspective that's a reasonable vote. But you're scum :-( | ||
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On January 15 2013 08:47 Hapahauli wrote: Do you think my vote is serious? Oh hell. You're not pushing SS and Jay (your top two scumreads) because they're not realistic lynch chances. And you think WBG is a realistic lynch chance? | ||
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##Vote: Ruuch I didn't even read his post at first, Lol. What is this madness? | ||
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On January 15 2013 08:59 supersoft wrote: LOL##Unvote: Lazermonkey ##Vote Promethelax NO! this is madness | ||
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On January 15 2013 09:07 supersoft wrote: The question is if scum knew this. Probebly but not certain.i wrote cheesecake about half an hour ago and asked if ruuch gets replaced. He replied if ruuch doesnt show up till deadline, he gets replaced. | ||
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On January 15 2013 09:08 supersoft wrote: I agree, explaining scum reads are sooo 2012.WOAAAAAARRRRRRRRR I AM SO MAD, WHY DOESNT ANYONE HEAR ME??? Lazer, Sloosh, Zentor | ||
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On January 15 2013 23:28 supersoft wrote: If Hapa is the serial killer, wouldn't it be quite bad to shoot him tonight....? For several reasons.hey scumteam, hapahauli is the serial killer! better shoot him tonight. :-) | ||
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On January 15 2013 23:37 supersoft wrote: Oh, nvm. Didn't see you wrote scum team, thought you meant Vigi. Well, I'm cool with that then : ).what's your motivation behind this post? | ||
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Hapa, thrawn, and slOosh I basically have auto-town reads on. I hope they don't turn into the sciberbias of this game. (I had an auto-town read on Prom too) | ||
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On January 16 2013 00:00 supersoft wrote: yeah no you're straight up lying to me: You didn't think that i am talking to vigs. Since shooting the serialkiller would be a perfect Vigshot. Now i am wondering why you're lying to me... Fat Bastard (Serial Killer) You just want to eat all of the desserts in the refrigerator. You win when all of the desserts have been eaten. You can choose to appear innocent to all checks or have the ability to survive one KP once. You can eat one person every night, but you don't have to (although you probably will).No, vigi shooting a serial killer would not be optimal in any way. First I thought you were stupid/joking to begin with because there really is no evidence that Hapa would be the SK what so ever and thus Vigi shooting him would be quite bad. To be frank, I think there is a decent chance he will even be healed/jailed tonight as most people got him down as town + he is good as town. Which may cause us to end up in a silly position where town protects him even tho he is SK. Also, given the fact that town is in a slight disadvantage because of D1 misslynch, the serial killer will not necesarily act anti town but may in fact try to hunt scum. Shooting Jay, maybe even Ruush, is a better Vigi shoot than on Hapa as the SK. Then I realized that you actually wrote scum team which is all diferent. But none the less, the fact that you say I'm straight up lying even though that is utter and total WIFOM from your side is just bad. | ||
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On January 16 2013 00:25 supersoft wrote: Do you think I would be more inclined to lie about something like this as scum then as town? If yes, please explain. Your reasons for calling me scum are, in fact, not reasons to call me scum, which to me is alarminglol youre scum. youre lying to me so hard right now. :D | ||
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On January 16 2013 00:31 supersoft wrote: HAY EVERYBODY, LET'S TRAVEL TO WIFOM-LAND!oh you're alarmed? what does that mean? It means you know i am town and therefor you're only acting alarmed because there has to be some reaction. | ||
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On January 16 2013 00:33 supersoft wrote: Dis guy. Him be retard!the question is why not? | ||
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On January 16 2013 00:38 supersoft wrote: If I would be scum I would never shoot you, you are exactly the type of townie who does NOT convince town who is scum.haha lazer you know i got you :D it's actually pretty funny... now you guys have to think really hard... do you shoot me tonight and risk that youre getting lynched because i flip green? or do you risk keeping me alive with the chance, that i convince enough people? | ||
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If Hapa is indeed the SK there is a high chance that he got bulletproof, right? Now, if Vigilante shoots him and pierce through his bulletproof defence, there is NO proof that the vigilante actually did shoot Hapa. A player claiming to be Vigilante shooting Hapa can then be either Vigilante, scum or even SK himself holding his shoot. While getting rid of Hapa's bulletproof doesn't actually hurt town, it does not help us that much either. You say that Vigilante's are likely to shoot townie and that is probebly correct. But that is irrelevant. Lurky/bad players who are hard to read because they play anti town no matter what alignment they've got and/or players that are likely to get lynched are where we want to place our Vigi shoots. People all the time say that Jay looks scummy but noone wants to lynch him because ''he played like this last game as town''. But what if he rolled scum this game? Are we seriously going to let a player live forever just because he played bad as town? I say Jay is far superior Vigi shoot tonight than Hapa even IF he would be the SK. | ||
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On January 16 2013 05:09 thrawn2112 wrote: Btw thrawn, I actually read stuff quite fast the first time I look through the thread. Look up my filter from last game, LVIII for those who wasn't in it. I do missinterpret/missread stuff all the time and I was town. It really isn't alignment indicative at all.that is true. but i'm still having a hard time not seeing it as a lie. lazer said "Didn't see you wrote scum team, thought you meant Vigi." Super's entire post was meant to be directed at the scumteam. It even starts with "hey scumteam." | ||
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On January 16 2013 07:02 thrawn2112 wrote: ...why did you suddenly switch from tunneling super to being friendly as soon as he caught you? SS said that in an obviously joking fashion so why wouldn't I? It's not that I have to call everyone I think is scum bad names 100% of the time. And I am cool with scum shooting the SK : D. | ||
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On January 16 2013 07:13 thrawn2112 wrote: Well, since I think that Vigi shooting Hapa SK is bad I didn't understand at all why he was pushing me for it.and what is this? why would scum super or town super be joking about this accusation? | ||
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On January 16 2013 07:27 thrawn2112 wrote: Lol, how does me not thinking you are willing to lynch me make scum? You are so blinded that you don't realize the amount of WIFOM you are using. Open your eyes and start rereading everything I said and try to imagine me being town. If you cannot see a town motivation for what I am doing, then by all means push me. But right now you are just using everything I am saying against me even though it isn't even alignment indicative. yes your answer matters, because i'm having a hard time believing you think i might not want to lynch you But yes, I think you have a scum read on me but I am not sure if I am your highest scum read. | ||
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On January 16 2013 07:33 thrawn2112 wrote: How would me being scum making it less obvious? You see even here you are WIFOMing. I think if you were town, it should be obvious | ||
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On January 16 2013 07:39 supersoft wrote: I disagree.lol lazer, your problem is, you have no explanation for anything you do, your only defense is, that you call our stuff omgus and wifom :-P | ||
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On January 17 2013 01:42 wherebugsgo wrote: toalright, let's go for it. I actually like Hopeless's thoughts in his last post and Lazer looks much better because he pointed out something that I noticed too; in Hopeless's last game he played somewhat similar to this. slOosh, on the other hand, is still scum. ##unvote ##vote slOosh On January 17 2013 04:18 wherebugsgo wrote: In just a couple of hours? And Hopeless didn't even say a thing during this time. Just you talking with Hapa and him calling the thread bad for not wanting to lynch Hopeless. alright. I'm feeling lazy so let's just kill Hopeless. I don't think anything is going to happen in the near future to make either read stronger and so it's just best to consolidate our votes rather than continue to inflate the thread with further pointless back-and-forths. ##unvote ##vote Hopeless1der @Hapa: did you read hopeless filter from LVIII? | ||
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On January 17 2013 05:26 jaybrundage wrote: Your still slight scummy to me but not lynch worthy I feel. Your posting has improved quite a bit as well so I'm cool with that for now.@LM what's your scum read for today. You haven't posted much on reads latly as you have been defending your self. Do you still have me as a scum read. Also between Sloosh or WBG who do you think is scum. I'm trying to determine who I want to vote out of WBG or SlOosh as I'm quite confident one of them is scum. More shall come when the time is right! | ||
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On January 17 2013 05:27 Hapahauli wrote: Meeeh, I really think Hopeless should be defending himself, but since he seem to suck at that... I feel like alot of your points, maybe even all of them, could be explained by the fact that Hopeless is bad. And do you see any scum motivation in scum motivation in saying that a player is suspicious for voting the same person that you are voting yourself? This just seems retarded as both alignments. Also, Hopeless feels like he bases alot of his reads on OMGUS(whoever votes him, he votes etc)Yes I did. However that's only one game out of the multitude of his recent town games in which he played very aggressively. In addition, I can't rationalize his stance on iamp from a town perspective: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955¤tpage=52#1022 Votes Ruuch, afks for the entire night cycle, comes back and says he thinks iamperfection is town for no reasoning, then proceeds to make arguments against me based on the "assumption" of iamp being town. Furthermore, he stated that he didn't understand my reasoning for voting Ruuch, which is incredibly scummy considering that he voted Ruuch himself. Also, I don't exactly see that he went from vote ruush to Iamp is town without explaination as scummy. ruush was a policy lynch and nothing else, and Iamp is clearly looking better than ruush to say the least. | ||
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On January 17 2013 05:45 jaybrundage wrote: Read his filter and you shall find the answer!@Hapa Do you think we have a scum between Sloosh and WBG. If so who and also why would they both be voting Hopeless? | ||
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On January 17 2013 06:54 grush57 wrote: Lol grush...Nvm Ill go slooshie ##Unvote ##Vote: slOosh | ||
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I find this even more interesting given how many players in this game that seems to have Hopeless and SlOosh down as scum mates. | ||
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On January 18 2013 02:39 thrawn2112 wrote: SlOosh. who do you think is scum, and who do you want to lynch? pretend the lynch is completely your choice and give me 2 candidates based on your own thoughts. I'm not too sure of the next two players as my main scum target died tonight... However, I'm quite sure the two remaining scum are among Hapa grush Xata Jay Iamp MrZentor. | ||
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On January 18 2013 02:47 thrawn2112 wrote: Yhea, me not having more than one scum read at this point makes me scum. How?##unvote ##Vote: Lazermonkey | ||
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On January 18 2013 02:50 thrawn2112 wrote: /Facepalmto add to this, looking at your filter from n1 it looks like you were most suspicious of wbg Lazermonkey -sheeps wbg -has no scumread beside his sheep vote -sheeped the person he was most suspicious of How does me sheeping SS make me scum, Lol? He is one of the two players in the game who is in fact confirmed town. And I didn't vote SlOosh for the reasons that SS thought made SlOosh scum. I'm purely sheeping WBG. | ||
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On January 18 2013 02:51 thrawn2112 wrote: ASDSFSDADSDASdAFSDADFSDASAFSASDAFA...if you do not understand this, you are all the more scummy for it town are inherently suspicious of people. you aren't. | ||
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On January 18 2013 02:59 thrawn2112 wrote: Ask yourself this Thrawn, as scum would I be more or less inclined to ''have'' scum reads in case guys like you asks me to out scum reads? And it is you who brought up the wifom shit so why are you blaming me for it? In fact, this is the first time in the game where you are thinking I'm scum for anything else but the slip. lazermonkey, i really don't care at all about this conversation. All I care about right now are your reads, and you clearly don't have any. You are more than willing to engage in conversation about semantics and definitions of scumslips/wifom/etc but you are not willing to engage in scumhunting. I do have reads, everyone that I didn't list in my post I think is town to one degree or another. I am reading the game intensly and the reason I haven't been posting too to much the last two days is because I felt that I wasn't in danger of getting lynched so I've been spending more time reading filters rather than spending time to defend myself against retarded stuff like scum slips. | ||
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On January 18 2013 03:08 thrawn2112 wrote: Nice mentality. You just said I was scum but then you don't even read my posts...i didnt even read that last post. i read "ask yourself this" so i skimmed the rest and saw stuff such as "wifom" but i didn't see anything about scumreads. you know what? walking about wifim is like wifom^2. you said you have reads. talk about them. | ||
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On January 18 2013 03:08 wherebugsgo wrote: WTF, do you even read what I post?had you truly been reading the game intensely you'd be able to contribute to discussion, and at the very least you would be able to give a reason to vote slOosh other than "I'm sheeping SS and that's not scummy." I'm not buying that, try putting in more effort next time, scum. | ||
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On January 18 2013 03:12 thrawn2112 wrote: I DO want to talk about it tho. lazer i do not want you to argue with me about the scumread I have on you. I want you to talk about your reads. we've already been through this | ||
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On January 18 2013 03:16 thrawn2112 wrote: My main scum read died N1 you know. I had to reevaluate my reads alot after that. scumslip He feels that he doesn't need to post that much. Why? Because he felt that he wasn't in danger of getting lynched. and as mentioned. if you had been studying the thread for 48 hours you would be able to talk about your reads on the spot, when asked to do so. | ||
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Thrawn: town. I played vs him last game when he was scum and I town. His play D1 was very active and he pushed a lots of reads in a genuine way I think. Besides, last game he opted to tunnel me for all of D1 pretty much. If he were to be scum he would be less inclined to play this way because I'd be naturally suspicious of it. Hapa: Activ and open about his reads. Town. Hopeless: town for reasons I've already said. Grush: Grush is hard to read as he trolls no matter what alignment he got. I sincerely do not know Jay: I actually got a town read on this guy now. He is doing way better at posting than he originally did. The way he responded to Xata about his scum read on him is something I specially like as Iike. He said that Xata lynch probebly wasn't going to happend and that other players were more suspicious than him, which to me looks very geniun and town. SlOosh: Scum. Sheeping WBG on this pretty much. And look at his most recent post: On January 18 2013 03:17 slOosh wrote: Why does he feel the need to say this? Wouldn't town in his position do just about anything to try to hunt scum because if you are going to die, you might as well give out some reads that is going to be 100% confirmed once you die? Why isn't he attacking WBG who he thought were scum?Ehh ... disappointing. You guys let Mr Zentor and grush lurk away, you guys vote me on a comparison basis of WBG, many of you totally ignoring / avoiding commenting on hopeless (I can't tell the difference) and none of you seem to be concerned that hopeless is lurking now that the lynch is pretty much set. I'll read dump later tonight when I have time, and with my flip you maybe you guys will finally get it together, cause this has got to be the most frustrating town I have ever played with. WBG: Town on WBG. He is scum hunting ALOT. Trying to get the thread onto the right track. For example he was defending Jay early on because of meta reasons even if Jay looked quite bad back then. I don't see why scum WBG would be defending Jay when he easily just could've just pushed him or just ignored him for a potential misslynch. Same thing with me when I ''slipped'' earlier in the thread. Iamp/Ruush: slight town. It seems a bit unlikely that Ruush would play in the way he played if he had been scum. Scum would probebly coach him way more. Xatalos: Scum. Didn't care for shit about D1 lynch. Said he wasn't too sure about Prom flipping scum and didn't think I was scum either but yet ends up voting him because he has to go to sleep. However, he didn't even try to swap the lynch to one of his higher scum reads but just stood by. MrZentor: Slight town. He is just way more active than he usually is when he is scum. And his reads actually seems quite legit this game. His interactions with WBG near deadline D1 seems really good in fact. If I had to guess, scum team is grush/Xatalos/SlOosh. I really need to study now, but I'll be back in some time, at least an hour before the lynch. Most likely more. | ||
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On January 18 2013 05:25 wherebugsgo wrote: I think his case is quite bad. The attack itself however could be seen as a slight town tell maybe as I'm less inclined to belive that scum would attack one of the strongest players rather than focusing on easier misslynches so to speak. However, I think it's a quite small point and it comes down alot to WIFOM as we can only specualte on which targets scum would push. In contrast to what he has done so far he still looks scummy to me. I'm inclined to believe LM on his read of Hopeless because I do actually remember him saying that Hopeless played like this last game. I do also recall that Hopeless played somewhat similarly to this in another game as well, but I'm not quite sure what to think of it, given that I think he was playing like that because of lack of time. He seemed to not be willing to comment on much and he wasn't around at all, but he was town. LM what do you think of Xatalos attacking me? | ||
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On January 18 2013 07:38 wherebugsgo wrote: Given that SlOosh is a better player than Hopeless, I'd say this makes SlOosh looks worse than Hopeless. also note that neither of them are around right now. I know Prom wasn't around either but he actually said in thread that he'd be at work before leaving. (something I had missed earlier) Neither slOosh nor Hopeless have taken an active role in either a.) defending themselves or b.) trying to find scum. This is, IMO, pretty uncharacteristic of BOTH of their town games. slOosh as town is one of the better players in the game, and I know from cohosting with Hopeless and playing with him in past games that he sometimes has similar ideas to me when it comes to scumhunting and playing. So why are they both playing so out of character? I AM glad, though, that we were able to get the vote so close. Even if we lynch wrongly today the votes and the changes should at least give a better idea of how to proceed. | ||
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On January 18 2013 07:45 thrawn2112 wrote: You do realize BOTH hopeless and SlOosh came back the EXACT same minute?what are you talking about? you did the same thing several hours ago. do you want to lynch hopeless instead of sloosh? if not then what is your point? | ||
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On January 18 2013 08:42 slOosh wrote: I did read that. Do you even read my posts? I clearly state exactly why I didn't do exactly that. I don't want you to be giving out a case or anything. Just three names no explanation. | ||
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On January 18 2013 06:27 Xatalos wrote: This is actually quite interesting, Xata realizes that WBG isn't happening and says that both looks scummy but it's unlikely that both are scum. He then chooses to vote Hopeless, even tho my impression from the post is that he just as well could've voted hopeless. I don't think Hopeless and Xatalos are scum together. It makes no sense with the lynch this close to buss. It really seems like Sloosh vs Hopeless at this point, yeah... That wasn't (at least completely) the case before I went to sleep + work, but now it's pretty much a waste to vote anyone else. Considering Sloosh / Hopeless: I think one of them is likely scum, but it's very unlikely that they are both scum. Sloosh lurked all of N1 and only returned to the thread during D2 after he was pressured to give his opinions... And lately he's just talked about lurkers or how this lynch might affect people's scumreads. Hopeless looks worse though with his self-proclaimed townread on Prom (while at the same time soft pushing him and really not caring about him getting lynched), clear apathy towards scumhunting, switching his reads around very easily depending on the thread, inactivity... The list just goes on and on. Hopeless should be the one to get lynched. ##Unvote wherebugsgo ##Vote Hopeless1der | ||
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##Vote: Hopeless WBG Wbgs vote pattern yesterday is veeery funky indeed. He voted/unvoted between SlOosh and Hopeless no less than 5(!) times. Let's look a little bit closer at all this. The first vote On January 16 2013 09:06 wherebugsgo wrote: After this WBG goes on to put HEAVY pressure on SlOosh, points out several things in SlOosh play that makes him scum. ##vote slOosh This vote is not moving until you give me your scumreads and reasons. If I do not believe you, then you will die today. The second vote On January 16 2013 13:02 wherebugsgo wrote: While admittedly I think he is getting convinced by the guy he thinks he scum a little bit too fast, I don't really see any problem with this vote. He did state quite explicit that he had Hopeless down as scum.ah, I was still on the previous page when I started writing that. alright, fair enough. Let's bring out Hopeless and then we can move onto this slOosh business later. ##unvote ##vote Hopeless1der The third vote On January 17 2013 01:42 wherebugsgo wrote: Now, this is when things start to get fishy. WBG states that because he read my post about about Hopeless play last game and how its similar to last game, he is now much more inclined to belive that Hopeless looks town, or at least much better. However, I have a hard time thinking this is what actually happend. In last game, all of us three were town. Me and WBG were heavily suspicious of Hopeless that game(WBG filter). Both of us were pushing him hard core. I have a hard time seeing that WBG just forgot all this in a few days and needed my post as a reminder, especially since he seems to be a guy remembering things like this. For example, he was very fast at dissmissing my accusations against Jay PURELY based on meta from another game, a game that was played about a month ago. alright, let's go for it. I actually like Hopeless's thoughts in his last post and Lazer looks much better because he pointed out something that I noticed too; in Hopeless's last game he played somewhat similar to this. slOosh, on the other hand, is still scum. ##unvote ##vote slOosh Also note how during the time that he voted Hopeless, He doesn't really pressure him at all. He only has one post asking Hopeless about whether or not he is willing to lynch into SlOosh or not. This is in stark difference to when he was pushing SlOosh scum. The forth vote On January 17 2013 04:18 wherebugsgo wrote: Once again, this is a very scummy vote. In just three hours he went from saying that he liked Hopeless posting much more, that he saw similarities to his last game and that SlOosh was scum to the opposite. Hopeless doesn't actually post even once during the time between the third and forth vote. WBG is instead convinced by Hapa's arguments on the issue. During the time between those two votes WBG goes on to say that Hopeless is a good lynch once again. But what happend with Hopeless improved posting? What happend with the meta read that made him look more town? And during this time, WBG still seems convinced that SlOosh is a good lynch, yet he votes Hopeless. alright. I'm feeling lazy so let's just kill Hopeless. I don't think anything is going to happen in the near future to make either read stronger and so it's just best to consolidate our votes rather than continue to inflate the thread with further pointless back-and-forths. ##unvote ##vote Hopeless1der He also tells us to conolidate which is strange because the votecount at this point was looking like this: On January 17 2013 01:50 Dandel Ion wrote: Votecount: slOosh (4): jaybrundage, wherebugsgo, thrawn, MrZentor Hopeless1der (2): Hapahauli, slOosh Lazermonkey (1): Hopeless1der wherebugsgo (1): Xatalos Not voting (3): iamperfection, grush57, Lazermonkey Currently, slOosh is set to be lynched! ~31 hours until deadline. The fifth and final vote On January 18 2013 07:49 wherebugsgo wrote: Not much to say. WBG doesn't really motivate this swap at all and would he have voted Hopeless, hopeless would've died.yes, let's speculate about an SK for no reason at all... let's see what happens if I do this: ##unvote ##vote slOosh Summary: WBG is flipping his vote like a mad man between Hopeless and SlOosh. However, while he is pushing SlOsh hard, he doesn't push hopeless at all. He even pushes SlOosh while he is voting Hopeless. As for the last scum, I'm not sure. My best guess at this point is grush because of the simple explanation that I have a town read, albeit not too strong, on every else. | ||
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On January 20 2013 05:57 Hopeless1der wrote:@Lazer's vote: I beg to differ. My bugs case is based on several points. The fact that he votes you but pushes SlOosh at the same time, the fact that he changes his opinion on who to vote on very... peculiar reasons, the fact that he didn't take meta in account before I pointed it out, etc are all stuff that makes him look bad even if you aren't scum. Convenient that my town-meta can't be used to defend me anymore, now that you need to justify a vote on me. You're entire bugs case is associative contingent on me flipping scum (I won't). It's almost worth it to die, with the exception that I don't trust anyone to follow through once they realize you haven't properly hunted scum all game. | ||
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On January 20 2013 06:15 wherebugsgo wrote: I can't tell whether Lazer being dumb is him being scum or not. Anyway some of my reasons to switch votes were lazy or waffly (or deceptive even) but I did want both slOosh and Hopeless to stay relevant lynches. I could have said nothing at all and I would have done the vote switches anyway. That's why, for example, my vote was on Hopeless for the majority of the time. He was consistently behind in votes. If I swapped over to slOosh at a bad time then it would make a Hopeless lynch less likely, because a net 2 vote switch is likely to scare off all the noobs into making real stances. If you're town and can't understand why I would want a close lynch, and why I would be interested in forcing scum to take sides like that, then I'd suggest you reread Ver's town guide. So, how am I being dumb if your reason for voting someone is deceptive(even from your own PoV)? I can buy that you wanted to hold the voting close. But that isn't a very relevant part of the case anyway. For example, it doesn't explain the fact that you first say that hopeless looks much better after his post + the fact that he played similar to this last game as town and then moments later say that he is just as scummy SlOosh. It also doesn't explain the fact that you didn't push Hopeless at all during the day, while you were pushing SlOosh like no tomorrow. | ||
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On January 20 2013 19:57 Xatalos wrote: Hopeless flipping scum would obviously make WBG look much worse. But even then, it doesn't actually explain some stuff. WBG doesn't actually PUSH Hopeless at all. Just look at his filter. He is only pushing SLOosh. Even when voting Hopeless, he is pushing SlOosh. He dissmisses all my accusations with that he wanted to keep the voting close. I do agree with that keeping the voting close is a nice thing to do as town, however its not a very relevant part of my case at all. I'm not pushing him for the fact THAT he swapped his vote, but rather how he did it. This is pretty much based on WBG trying to save his scumbuddy Hopeless, I guess. If Hopeless flips town, is WBG still scum in your mind? What makes WBG scum outside of this connection? Now, ask youself this. Almost ALL day, SlOosh was leading in votes. If WBG really did want to keep the voting close and were fine with both Hopeless and SlOosh lynches, why did he push SlOosh and not Hopeless? Also, Look at SlOosh last analytical post, he has some good points on WBG as well. WBG is scum for me no matter what Hopeless flips. | ||
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On January 20 2013 21:00 Xatalos wrote: Do explain! It made me suspicious of WBG earlier how he had called almost everyone scum at some point, but mostly just posted lists with 3-5 scum suspects (being fine with lynching any of them). That was a really vague and scummy way to approach the lynches. Your point about him pushing Sloosh and not focusing on Hopeless is actually more townish in itself than being vague and open about the choice. Of course it can be considered as helping his scumbuddy, although that's pretty blatant and risky as well. All in all I'd say that Hopeless flipping scum makes WBG look a bit worse, but not scummy enough to be lynch-worthy considering his overall behaviour during D2. He was basically the leading poster and thread pusher for the whole day. It's really hard to imagine for scum to take so much responsibility over the discussion. | ||
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On January 20 2013 21:48 Xatalos wrote: Then don't you think its strange that WBG is trying to get cred because he tried hard to make the lynch as close as possible while he was actually pushing towards the opposite? If we assume that WBG is town (so he has no information about the alignments of Sloosh or Hopeless), it feels natural to push one of the main lynch candidates over the other one. It would in fact feel unnatural to just be indifferent about which one of them gets lynched as town. He did state quite explicit that he HAD them both down as scum and that he did in fact feel indifferent about who to lynch. Yet he chose only to push SlOosh even tho Hopeless was behind in votes almost all day. | ||
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On January 21 2013 04:28 iamperfection wrote: People think that I'm looking scummy atm. People think that Hopeless is looking scummy atm. Most people thought that Hopeless were looking worse up untill some hours ago. Then Hopeless writes EXACTLY what scum would write in the situation he is in(he keeps on pushing his scum reads, but he doesn't really add anything substantial to the case against me at all nor does he actually give out any other reads). Then 3 people vot swap from him to me. seems like to me your asking the wrong questions. are scum on this wagon. am i scum . what do you think is going on. hrmmmmmmmmmmmmm To be fair, if Hopeless is scum I don't think you are. Scum would most likely not swap in this situation because: 1. It is by no means decided by your vote who is going to die. Hopeless may very well die anyway in which case you look much worse. 2. You do create discussion. If Hopeless is town then you could very well be scum because you are trying to look like you are contributing and that you actually care about the lynch, when the only two alternatives for tonights lynch is two townies. Zentor is obviously town so nothing to say here. Grush alignment, like I said earlier, depends alot on Hopeless alignment. I don't think they are both scum. They could be both town, though I doubt it. | ||
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On January 21 2013 06:06 Hopeless1der wrote: FixedI am scum Lazer is town So, on a more serious note. Why should you want to vote hopeless? D1 - he calls me scum and Prom town. Yet he only watches while Prom gets misslynched and doesn't push me for shit. He instead comments on MrZentor. N1 - He lurks. D2 - He calls Hapa scum based purely on OMGUS. N2 - He lurks. D3 - When he is on the edge of getting misslynched, what does he do? He echo's his thoughts from earlier days. He actually doesn't contribute for shit. This is like exactly the opposite of what you would want to do as town. If he were town, he would do his very best giving out ALL of his reads so that it can help us. | ||
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On January 21 2013 07:07 Hopeless1der wrote: Hopeless, you realise that a good move as town would be to actually give YOUR reads on ALL people in this situation? Yeah I thought so bugs. Xata or jay, your assistance would be greatly appreciated in the kill lazermonkey endeavor. | ||
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On January 21 2013 07:20 Hopeless1der wrote: Wait, you don't care about the game? But then why take the time to even post this? Why take the time to write a case on both me and Hapa? It doesn't actually matter about what response you will get. Its not only about you avoiding to get lynched anymore but also about you giving town reads we can trust to 100%.After the responses I've been getting all game? Nah I'll be indignant and obnoxious thank you. Less rage inducing for me. | ||
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On January 21 2013 07:28 wherebugsgo wrote: I think you are remembering incorrectly then : /Lol I'm in a sushi bar not giving much of a fuck, I was trying to remind myself to log out too :p As for grush, I don't think his vote is necessarily where his mouth is, unless I'm remembering incorrectly. | ||
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On January 21 2013 07:31 Hopeless1der wrote: Some of your town reads are from daaays ago. And for some of them you don't even give any reasoning what so ever. That isn't very helpfull at all. Do you think you are helping town by just sitting here doing jack shit instead?If the town can't figure out my town reads based on my filter when I flip...I just... I don't even. I'm not kind of scummy on you and hapa, you're strong reads, so giving town reads on the rest of the player base is redundant | ||
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On January 21 2013 07:36 grush57 wrote: If hopeless flips scum(I'm guessing you still think he is scum), do you think Hapa is scum still? You know Hapa is like the very reason Hopeless is getting lynched right now... hapa, seriosuly u literally did nothing this whole game, and notice how he doesn't refute it he just edits my post pulling the ol' scum strawman argument. You are absolutely nothing alike in your town games. ##Unvote ##Vote: HapaHauli | ||
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On January 21 2013 07:37 Lazermonkey wrote: EBWOP: And what do you say about the last scum? you said some time ago that you thought that Xata was scum with me and Hapa. Do you still stand by this?Some of your town reads are from daaays ago. And for some of them you don't even give any reasoning what so ever. That isn't very helpfull at all. Do you think you are helping town by just sitting here doing jack shit instead? | ||
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On January 21 2013 07:43 Hopeless1der wrote: Dude, I'm not even pushing you any longer. I am saying that it is insanely likely that you will die in about one hour and IF you for some reason actually is town instead of scum, the good news for us is that we know everything you have said has been comming from a townie.Please look at the way Lazer is pushing me here. There are a finite number of scum in the game. I STRONGLY believe I've pegged two. At most I've missed one. Lazer's accusations suggest I need to give extensive town reads because they'll be beneficial. Bullshit. My town reads are inherent in the fact that they aren't scumreads. The current "exception" is xata/bugs. I think the scumteam is LM Hapa WBG at the moment. If you actually want town to win, you should have realised that by now and start to read filters in order to give out as good reads of every player in the game as you possibly can. You haven't lost the game just because you got lynched and helping us by giving out reads to the best of your ability should be your priority 1 right now. But owell, If you dont feel like giving out reads, it means you are most likely scum anyways. And I don't feel like arguing with scum about stuff like this. | ||
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On January 21 2013 07:52 Hopeless1der wrote: Every person we have down as town is one less who could be scum. So I beg to differ on this point. Its LYLO tomorrow. Town reads are meaningless. | ||
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On January 21 2013 09:09 wherebugsgo wrote: Bugs, explain how grush is scum? Sorry guys, I failed there. I was too stubborn and didn't go with my doubts. Good news though is that, though we have to lynch correctly tomorrow, it's actually quite a bit easier now. We basically have a free lynch in grush IMO and Lazer is still quite likely to flip scum too. | ||
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On January 22 2013 07:19 iamperfection wrote: This is a very good point actually. Hapa has posted less than half of what he did in British Empire MM in the same amount of time. Same thing goes for Hero MM. I think hapa has a good chance of flipping scum one thing that stands out to me is that hapa can not stand lurkers and now we have plenty of them at this point with activity really dying off the last few days. In my mind i believe a town hapa would be doing anything he could think of to spur activity at this point and he hasn't done it and i know he is capable of doing it. It appears that he doesn't care about the recent developments most likely not because he is having a bad game but more likely because he is scum and his recent attitude. | ||
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The only two possible setups in the game is either: MMCC??T - 2 Goons + Roleblocker, Serial Killer or MMCCTTT - Goon + Roleblocker + Godfather, Serial Killer So, unless scum is stupid, this would mean they already know (almost certainly, at least) the setup. Now, how is this relevant? Well, during N2 scum didn't actually know anything but that their team consisted of 2Goon + RB or Goon, RB and GF and that SK has flipped. This means that, most likely there would be at least a couple of blue roles. It does seem strange for scum in this position to be RBing Xata if Xata was scum, especially since there was only 10 players left in the game. Assuming two blues, scum would then have a 2/10=20 chance to hit blue only counting pure chance. In reality chances of getting RB on a blue is probebly even greater due to meta changes. This means that scum Xata is probebly very unlikely. | ||
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Xata is probebly town. You seem very town. WBG does look far better than he did before in my eyes. Stuff like On January 21 2013 08:51 DearestSnot wrote: Seems to be comming from town. Had he been scum, I think he would've been more inclined to swap over to me. I think that Hopeless last minute post was looking very townie, and if WBG had actually pushed me I very well could've died. After that, we could risk exactly what WBG said. Even if Hopeless would survive today, he would have a hard time surviving tomorrow. And by that time he'd look even worse.LOL this guy, saying I caught slOosh because I am scum. What the actual fuck? First of all, most of this latest stuff is WIFOMy and not really alignment indicative. Super had a townish read on you, cool story bro. He also had a scumread on Prom. You had a motherfucking "town read" on Prom and you didn't even bother defending him. This effort seems townish, but it's too little, too late and simply serves to undermine a good lynch. Let's go through with it now, because I can almost guarantee that if Hopeless lives today we 're gonna have to go through this shit again. That leaves grush, Jay and Hapa. Atm I think grush is looking the worst, but I'm cool with Hapa lynch as well. | ||
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Hapa is obvious scum so I'll vote him. hopefully I'm feeling better tomorrow. ##Vote: Hapahauli | ||
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As for reads, they are pretty much unchanged since yesterday. Iamp - town. WBG - town. I'm even more confident in this read now. The way WBG raged is imo a big town tell. I have seen many guys rage like that and none of them have been scum. Also, he is considering me to be town, which seems to be a stupid strat if he would've been scum. Xata - most likely town. Jay - scum. grush - scum. | ||
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On January 24 2013 11:11 wherebugsgo wrote: Like you said, I came to the conclusion that Xata most likely is town. After SK flipped and mason pair flipped, we knew the setup is:right now? no, I don't think so. Suppose thrawn was a blue snipe, it's pretty plausible, and they possibly even avoided shooting me because they might have thought I was protted or something, then holding RB is a potential. My problem with that though is that n2 is when thrawn died and prior to that, scum knew there had to be at least another blue role outside of super, because of the SK flip. Lazer was speculating about it, so either he's scum who simply copied in what his team was talking about or he was trying to figure it out himself. I don't actually see what conclusions he drew from it so it's certainly plausible that he simply copied and pasted what his team was talking about. Normally if you setup-speculate you at least have a reason for doing it, lazer didn't seem to have one. TTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof) However, since scum obviously know the amount of players on their own team, they knew this by the time that SlOosh flipped SK. So they knew there most likely would be extra town roles(since this isn't exactly C9++ we cannot know for sure becasue Dandel said he wouldn't add one-shot roles, however we can do educated guesses). And btw, holding D1 RB is generally a minor loss to scum due to the fact that there is less information on meta changes and stuff like that. This makes it even harder for scum to try figure out who is blue and who is not. | ||
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On January 22 2013 10:44 jaybrundage wrote: Welp Zentor died told that bastard to post >.< I haven't really thought of hapa much as scum but you guys bring up some good points . His lack of posting is a pretty big warning sign. Also as Ziggler pointed out Hapa hates people lurking and he always does his best to prod the town and push the town and drive discussion This game I havent seen that from him. Also the fact that hapa hasn't been shot is suspect. However the same can be said of WBG as both are vets that know how to play a good town. The more I look over hapa the less I see him as town and the more scummy he looks. However grush is also really scummy his consistent lack of contributing and last day he threw his vote to the side he didn't even want a choice in deciding the lynch candidate. Like what the hell is that? Im going to have to look things over again. But Iamp is making some good sense. ##Vote Hapahauli | ||
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On January 24 2013 22:58 iamperfection wrote: AFAIK, we didn't really conclude Xata being town. But it is very likely due to the fact that he got RB when scum knew there probebly were more blue roles.as we concluded last night xaltos is town not gonna bother going through his filter. | ||
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On January 24 2013 23:51 iamperfection wrote: I C WHAT U MEAN:this is an educated guessing game after all... very likely concluded same thing. | ||
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On January 25 2013 00:40 iamperfection wrote: Case on Jay is comming later when I have time.jay and grush are the scum in your view lazer correct? Why are you not trying to convince me? | ||
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Well, after really analysing his filter, I must say he looks far far worse than grush. 1. His vote on Hopeless. All of Jay's votes this far has been super funky. But the one who is by far the most funky is his vote on hopeless. + Show Spoiler + On January 17 2013 11:19 jaybrundage wrote: Independent of you being scum voting for hopeless. I have a null tell/leaning townieon Hopeless. He has done some scummy things earlier on. However I think more recent his posting has improved like his reasoning for voting for Ruuch when he thought he might be town does make sense. It shows reasoning and his thought process. SlOosh In the small possibility that you are town. If you could give your reads on everyone and your other scum reads as well, I know that you think Hopeless and WBG are scum is there a third party that appeals to you? We have a whole day left. The more people post and be transparent the better of a chance town has towards winning. @Hapa given what Hopeless said. Why did you vote for Ruunch? If you thought Prom was scum? On January 18 2013 09:45 jaybrundage wrote: Given that Sloosh was SK. It makes my read of hopeless off. I assumed that sloosh would flip scum which would make Hopeless more likly to be town. But with Sloosh flipping SK it makes Hopeless seem a lot scummier imo. Tmw we should lynch hopeless or lynch grush. His pretty useless and hasn't contributed at all. When he does deem to give his reads. He doesn't follow it with any reasoning. Also Mr.Z i said it before but you gotta step it up. Where is the late game Mr.Z that was promised to me 2. His interactions with Hapa self-explanatory + and I did post about this earlier. 3. He doesn't really have any town reads. Giving out town reads usually isn't alignment indicative. But the way Jay does it, I feel it is. His only real town reads (and by ''real'', I'm excluding stuff like null/slight town shit) were WBG and MrZentor. Both for shit reasons. WBG because he said that it made no sense for both him and SlOosh and WBG to be scum but SlOosh hadn't even flipped at that point. MrZentor because he defended him at the start if D1... I get the impression that he is trying to buddy up with the vets while setting up bandwagons everywhere else. 4. His back and forth with grush Note that this is actually not that dependant on grush being scum, though it does indeed make him look worse if grush is indeed scum. Basically all game he has got a scum read on grush it seems, yet he doesn't want to vote him nor truly push him. He just keeps on poking him a little bit now and then. Very non-commital. Look at British Empire MM where he had a scum read on Mr.CC and note the big diference compared to this game. In both game he was having a scum read who noone else was really interested in. In British, he kept pushing Mr. CC like a madman. In this game, not so much. Also, why no vote on grush? In British he mentions CC for like the third time ever in the game and BAM, vote right away.+ Show Spoiler + On January 06 2013 03:32 jaybrundage wrote: First off you said you have done this before how many times have you done this tunneling on DP and out of the times you have done it how many times have you been wrong. If you play with DP alot and you can read him consistently then I will reconsider my position. The reason I find him scummy as been said before. Is his flip flopping on Hapa from hes obv completly with out a doubt scum to i have no fucking idea. It seemed to me like scum backing off of a mislynch they were pushing gone wrong. I personally put alot less faith in reading people's reactions to when they are about to be or going to be lynched. The quote was me being frustrated with DP's flip flopping he has gone from scum to town to scum now giving someone townie cred for the possibility of one of his scum reads being town. So yes he did change his opinion on hapa again. I didnt say anything wrong. Also I dont like CC hes doing absolutely nothing this game. He has made some worthless comments about concentrating on finding scum. He was mentioning the DP-Hapa conversations early one with out giving his opinion on him hasn't commentated much on it when DP was doing some scummy stuff. He makes a case on Xalatos for making a 180 on DP and calls him scummy for it. However when DP does so many 180s on Hapa hes trying to pull off a 900. CC doesn't give it a second thought although DP is doing the samething as Xalatos CC ignores it. CC has played like he has more knowledge on other townies. He would of known if DP and Hapa were town or not so he played accordingly. Also his lack of anything in his filter is really disconcerting. He has said useless 1 liners. And made a case of 180s that were exactly what DP was doing. ##Unvote ##Vote Mr.CheeseCake | ||
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On January 25 2013 05:22 grush57 wrote: its LYLO. There is no ''if it isn't WBG it is...''. If we misslynch once more, we lose. Simple as that. Do you belive WBG is scum or not?mm, If it isn't wbg it has to be jay + LZ Yesterday you called Jay probebly town. What is it that makes him scum today? | ||
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On January 25 2013 05:44 grush57 wrote: Lol.Because if wbg isn't then jay is. Is WBG/me your biggest scum read? | ||
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On January 25 2013 07:36 iamperfection wrote: The case you are refering to his case on grush, right? He asked people what they thought of it once IIRC... And he never even voted grush. i started righting a case on jay but i now think he is town. He seems pretty active and he asks a lot of questions regarding the current reads hes pushing and asking what people think of his case. Seems townie to me Comments on my case on him? Your obviously disagreeing with it but I'd like to see exactly why. | ||
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On January 25 2013 08:27 iamperfection wrote: Actually, this is the only post where he mentions his case on grush AFAIK.like i saw a lot posts like what do you think of my case. More like he wanted his voice to be heard and stuff like that. Town want to be heard because that want to kill scum. Scum just to survive so they blend in. Looks like jay wants his voice heard. On January 15 2013 14:33 jaybrundage wrote: Tho, he did actually continue to push grush after that if that is what you meant.Can yall give some feed back on my grush case What do you think of the rest of my case? His Hopeless vote for example? | ||
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On January 25 2013 08:33 grush57 wrote: Sorry that I'll make you quit wbg, but you might be scum so idk if you were just saying that. On January 25 2013 08:33 grush57 wrote: Does grush actually get this emotional? I get town vibes from these two posts TBH... Grush, if your actually town, you realize that there is 48 hours untill lynch?Welp gg, gj scum. Maybe Lazermonkey + Xatalos? Idk but I played bad this game and they have a pretty good case. | ||
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On January 25 2013 14:56 Xatalos wrote: It's only scummy if I would have a really strong scum read on grush. And if you actually did read my filter, I do have a stronger scum read on Jay for the the time being... And if it really is that obvious scummy in your opinion, why do you think I'm even trying to defend grush? Wouldn't it be better if I just bussed him then?Lazermonkey, how did you go from grush as definitely most scummy (even over Hapa) to "feeling townie vibes" just from two one-liner posts where grush seems like giving up? That's a scummy attitude to being in a bad spot, not a townish one. And in any case, I don't understand how two one-liners can change someone's mind after seeing him as the most scummy player based on his earlier filler. This is starting to feel like a desperate last attempt by two cornered scum..... After all, once grush flips scum, Lazermonkey would be in a really hard spot to take the game. ##Vote grush57 And I was roleblocked once more.... | ||
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On January 25 2013 13:23 wherebugsgo wrote: I think you are wrong. Hapa did probebly not know that he was going to die by the time of Hopeless flip. He kept trying to actually post untill the votes started to flow in on him during D4. However, Jay simply asked what people's opinion was of Hapa and what Hapa's biggest scum read was once hopeless had flipped. He never gave his own view on Hapa UNTILL Iamp's vote on him during D4. I don't really see how you can get such a big town tell(or a town tell at all even) by the fact that he asked Hapa about his reads when his main scum read, the one he tunneled for two days, just flipped town. It's implicit to wonder what reads the person got in that situation.yeah I think jay asking for hapa to give his reads is a very townie thing of him to do. As scum he'd probably suspect or even know that hapa was going to simply die. The way hapa played it out it seemed as if he had assumed he was dead. I don't think jay as scum (no offense) would have the foresight to ask hapa for his reads. It makes more sense from a town perspective, where jay has had a town read on hapa all game, and is confused at his absence, and wants hapa to give reads simply in the case that he might be town, to get a better read on the situation. I'd expect scum to do what grush did, i.e. insta-bus hapa. The lynch on Hapa was nowhere set in stone by N3, here is a short summary of what happend during the night: Iamp was pushing you. You were pushing grush. You EVEN soft defended Hapa during the night. Jay was pushing grush. grush calls WBG, Hapa and possibly me/Xata as scum. Xata says grush is likelier scum than Hapa. If anything, grush was looking likelier to be lynched judged by the posts during the night. It was at the very of the night that Iamp started to consider Hapa being scum. | ||
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On January 25 2013 17:47 wherebugsgo wrote: I didn't want to make you look bad... Its quite clear I got a town read on you at this point, don't you think? It was simply to prove my point that you Hapa lynch was no where set in stone by the time that Jay asked Hapa for his reads. And if you say that you hard defended him, then by all means that proves my point.I didn't soft defend hapa, I fucking hard defended him. This is just misrepresentation. If you want to make me look bad at least read the thread first. | ||
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On January 25 2013 17:48 wherebugsgo wrote: I never recall saying something else. I said that during the night, grush was basically the only one with Hapa as a clear scum read. also grush called hapa scum BEFORE HOPELESS DIED. He was so sure Hapa was scum well before Hopeless even fucking flipped. I don't understand how as town in your situation you can even consider anyone other than grush the best lynch today. | ||
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1. I don't understand your logic here. Why is SlOosh flipping SK changing your read on Hopeless again? 2. My point still stands. 3. Okay, fair enough. 4. But why do you keep tunneling grush then? You get response that you say is scummy but yet you don't vote him... Also: You forget to mention that the person i tunneled in British MM was a town. Scum slip? : ) Indicating grush is scum this game. | ||
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On January 26 2013 04:02 Xatalos wrote: Yay, Xata is here.Well, you had a stronger scumread on grush than Hapa yesterday, and now it's apparently gone (or greatly diminished) just because grush posted two posts where he was almost ready to concede. Does that sound like a town or scum mindset to you? And even if he actually *did* something townish now, it's just stupid to abandon everything before it and think he's town based on two posts. Your sudden change of opinion for such a nonexistent reason seems more like you're grush's teammate and going for a final effort before conceding. I at least can't imagine I'd change my mind around like that if I were in your situation as town. Bussing is a good scum tactic, but not always the best option. The game gets harder for scum as time goes on and if your situation is that bad to begin with, it might be better to risk it than to try delaying for more time. Dunno, that's just WIFOM anyway. What matters is what each player has actually done in this game, not what they might have done instead. Naw, I never said I got a town read on grush. I said I got town vibes from his post. He is still my 2:d scum read atm, not as scummy as Jay but still probebly scum. I have played like 3/4(don't really remember o.O) games with him this far and I don't think I've ever seen him be emotional before. Obviously, that's not exactly alignment indicative, however I get the impression that he actually meant the words he wrote. I want to lynch Jay today because my read on him is faaar stronger and that will give us an extra 72 to determine grush's alignment. You have any more thoughts on him? What's your take on his interactions with Hapa for example? Don't think you've mentioned them yet. | ||
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On January 26 2013 04:17 wherebugsgo wrote: If Jay isn't happening, I'm obviously swapping over to grush.supposing LM is town and has come to the conclusion that grush + jay are the scum it would make far more sense for his vote to be against grush, rather than with grush. | ||
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On January 26 2013 04:12 Xatalos wrote: No, because it's diferent in his situation. He actually called Hopeless slight town independant of SlOosh alignment. Most of you guys just said that Hopeless were looking scummy but SlOosh was likelier scum. It was quite clear that they both couldn't be scum so then it makes sense to first have a town read on Hopeless but then change your mind once he actually flips SK.My read on Hopeless changed as well because he flipped SK instead of scum. It would have been very unlikely that both Sloosh and Hopeless were scum, since they were the two opposing wagons for the day. But since Sloosh flipped SK, it made much more sense for Hopeless to be scum than if Sloosh had flipped scum. What's scummy about this? It's very simple logic. Your logic is what's questionable here for not understanding the basic situation. Lol, nice catch  Surely it's grush+Jay with that, haha... Actually Jay *is* weirdly certain about grush being scum with that wording, but it could be just overconfidence in his read. I'm fairly certain grush is scum too, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that he IS scum.For Jay, I feel he just saw everyone going after Hopeless and thought that because ''everyone is using this SlOosh flipped SK argument, then why can't I?'' when it in fact doesn't make any sense to change your read in that position. | ||
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On January 26 2013 04:27 wherebugsgo wrote: DINGDINGDING 10 Points for Mr. WBG!or rather, voting to lynch jay, as if grush gets lynched jay won't, and grush's vote will have been on jay. It banks on us assuming that grush wouldn't try to push jay as a lynch at this point. It's kind of wifomy; the question is whether scum would try to win today, or whether scum would try to win tomorrow. I think it's easier for them to try to win tomorrow if they bus today. So, perhaps jay + grush is the team after all. | ||
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On January 26 2013 04:35 wherebugsgo wrote: I will swap votes tomorrow unless something interesting happends. Untill then I think its good if we keep up some discussion.lazer, let's lynch grush today though. I'm simply more confident that grush is scum. If grush + jay is the team then it truly doesn't matter who we try to lynch first, but I'd rather play safer. | ||
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On January 26 2013 08:43 grush57 wrote: ##Unvote*Grush advice* If you have a bad feeling about lynching someone, it is because it is a mislynch *That has been, Grush advice* ##Vote: grush57 | ||
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On January 26 2013 11:43 jaybrundage wrote: You see, I think you are lying here. Note the bolded part in this post:Eh I thought sloosh would flip scum. When he didn't and flipped SK it made sense for mafia to try to save a scum hopeless Or so i thought from my point of view. If i had been around for when hopeless started posting really townie then maybe it would of been different. I kept tunneling grush because the more people post the better you can read them. Then today what lamp said about grush made a bit of sense of him being a coin flip. But as its coming down to the line. The only thing that makes much sense is lazer and grush. WBG and Xat dont make much sense. On January 17 2013 11:19 jaybrundage wrote: You see, it actually doesn't make any sense for you to be swapping your reads on Hopeless just because SlOosh slips SK. From scum PoV SlOosh looks just like a townie, so why would you actually change your read (town hopeless -> scum hopeless) because SlOosh flipped SK? Had SlOosh been town and Hopeless been scum, scum would have been just as inclined to save Hopeless as if Hopeless were scum and SlOosh SK. I think this logical faliure is a quite strong proof of that you cannot be town...Independent of you being scum voting for hopeless. I have a null tell/leaning townieon Hopeless. He has done some scummy things earlier on. However I think more recent his posting has improved like his reasoning for voting for Ruuch when he thought he might be town does make sense. It shows reasoning and his thought process. SlOosh In the small possibility that you are town. If you could give your reads on everyone and your other scum reads as well, I know that you think Hopeless and WBG are scum is there a third party that appeals to you? We have a whole day left. The more people post and be transparent the better of a chance town has towards winning. @Hapa given what Hopeless said. Why did you vote for Ruunch? If you thought Prom was scum? | ||
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On January 26 2013 10:52 wherebugsgo wrote: WBG, if your only possible scum teams involve Jay (+me or grush) at this point I suggest we we kill Jay today then. where the fuck is xata? Xata I want to know if you think jay + lazer is more likely than jay + grush. I'm pretty much gonna rule out grush + lazer, I think that might be too simple. ##Unvote ##Vote: jaybrundage | ||
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On January 27 2013 03:29 wherebugsgo wrote: The two scum teams you thought were most possible at that point were Jay + me and Jay + grush and then it makes total sense to kill Jay, don't you think...?Actually I think my statement had an unintended effect. I do now think it's grush + Lazer again, because when I said that, Lazer swapped to you. He's ultra willing to kill you (as is grush) Grush is seemingly not really willing to kill Lazer though, and vice versa too. It seems if they are presented with alternatives, they go for those alternatives. Lazer definitely seems the most opportunistic right now. | ||
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On January 27 2013 04:03 grush57 wrote: I'm toooooown :D. I could lynch Lazer, atleast I know we won't be mislynching then. On January 27 2013 02:59 grush57 wrote: Lol...Well, the thread pretty much died. Scum were the more active members and now they lurk cuz of ez win :'( WBG and Jay, gogogo | ||
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On January 27 2013 04:05 wherebugsgo wrote: No, I'm considering it too. That's why I want to kill Jay first...you make no effort at convincing us you're town. You also make no effort at figuring out who is scum. At this point I think I'm the only one who has entertained the possibility that you are town, grush, and quite honestly given your play I feel pretty stupid for it. | ||
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On January 27 2013 04:13 jaybrundage wrote: Yhea, you didn't read anything.Also the fact that lazer is resisting the grush lynch. Even when he thinks the scum team is me and grush. Makes me feel more confident in a grush lazer scum team. | ||
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On January 27 2013 04:18 grush57 wrote: Wasn't WBG scum just minutes ago?COMMAN JAY OR LAZER WHO WE GOING FOR WBG | ||
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On January 27 2013 04:35 grush57 wrote: Yhea but we think he is town...You guys consult him for everything so why not ask him> | ||
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On January 27 2013 04:43 grush57 wrote: So instead of actually trying to convince us that you are a misslynch you ask your scum read on who to vote?Exactly. You guys are mislynching me. Both Lazer and Jay have a chance of flipping scum. | ||
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On January 27 2013 05:53 wherebugsgo wrote: Yhea, so you are okay with Jay lynch then?if grush is town then why would it matter which one of you I try to kill? you're both scum. | ||
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On January 27 2013 05:59 wherebugsgo wrote: How? I want Jay killed.also lazer right now is trying to be diplomatic with everyone. :/ | ||
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On January 27 2013 07:52 wherebugsgo wrote: I'm thinking if there is anything I CAN say to convince you in this situation. Sadly I have been playing so fucking bad this game I have hard time to belive that. I'm starting to doubt my grush read also which means we will lose no matter if we lynch me or grush. I don't understand why you would need to think in this situation and not scream don't lynch me, I'm town, we lose if I get lynched. | ||
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On January 27 2013 08:15 grush57 wrote: Naw, its kinda sad that I'm town actually. tho it would be funny as hell if you were town too | ||
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On January 27 2013 08:16 Xatalos wrote: What do you want me to do? I can vote grush but there is no fucking way I'm going to turn the lynch any other way at this point. Scum played well enough and I played horrible enough to let this happend.Lol. Looks like it's all or nothing then. If you flip town I'm gonna be pretty pissed at this, but it's your choice for not doing anything and now suiciding. ##Unvote ##Vote: Lazermonkey | ||
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On January 27 2013 08:22 Xatalos wrote: I was actually quite active for most of the day, just less active the last 2 hours because I was watching a movie with my family. the fact that WBG swapped over to me because I voted Jay who WAS my biggest scum read and who he even called scum for certain at points made me fucking mad. And yes, my play is shit. But we can leave that to post game.Maybe it's too late now, but you could have done something, anything, earlier if you were town. You've been basically just lurking the discussion for many hours now. Not to mention your whole play throughout this game that led to this. But if you're scum, I guess this is the easiest way out. | ||
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On January 27 2013 08:29 Xatalos wrote: Yhea, all the game I've been getting the same feeling. But after rereading I always see sooo many flaws with WBG being scum. Jay/grush just makes more sense. If you are scum you hvae sincerely played well.There's actually a lingering doubt in my mind that WBG might be scum after all. He's been acting really irrationally lately and now he just went lurking. Is this really his town play? And he even calls me scum for saying something that MrZentor and iamperfection agreed with. I don't even... | ||
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On January 27 2013 08:50 jaybrundage wrote: Lol, the fact that you are scum makes this look kinda funny ; D. No its a bad idea. Stick with lazer. Last minute vote swapping now would be a scum move. | ||
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##Vote: jaybrundage Because why not... | ||
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On January 27 2013 09:59 Xatalos wrote: This was like the main reason I thought you were town TBH. I were resisting so much when there was a clear misslynch potential in me. I think that if you had pushed me, you probebly would've won anyway tho.Heh, I guess I went a bit overboard with resisting the Lazer lynch. I just thought that it would look bad if I easily switched to Lazer, but I couldn't come up with reasons to resist other thank Kush, so I went too far with that one argument. iamperfection agreed with my argument though, so I didn't think you'd be so upset about that. | ||
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