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Lazermonkey
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On January 25 2013 05:22 grush57 wrote: its LYLO. There is no ''if it isn't WBG it is...''. If we misslynch once more, we lose. Simple as that. Do you belive WBG is scum or not?mm, If it isn't wbg it has to be jay + LZ Yesterday you called Jay probebly town. What is it that makes him scum today? | ||
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Lazermonkey
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On January 25 2013 05:44 grush57 wrote: Lol.Because if wbg isn't then jay is. Is WBG/me your biggest scum read? | ||
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Lazermonkey
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On January 25 2013 07:36 iamperfection wrote: The case you are refering to his case on grush, right? He asked people what they thought of it once IIRC... And he never even voted grush. i started righting a case on jay but i now think he is town. He seems pretty active and he asks a lot of questions regarding the current reads hes pushing and asking what people think of his case. Seems townie to me Comments on my case on him? Your obviously disagreeing with it but I'd like to see exactly why. | ||
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Lazermonkey
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On January 25 2013 08:27 iamperfection wrote: Actually, this is the only post where he mentions his case on grush AFAIK.like i saw a lot posts like what do you think of my case. More like he wanted his voice to be heard and stuff like that. Town want to be heard because that want to kill scum. Scum just to survive so they blend in. Looks like jay wants his voice heard. On January 15 2013 14:33 jaybrundage wrote: Tho, he did actually continue to push grush after that if that is what you meant.Can yall give some feed back on my grush case What do you think of the rest of my case? His Hopeless vote for example? | ||
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Lazermonkey
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On January 25 2013 08:33 grush57 wrote: Sorry that I'll make you quit wbg, but you might be scum so idk if you were just saying that. On January 25 2013 08:33 grush57 wrote: Does grush actually get this emotional? I get town vibes from these two posts TBH... Grush, if your actually town, you realize that there is 48 hours untill lynch?Welp gg, gj scum. Maybe Lazermonkey + Xatalos? Idk but I played bad this game and they have a pretty good case. | ||
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Lazermonkey
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Lazermonkey
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On January 25 2013 14:56 Xatalos wrote: It's only scummy if I would have a really strong scum read on grush. And if you actually did read my filter, I do have a stronger scum read on Jay for the the time being... And if it really is that obvious scummy in your opinion, why do you think I'm even trying to defend grush? Wouldn't it be better if I just bussed him then?Lazermonkey, how did you go from grush as definitely most scummy (even over Hapa) to "feeling townie vibes" just from two one-liner posts where grush seems like giving up? That's a scummy attitude to being in a bad spot, not a townish one. And in any case, I don't understand how two one-liners can change someone's mind after seeing him as the most scummy player based on his earlier filler. This is starting to feel like a desperate last attempt by two cornered scum..... After all, once grush flips scum, Lazermonkey would be in a really hard spot to take the game. ##Vote grush57 And I was roleblocked once more.... | ||
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Lazermonkey
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On January 25 2013 13:23 wherebugsgo wrote: I think you are wrong. Hapa did probebly not know that he was going to die by the time of Hopeless flip. He kept trying to actually post untill the votes started to flow in on him during D4. However, Jay simply asked what people's opinion was of Hapa and what Hapa's biggest scum read was once hopeless had flipped. He never gave his own view on Hapa UNTILL Iamp's vote on him during D4. I don't really see how you can get such a big town tell(or a town tell at all even) by the fact that he asked Hapa about his reads when his main scum read, the one he tunneled for two days, just flipped town. It's implicit to wonder what reads the person got in that situation.yeah I think jay asking for hapa to give his reads is a very townie thing of him to do. As scum he'd probably suspect or even know that hapa was going to simply die. The way hapa played it out it seemed as if he had assumed he was dead. I don't think jay as scum (no offense) would have the foresight to ask hapa for his reads. It makes more sense from a town perspective, where jay has had a town read on hapa all game, and is confused at his absence, and wants hapa to give reads simply in the case that he might be town, to get a better read on the situation. I'd expect scum to do what grush did, i.e. insta-bus hapa. The lynch on Hapa was nowhere set in stone by N3, here is a short summary of what happend during the night: Iamp was pushing you. You were pushing grush. You EVEN soft defended Hapa during the night. Jay was pushing grush. grush calls WBG, Hapa and possibly me/Xata as scum. Xata says grush is likelier scum than Hapa. If anything, grush was looking likelier to be lynched judged by the posts during the night. It was at the very of the night that Iamp started to consider Hapa being scum. | ||
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Lazermonkey
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Lazermonkey
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On January 25 2013 17:47 wherebugsgo wrote: I didn't want to make you look bad... Its quite clear I got a town read on you at this point, don't you think? It was simply to prove my point that you Hapa lynch was no where set in stone by the time that Jay asked Hapa for his reads. And if you say that you hard defended him, then by all means that proves my point.I didn't soft defend hapa, I fucking hard defended him. This is just misrepresentation. If you want to make me look bad at least read the thread first. | ||
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Lazermonkey
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On January 25 2013 17:48 wherebugsgo wrote: I never recall saying something else. I said that during the night, grush was basically the only one with Hapa as a clear scum read. also grush called hapa scum BEFORE HOPELESS DIED. He was so sure Hapa was scum well before Hopeless even fucking flipped. I don't understand how as town in your situation you can even consider anyone other than grush the best lynch today. | ||
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Lazermonkey
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1. I don't understand your logic here. Why is SlOosh flipping SK changing your read on Hopeless again? 2. My point still stands. 3. Okay, fair enough. 4. But why do you keep tunneling grush then? You get response that you say is scummy but yet you don't vote him... Also: You forget to mention that the person i tunneled in British MM was a town. Scum slip? : ) Indicating grush is scum this game. | ||
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Lazermonkey
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On January 26 2013 04:02 Xatalos wrote: Yay, Xata is here.Well, you had a stronger scumread on grush than Hapa yesterday, and now it's apparently gone (or greatly diminished) just because grush posted two posts where he was almost ready to concede. Does that sound like a town or scum mindset to you? And even if he actually *did* something townish now, it's just stupid to abandon everything before it and think he's town based on two posts. Your sudden change of opinion for such a nonexistent reason seems more like you're grush's teammate and going for a final effort before conceding. I at least can't imagine I'd change my mind around like that if I were in your situation as town. Bussing is a good scum tactic, but not always the best option. The game gets harder for scum as time goes on and if your situation is that bad to begin with, it might be better to risk it than to try delaying for more time. Dunno, that's just WIFOM anyway. What matters is what each player has actually done in this game, not what they might have done instead. Naw, I never said I got a town read on grush. I said I got town vibes from his post. He is still my 2:d scum read atm, not as scummy as Jay but still probebly scum. I have played like 3/4(don't really remember o.O) games with him this far and I don't think I've ever seen him be emotional before. Obviously, that's not exactly alignment indicative, however I get the impression that he actually meant the words he wrote. I want to lynch Jay today because my read on him is faaar stronger and that will give us an extra 72 to determine grush's alignment. You have any more thoughts on him? What's your take on his interactions with Hapa for example? Don't think you've mentioned them yet. | ||
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Lazermonkey
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On January 26 2013 04:17 wherebugsgo wrote: If Jay isn't happening, I'm obviously swapping over to grush.supposing LM is town and has come to the conclusion that grush + jay are the scum it would make far more sense for his vote to be against grush, rather than with grush. | ||
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Lazermonkey
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On January 26 2013 04:12 Xatalos wrote: No, because it's diferent in his situation. He actually called Hopeless slight town independant of SlOosh alignment. Most of you guys just said that Hopeless were looking scummy but SlOosh was likelier scum. It was quite clear that they both couldn't be scum so then it makes sense to first have a town read on Hopeless but then change your mind once he actually flips SK.My read on Hopeless changed as well because he flipped SK instead of scum. It would have been very unlikely that both Sloosh and Hopeless were scum, since they were the two opposing wagons for the day. But since Sloosh flipped SK, it made much more sense for Hopeless to be scum than if Sloosh had flipped scum. What's scummy about this? It's very simple logic. Your logic is what's questionable here for not understanding the basic situation. Lol, nice catch  Surely it's grush+Jay with that, haha... Actually Jay *is* weirdly certain about grush being scum with that wording, but it could be just overconfidence in his read. I'm fairly certain grush is scum too, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that he IS scum.For Jay, I feel he just saw everyone going after Hopeless and thought that because ''everyone is using this SlOosh flipped SK argument, then why can't I?'' when it in fact doesn't make any sense to change your read in that position. | ||
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Lazermonkey
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On January 26 2013 04:27 wherebugsgo wrote: DINGDINGDING 10 Points for Mr. WBG!or rather, voting to lynch jay, as if grush gets lynched jay won't, and grush's vote will have been on jay. It banks on us assuming that grush wouldn't try to push jay as a lynch at this point. It's kind of wifomy; the question is whether scum would try to win today, or whether scum would try to win tomorrow. I think it's easier for them to try to win tomorrow if they bus today. So, perhaps jay + grush is the team after all. | ||
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Lazermonkey
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On January 26 2013 04:35 wherebugsgo wrote: I will swap votes tomorrow unless something interesting happends. Untill then I think its good if we keep up some discussion.lazer, let's lynch grush today though. I'm simply more confident that grush is scum. If grush + jay is the team then it truly doesn't matter who we try to lynch first, but I'd rather play safer. | ||
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