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iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9648 Posts
January 19 2013 19:05 GMT
#1421
You haven't really developed your other scum reads hope. Why are they scum and if hapa isn't scum who you thinking. Im really starting to think grush is scum. He ain't doing shit besides throwing retarded associations pre flip.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
January 19 2013 19:13 GMT
#1422
On January 20 2013 04:05 iamperfection wrote:
You haven't really developed your other scum reads hope. Why are they scum and if hapa isn't scum who you thinking. Im really starting to think grush is scum. He ain't doing shit besides throwing retarded associations pre flip.


You've dismissed my hapa read on the basis of withholding a roleblock. Then again, where does the framer fit into all this (I also forgot about the Framer being possible in my setup speculation)? Take away the roleblocker and comment on my case against Hapa please.

Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 19 2013 19:14 GMT
#1423
Why am I scum btw, Hopeless? I don't see where you explained that. Just process of elimination? And grush, I really want to hear why iamperfection is scum... You just throwed that thought out there without any reason.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9648 Posts
January 19 2013 19:16 GMT
#1424
On January 20 2013 04:13 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2013 04:05 iamperfection wrote:
You haven't really developed your other scum reads hope. Why are they scum and if hapa isn't scum who you thinking. Im really starting to think grush is scum. He ain't doing shit besides throwing retarded associations pre flip.


You've dismissed my hapa read on the basis of withholding a roleblock. Then again, where does the framer fit into all this (I also forgot about the Framer being possible in my setup speculation)? Take away the roleblocker and comment on my case against Hapa please.


Ok don't talk about your other reads then.

I already said I found it unlikely for hapa to be scum.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
January 19 2013 19:17 GMT
#1425
On January 20 2013 04:14 Xatalos wrote:
Why am I scum btw, Hopeless? I don't see where you explained that. Just process of elimination? And grush, I really want to hear why iamperfection is scum... You just throwed that thought out there without any reason.

No, I havent explained why, it was by elimination and its a very weak and situational read. That's why I haven't been advocating a switch onto you, only onto Lazer. You're still a scumread, but not one I'm comfortable pushing at the moment.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
January 19 2013 19:18 GMT
#1426
On January 20 2013 04:16 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2013 04:13 Hopeless1der wrote:
On January 20 2013 04:05 iamperfection wrote:
You haven't really developed your other scum reads hope. Why are they scum and if hapa isn't scum who you thinking. Im really starting to think grush is scum. He ain't doing shit besides throwing retarded associations pre flip.


You've dismissed my hapa read on the basis of withholding a roleblock. Then again, where does the framer fit into all this (I also forgot about the Framer being possible in my setup speculation)? Take away the roleblocker and comment on my case against Hapa please.


Ok don't talk about your other reads then.

I already said I found it unlikely for hapa to be scum.

You said that based on scum holding their roleblock. I've just explained how that isn't necessarily true.
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9648 Posts
January 19 2013 19:19 GMT
#1427
Xaltos isn't scum either by the way unless he was extremely clever around the time mr zenter claimed mason.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9648 Posts
January 19 2013 19:20 GMT
#1428
On January 20 2013 04:18 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2013 04:16 iamperfection wrote:
On January 20 2013 04:13 Hopeless1der wrote:
On January 20 2013 04:05 iamperfection wrote:
You haven't really developed your other scum reads hope. Why are they scum and if hapa isn't scum who you thinking. Im really starting to think grush is scum. He ain't doing shit besides throwing retarded associations pre flip.


You've dismissed my hapa read on the basis of withholding a roleblock. Then again, where does the framer fit into all this (I also forgot about the Framer being possible in my setup speculation)? Take away the roleblocker and comment on my case against Hapa please.


Ok don't talk about your other reads then.

I already said I found it unlikely for hapa to be scum.

You said that based on scum holding their roleblock. I've just explained how that isn't necessarily true.

somebody is going around roleblocking we have had 2 claims.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
January 19 2013 19:22 GMT
#1429
On January 20 2013 04:19 iamperfection wrote:
Xaltos isn't scum either by the way unless he was extremely clever around the time mr zenter claimed mason.

Can you detail your reasoning as to why that is the case? I don't see his actions being alignment indicative. He pressured Zentor for his activity dropping off and then insisted on getting the mason logs. I don't see how that is super town
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
January 19 2013 19:23 GMT
#1430
On January 20 2013 04:20 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2013 04:18 Hopeless1der wrote:
On January 20 2013 04:16 iamperfection wrote:
On January 20 2013 04:13 Hopeless1der wrote:
On January 20 2013 04:05 iamperfection wrote:
You haven't really developed your other scum reads hope. Why are they scum and if hapa isn't scum who you thinking. Im really starting to think grush is scum. He ain't doing shit besides throwing retarded associations pre flip.


You've dismissed my hapa read on the basis of withholding a roleblock. Then again, where does the framer fit into all this (I also forgot about the Framer being possible in my setup speculation)? Take away the roleblocker and comment on my case against Hapa please.


Ok don't talk about your other reads then.

I already said I found it unlikely for hapa to be scum.

You said that based on scum holding their roleblock. I've just explained how that isn't necessarily true.

somebody is going around roleblocking we have had 2 claims.

Who said scum roleblocker?
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 19 2013 19:23 GMT
#1431
On January 20 2013 04:19 iamperfection wrote:
Xaltos isn't scum either by the way unless he was extremely clever around the time mr zenter claimed mason.


What do you mean with that by the way?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 19 2013 19:26 GMT
#1432
On January 20 2013 04:17 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2013 04:14 Xatalos wrote:
Why am I scum btw, Hopeless? I don't see where you explained that. Just process of elimination? And grush, I really want to hear why iamperfection is scum... You just throwed that thought out there without any reason.

No, I havent explained why, it was by elimination and its a very weak and situational read. That's why I haven't been advocating a switch onto you, only onto Lazer. You're still a scumread, but not one I'm comfortable pushing at the moment.


Hm... There still has to be some reason besides just elimination. Or am I just the "least town" of the remaining players? What is the reason?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
iamperfection
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9648 Posts
January 19 2013 19:26 GMT
#1433
On January 20 2013 04:23 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2013 04:19 iamperfection wrote:
Xaltos isn't scum either by the way unless he was extremely clever around the time mr zenter claimed mason.


What do you mean with that by the way?

Its tough from my phone but I believe you somewhat doubted the claim and then asked for logs. As scum you would have known mr z was town.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=406168&currentpage=78#1551
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
January 19 2013 19:29 GMT
#1434
On January 20 2013 04:26 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2013 04:23 Xatalos wrote:
On January 20 2013 04:19 iamperfection wrote:
Xaltos isn't scum either by the way unless he was extremely clever around the time mr zenter claimed mason.


What do you mean with that by the way?

Its tough from my phone but I believe you somewhat doubted the claim and then asked for logs. As scum you would have known mr z was town.

His assertion is that he didn't doubt the claim because he hadn't seen it yet.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 19 2013 19:30 GMT
#1435
On January 20 2013 04:26 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2013 04:23 Xatalos wrote:
On January 20 2013 04:19 iamperfection wrote:
Xaltos isn't scum either by the way unless he was extremely clever around the time mr zenter claimed mason.


What do you mean with that by the way?

Its tough from my phone but I believe you somewhat doubted the claim and then asked for logs. As scum you would have known mr z was town.


Actually I posted that pressure for MrZentor almost at the same time as he claimed Mason. Then I asked for logs after that. I didn't actually doubt his Mason claim (it would have been suicide to fakeclaim there) but I first pressured him and after seeing his claim, asked for logs. He still hasn't given them though.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
January 19 2013 19:31 GMT
#1436
On January 20 2013 04:26 Xatalos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2013 04:17 Hopeless1der wrote:
On January 20 2013 04:14 Xatalos wrote:
Why am I scum btw, Hopeless? I don't see where you explained that. Just process of elimination? And grush, I really want to hear why iamperfection is scum... You just throwed that thought out there without any reason.

No, I havent explained why, it was by elimination and its a very weak and situational read. That's why I haven't been advocating a switch onto you, only onto Lazer. You're still a scumread, but not one I'm comfortable pushing at the moment.


Hm... There still has to be some reason besides just elimination. Or am I just the "least town" of the remaining players? What is the reason?

Yeah, I read grush bugs and lamp as town. Zentor is "confirmed". Between you and Jay, I think you are scummier. No, I have not explained why, and I'm not going to while Hapa and LM are still on the table. There's no benefit to being scatterbrained when I'm about to die, let me focus on the scumreads I'm confident in so I can actually convince people my reads are shit, either before or after the lynch.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
January 19 2013 19:32 GMT
#1437
Zentor, if you're around, can we have SOME of the logs so there's something to talk about? No one is taking me seriously, and you're "confirmed", I need you to give us something to do.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
January 19 2013 19:33 GMT
#1438
I'm out for a while.
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
January 19 2013 19:37 GMT
#1439
On January 20 2013 04:31 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2013 04:26 Xatalos wrote:
On January 20 2013 04:17 Hopeless1der wrote:
On January 20 2013 04:14 Xatalos wrote:
Why am I scum btw, Hopeless? I don't see where you explained that. Just process of elimination? And grush, I really want to hear why iamperfection is scum... You just throwed that thought out there without any reason.

No, I havent explained why, it was by elimination and its a very weak and situational read. That's why I haven't been advocating a switch onto you, only onto Lazer. You're still a scumread, but not one I'm comfortable pushing at the moment.


Hm... There still has to be some reason besides just elimination. Or am I just the "least town" of the remaining players? What is the reason?

Yeah, I read grush bugs and lamp as town. Zentor is "confirmed". Between you and Jay, I think you are scummier. No, I have not explained why, and I'm not going to while Hapa and LM are still on the table. There's no benefit to being scatterbrained when I'm about to die, let me focus on the scumreads I'm confident in so I can actually convince people my reads are shit, either before or after the lynch.


It's useless to hide your reads though since if/when you get lynched, you can't post them anymore. And posting now will be a lot more useful than right before your lynch - we can also confirm that you have those reads and you're not just going to die silently after all.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
January 19 2013 19:55 GMT
#1440
Lol is Hopeless's argument against the RB claims REALLY "what if there is a town RB"?

Here's a fact: if you are a town RB, I expect you to claim right the fuck now.

It's far likelier that scum have RB, not town. The RBs in this context make much more sense, particularly given that a confirmed SK called Xata blue. If any town RBed Xata following that then they are incredibly retarded. Hopeless is stupid for missing this in the first place, and IMO it cements the notion that he is scum.

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