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On January 15 2013 03:48 wherebugsgo wrote: I meant players in general, not just you. Right... But if I'm so hard to read, why are you so willing to lynch me? Even though you're giving Jay a free pass for the exact same reason? The more I think about, the more I'm starting to lean scum on you. | ||
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On January 15 2013 04:11 wherebugsgo wrote: because everyone in this game is like that. Also, at the very least I have several games played with jay, and so far (crosses fingers) I have not been incorrect about him. Also, from what I remember your play as town is not like this. Please elaborate. Is meta all this is about? I have played very differently between games as both town and scum though. | ||
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On January 15 2013 04:29 Promethelax wrote: wow, seriously, those are your reads? Terrible. You said that you had not read the thread while simultaneously building a case on someone who had just been cased and calling him the scummiest person in the thread. That is deeply troubling and very scummy. There is nothing you have done in this game that makes you feel like a townie. This is a big problem for me since in LVIII I had had you down as quite green thank you so very much. Your case on jay is weak and in many ways I feel the Chezinu rule applies to him. He is such a weak player that someone making him their main target (if he is town) is very likely to be scum. I agree that his sheep vote on supersoft was scummy, but that's pretty much the only thing. There are many reasons for him to be town though: - Kush's attention-grabbing entrance to the thread - Kush's overall anti-town and scummy behaviour - suicidal for any actual scum - Lazermonkey has been very active and made sense even under heavy pressure That last argument is just WIFOM as well. | ||
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On January 15 2013 04:47 Promethelax wrote: Those points you have for Kush are great. If it wasn't Kush. Did you read WC? Or any of his scum games? Many of us have while you haven't and I know you probably don't like being told you don't know what you are talking about but you have no idea what you are talking about. Kush plays that way as either alignment. LM has made sense? What does that even mean. You agree with his case on jay? You think SS is scum and Thrawn town? You deeply believe that hopeless is retarded? Please explain this. I read the beginning of Kush's filter in Witchcraft. I have to agree that Kush isn't afraid of attention as scum either. BUT there's a big difference: in Witchcraft Kush is pretty reasonable and doesn't actually play anti-town at all. At least I'm not seeing it. Here he begins the game by grabbing negative attention and setting himself up for a lynch (or at least losing sympathy points). He also keeps doing anti-town/scummy things, while in Witchcraft he keeps discussing reasonably and doesn't slip anything scummy-looking. Or can you show me wrong? I agree with Lazermonkey on Jay and Thrawn. I disagree on supersoft and Hopeless. You can read what I think of them in my filter. What I meant is that he doesn't freak out, OMGUS, dodge questions or anything like that. He is calm and makes sense even in such a bad spot. | ||
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Is Promethelax getting lynched right now? | ||
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On January 15 2013 07:07 slOosh wrote: An answer is implicit in the fact that I've dropped you to go after Prom. There's currently nothing to be gained from me interacting with you unless you have some insight into Prom that you have yet to share. Hmm. I can accept that you're focusing on Prom now, close to the lynch, but why did you totally ignore me earlier in the day after you made your case on me? Even though I responded to your case and questioned you about that? It just feels weird that you would drop any interest you had in your #1 scumread after making a new case. Were you even serious about that case on me? I think Prom has a chance of flipping scum. Not as good as Jay, or even as good as someone like Hopeless (sheeping, no commitment, weak reasoning) or WBG (sheeping, weak stances, wanting to lynch me despite saying I'm hard to read when he gave Jay a free pass for the same thing). But he's a far better lynch than Lazermonkey: - Giving up on supersoft because the wagon didn't get supported well enough (literally saying "nobody has me as town" as his reasoning) - Basing his scumread on Lazermonkey partly on exaggerating his "lie" that wasn't actually a lie - it was just something he said he'd do but failed to achieve, and nothing indicates he had a malicious intent here - Lots of opinion switches with questionable reasoning, sheeping the flow of the thread - Only targeting "easy" lynch candidates and avoiding having to actually push his reads | ||
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##Unvote jaybrundage ##Vote Promethelax Since Jay isn't happening today and there's a chance that Lazermonkey would end up lynched (despite Prom leading in votes right now). | ||
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On January 15 2013 11:03 jaybrundage wrote: So Prom got lynched. Sucks Xatalos didnt get pushed thru : ( Ruunc almost got lynched for the sheep vote rofl. I almost feel bad for the guy. He should of started playing in newbie game. If hes scum he might be able to easily get away with the im new dont vote me crap. Also if this is his first game it seems like he doesnt really care about the game just went with what ever the thread was doing. SS you stated that you were lynching for information. So Lazor Sloosh are your two big scum reads. Who do you play to lynch first? Also I dont like Grush he seems very unopinionated and just goes with what ever the thread is doing. He calls out that he thinks both of the biggest candidates are scummy. But doesnt give any reasoning or thought to why there scum. And then he arbitrarily decides on the "prom train" Again with no reasoning or thought behind it. Grush wants a mislynch so he hops right on. While at the same time not giving reasoning. And i heard about his town breadcrumb Starsenses? Plz tell me people dont actually consider this alignment indicative. Why wouldnt he just say that if hes scum this game... Thoughts? Actually you're right, grush isn't looking good so far. But why didn't you write posts like this during D1 at all? All you achieved was basically a weak counter-vote on me and nothing after that. Mostly you were either lurking or responding to my pressure, with some random slight suspicions mixed in. Also, do you want to lynch me or grush now? | ||
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On January 15 2013 23:35 Lazermonkey wrote: If Hapa is the serial killer, wouldn't it be quite bad to shoot him tonight....? For several reasons. Why would Lazermonkey, as scum, even post this? And I don't see a lie here. It's unuseful to shoot someone with KP protection. Although I still don't get it why Hapa is suddenly SK. | ||
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On the off chance that I die tonight (going to sleep after writing this), I want everyone to also look at wherebugsgo tomorrow. There are just too many things wrong with him for it to be merely poor town play. Especially considering how experienced he is. 1) Posting a lot of useless "list" posts where he just throws dirt at most of the players in the game for little to no reason. On January 13 2013 16:03 wherebugsgo wrote: super, agree/disagree: three of four Hopeless Xatalos Zentor Promethelax On January 14 2013 07:39 wherebugsgo wrote: He wasn't on my list because he didn't stand out to me on my first read, only on subsequent reads. I need to do more rereading since I really wanted to kill kush today. Tentatively I'd put Hopeless and Xatalos up there, followed by Zentor. On January 15 2013 03:37 wherebugsgo wrote: I just finished reading. Add LM to my list, I guess. I still think Xatalos needs to die, and Zentor is still missing. when you have as much confidence in the forum as I do right now, you probably wouldn't give a shit either. On January 15 2013 05:30 wherebugsgo wrote: either way if Lazer flips I'd still be interested in Xatalos, but if Lazer flips town hopeless looks much worse. On January 15 2013 11:19 wherebugsgo wrote: Hapa, thrawn, and slOosh I basically have auto-town reads on. I hope they don't turn into the sciberbias of this game. (I had an auto-town read on Prom too) Xatalos (1): jaybrundage Promethelax (7): slOosh, thrawn2112, grush57, MrZentor, Xatalos, Ruuch, Supersoft Lazermonkey (1): Promethelax Ruuch (4): Lazermonkey, wherebugsgo, Hapahauli, Hopeless1der The bolded votes are shady. Ruuch avoided a modkill/replacement by voting right before the deadline. I think that's too close to consider that coincidence. We will have to kill him at some point and there's almost no way scum will shoot him, ever. I suppose we can push him off till later, but I know the game will come down to it at some point. Jay, don't waste your vote tomorrow if you are town. If I die tonight and jay gets away without contributing much, please someone tunnel the fuck out of him. Secondly, the late votes on Prom: Ruuch's is the worst. Xatalos's is also pretty bad, considering that I never actually felt that he cared about the lynch. His argument was that he preferred Prom over Lazer. Whatever. Zentor and Grush are basically either trolls or scum, and grush's contributions this game err on the side of scum for me. In addition to all of these players we have Hopeless, who seems to be feigning reasonability to live. He doesn't seem to be very interested in finding scum, either. So, we have at least 4-5 players who I would confidently label "antitown" and not all of them can be scum. Wonderful. On January 16 2013 02:48 wherebugsgo wrote: one thing that bothers me about jay's posting is that he summarized a bunch of shit for no good reason. I looked through jubjub and if I remember correctly he did it a bit in that game as scum, but I'm not entirely sure whether he would post this much content as scum (he didn't there) Anyway, if I'm not back before deadline, and I die, for tomorrow: 1. Either force Ruuch to play the game, or kill him. 2. Keep an eye on Xatalos, grush, Hopeless, at least one of them is likely scum IMO. 3. It's fairly likely that there's a scum between the more active/towny looking players, there almost always is. Between super and slOosh, if they at any point stop making sense or lead bad lynches, or have reads that are terrible, kill them. I can't necessarily say the same about the other players since they are more likely to do stupid shit as town. If you end up having an "auto-town" read on one of these players and the game goes to lylo, and they have not been under suspicion all game, consider killing them at that point. This is what I meant about the sciberbia thing, in Yet Another Mini I had an auto-town read and occasional niggling suspicion about sciberbia but it never was fleshed out into any sort of read and I perpetually procrastinated on fully reading his posts because I didn't view them as that important. I basically didn't pay attention to him. Don't make that same mistake. 4. If there are two kills at any point in the game, strongly consider the possibility of SK. 2) Completely sheeping both his opinion and vote on Lazermonkey. On January 15 2013 03:37 wherebugsgo wrote: I just finished reading. Add LM to my list, I guess. I still think Xatalos needs to die, and Zentor is still missing. On January 15 2013 03:38 wherebugsgo wrote: ##unvote ##vote LazerMonkey 3) Willing to lynch MrZentor despite certainly knowing that this is exactly MrZentor's town meta with his experience. On January 14 2013 12:39 wherebugsgo wrote: I am completely down to kill Zentor as an alternative to Xatalos today as well. His play has seemed somehow different this game, and he seems to be inconsistent. I am more confident in Xatalos, though. 4) Being frustrated when an anti-town (lynchbait) player, Kush, gets replaced. He should be happy as town! On January 14 2013 06:17 wherebugsgo wrote: ##unvote That's annoying. I'll be back in a few hours. 5) Not showing any real seriousness or interest about the D1 lynch. On January 15 2013 03:38 wherebugsgo wrote: ##unvote ##vote LazerMonkey On January 15 2013 06:49 wherebugsgo wrote: I would very much like to last minute lynch zentor if possible. ##unvote ##vote MrZentor On January 15 2013 08:58 wherebugsgo wrote: If that were anyone else I would call that a scumclaim. So, let's treat him like anyone else LOL ##unvote ##vote Ruuch 6) Last and the least: wanting to eagerly lynch me despite me being so "hard to read", but giving Jay a 100% free pass during D1 for the same reason. A pretty contradicting approach. On January 14 2013 10:55 wherebugsgo wrote: I think xatalos is a fine lynch for today, but I need to read up on his past games to make sure that he is the best lynch. I don't agree with lynching super, so whoever is on him should probably consider moving their votes. On reread Hopeless doesn't seem that bad, just really lazy. I want him to actually do something though, or I may consider pushing him tomorrow, assuming I'm alive. Ruuch: play the game or I'll stop giving you the newbie free card. ##vote Xatalos On January 15 2013 03:41 wherebugsgo wrote: it's pretty hard to tell, given your calibre of play, whether you are stupid or scum. In fact, it's been hard for the last several games, the easiest being LVIII. | ||
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##Vote wherebugsgo @WBG: anything to say for your defense? You have posted a lot after I made my case but never even mentioned it. Why are you avoiding defending yourself and instead just diverting to an easy lynch of Hopeless? @Jay: you've been pretty lurky lately and haven't pushed your reads at any point in the game. Why are you not scum? @Hopeless: why were you apathetic just because "nobody was talking to you"? As town, you should be proactive. Scum are reactive. That's an extremely reactive way of thinking. @Sloosh: your play hasn't been looking good lately. Lurking the night, then going for the easiest possible wagon when pressured. Not to mention going for me with a big case D1 but forgetting about it soon after - did you just see it wasn't going anywhere and jumped off the ship? | ||
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On January 16 2013 20:17 Lazermonkey wrote: I'm wary of lynching Hopeless. I think his play this game is VERY similar to his play last game. I tunneled the shit out of him that game for stuff that are very much alike to this game. He didn't really push scum reads, he seemed very uninterested in the D1 lynch(both canidates were town), etc. Needless to say, he was town. I'm not actually very confident in lynching Hopeless. Filter: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=373946&user=123725 Hopeless is definitely not our best lynch. He may have a reasonable chance of flipping scum, but there's nothing particularly damning about him. Then again, if you look at WBG's usual strong town play and his seriously sheepish and subtly suspicion-spreading attitude this game, he must be scum. On January 16 2013 17:28 jaybrundage wrote: Sloosh looks like scum to me. He makes a a case on Hopeless1der. But its mostly just a test case to see if WBG is scummy. When WBG starts putting pressure on him he OMGUS's but ends up backing off and saying lets just lynch Hopeless1der instead. I agree that Hopeless hasn't contributed much at all this game and that he does look scummy. But the fact that Sloosh wants to vote for hopeless seems really suspect to me. Why would scum vote for there partner when there are other lynch candidates today. He could of picked out of alot of different people like grush lazer. It doesn't make any sense that he would pick someone that would be his partner. It feels like Sloosh is taking the easy way out. He didnt feel confident to try to lych town WBG so he backs off and decided to go for Hopeless again. @Xatalos Its called doing shit man you should try it. Also did you not read my grush case i still feel he's scum. But as of yet there has been no support for lynching him and he has yet to post anything much since then. Don't think I have forgotten you. While your posting hasn't sucked as much dick as did before. Doesn't mean I dont think your not scum. ##Vote SloOsh It feels like your posting is getting a bit better as time goes on. At least you're actually posting reads now... Still, your Day 1 play was pretty damn scummy. You avoided giving actual reads for most of the day, then OMGUS-voted me and avoided doing anything about the actual lynch candidates after that. There's really nothing you can do about that now, so even though your latest posts are a change for the better, it doesn't remove how Day 1 played out. | ||
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On January 17 2013 01:25 wherebugsgo wrote: Supposing you're town, hopeless: Would you be down to lynch slOosh? For the record I'd be willing to lynch into any of slOosh/LM/grush/Zentor, my priority being that order. Don't you have anything to say about the several reasons for you to be scum? And for the record, when and why did your scumread on me disappear? | ||
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On January 17 2013 01:45 wherebugsgo wrote: nope, there are no reasons to call me scum. This is the last time I'll address this: it's not worth my time to reply to things like this. Read Ver's guide. Lol, are you saying all those scummy things you did are no reason to call you scum? Yet you've sheeped on several players (LM, Hopeless) with no reasoning and called them scum? There's a gaping hole in logic here somewhere. | ||
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On January 17 2013 01:44 MrZentor wrote: ##unvote ##vote slOosh Gogogogogo Why have you been inactive for a long time (basically since the D1 lynch) and now just come by to drop a vote?  This isn't the MrZentor I know. Please be more active. | ||
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