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Ah wait. Sorry, now i see. You're scum. Lol i already had you on my list.
Thank you. And fuck you scum.
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what i dont understand... "supersoft is trying to get vets lynched"...
Do you consider Zentor and SloOsh as vets?
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On January 14 2013 07:04 MrZentor wrote:
I was joking.
That is all I wanted to hear. Thank you.
On January 14 2013 07:05 supersoft wrote:
Who do you think you are, to vote for me?
Seriously who do you think you are?
anti-town? my play? What the fuck?
Its nice of you to continue to be anti-town in response to me. I think I am a me and that is damn good enough to vote your sorry ass. Good of you to freak out at me though.
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Sloosh is in fact a vet, yes.
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I would also add that you are slinging a lot of shit onto Hapa while calling him a townie. Although he may not yet be a vet he is one of the strongest town players to have come out of TL in the last six months. He has many times single handedly carried his town to victory against all odds and with terrible towns so your shit slinging on him is both unwarranted and anti-town. If you read him as scum that would be one thing but your play has been to detract from his ability, not to suggest he is scum.
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On January 13 2013 15:08 Hapahauli wrote:Oooh, thread blew up while I was gone =O @ MrZI don't think it's good to give Kush a town read based on the 180. If it was another player, I'd agree with you, but Kush is some who doesn't mind the spotlight at-all as scum. I don't know what to think of him yet, and I'm going to wait until I see his scumhunting before I make a judgement. @ SupersoftHave you looked into MrZ's meta at all? Because those early-game town reads are super-normal for him. Also, please reply to my previous post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955¤tpage=6#119Regarding XatalosHis interaction with MrZ regarding Kush looks super-duper sketchy. He's balls-out convinced that Kush's 180 was scummy, then backs down to a "townish" read when confronted by MrZ. That, and he's been soft-defending a few players early in the game. His soft-defense of supersoft in particular reads as very forced: Show nested quote +On January 13 2013 11:30 Xatalos wrote:On January 13 2013 11:16 thrawn2112 wrote:
my thoughts on the grush/hopeless thing have almost been reset to null for the following reason:
-the reasoning hopeless gave for thinking grush is scum is pretty close to my own reasoning. if I HAD to pick out one of them as scum right now, it'd probably be hopeless
##unvote
Apart from a few specifics in the ongoing grush/hopeless stuff, by biggest concern so far is super.
A lot of his accusations and scumhunting techniques seemed fake/ineffective and he was obsessing over things that do not matter at all. He never actually came to any conclusions based on his questioning, and he seemed to disappear from the thread as activity was starting to pick up.
What are you saying? You agree with hopeless so he's more scummy than grush whom you think is scummy with the same reasons as hopeless? Yeah, supersoft's focus on a single smilie was very overdone. But I think he looked pretty convinced about the matter. Why was it fake? Maybe he just wanted to pressure and get a reaction? I'm generally hesitant about him given that I mislynched him in British Mini Mafia for his "wishy-washiness," but his filter doesn't look very good right now.
Well, you already removed your first argument, so how did that affect your scumread on me? And I already explained that "soft defense" (stating a simple point about his probable intentions) in my previous post. How did that affect your read? I'm actually surprised how weak this reasoning is for your #1 scumread. Is that all there is to it?
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On January 14 2013 06:59 Promethelax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2013 23:36 MrZentor wrote:On January 13 2013 14:28 Xatalos wrote:
Actually (@Jay) you haven't done anything meaningful after accusing Kushm4sta as scummy for his anti-town entrance. You have a lot of fluff in your filter, though. But that's actually worse than having nothing in its place. MrZentor keeps saying you're town for your spamminess, but that's not too hard for Mafia with some experience and knowledge to fake. All you have to do to keep MrZentor off you is to post something a lot, no matter how thought-out it is. I'm on the border of voting you right now based on this very early game alone. Prove me wrong. Start by scumhunting. I've specifically stated several times that I don't have a town read based on how much he posts; my town read on him is based on the aggressiveness of his posts and the motives behind them. I've even gone into detail more than once on my read on him. Please read more carefully. On January 13 2013 15:08 Hapahauli wrote:Oooh, thread blew up while I was gone =O @ MrZI don't think it's good to give Kush a town read based on the 180. If it was another player, I'd agree with you, but Kush is some who doesn't mind the spotlight at-all as scum. I don't know what to think of him yet, and I'm going to wait until I see his scumhunting before I make a judgement. @ SupersoftHave you looked into MrZ's meta at all? Because those early-game town reads are super-normal for him. Also, please reply to my previous post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955¤tpage=6#119Regarding XatalosHis interaction with MrZ regarding Kush looks super-duper sketchy. He's balls-out convinced that Kush's 180 was scummy, then backs down to a "townish" read when confronted by MrZ. That, and he's been soft-defending a few players early in the game. His soft-defense of supersoft in particular reads as very forced: On January 13 2013 11:30 Xatalos wrote:On January 13 2013 11:16 thrawn2112 wrote:
my thoughts on the grush/hopeless thing have almost been reset to null for the following reason:
-the reasoning hopeless gave for thinking grush is scum is pretty close to my own reasoning. if I HAD to pick out one of them as scum right now, it'd probably be hopeless
##unvote
Apart from a few specifics in the ongoing grush/hopeless stuff, by biggest concern so far is super.
A lot of his accusations and scumhunting techniques seemed fake/ineffective and he was obsessing over things that do not matter at all. He never actually came to any conclusions based on his questioning, and he seemed to disappear from the thread as activity was starting to pick up.
What are you saying? You agree with hopeless so he's more scummy than grush whom you think is scummy with the same reasons as hopeless? Yeah, supersoft's focus on a single smilie was very overdone. But I think he looked pretty convinced about the matter. Why was it fake? Maybe he just wanted to pressure and get a reaction? I'm generally hesitant about him given that I mislynched him in British Mini Mafia for his "wishy-washiness," but his filter doesn't look very good right now. I actually have a null read one Kush. I was simply pointing out Xatalos's terrible logic and misuse of Occam's Razor. On January 13 2013 20:09 Promethelax wrote:
Lol at bugs, I'm scum because I was at work when the game started.
Is there some unspoken rule about us not asking grush to give us his town breadcrumb? Because that is all I want from him right now.
For those of you who haven't played with Kush assume he is similar to chezinu but without either the class or the ability to find scum. He is a troll who will troll all game long but it
Isn't too hard to get a read on. I would like to hear both Hapa and thrawn's opinions of Kush. They know how to read him, as do I.
Super, are you town?
Zentor, can I expect you to be useful This game or should I put you into the troll column?
Jay, what's your read of zentor?
Slopsh, opinions on anyone who doesn't have a million point scrabble name.
I've already been mildly helpful, so I don't know why you would ask that question, unless you hadn't really read the thread and just wanted to make it look like you were doing something. Well Zentor, I don't disagree that you have been helpful but I remember you saying at the end of British (which I only followed somewhat peripherally) that you didn't want to have to play like a good townie who contributes ever again. I was trying to get some confirmation that this was not true and that you were indeed going to do your best to play a good game instead of trolling. Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 04:46 supersoft wrote:
we're like 20 hours into the game and am no magician. Thrawn said it all about sloosh in the thread.
I think this no more evidence against anyone else. Sloosh is the scummiest, his Xatolos-case is weak and doesnt convince me at all.
His attempt to connect me to xatulos is really bad and calling my reads and my actions bullshit obviously shows, that he has a really strange mindset if he's town. SloOsh's points on you super are exactly why I am reluctant to vote him, he has accurately expressed the thought I have with your play. It is useless bullshit. While his case was weak it had some merit, even though I won't be voting X today. It had some merit means that he clearly was trying to actively push his lynch and, based on the post Bugs pulled up regarding his interaction with Hapa, was clearly involved with the thread while present. Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 04:33 thrawn2112 wrote:
attention thread, do not be dissuaded by wbg's attempts to avoid scumhunting by means of derailing the conversation by being an asshole. he's scum. Attention Thrawn. Bugs is actually an asshole. I don't think he is scum based on his play yet and I don't plan on voting him today. Bugs, please answer my question. Was your four person list something you, yourself, believe or believed? Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 02:22 thrawn2112 wrote:
thrawn's current lynch list = sloosh/hopeless/prom What has Supersoft done to get off that list? His play thus far has been incredibly anti-town. He posted a huge list full of nothing (seriously has reads based on if people will call themselves town) and is trying to get vets lynched day one. Something he said he would never do as town. Along with that Super has gotten ultra defensive when Sloosh called his posting bullshit and he has continued to fling shit around the thread. I find SS scummiest and plan on voting him today. In fact ##Vote: Supersoft
My four person thing was just my first impression upon reading the thread. All four of those names seemed to be playing differently to what I expected (some of them still are)
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Okay, just wanted to be sure. I just don't understand where the necessary town read comes in for other players specifically SS but also interestingly Kush. (On the nature of Kush the dude hilariously was smurfing in a newbie game concurrently with playing in this game).
SS has now disappeared after asking who I am to vote him and not managing to give any reasonable explanation for his ply. My vote is staying very happily where it is. SS is scum and should swing.
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Meh, I ended up playing a game of HoN instead of reading the thread Lol. Anyway, supersoft is playing the scummiest at the moment. No actual scum hunting at all, just grasping at insane straws
On January 13 2013 09:15 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2013 09:11 jaybrundage wrote:On January 13 2013 09:07 supersoft wrote:On January 13 2013 09:06 jaybrundage wrote:On January 13 2013 09:02 supersoft wrote:On January 13 2013 09:01 jaybrundage wrote:On January 13 2013 08:49 kushm4sta wrote:Wow I was going to try hard this game but then prome said what he said now I have to play like shit just to spite him. ~~~ On January 13 2013 07:08 Dandel Ion wrote:If Kush goes retard in this game I'll just modkill him  I'll have no qualms about that. Define full retard.
I will not play illegally that is all I can promise. The way your entering the thread is terrible your setting the town up for failure. Its hard enough to play mafia when people are trying there best. If your gonna play like shit and it make it intentionally hard to read you I have no problem lynching you. You looking scummy as it is. You can step it up, Or get lynched your call. are you town? Yes :o Why do you post this smilie? what was your intention behind it. Do you think it's funny? I want you to say: I am town. Brah im town K? I don't know that. But I am trying to figure it out. If you're town, you should help me with that. Your job as a tonwie is: 1. establish that you're town 2. find scum If I am scum, it doesn't matter if you explain me the smilie because i already know what you are. If I am town, it may help me to figure your alignment out. If you're town, you - as stated above - want me to know your alignment If you're scum, you don't thus you dodge my attempts to figure you out. Right now you're dodging. On January 13 2013 12:00 supersoft wrote:Show nested quote +On January 13 2013 09:40 MrZentor wrote:On January 13 2013 09:37 grush57 wrote:MR ZENTOROn January 13 2013 09:09 grush57 wrote:On January 13 2013 09:07 MrZentor wrote:
Super, Jay is town. -.- How do you know he is town? I can read Jay well. We're cousins. i don't buy it. You're scum. worst read ever. I'll vote Zentor though. Also, his vote on sloosh is screaming OMGUS out loud. slOosh
calls my stuff BS, hides behind common opinions --
bad case on easy xatalos -
really bad reasoning accusing me --- I don't see any of these reasons to be scum tells at all.
Other than that, his filter is filled with jokes and ALOT of non commital posts where he is basically saying,'' ow, this play is so strange and anti-town, and it may or may not mean that you are scum''
##Vote: supersoft
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I'm willing to give super a day or so to prove he's town, I'm just wary of lynching him today. Nothing he has done so far is particularly bothering me.
As for kush, I don't feel comfortable lynching someone who was just replaced. It's unfortunate if he actually was scum, but I think the replacement should get some time to establish himself as well.
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But I think SS is town. 
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On January 14 2013 07:33 wherebugsgo wrote:
I'm willing to give super a day or so to prove he's town, I'm just wary of lynching him today. Nothing he has done so far is particularly bothering me.
As for kush, I don't feel comfortable lynching someone who was just replaced. It's unfortunate if he actually was scum, but I think the replacement should get some time to establish himself as well.
We do it like that:
I will leave defending me completely to you wbg.
if he fails to defend me and I die, you better lynch him tomorrow.
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But Bugs, Kush was not on your list while he was still in the game and before he got modkilled for cheating newbie games. Why not? And if not either of SS/LM who do you want to lynch now?
Zentor, please explain your town read on super.
Lazer, I assume you started writing that before I posted my suspicions on Super. True or false? Who is your next highest scum read and why?
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On January 14 2013 07:33 MrZentor wrote:But I think SS is town. Why? Looking through your filter I see that you are calling out SS for alot of stuff that is strange(though, you don't call him scum). But why do you think he is TOWN and not null?
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He wasn't on my list because he didn't stand out to me on my first read, only on subsequent reads.
I need to do more rereading since I really wanted to kill kush today. Tentatively I'd put Hopeless and Xatalos up there, followed by Zentor.
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@Prom: I agree with your points. I don't really have any good reads yet besides SS.
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SS laughed at my joke, therefore he's town.
It's simple, foolproof logic.
WBG, you never explained this post.
On January 14 2013 04:56 wherebugsgo wrote:Two things. Show nested quote +On January 13 2013 15:28 slOosh wrote:On January 13 2013 15:08 Hapahauli wrote:
Regarding Xatalos
His interaction with MrZ regarding Kush looks super-duper sketchy. He's balls-out convinced that Kush's 180 was scummy, then backs down to a "townish" read when confronted by MrZ.
I think the post you are thinking of is directed at kush (based on the next post in his filter). Do you think a scum sloosh would bother to point this out/have this conversation? About kush: do you notice what I noticed between these two posts? Show nested quote +On January 13 2013 14:01 kushm4sta wrote:On January 13 2013 13:59 MrZentor wrote:On January 13 2013 13:51 jaybrundage wrote:On January 13 2013 13:25 MrZentor wrote:On January 13 2013 13:22 jaybrundage wrote:
Rofllllllll. MrZentor.... this guy is fucking hilarious. Ill let you do you. Cousins lol.
On regards to the Zentor pressure. I would check the past game British Mafia.
He had a town read on me early he had town reads on most people. But it was weird he was convinced i was town. Then as we played more i realized that i was getting to understand his play more and had a town read on him.
But when he helped mislynch two townies my read flipped and i thought that he must be scum cause he was so positive of his town read on me and it freaked me out. He hard defended me the whole time just cause he had a good read on me being town. So I wanted to lynch him cause i thought he was scum for knowing my role. But as it turned out he was town made me change my read with some good logical thinking and then found the two remaining scum. MVP of that game for sure (I helped)
So although its kinda weird for him to have a town read on me this early if you look at last game it gives some perspective. Also why would Zentor hard defend a townie as scum. It doesnt make any sense. However if we have town Zentor defending someone he has a strong town read on then it makes sense.
Those two townie lynches were definitely Hapa's fault.... Hapa didnt even vote in the first one T_T Need i quote "HAMMER HIM HAMMER HIM" Yamato, the scum, was going to hammer him, regardless of whether I encouraged him or not.
Actually, Xatalos, I think Occam's Razor says he's town. It doesn't make sense for scum to act like that; it's most probable that he's town. That's the simplest solution, Occam's Razor. What do you think of that? second person you defended without cause to. back on my scum list. ATM i woudl lynch. Show nested quote +On January 14 2013 03:53 kushm4sta wrote:
wbg that sounds like d1 of every town game i play.
i sheep a lot and throw my vote around a lot.
I need to reread or look at filters before I can have anything useful to say honestly.
And what you noticed between those two points; it's not as relevant now, but I think it may still be important.
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kush was actively lurking, look at the timestamps.
Basically he did nothing between when he posted that first post until I called him out. He apparently had a scumread on you; he could have tried to explain it, vote you, get more information, do whatever, but he simply afked.
He was clearly watching and reading the thread, because as soon as I made that accusation and votepost he delurked and made a defense of himself.
Also notable is the fact that he said he was going to reread filters and whatnot but came back 8 minutes with absolutely nothing new; just a revote on you. It didn't even seem like he reread anything at all.
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Bugs, what does SS's attempt to lay his defense at your feet mean? I know you two have a history so any insight you have would be greatly appreciated.
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