EPT@kush, I wasn't asking you to call hapa scum, I was asking you to see whether or not you were just blowing smoke. You say you saw fallacious arguments. Please elaborate.
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
@kush, I wasn't asking you to call hapa scum, I was asking you to see whether or not you were just blowing smoke. You say you saw fallacious arguments. Please elaborate. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On January 13 2013 15:28 slOosh wrote: I think the post you are thinking of is directed at kush (based on the next post in his filter). Do you think a scum sloosh would bother to point this out/have this conversation? About kush: do you notice what I noticed between these two posts? On January 13 2013 14:01 kushm4sta wrote: second person you defended without cause to. back on my scum list. ATM i woudl lynch. On January 14 2013 03:53 kushm4sta wrote: wbg that sounds like d1 of every town game i play. i sheep a lot and throw my vote around a lot. I need to reread or look at filters before I can have anything useful to say honestly. | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
Is that it? Not very convincing.. | ||
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grush57
Korea (South)2582 Posts
u scum brohan? | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
On January 14 2013 05:04 MrZentor wrote: As town he throws his vote around a lot, but this game he hasn't? Is that it? Not very convincing.. Nope. Try again. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
He says he would lynch me and then later admits to not having anything useful to say? | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
Because Kush decided to play newbie games instead. <3 | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
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Lazermonkey
Sweden2176 Posts
We are halfway through D1, righty? When is deadline exactly? | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
Hey Lazer! I think we're about 24 hours until the end of Day 1. Try to catch up quick now | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
That's annoying. I'll be back in a few hours. | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
On January 14 2013 06:26 MrZentor wrote: Annoyed that your mislynch left? :p hahahaha | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
On January 13 2013 23:36 MrZentor wrote: I've specifically stated several times that I don't have a town read based on how much he posts; my town read on him is based on the aggressiveness of his posts and the motives behind them. I've even gone into detail more than once on my read on him. Please read more carefully. I actually have a null read one Kush. I was simply pointing out Xatalos's terrible logic and misuse of Occam's Razor. I've already been mildly helpful, so I don't know why you would ask that question, unless you hadn't really read the thread and just wanted to make it look like you were doing something. Well Zentor, I don't disagree that you have been helpful but I remember you saying at the end of British (which I only followed somewhat peripherally) that you didn't want to have to play like a good townie who contributes ever again. I was trying to get some confirmation that this was not true and that you were indeed going to do your best to play a good game instead of trolling. On January 14 2013 04:46 supersoft wrote: we're like 20 hours into the game and am no magician. Thrawn said it all about sloosh in the thread. I think this no more evidence against anyone else. Sloosh is the scummiest, his Xatolos-case is weak and doesnt convince me at all. His attempt to connect me to xatulos is really bad and calling my reads and my actions bullshit obviously shows, that he has a really strange mindset if he's town. SloOsh's points on you super are exactly why I am reluctant to vote him, he has accurately expressed the thought I have with your play. It is useless bullshit. While his case was weak it had some merit, even though I won't be voting X today. It had some merit means that he clearly was trying to actively push his lynch and, based on the post Bugs pulled up regarding his interaction with Hapa, was clearly involved with the thread while present. On January 14 2013 04:33 thrawn2112 wrote: attention thread, do not be dissuaded by wbg's attempts to avoid scumhunting by means of derailing the conversation by being an asshole. he's scum. Attention Thrawn. Bugs is actually an asshole. I don't think he is scum based on his play yet and I don't plan on voting him today. Bugs, please answer my question. Was your four person list something you, yourself, believe or believed? On January 14 2013 02:22 thrawn2112 wrote: thrawn's current lynch list = sloosh/hopeless/prom What has Supersoft done to get off that list? His play thus far has been incredibly anti-town. He posted a huge list full of nothing (seriously has reads based on if people will call themselves town) and is trying to get vets lynched day one. Something he said he would never do as town. Along with that Super has gotten ultra defensive when Sloosh called his posting bullshit and he has continued to fling shit around the thread. I find SS scummiest and plan on voting him today. In fact ##Vote: Supersoft | ||
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Xatalos
Finland9675 Posts
On January 13 2013 15:18 slOosh wrote: The Xatalos case Xatalos doesn't actually scumhunt. He asks strings of pointless questions, and brings up things and then doesn't provide any conclusions. What is the purpose behind this post? First, it doesn't even make sense. Not being able to imagine scum playing like that has nothing to do with an excuse to play anti-town. Perhaps he thinks kush is town and wants him to shape up? Well then why does he contradict himself when he called out jay for doing the exact same thing? Even the way he does it is strange. It doesn't directly say, 'hey jay is making out things that aren't there, jay is scummy for doing so'. It's more of an invitation for people to consider jay scummy without actually calling him scummy. Here is a really awkward defense of supersoft. A totally unjustified soft defense of someone who hasn't done anything to deserve it. Stands in stark contrast to finding jay's post 'too aggressive for his taste'. This is the first time some pressure is applied on him. How does he handle it? It is a totally apologetic tone, mixed in with some appeasement (which contrasts to him "calling out jay" later on, even though nothing has really changed, not to mention that he doesn't mention at all jay's posts on supersoft, or supersoft's scummy second entrance). Scum apologize and make themselves seem smaller than they are (cf Ver's guide). ##Vote: Xatalos 1) False. You cherry-picked some general posts from my filter (everyone has those) and conveniently didn't mention any of those where I scumhunted or provided conclusions from my "pointless" (really?) questions. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955¤tpage=8#150 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955¤tpage=14#272 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955¤tpage=14#280 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955¤tpage=15#287 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=392955¤tpage=15#291 2) Kush is basically "too scummy to be scum". There's the lingering doubt in my mind that this is his risky meta-strategy, but when we use Occam's razor, the simplest solution = he genuinely doesn't care what town thinks about him. One might say that's a fake attitude, but it's hard to fake (it goes against basic Mafia survival instincts) and most of all it's very risky (usually controversial and scummy players get lynched after all). With that out of the way, yeah, I think Kush is town. I had a moment of serious reconsideration after he quickly jumped off MrZentor and sheeped the popular opinions, but in the end, that's also a blatantly scummy thing to do. So it goes with the common theme of Kush not really caring how scummy he looks. (haha, looks also like Kush got replaced, I hope this means less anti-town play at least...) You're right in that post questioning his playstyle being pretty useless though. I just typed it on a whim and didn't really consider if it would change anything or not. I don't actually understand what you mean with that contradiction. Please elaborate on that. 3) I wasn't completely certain if his post was scummy or not while typing that. I thought it worthwhile to put forth pressure in any case, making him potentially falter and scumslip. Nothing as exciting as that happened, though. But I did start to push harder after that. 4) Seriously, are you suggesting a Xatalos/supersoft connection based around me simply stating the fact that most likely supersoft was just trying to bait scumslips with his weird pressure? That's a really weak reason for thinking supersoft is scum. And I disagree, supersoft's insistent pressure was definitely a townish move. You can't say he "hadn't done anything to deserve defense" when he had clearly participated in pressure and was trying to get something out of Jay. 5) Once again, I know it's a scummy trait to be hesitant with reads, but after suffering from tunneling in my first two town games, I learned the hard way: everyone is innocent until proven guilty. No need to rush with exaggerated reads and confirmation bias, or scum will just have a field day while everyone is stubbornly accusing their personal suspect. Pressure and analysis is very important, but blind faith in your own reads and refusal to think of counter-arguments to yourself will leave you fooled and unable to see even the most obvious truth. | ||
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MrZentor
United States1648 Posts
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supersoft
Germany3729 Posts
Seriously who do you think you are? anti-town? my play? What the fuck? | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
Hopeless1der (1): grush57 Xatalos (1): slOosh slOosh (1): supersoft supersoft (2): Hopeless1der, Promethelax wherebugsgo (1): thrawn2112 Not Voting (7): Hapahauli, Lazermonkey, jaybrundage, Xatalos, Ruuch, MrZentor, wherebugsgo Currently, supersoft is set to be lynched! ~26 hours left until the deadline. PM me or Cheese if I counted something incorrectly. | ||
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